Reminds me of a little thing I said when some guy said "Dot on the Spot" and I thought it sounded like the Cat in the Hat going to the dermatologist: Cat in The Hat, I'll keep this secret, just within these walls, But your zits are so plentiful, they go down to your b-
The Lorax isn't anti-tree. There was just nothing left for him to do but let the people find out for themselves what happens when you chop down all the trees.
Ted’s mom calling herself Mrs Wiggins despite having no husband would seem to imply she’s a widow. It’s possible that she divorced O’Hare, remarried and then her second husband died, all while Ted was very young. If Bernice suspects O’Hare had her second husband killed, then her fear of him makes a lot of sense. It would also make sense why she doesn’t seem to have any interest in finding a partner during the film. Husband #2 may have spoken out against O’Hare, or simply made him jealous, but either way he’s gone and no one is eager to bring him up.
I would assume, but it’s confusing why she kept her maiden name if she still wants to honour a dead husband with the “Mrs” title and we see no sign of an honoured husband
@@TheTheorizer Maybe he took her name? Or she didn’t want to change her name after changing it to O’Hare and then right back to Wiggins It’s also possible the norms of martial name changing are different in world of the movie, as all of the Onceler’s family members are also Oncelers regardless of gender. The lack of pictures of the late husband could also be to avoid Ted asking questions about him and finding out the truth.
@@TheTheorizer i assumed he lived far away (i assume there are more trees just not truffula trees elsewhere) and wouldn't let her divorce him but she wasn't to mad about it as he still liked disco.(i have no idea how devorce works)
I'm starting to think yall missed the message of "fuck around and find out" that the lorax was actually trying to give. He's not the villain, just out of options
Exactly what I was thinking. Edit; And funny enough, it reminds me of the Old Testament's basic plot. God tells humanity not to do something, they do it anyways... and instead of stopping them, God just lets humanity "fuck around and find out" time and time again... with some ultimate salvation promised in the end, of course.
UNLESS The Lorax is the Oncellers Father as well. A cursed Family Tree DOOMED to repeat the same mistakes over and over. This makes the Lorax a True Evil.
It's called Tough Love. This is what it actually looks like. No one involved are happy and it sucks for everyone but it's how you learn the important lessons so you don't do it again.
Guys…you’re not meant to take theories too seriously as it’s just for fun 😅 you’re probably right but there’s no need to be so smug and unfun about it😬
The Theorizer is what MatPat would’ve become if he continued to do FNAF theories and truly went insane Thing is, The Theorizer makes it make sense and true, which is horrifying
No the therorizer is the version of matpat that manages to actually convince people he's insane. I'm still not fully convinced... mostly because he makes sense... most of the time
Matpat’s theories are awful-AND mostly wrong. If you knew ANYTHING about FNaF, you’d KNOW MatPat went off the rails after Scott said he was right-ONCE with MatPat’s FNaF 2 theory back in 2014~15. 🤦♂️
I think the most hilarious part of this all to me is that the writers might have really added some nasty divorce subtext without much thought, but the insane way you connect everything to craft a narrative that explodes in the wildest ways. Thank goodness you dedicate this power to make fictional entertainment based on fiction already. I dread to think what harm you could cause with real conspiracies XD
If the Lorax is a 385000000 year old being that regulates a universe, he may be a different breed of Katie. All Dr. Seuss creatures could be different species of Katie.
I think the 385 million years ago thing was a reference to the Carboniferous era which is when trees became widespread on Earth. The Lorax is as old as the trees themselves.
The Lorax let it happen. The Lorax let it grow. The song isn't talking about the tree, it's talking about the lesson that needed to be learned. Let the lesson grow.
To add to your theory, it now makes sense why the Once-Ler can live in his big house outside of town while still surviving, O’Hare’s been secretly supplying him air, it also explained why The Once-Ler didn’t just immediately plant the seed, because he had been working with O’Hare, he also probably wasn’t allowed back in town and he couldn’t have planted the seed where he lives, it also makes the Oncer-Ler look less stupid because no matter what, the trees would’ve died, The Lorax was controlling him the whole time, it also explained how no one died due to lack of air, if everyone was dead there’d be no lesson to teach, The Lorax made sure to keep them all alive It’s incredible how this theory explains basically every plot hole in the movie
Something I'm wondering: Could Thneedville be related to the town from the Cat in the Hat? Both are absurd, contain question logic and house design, among other things.
@@the_expidition427 Is he though? If he simply fixed up the forest, the people in the story would've learned nothing and get reduced to square one... but the route he instead took in the movie, according to the video, directly led to not only the forest getting restored eventually but the people *learning* not to destroy it. I mean, sometimes it's better to let an idiot learn the hard way via malicious compliance then to fix their mistake for them and let it repeat, after all.
@@Sharkgobrrrr you know the story of horton hears a who and the grinch where they all live on different specs? I bet all of the doctor suess stories take place on some spec multiverse of something along those lines
1:42 this little furry critter looks too clean for a nature spirit, the fur doesn’t shag or bear moss, there are no antlers or horns resembling branches or photosynthesizing stems, there are no sharp claws, scent gland holes, or any other grotesque feature, no uncomfortably familiar looking humanoid face, no nothing to make him embody the everything that is life! Too clean too trimmed like an oak at the park or a palm by the roadside in a big dull city! He shoulda been a muntjac fellow!
I seriously cannot believe that all these years later you are still uncovering mind-boggling reality-shifting hidden truths behind the freaking animated Lorax movie from 2012
Quote on the back of the Lorax "This film is about Heritage, Nature, and Lessons to Humanity. Its about growing Prosperity for the next generation and undoing the sins of ones ancestors." The Theorizer
I want someone to make a princess mononoke crossover just to make the deer spirit judge the Lorax & rid of him. Something or someone to be “nature finding a way” incarnate.
I love these kinds of theories where it all turns out to be a messed up family story, with the character all being connected in some way. And it makes too much sense, too
A friendgroup of mine has this really elaborate injoke comparing The Lorax to that of the story of the garden of eden, was pleasantly surprised to see this theory really nicely complement that. EDIT: OKAY, seeing other people share this exact sentiment was eye-opening and it made me want to directly state what brought about biblical lorax becoming an injoke, that being a specific part in Biggering, where the Lorax states that the Onceler’s real problem isn’t greed, but *pride*. “But you know, you really can't blame greed No, that's stupid You see, it's gotta worm inside Oh yeah, that's right It's one that always needs to feed and it is never satisfied You get it? But the more you try to find it The more it likes to hide Now listen, that is a nasty, little worm And I like to call it pride” the personification of pride as a small, legless, crawling animal set off a lightbulb and the next thing we knew we were jokingly talking about how this was an elaborate metaphor for the snake in the garden of eden. This is an incredibly loose point made mostly in jest but the thought of this stupid injoke actually being mentioned in a theorizer video was enough of a motivator for me to type this all up.
Maybe O'Hare was influenced by the Lorax in some way, like, maybe the Lorax disguised himself as a human or hell even presented himself as a magical creature, except omitting the parts where he fights for nature and all that, and offered O'Hare the seeds so he could produce his air, that way he influenced everything from behind the scenes.
While i agree with the family connections, the fact O'hare got a seed from the lorax though im not so sure. In an extended version of the theme song at the top of the movie, where the town is praising how perfect their town is, O'hare himself says a very particular line: "I sell them something they can get for free" Now, the reason this line was left in the extended version of the song but not the one in the movie is anyones guess. It could be an old plotline they scrapped. However, it DOES support the idea that life isnt as far gone as its said to be. Or he could be referring to tge fact the onceler still has a seed that he only knows about because he maybe got one of 2 seeds from the Onceler
The way it's presented has always implied to me that air isn't gone. The air may be thin, stale, or otherwise unpleasant, so people are willing to buy fresh air. However, it's not like everyone is taking constant hits of the canned air to stay standing. Either he's passively providing some amount of air as a public service, or it's still otherwise naturally present from SOMEWHERE for free.
See I really was wondering the whole movie why the onceler never just planted the seed, I mean I know it's supposed to be that the soil was ruined, but that can't be true do to the onceler still being able to be alive and BREATHING! The whole movie was full of these hidden details just WAITING for someone like you (The Theorizer) to retell this story in the true, yet dark way. It's always a good day when you upload!
I always assumed o'hair just got the air elsewhere. All the animals went away so they probably went somewhere. Also, the more convincing evidence, the onceler found the trufula trees through traveling. That means that there's other places without trufula trees, and that means other ways of getting oxygen. The onceler also had an axe before he knew about trufula trees, so theres other types of trees that would still exist.
My mom’s most frequently asked question about Nightmare Before Christmas always was ‘why didn’t Santa use that power before Oogey Boogey nearly killed him?’ What does that have to do with this theory? Well the first words I thought of when she asked that was ‘THAT’S NOT HOW IT WORKS!’ Just like the Lorax says about his own powers. I wonder if Santa was trying to teach that same lesson to Halloween town by LETTING IT ALL HAPPEN?
I don’t think that Mr. O’Hare is a byproduct of The Lorax, i think he might be the Lorax. Hear me out, shortly after the Lorax leaves, we see a young Mr. O’Hare. Shortly After Mr. O’Hare is thrown out of thneedsville, the Lorax return. He might be the Lorax in a different form. This would make the Lorax Ted’s dad.
You know the movie could avoid avoided if they just you know planted more trees after they chopped them down. That's how the logging industry works.They don't go just chopping down trees and then leaving For the next forest they regrow trees
Have you ever watched the adult cartoon "Happy Tree Friends?" I know it’s a weird thing to bring up considering it’s unrelated to the topic of this video, but I feel the show has some good theory potential. I don’t want to spoil anything in the series, but just as an example the show has a lot of strange inconsistencies that I see as too purposeful to be just continuity mistakes. Also, the series is based around seemingly cute and cuddly characters that have demented sides to their personality, which is a trend I’ve noticed with a lot of your theory topics. (i.e. Mort, Katie, Gary the Snail, Scrat, etc.)
0:12 Well it’s an illuminations production of course he wanted it all to die of course he’s selling out for Honda, cuz he ain’t the Lorax he’s a poser ass!
Alright, here goes: So this whole thing could be seen as a metaphor for the Bible. The most obvious comparison would be Ted being Jesus, saving the town from a hellish, artificial world and starting to plant trees. This would also make the Lorax God. He descends from the sky, protects the animals, is played by Danny Devito, and, if your theory is correct, destroyed the trees and wilderness, perhaps similar to the flooding of Earth in Genesis. These two comparisons also fit together quite nicely, as if the Lorax is O’Hare, or created O’Hare, and O’Hare is Ted’s father, that would make the metaphorical God the father of the metaphorical Jesus, just like the Bible. That leaves a couple of options for the Once-ler, the best fitting being Adam and Granny Norma being Eve. This works best if you consider that Granny Norma was the Thneed woman, the first one who truly used the Thneed, the object which later led to the destruction of all the trees, perhaps how like Eve was the first to take a bite out of the forbidden fruit, which led to her and Adam being expelled from the Garden of Eden. That would therefore make the Once-ler’s father: the Lorax, just as God created Adam. Edit: I think I changed my mind about The Lorax being The Onceler’s father. The main reason for this is, why? What point would the Lorax have to have a son who was destined to destroy the trees? You could argue that the Lorax did so in order to display the dangers of destroying the trees for everyone else. But that would rely on the assumption that there are others who would want to destroy all the trees. It also involves an unhealthy dose of cyclical reasoning. The Lorax has a son to destroy trees…so he can make sure no one destroys the trees. If Mr. Riser can make it work, awesome, but I’m calling the last part of my theory wrong. (I still believe everything else I talked about though.)
damn that's good, to add more, since Jesus is God that would make Ted, O'hare and the Lorax be the same form of something which forms a trinity, i believe in that world God exists which would make it perfect i need the theorizer to make something out of these comparisons also i don't know much about christianity so if i say nonsnse tell me
@@tincan357 you’ve actually got a good point about the trinity, but I don’t think Ted is the third member, I think it might be Audrey. Mr. Riser did make a theory way back when, in which he claimed that Audrey is the Lorax, so you can find all the evidence for it there. That doesn’t quite line up with Ted being Jesus, given that Jesus is part of the trinity, but I think it’s an interesting extension. Good idea.
@12:48-13:13 FACTS!!! Consequences are the best/only teacher. Gotta hit rock bottom. I used to be an "activist". Then I realized some things about ppl & myself. Now I just focus on my own integrity & whats in my direct control, & "let" ppl learn the hard way. 🤷🏾
Bro his voice sound much deeper. Unfortunately a slight plot hole in all this. The reason Ohare doesn't want the trees is because trees make fresh air for free. His whole business is selling purified air, even advertised as such. Mechanical air purifiers are a thing and Ohare seems to be a nerdy tech guy so he more likely invented air purifiers.
I always figured O'Hare gets the air from somewhere far off. After all the animal are going somewhere in the flashback so its not like all the trees are gone, only the ones in that area are. So its less that the air is being "created" and more like its being imported
the theorizers pfp makes me think they are like a member of anonymous and if I don't believe them they gonna send me a virus that makes my computer explode. Youve convinced me before the vid started
Hlariously enough, earlier this week in class we watched the lorax and I had the exact same thought of "what if granny norma was the thneed girl?", so seeing somebody actually look into this is seriously making this an enjoyable episode.
I just realized something. When Ted goes to plant the seed, we see the whole town is concrete. There’s no exposed soil to prevent trees from growing. That’s O’Hares doing. So if someone dies, where are they buried? Outside of town? O’Hare doesn’t let anyone go outside of town and no one goes there anyways. So where do the bodies go? Also how is the onceler still alive after all this time without any fresh air? There’s no trees or plants alive near his house
I think the Lorax is probably Cy the O’Hare Delivery Guy. The flashbacks seem to imply that O’Hare is just another Onceler style capitalist who started out innocent but was corrupted by money and power. Audrey is too young, for her to be the Lorax, he would have had to decided to become a lost child and hope to be adopted, or possibly dispose of an actual child and replace her, which seems harsh considering that he was opposed to drowning the Onceler. Cy has no backstory and would have been an adult when the town was incorporated. He is the first townsperson to say that the trees are worth a chance at the climax of the movie, actually calls O’Hare a “greedy dirtbag” and he has the exact same mustache as the Lorax. As a delivery man he can enter every house in town and monitor the people. He could have been the one to tell Audrey about the trees and he could have “found” a seed for O’Hare back in the day and given it away, pretending he didn’t understand its worth. I suppose he could also be Audrey’s father who raised her with an understanding of nature, but I can’t prove that, only suspect it from her Lorax colored hair and knowledge that trees produce oxygen. Audrey being effectively half fay would also explain why the tree she helped plant grew so well and produced so many more trees. She literally has nature magic. Another point in favor of the Lorax visiting everyone and subtly promoting trees to them is that literally everyone in town except O’Hare is so excited about gardening that they sing about it, including Marie who is only 3 but would really like to see a tree. Why? Most people irl are indifferent to adding a new thing to their town, and 3 year olds are usually uninterested in things that will not benefit them in the next 10 minutes. I suppose Marie could be Audrey’s sister since she does stand with Audrey and Cy during O’Hare’s part in “Let it Grow” and has no definitive parents. Also despite her young age she is on key and rhymes her verse perfectly. Her hair is more strawberry blonde than orange but it could darken with age and she has blue eyes and an upturned nose like the Lorax. None of that proves she isn’t fully human, but the only other child who has a solo in this movie is Westley who has the shorter non rhyming line “I just went swimming and now I glow.” Considering that he can actually swim without floaties, he is probably much older than 3, yet has a much simpler part. Suspicious.
Trees are more violent than you know. They share resources between their root systems and if a tree is weak, the other trees withhold nutrients. Anyone who speaks for the trees must be equally pragmatic. 🤫
I would believe this if The Lorax wasn't a garbage movie made by a soulless corporation for the sake of profit and nothing else. The idea that they would put any thought whatsoever into the plot is hilarious.
The Disco might also be a reference to the band Panic! At The Disco. Ted's main outfit is modeled after a famous outfit the lead singer, Brendon Urie wore in the 2000's. And the Onceler is based off of the original songwriter and guitarist (and lead vocalist for the second album) Ryan Ross. Just search his name with the Onceler, and you'll see the proof. The band had a pretty talked-about split, so it's fair to assume some of the staff got crazy with it.
This video (and by extension, the entire channel) are a testament to the importance of paying attention to the small details when writing/making a story. Intentional or not, these small details can completely recontextualize everything, or more importantly, completely dismantle the story you thought you were trying to tell.
