The Asajj Ventress Retcon - My Thoughts 

Somehow Ventress returned!

the Crosshair and Assajj ship name is.. Asshair.

Weird how so many people in Star Wars die and don’t stay that way 😂😂🤣

NO ONE'S EVER REALLY GONE

Feels like we are just getting things we liked dangled in our face "Y-you guys like this.. right..?"

I love how she was in this new episode. She's emotionally leveled out but still has that hard edge she's known for. You can tell she's grown a lot as a person since Dooku betrayed her.

I think the bigger underlying problem here is Disney said all their forms of media will align with canon after destroying legends. Also they just keep undermining the impact death has on a story

I love Ventress but I’m losing track of the number of force users still alive after the so-called “purge”!

I LOVE Ventress! I will continue to be amazed by her character up until the day Disney inevitably ruins her.

I'm totally down for this cause Quinlan is confirmed alive in the Kenobi show, so it opens up the possibility of us seeing an emotional reunion. Disney aren't smart enough to make this work, but I can only hope.

They posted an article earlier on Star Wars official site that "how she survived will be explained in future content". Which basically means they have no idea and they'll figure it out later. They just want to try and capitalize on another fan favorite character and don't give a shit about putting any thought to it.

ngl I'm more afraid they will ruin another character I actually liked

I will always love Ahsoka Tano no matter what as a female Star Wars character. Though I will agree at the idea that Asaji Ventress is a much more badass lady in her own right throughout the Star Wars universe. I like how unhinged, morally complex and chaotic she is as a character.

This shit really became a Fast and Furious with a SW skin, hasn't it?

These Star Wars Characters are being turned into Hollow Versions of themselves.

i really think she came back when order 66 happened and Quinlan survived. kind of like the crow. she has unfinished business. something to attend to before she can rest with her sisters.

I do not think they've retconned the ENTIRETY of the book, just the death of Asajj Ventress. Everything else in that book is still staying "sub-canon" (I'll explain!) for now and remain events for those characters, and they become "official canon" when they are brought into animation or live-action. Dark Disciple is one of my favorite books and I love everything about it. I have ALWAYS said a good story needs to have three core elements: romance, drama, and action. And that book has all three. I for one am SUPER HAPPY to see Asajj and I am 99% we will see Quinlan Vos again. I am also 85% sure that Asajj and Quinlan will probably get their own spin off animated series after TBB, quite possibly taking Omega as their ward (adoptee). I am ALSO about 65% sure that their story will tie into the formation of the Path --- mentioned now in Obi-wan Kenobi and in the JEDI video game series --- and might even serve as the catalyst for the inevitable debut of a live-action Cal Kestis and Merrin, who now have a ward of their own in Kata Akuna. Both Cameron Monaghan and Tina Ivlev are live-action actors with a tons of credits in TV, film, and even stage acting. You just don't do that without a reason! In George's mind, Nia's 100% right... nothing in the books or comics have EVER BEEN canon even before the Disney purchase. Everything else is what I call "sub-canon", which is to say it is canon until it's brought into animation or live-action to become official canon and then it may be tweaked a bit but they basically keep it all the same. Everything in Legends/EU is "non-canon", which means basically don't expect it to be brought into canon "as is". Soooo... Canon = animation or live-action films or TV shows. (And Disney does claim only the JEDI series as official canon.) Sub-canon = official comics and books. Non-canon = unofficial comics and books (alternate universes).

I'm a fan of Legends and the EU, which I prefer over Disney's canon. Those stories and Episodes I-VI are all that matter to me. But as I said, I'm a fan of the EU, so I'm used to growing up with stories, loving them, and then having the rug ripped out from underneath me, and those stories being retconned and/or discarded like the never mattered.

I thought I saw something about Dave saying that her return was not going to retcon the book, and that it would be explained. I feel like we just need to be patient and it will be explained properly how she has returned.

As someone whose fav character next to Anakin is Asajj….. I couldn’t agree more….. I’ve gotten over being pissed about bringing her back from Dark Disciple…… to now wanting ALL WE CAN get from Asajj for years to come

It's not a retcon. When she was laid to rest, her body glowed green. At the end of the episode, she says she still has a few lives left. She was resurrected with nightsister magic.

I'm glad you brought up the Katie Lucas aspect, but I disagree in that retconning it doesn't matter. That ending for Ventress was George's ending for her, even having his daughter write it. Retconning anything George did doesn't sit well for me. And yes, George says that, but this book is different. It's literally cancelled clone wars episodes he worked on turned into a book because it was cancelled. So this book does count as George's canon. As for the end of the book, it was not ambiguous months pass between ventress's death and submersion in the pool (dark disciple chapter 40) her body is placed in stasis as one would for funeral, not resuccetation vos returns her to the pool she was reborn in so "her sisters don't have to wait any longer" ventress is submerged in the sleepers of lake, mist, not her body, rises from the pool with voices of the nightsisters saying sister vos reaches out to her "one last time" last paragraph (after the submersion) "Kenobi's eyes widened. He heard it too, now, the whispers of women's voices. The Force had reclaimed Dathomir's wayward child, and as Vos reached out in it to send to women he loved a final farewell, he thought he could make out a single word: sister. Asajj Ventress, at last, had come home." People can be happy to see her again, (I was in the moment). But it's still a retcon, and a retcon of george's ending for the character at that.

Great Video! I'm Personally Very Glad She's Back. I personally haven't read Dark Disciple, But I know that She had a Very Meaningful Death and that it meant a lot to a lot of People, But When She Said "I still have a few lives left" In The Episode, It made Me believe that it was Nightsister Magick that Saved Her, Which In My Opinion, Would be a Great Explanation for how She Survived, And to Bring Back Such A Great Character that Everyone Loves. Plus like George Lucas and Dave Filoni have said, Movies and Shows are Always more Important than Books.

For someone like me that doesn't really read the books, I'm all for her being here. If it wasn't for this channel I'd never known she was dead. At the end though she does say I have more lives left so maybe it's a witch thing and she has more than one life in her soul or something. Idk taking a shot in the dark

Lucas Film officially stated that this NOT a retcon! They have said multiple times that Dark Disciple is still canon and all will be explained in time.

"Somehow... Ventress Returned."

Jaina Solo, Darth Zannah, Tenel Ka clear Talon and Assajj

I am always hesitant these days with Star Wars, especially when they start reviving character SO I will say that I am cautiously optimistic about Asajj coming back. You reminded me that she has an amazing story arc and deserves more screen/story time. She is video game worthy.

With the right writing ,the right director and the right choreography Asajj could be an amazing stand alone movie or show that redeems star wars. Not possible under the current leadership though.

I like it that they brought her back. She was awesome in Clone Wars.

I personally never read the dark disciple book so I’m ok with her returning. However if they give her a similar ending but switch out the murderer (Vader/Palps) that would be an ending most would be satisfied with I think. 🙂

Man i'm so excited to see her back , my all time favorite character. Ventress has so much story is ridiculous, please keep her character going into the new shows and movies! Please and thank you!

i respect your opinion theory, i agree asajj is a very interesting and in-depth character they should have fleshed out a little more in the shows, games, books, etc. where i disagree is retconning and putting her in after she “died.” i feel like all these characters “dying” then coming back cheapens death for characters in the universe. it makes me feel like no character is going to die going forward. there’s almost no stakes because they can bring them back. i really wish they would just create new compelling characters that would breathe new life into this franchise. also if they choose to kill off a character keep them dead. i used to really love star wars but disney has managed to practically destroy that love i had for that and marvel. i love your videos man! good luck with theory sabers and all future endeavors! i’ll be here cheering you on and checking your new videos and shows. godspeed!

the book still exists. who cares what people say is canon or not just read it and enjoy and i hope, againt all hope, they do her right in the new stuff

I love this guys videos. When I don't understand something I come to this amazing channel!

The scripts were written for the remainder 8 Ventress episodes depicted into Dark Disciple. Christie Golden was also heavily involved in the Novel as well as Katie Lucas

Asajj Ventress is one of my all time favourite characters. I’m glad we get to see more of her badassery.

From my point of view, since I never read the books and other media outside the shows and movies, she was never dead to begin with.

Theory....what is the pattern here? With Disney Star wars. Ray, palpatine, in some ways Reva, Sabine, even Asoka. Now Asaj. They have all come back from the dead. In some ways other then that. I would say it's a good thing, she was written out good and even in the Bad Batch I thought was the perfect BadAssery Dave has done. In my opinion. Always a great video

idk man, I think Merrin is cooler but they're both badass. Now that Ventress is alive, it'd be kinda cool to see her and Merrin meet

I'M SO HAPPY! ASSAJJ spinoff confirmed today by Jennifer Corbett. She's been so despised by Jedi, Sith, everyone.... her story arc towers over all others and will tie into so many other arcs....Baylan, Nightsisters, training Amega....

George himself said that if anything in the tv shows or movies want to retcon stuff from the books, then it is okay because the shows and movies will always supersede any of the other material

Great article review Coach!💕🐻

The term is "edge". Asajj Ventress is the edgier flip side to Ahsoka. In many ways their stores purposely paralleled each other. Both alented female Force users on opposite sides of the Clone Wars. Both betrayed by their superiors. Both chose to walk away and seek a new life. I think it was said somewhere that her appearance in TBB is still in allingment with the Dark Disciple story. Could they have been straight up lying to us? Absolutely. However, I think her line in the episode that she still has some lives left is a nod to the idea that the events of DArk Disciple happened but she somehow came back to life. Somehow Ventress returned. I would really hate if they totally retconed DD because it really was a lovely story.

I never read the books so she has always still been alive in my eyes

Did anyone else notice in the kast elisode, in some moments the abimation looked abit off? Did anyone else notice like at points it didnt look smooth, it became really noticable and ive never ever once thought that after watching an ep of star wars animation

As great as Maul was in the Clone Wars, it created the problem of bringing any character back from being mortally wounded.

Exactly, I am still waiting to hear how they plan to explain that she came back.

I'm beyond excited and very much looking forward to seeing your long form Asajj Star Wars Story explainer video Theory, your always so fantastic with those! Let's GO!! "STORY TIME!" 🙌😃

Ima say this, I believe the book DID in fact happen and they thought she “died” but she actually didn’t. I made this connection during the latest episode of “The Bad Batch” episode 9 of season 3 towards the end. Where Ventress says “ But I’ve got a few lives left.” Idk the connection was so clear to me. But this is what I believe the case for ventress is.

I don’t personally care about recon from the book. I just really like seeing how force users like Asajj make their way through the galaxy while the empire is looming above everyone. I really like her as a character so I want to see more of her.

I feel like it's too soon to make final verdicts on the return of Ventress. I've always felt, that changing characters story, is not harming the well written material that preceeded such decision, especially if the new story is well written. For Ventress it's too soon to tell if the changes will be for good or for bad, but we will see. What's more, this is not the first case that it has happened. Ashoka went through same process too when was the final season of CW released and till this day I'm not disappointed with the decision to slightly retcon and rewrite her story. The original books is still amazing to read and frankly I couldn't care less if the canon version is slightly different, because the changes followed the similiar path, but also gave meaningful story to the broader audience. Let's just wait how this one turns out to be and keep hoping for the best.

It’s become a “who can we squeeze more money out of this time?” Oh let’s bring back X she’s a favourite !

I liked the book but on screen takes priority. She should have her end, whatever that is, on screen

Im fr tired of the constant battle between writers and disney. Why make something canon and then scrap it a year later?

I would love to see an Asajj Ventress series!

Video summary: Had perfect story but see recognizable character so clap clap best thing ever!!

I had never heard of 'Dark Disciple' so when I watched her in Clone Wars I was like, 'I can't see where she goes from here!' only to find out she DIES?? So I'm happy to see her.

I love this character. I enjoyed the back and forth banter between her and Obi Wan in the Clone wars. Very strong and perceptive character

Personally having asaj ventress back is one of the coolest things and smartest things they could ever do. Asaj is top tier. Survived Anakin multiple times (by the skin of her teeth) went through the force the dark side back to the force and now is one of the most independent force users next to revan. you don't get much better than that . and if they keep her love story minus the death part then she was also a very intense and passionate lover. pretty much --->everything

Great video man! I totally agree, Ventress is a super cool character. I’m so glad she’s back. May the FORCE be with you!

As someone who is about to read all of the canon books except high republic. I’m kinda sad the books don’t mean a lot anymore. Star wars aftermath should definitely be canon. But anyway we need asajj bc it actually means she might be used in the mando stuff ( even though she should be quite old by then ) which would be cool

last line in the show says it all. "I have a few lives left."

We NEED more grey jedi in the sw universe. Characters who are loyal only to themselves and not a path of ideals leave a lot more opportunities for good cinematic storytelling

Asajj is such a badass. It made me happy when she made the appearance in the Bad Batch. Would love to see her story expanded. I just hope they don’t do her dirty like Disney did with Bariss. 😢 Tales of the Empire was ok. Not a fan of the Morgan stuff. I think it’s good for background info, but they could have done that differently. I guess I kind of expected more to come from Bariss than what we got. Now, I don’t know how much time there was between when she left the Empire and the final episode but maybe we can get some kind of filler in there at some point? 🤷🏼‍♂️

Bought Luke’s SNV from Theory Sabers last night! Can’t wait to unbox it!

I didn’t want her to die. I’m glad she’s back….

It’s kinda surprising that a lot of people are surprised considering the amount of times we’ve seen stuff from the comics and novels retconned by the movies and series.

Keep it up bro! 🙌

At least the show was aware of what it had done, i was confused when she said " i have a few livess left".

You can't let a book stop Asajj👽

I'm at that frustrated point that I just don't even care what canon is or not, because they'll just change their minds in 5 minutes. I'll continue to love Dark Disciple and also try to enjoy Asajj going forward.

I bet Asaaj Ventress will be in Tales of the Jedi Season 2!

Angelina Jolie needs to play her in live action

EU matters to me, there she was alive as well.

@Star Wars Theory. Here is my theory about Asajj Ventress, What if one path of Asajj's life ended with her death and a new life beginning with a new path?

Didn't George Lucas say that only the movies and shows were canon? I don't mind this all that much.

i trust the Bad Batch and its writers personally, Out of all the shows we have right now The boys and omega are holding it down when it comes to writing and proper character development. and Asajj's death was glorious but im all for our first clone jedi being omega and Asajj " the baddest bitch in the galaxy" Ventress be her master especially with the chance of Voss coming back into play which very well might connect to the kenobi show considering he got a shout out there

I love your channel keep up the good work

When a women writes a STRONG female character you get Asajj. When you get an Activist writes a STRONG female character you get Rey/Reva TBA (Who knows what Acolyte brings.)

She was just shocked not cut in half

If asaj ends up training omega and we see them both later on would be epic!

I think that if any character were to comeback besides Darth Maul, its would be Asajj Ventress.

I’ve been watching your channel since 2019 and then I became a RU-vidr myself in 2022 and have a wide range of content that I upload.

Another great video man i appreciate your work see ya in the next one brother😎

I’m happy this is getting retconed and I was hoping this would get Retconed when they started doing that with books. Ventress had a great arc in clone wars and one of my favorite clone wars characters and I’m happy she kept being a bounty hunter cause she was a bounty hunter last time we saw her in clone wars so it works

This Asajj is going to make a dope action figure! Hot Toys, Mafex, Black Series. In all seriousness I was glad to see Asajj l and I look forward to seeing her arc going forward.

It's not necessarily a retcon. They said it wouldn't be. In the comic series Obsession, Asajj is apparently killed, but instead goes into a force healing trance until she can revive. This could be what happened with Dooku's lightning. Obi-Wan and Vos put her in stasis for 4 months and then buried her in her home waters; which are magical and healing... 😉

I love that she's back!

Fat Mace vs Darth Vader on Hawaii in the Final Season will be wild 💀

Its like Talon, Asajj, and Zannah are the triangle of most badass

Theory I’m not sure if u already talked about what I’m about to say but I would like your thoughts. I was watching Episode 5 again and I noticed that in the beginning when the Empire find the Rebels on Hoth and how Vader mentions that (Luke) Skywalker is with them, then towards the middle of the movie when the Emperor is having his convo with Vader he basically tells him Luke is Ankakins offspring, and Vader then replies how is this possible. So was Vader just playing dumb or is this an error?

My personal theory is she got revived by some kind on night sister magic after her death said like we saw Mother Tousen (idk the spelling) trying to do with herself just without the massive power boost tousen was trying to give herself because she said I have many more lives to live

with nothing holding them back who would win Assajja V.S Ahsoka

Asajj surviving is totally fine with me. She's one of the few characters I i can see surviving impossible odds. Plus she's just one of the best written female characters in SW. This epsiode got me hyped for more Ventress. She's very "unaligned force user." As she states on the episode, she serves herself. I love Quinlan, and the book, but having Asajj around still is fine with me. Im a writer; they can easily explain away her "death."

She was buried in the waters of Dathomir. A planet that we’ve hardly scraped the surface of. It’s plausible that she was resurrected. There was no retcon

Thank you Disney for bringing back Ventress 🙏

Were they getting us used to the 'force-fu' coming up in the acolyte with the ventress hand to hand battle

Star Wars has always been about on screen for me. I don't really worry about what they put into the books

Shoulda brought her back in ahsoka to delay her from getting to thrawn instead of reviving storm troopers , instead get the witches to revive ventress due to her having a link to dathomir and all that