THE ANGER OF FERRUS MANUS! THE LEGACY OF ISSTVAN! 

Didn't Horus express regret that Ferrus had to die because no other primarch knew all the ends and outs of war as well as Ferrus? Look at Meduson, a mere space marine was responsible for killing millions of traitors and slowing the traitors race to Terra and his traps nearly killed a primarch.

Ferris being a head taller than everyone else just seems like a cruel joke

Ferrus at Isstvan: "My first instinct is to attack the traitors with a cold, calculated, logical plan" Also Ferrus: "Unfortunately, its overshadowed by all this UNYIELDING RAGE!!!"

Vulcan, Ferruis and Corax had absolutely no clue how deep the betrayal went

Really he stands "a head" taller than any of his brothers? I think that might be a little too on the nose but it may also just be an Easter egg from the author

Vulcan is on record for saying he might be the strongest primarch ... now that Ferrus is dead. That should make it clear, that Ferrus was potentially the strongest among the primarchs, definitely on par with Vulcan.

I wish that he would return as commander of the legion of the damned, or some other kind of imperial saint (deamon). One of the best primarch, wounded and outraged by his beloved brother betray, this is what killed him, love, not stupidity.

Ferrus : The risk I took was calculated, but boy am I bad at math.

The Iron Hands have a rage so hot that they burn the humanity within them. The Iron Hands have brought an anger and hatred that will destroy anything they considered as an enemy or as a weakness within themselves. The death of Gorgon haunts his sons to very day similar to their cousins of Blood Angels and their Primarch, but their curse is from within and without.

He really lost his head for a moment at Isstvan.

This is what people don't understand about the Iron Hands. They have a lot of rage, but its chained by iron discipline, and directed by cold logic. If you combine the three you get a devastating machine powered by rage, structured by discipline, and directed by logic. At Isstvan the rage exploded and broke down that machine. They are an expression of guilt. Ferrus' guilt that Fulgrim thought he could be turned traitor. The Legion's guilt that they failed the Emperor and couldn't stop Horus. The guilt of the surviving Iron Hands who failed to defend their father. The Iron Hands have been blaming their own rage as a failure for the next 10,000 years and it is only in the last 300 years that Kardan Stronos and Maalkan Feirros have started to return to Ferrus' original philosophy of rage, discipline, and logic working in concert.

Ferris was one of my favorite Primarchs and was hoping he would have at least wounded fulgrim and deminish his "perfect" features. I hope he comes back with the others in the future.

Ferrus Manus returning as head Primarch of the Legion of the Damned would be amazing.

The Word Bearers being sent as "reenforcment" always seems odd to me. Oh no! some the the Astartes have rebelled. Hey, I know, send the ones the Emperor himself had punished to fight them.

If I could have two primarchs be rewritten, it would 100% be Ferrus and Fulgrim. They're not even the worst written, they just had the most lost potential.

Great video, I don’t like how the Iron Hands and Ferrus are so under written in the Lore. I hope you make more videos of both in the future.

He was most closely related to Angron when it came to temperament; thankfully he was not also subject to the Butcher's Nails... Physically, Ferrus was similar to Vulkan, though I am 100% certain that bit in the Fulgrim novel is incorrect; though it could just be the way Fulgrim viewed Ferrus at the time as they were very close. Vulkan was, in fact, the largest of them. Alpharius and Magnus possessed numerous ways to appear different sizes, but in their true forms, Vulkan was larger than all of them. Horus said to his remembrancers that he believed he would have won the war with Ferrus, and was always disappointed in Fulgrim for how that exchange went. Although an argument could be made that the weapon, not Fulgrim, was ultimately responsible for how it ended. Both were at a standstill, and the demon in the weapon moved almost involuntarily; the sacrifice of a Primarch is what freed the demon bound within the blade and left the weapon empty thereafter.

It may not have been he's anger but his faith in his son's and brothers that lead him to face Fulgrim. The Iron Tenth stubborn known for winning when others would fail how could ten thousand veterans of he's legion fail. The true legacy of Isstvan is the slow fall into madness that the Iron hands have endured for then thousands years with the need to replace human weakness. Ferrus was going to try and stop that after Isstvan IIRC.

The element of surprise requires a quick and concise attack. Waiting for reinforcements in orbit only allows the traitor forces more time to prepare. As far as his final push; the reinforcements had arrived and the battle seemed won. Pushing forward to kill at least one traitor primarch to ensure he wouldn't escape is logical. By ancient battlefield standards the majority of casualties are taken during retreat, when an army is broken. He made the right calls with the info he had.

Ferrus WAS a head taller than his brothers, but he isn't now.

Primarch size seems to vary somewhat due to the many authors involved in the Warhammer franchise as well as the fact that the HH series has been going on for what, 20 years?

Iron Hands really do need more spotlight time

I feel Ferrus is easily the most underrated primarch. In part because of his "sloppy" attack on Isstvan. Where he was mostly as ragedriven as he was, to avenge the percieved insult of Fulgrim to his honour/pride. I believe had he bot been confronted by Fulgrims betrayel he wouldn't have been as undercut as he was.

Ferrus gets slept on alot but that's because he died early in the Heresy and hope we see more Great Crusade stuff with him and others who didn't get the love during the Heresy.

I actually think that a certain big headed arch magos that’s had the remaining research into primarch project for 10,000 years may or may not be trying to resurrect or clone his own primarch

Iron hands content!!!!

The Novel Fulgrim, could be the finest HH novel. It was written so well, I felt the rage, the betrayal, and the death....

Ferrus is in my top 3 favs. Because I imagine more of him than we have been given.

Imagine a khorne worshipping ferrus..

Remembre they dropped something close to a nuke on Vulkan. If Ferrus had regrouped with his brothers there's a good chance his not-a-perpetual self would have died in that moment.

3:57 I guess Vulkan is the CURRENT tallest primarch as Ferrus is no longer ... "A head" of the competition

If theyd made a last stand, would probably be 2 dead primarchs, not 3. Remember that vulcan cannot die by conventional means

Excellent video and kudos for such a good production.

If there was ever a live action series, I would make it a point to flesh out Ferrus a bit more as a character. To really make us feel the weight of his loss.

Let's not forget that the Iron on is arm mess with is head (if I remember correctly, it's a Necron metal or something like that). Love this Primarch, it great to have the book on him of the Primarch series. Still hoping to see a return of him in the current lore, a prefect copy of him made by Fabius.

So sad seeing him die so fast, and we got almost nothing of him to see even in all the other books so far. But still the duel with Fulgrim was epic and heartbreaking.

I just wish ferrus and the iron hands got more love

Like father like son, Shadraak let’s his temper overwhelm him to his ultimate demise. I think that’s y the iron hands shun emotion

Ferrus was a sucker and it shows from the start. He took less than 3 Legions against 5? Standard doctrine is attackers outnumber defenders 3:1. Defenders are usually dug is, know the terrain, etc. Going off the assumption that he had 4 more legions of reinforcements a *few hours* away, is still a stupid reason to attack, period. Horus was widely regarded as the best tactician, to assume that he didn't have a strong defense in place? Seriously? And on top of this your plan is a frontal attack? Come on, this entire situation stinks, your reinforcements include a Legion that has already been humiliated, 1 that is known for their duplicity, 1 that is basically a bunch of hopped up murderers and psychopaths. How in the world does any of this sound like a sane or even solid plan? At no point during the attack does he stop to think, "this is going a bit too well", of the legions he is facing is any one of them in particular less well trained, or equipped or dangerous? Or is his ego so incredibly large he just thinks that I am so cool no one can stand against my genius frontal attack? TLDR Ferrus deserves all the crap he gets and more so.

I do not think Ferrus Manus was in the wrong. The only tragedy of this is he did not know their reinforcements were traitors. Ferrus may be angry, and thirsting for vengeance and I can relate. But given the knowledge of Angron and Curz being traitors as well his logic would have prevailed in all three surviving the event had they also known they wouldn't win this conflict.

Still of the hope that he could be the 1st and only DreadMarch. ,(Primarch Dreadnaught).

Authors do FM no favors. Why assume the reinforcements aren’t traitors when facing Horus or at least be more careful. Where was the void fight? 4 legions on planet, where are their fleets?

None of the heavy strategic hitters were on Istvaan. Just how facking Horus planned it.

Loosing Ferrus that early in the Heresy was a huge loss to not only the loyalist but also his legion. I feel like if he has survived we would've seen some epic moments of him handing the traitors some serious ass whooping. Remember, Horus spoke very highly of Ferrus's ability at war. So we never got to see how much of what Horus spoke of was true.

What I would be curious about is how his Chapter currently remembers and recounts that period of time in their own lore. I want to see more of the Iron Hands in 40K in the current "Indomitus Era" and what they are doing in the Imperium Nihilus - especially how they are taking the pronouncement of Dante as Lord Regent there over that whole half of the galaxy.

Anyone else think that ferrus could be one of the imortal primarchs bearing in mind gorgans were predominantly imortal even though medusa was killed her head still had power and the reason his enemies seperated his body when he fell was to stop him rising, and maybe the artifacts guilliman keeps sending groups into the eye of terror for are the Gorgon's.

Ferrus: Meets Vulcan. Ferrus: Invents the Rubicon Primaris

Ferrus wasn't blind, no. He was a logical thinker and commander. He saw reinforcements coming and took the initiative to keep the traitors occupied. He loved Fulgrim very much. I couldn't imagine having to be in that position and not become filled with rage.

It is straight up bad writing that Corax didn't pause for a moment and think through the possibilities.

Just found out that his name translates to "Iron Hand", "Ferrous" meaning Iron and "Manus" refers to the hand or wrist

Angron takes offense to Ferrus’ rage. He is the one and only rage-monster…

Magnus was the Tallest Primarch, followed by Ferrus and then Vulkan. Magnus being the tallest only because he can use the same Biomancy warp magic that the emperor can, thus make himself be perceived as the gigant cyclopean.

Back a long time ago, I really didn't like Ferrus and his Sons... then I decided to make a homebrew 26th Founding Chapter of Iron Hands descent and read the few times he appeared in novels of the Heresy... and I think he's my second favorite Primarch after Russ. I'm so sad the Gorgon fell so early in the Heresy :(

The problem is that him as a hero/ "the good guy" blindly chasing Fulcrim is just as pantomime as the movie villain who elaborates/ monologues on his scheme/ plan/ plot. You'd expect a genetically engineered super- tactian to notice that and act accordingly.

I to really like Ferrus Manus. I am under the impression that the Gorgon was such a huge threat that the whole point of Istavaan V was to disable or kill the Iron Hands and Vulcan and Corax were just bonuses. There are several characters that unnecessarily catch a bad rap and are overly simplified. I think people like to say the most obvious direct thing about characters to act like they know about them.

Will Dante for example go to each of the Chapter homeworlds in the IH like Medusa and tell them to build worlds worthy of the Emperor? WIll what he is doing on Baal be replicated across the Imperium Nihilus? Shining beacons in the vast darkness...

By having Ferrus pushing further. The ambush on Istvan failed and gave the loyalist legion room to manuver out of the killbox and hijack the ships so they could leav Istvan 5. If they all fell back , it would have been even more cramped and the killbox would have been way more effektiv, i think perturabo planned it. But ferrus died, corax fled and vulkan was missing,(taken hostage). Remaining loyalists went to deliverence, mcragge, or continued to fight against the deathguards and calas typhus where jaghatai khan found them.

He was the first Forgeworld model I got and his hammerswing pose is just perfect. Can you imagine getting hit by Forgebreaker swung by Ferrus Manus?

You are definitely right about Vulkan being the tallest primarch, that seems standard in all other material

Have we had a glorious Manus Week yet?

I think that Ferrus was equal in size and strength to Vulkan. Namely because most primarchs seemed to have a physical size and strength as well as tactical analogue to themselves. We see a physical similarity with Mortarion and Fulgrim with great height, but also thin figure for a primarch. We don't see a similar build to Vulkan with most any other primarch so I am guessing that Ferrus Manus would be that one.

we all get mad - the key is..: dont lose your head 😏

I loved the novel FULGRIM,lovely to the point I read it to destruction TWICE,I'm now on my third copy.

There needs to be another novel that covers Istvaan 5 better. Istvaan 3 is. Just saying.

"And just a side-note here. Ferrus is described as being a head taller than his brothers" Oh well... :P

Ten companies of Iron Hands veterans with Ferrus would be around 10k marines including heavy armor etc. One big question thats been nagging me is, what happened to the other 100k or so iron hands? We know a bunch more that arrived behind ferrus at Istvaan V got ambushed by the traitors, but what about the others? Even if 50k got ambushed that would leave another 40 to 50k unaccounted for. Where were the rest of them during the Scouring?

Been waiting so long for another Ferrus Manus video. I absolutely enjoy anything you do on him and other primarchs.

Fulgrim wouldnt have beaten him without the demon ensorcelled blade.

damn, I feel exactly the same about Ferrus. Was truly devastated reading Fulgrim. Iron Hands have strange allure for me, as I am appreciator of working with metal, hi-tech and curious about bionic technologies.

He may have stood a head taller, but he is most certainly a head shorter now.

I recently watched a video that was an overview of the whole dropsite massacre and it put a lot of things in perspective about the flawed tactics of Ferrus/Loyalists. First nobody on the loyalist side thought it was suspicious that the traitors declared themselves as such and decided to just hold up on an unimportant world with no fleet in sight which should have thrown up huge red flags. Why would Horus not have a fleet in the system? Why would he declare himself in opposition to the imperium and strand himself on a planet? Second, going in to face them at all before reinforcements could arrive was significantly strategically unsound. Not only is it HORUS but there were multiple Primarchs on the surface and to engage them without every single advantage on your side is to give them the advantage and risk devastation. They should not have gone to the surface with total assurance that their allies were right beside them and not "On the way". Again these are Primarchs and Astartes and to underestimate is utter idiocy. Thirdly, the loyalist inability to "worse case scenario" the Traitors situation doomed them greatly. Angron and Mortarion were understandable in going traitor but once Horus and Fulgrim fell than the loyalist should have been more suspicious of legions like The Nights lords or word bearers. Maybe not the Iron Warriors or Alpha legion were too obvious but the capacity for more duplicity should have been seriously considered before engaging the traitors. Horus would never pick a fight he couldn't win and he wouldn't fight 7 whole legions if he didn't have a plan to deal with them. At should have been obvious from this information to three genius primarchs that Horus had more up his sleeve than a simple siege in mind. They were walking into a death trap and it was obvious if you thought about it long enough. The best case scenerio in my mind is to probably quarantine the planet/system, find the traitor fleet, destroy it, and siege horus from orbit. Worst case scenerio exterminatus the planet.

Betrayal is Betrayal Was Ferris rash and emotional towards the end? Yes. Would it have changed him dying or how he died if he wasn't? Probably. But it wouldn't change his defeat. The issue with betrayal is that no matter what your tactics or planning, unless you have information of betrayal you will more than likely succumb to it. Knowledge is power and betrayal is typically an unknown that you may not even conceive to plan around. Waiting or not, the 3 loyalist we're outnumbered and had lost once the trap was sprung. Lastly... Rho! You have a soft spot for Manus?!?!? 🤣🤣🤣 You have a soft spot for every loyalist Primarch. 😂 . You said that like you hold some type of disdain for any loyalist Primarch at all. You're funny. Lol!

The best Primarch!

Grahm Mcneil is one of the worst writers in the gw stable. It's always hard to even talk about stuff he has written. Ferrus Manus has very little about him that stands out. He made far less influence on his home planet, then his brothers did. Seemed to focus on his own accomplishments. Kind of like a humble-bragging Fulgrim. The fight on Isstvan was a disaster in the making. Not count their backup being traitors as well. You have Vulkan who had one of the smallest legions. Corax. Who had is troops Goth out in closets. Before, and after every fight. And Ferrus. Who only brought a small portion of his legion. 2 small forces and the goth boys decide they are going to attack potential traitor primarchs and their legions. Without backup. Which is close enough to arrive in time to see them getting their collective butts stomped. I can imagine their meeting right before attacking. "What's our situation?" "Our combined forces are much smaller than our opponents." "They have prepared ground." "If we wait a bit." "We will have backup." "Or we can charge in now, like idiots." "I'm in favor of idiocy." "We agree with this plan."

You're correct. A cold hard logic requires a level of intensity. Ferrus falling back ensures everyone dies. Fulgrim either dies or becomes apparent he's a demon as well. If he fell back no loyalist gets off Isstavan. His selfish choice, was only selfish in the fact he was going to finish the game and not let the relief pitcher do it. Which ironically would have tanked the game. His desire to settle the score with his beother ensures 1 gets off planet, and the other is captured.

on your point of if they had re-joined we probably would of had three dead Primark's I have to make a correction it would have maybe left two dead Primark's & a captured Vulcan because of his perpetual nature

It's odd that nobody ever considers that a unified last stand by Ferrus, Corax and Vulcan could have very easily crippled the traitor legions. Certainly in hindsight, the three legions were all but ruined by Isstvan regardless so they should have made the traitors pay a far higher price for the victory. I understand that people are inclined to argue that Corax did the right thing by preserving himself but certainly the more noble option would have been to cripple the heresy and die a hero. Honestly, matyr Ferrus seems far more plausible than vengeance Ferrus.

Wait a sec... I'm getting the feeling you might like the space wolf's. just maybe...

I would return to 40k if Ferrus Manus was somehow still alive. Maybe in a Dreadnaught?

Heck... Even I wanted to strangle Fulgrim at that point and I'm not even his brother only a person reading a story.

Corax may be the most submissive, in terms of command of all his brothers. He was the one that considered relinquishing his command of the raven guard. He was the one most likely to give field command to one of his more tactical brothers. Had he been replaced by someone else - The lion, Dorn or Guilliman. They would most likely have rejected Ferrus hasty decision to attack, and the heresy could have had a completely different trajectory.

everytime ive read about ferrus in the heresy, they portrayed him as very martially weak primarch compared to fulgrim. they made fulgrim severely outclass him in every encounter, very sad

Ferrus believed it would be 7 against 4 in his favour. Rule one, expect the unexpected.

Even if he didn't charge in. Horus would've made sure that ferrus wouldn't leave that planet alive. He considered the iron tenth to have been critical factor in his insurrection if he was able to turn him.

The Iron Hands story is the saddest of all the loyalists. I wish there was a IH successor chapter that followed the ideological lineage of Ferrus and Shadrack instead of everyone JUST going for the "flesh is weak".

He was not strong enough to defeat fate no matter which part he played in the story his emotions overcame him and it caused his death whether it would have been here or somewhere else. The tale of him is the irony of becoming more machine than man and had he been more machine he probably was not as emotions get better but he's human get it ? It's an old story logic over emotion , will he return?

Babe wake up Wolf Lord Rho is talking about Ferrus Manus again

I like Ferrus as a character but his Legion is made up of some "marines malevolent" level dbags

I've been a sub for long enough that you have a soft spot for anything related to 40k you wholesome son of a gun

He went into the fight with unknown variables landing on his ass. Horus was known for being the most charismatic of the bunch, it would have been a safe bet that he had more friends who hadn't revealed themselves. All the brothers knew how much Angron hated the Emperor, and they still for whatever reason never assumed he would turn. It's naivete on a grand scale, in my opinion. I wouldn't have trusted any of the brothers till an in person meeting was had. It just seems foolish to be literally engaging traitors, and assuming the guys you're relying upon aren't a part of the problem.

And now his legion are some of the most batshit crazy marines of all the loyalists.

Dude you sound like Limmy when hes imitating americans

They should've waited for Lion.

Vulcan is the biggest as in bulky-est. Magnus was always the tallest.

Great video as alwayz brother 🩸🤘🏻

You might say he got ahead of himself when he let his anger get the better of him

Worst Primarch Of All Time.

Ferrus made an overall sound tactical disposition in the Battle of Istvan 5. He was undone by two factors; believing utterly in the Loyalty of the other 4 legions and Underestimating Horus. If the 4 next legions had stayed Loyal, the powerful frontal assault would have won the day. But he might have guessed, that Horus could have foreseen such a situation. A brilliant general might have reasoned out, that a general of Horus's skill would not have played the battle the way he did without a secret ace. And that is Ferrus's only real military mistake.

*softly sobbing* t-the flesh is.. weak...

Alright, time's up, let's do this...