I agree heck I'd even argue she had the most radical design change from classic to modern! Hopefully in the coming years we get more concept art and information unveiled
i guess im randomly asking but does anybody know a tool to get back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot my login password. I would love any tricks you can give me.
That would be insane! The Perfect Chaos picture was probably my favorite out of the whole bunch..it blew me away when I saw it. Also thought it was really interesting even from the beginning Sonic Team wanted a giant dragon coming out of a building. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching :)
@@caramelcandys Yes! I read somewhere (I'll try to find it) that Izuka said the Generations version of Perfect Chaos was always what the team "envisioned" him to look like while developing SA1 but the in-game technical limitations at the time held them back. (I can't get the actual magazine interview but here is the link to where I found it, its in the trivia section if interested: sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Perfect_Chaos_(Sonic_Generations)#cite_note-1)
At least a spin-off manga (no pun intended) kinda like the Pokémon Manga or Legend of Zelda Manga. I’d die to have an opportunity to make a fan rendition, but there’s probably so many out there...
The colours aren't actually darker in the guidebook, if you try and recreate them based on the codes you'll see that. they just seem darker because of the scan itself. They're also by and large the colours still used today, with only minor changes- skin tones were lightened as were grey tones, but the reds, blues, etc are still the same. Also, that Tikal "final counterpart" is fanart inking exactly of that concept art sketch. The first official 2d art of Tikal only came with the Sonic Channel site.
thanks for the heads up! It was brought to my attention about the Tikal coloring being done by KojiChao on SonicCult back in the 2003-2005 range, my mistake on that. That's an interesting fact about the colors though and I appreciate you pointing that out! Hope you enjoyed the video & thanks for watching :)
I always like when creators show their concept art to the public. It's really interesting to see how a game changed through the development cycle. When I first saw these Sega Saturn concepts I was impressed by how good it looked even for an old console with blocky 3D. Another good example is the concept art in Mega Man Legacy Collection 1&2 as some of the things there were also very interesting and not well known (for example in MMLC2 in the Mega Man 8 section there's concept art for Block Man's weapon from Mega Man 11, a game which released about 20 years later).
SAME! The concept art pieces are so interesting in my opinion and how the translate to the final game. The Saturn pictures were so interesting in my opinion, remined me of the OG FF7 models for some reason lol. I haven't played Mega Man but I need to check them out, I heard the OG's and X are great! Thanks for watching as always and hope you enjoyed :)
@@dcvmu This may be true but my point still stands as there are unused things that appeared in later games like the spring enemy which was cut from MM1 and returned in MM2 (as seen in the concept art section of the gallery).
5:08 It is cool that Generations designed Perfect Chaos as originally intended. The extra layer of scales is present in the original, but much more noticeable in Generations.
I agree it’s really cool the team was able to come back and actually follow up on the vision they originally had when the hardware was available for it
I 100% agree! It's able to mix an islandy tropical aesthetic with a modern and mystical/fantasy at the same time. It's crazy! Hope you enjoyed the video!
The knuckles clan is so interesting to me. And the Lost World stage, super mysterious, it’s just so cool lol. That concept art was so amazing, if we ever do get a remake I hope some of those old concepts get put into the stage
I 100% agree, I still feel theres alot of untapped potential with that corner of the universe (heck we got a whole frickin Bioware RPG in regards to it and it STILL felt like there was more untapped potential with it). I hope we do get a remake as stuff like that and the storyboards would make perfect inclusions in the game to really elevate it from just a graphical paintjob update. Lost World still kinda freaks me out in some ways with the music cues at certain sections like the darkness area or the boulder run section!
My 3 biggest takeaways from this comment section (and correction): 1. I need to watch Big Hero 6 and My Neighbor Totoro 2. Windy Valley's concept art was probably based off the Beta stage (although I couldn't find anything to confirm one way or the other but would make sense with the development process) 3.(more of a correction on my end) The Tikal art is an offical sketch but the coloring was done by KojiChao around 2003-2005 on the website SonicCult.com!
Seeing concept art is always a big joy for me, especially when its from a game that i consider to be my first game ive played as a child. Also thank you SO much for adding all the sources for easier access to the artwork
Same here and its a similar story for me with this game! Im happy to hear you checked the sources out, if you have any questions or anything let me know and I can try my best to help!
This is a quality video! Reminds me of Cybershell's stuff. Great pacing and clear audio. You've got yourself one more subscriber and I hope your channel takes off.
Thank you so much! That's an huge compliment to me to even be somewhat referenced to Cybershell. Really glad you enjoyed it, hope you enjoy the ride coming! :)
thanks so much im so happy to hear you enjoyed, it really means alot! Hopefully we get some good stuff from Sonic Team for the 30th to bring Sonic back to the spotlight
I’m commenting for the algorithm as this channel needs more views/subs. I’m subbing after this comment. This was very professional. I just assumed this was a relatively big RU-vidr’s video. Hopefully it will be soon
If they were to do a remake what I’d really like to see is unlockable skins for the charatcers much like how Crash 4 did it as there’s a lot of concept designs much like that one...which looked super awesome but will never see the light of an actual 3D translation. Here’s hoping though :)
Same here! I was expecting more Tikal stuff when going to research but alas there was not much released to the public. I wonder what her concept designs were like
Yeah, I’d imagine that early drafts of her appearance would have had different headdresses or arrangements of her jewelry reminiscent of Maya ruling class.
Sorry doing this at 11' Just a big if, imagine that they used the unused Concepts and put that into a separate mode or an entirely new story mode in the remake. Also I noticed this for awhile now Amy's Classic Design, She Has The Two Spikes On Her Back like Every Hedgehog In her Modern Design, They're gone Nobody hasn't Touched this Topic Yet
I really hope we get these concepts remade and placed in the story as that’s the kind of stuff that elevates a remake for me imo. Yeah I agree it’s weird Amy’s design radically changed so much yet there’s literally no available art on it which sucks :/ great eye though, that’s a really interesting detail
@@Eldarin Yeah, What really surprises me that the Fans don't even Talk/ Mention about that ( I think ) Which is Shocking, Well I'll Spread the Word About this though.
That chubby Knuckles clan dude at the end gave me a pretty good chuckle. I think I find the N64 / Saturn / PS1 era of development really interesting since you have these developers who were already experienced with 2D games trying to figure out how to get things to work in 3D. I'm glad that concept art being released to the public has only become more commonplace; it's fairly easy to buy artbooks online from the game developers and publishers. You've got a good voice and good editing. Keep up the good work.
Hey thanks so much for the kind words :) I haven't really taken a dive down the N64/Saturn/PS1 rabbithole before but now that you mention it that would be pretty cool to check out. I find the concept art of these games from this era so interesting since its before alot of them could fully realize their vision compared to nowadays so it really makes for some interesting conversations as to "how" a certain piece would've turned out if the game was made in todays environment. A good example off the top of my head is that for Perfect Chaos in SA1 it wasn't until Sonic Generations (close to 15 years later) when they remade the fight and remodeled him that is what Sonic Team always wanted him to look like and I could only imagine for the other big titles from that era like Mario 64, OoT (which I really need to play) or Crash Bandicoot
@@Eldarin I feel exactly the same way. Unlike today, that was largely an era of compromise. Developers tried to push the hardware and see what they could get away with, which makes the differences between the idealized concept art and the final product that much more interesting. It was the wild west back then when the rules weren't as established and there was still a lot of new discoveries. I'm probably romanticizing it too much, but the idea is interesting to me.
duuuuudeeeee you killed it on this video. I usually don't comment on the quality of videos, but this was A1. The small bits of humor were my favorite, they were subtle jokes and then you went straight back to the point. subbed.
Does anyone know anything about the artist that drew the sonic holding a torch and the yellow egg carrier art? I'm not sure if it's Hiroshi Nishiyama or not :c
The torch artwork is currently unsourced, no one knows who on the team drew it, from my knowledge at least. The same goes with the yellow egg carrier one unfortunately. It’s a shame SEGA doesn’t bring light to a lot of this stuff but I suppose they’re may be legal reasons or something :/
@@Eldarin That's such a shame! I fell so in love with that yellow egg carrier art that I wanted to try tracking down the creator, but it seems like that'd be an impossible task without being able to contact someone from that era of Sega... Thank you for your answer, though!
Wow, my guess is Big was based on Totoro and it looks like he was originally going to be a tanuki, but then eventually made him into a cat instead. Also, that concept art of Chaos even though didn't get used for Sonic Adventure due to the Dreamcast's limited technical abilities, that would later be Chaos' appearance in Sonic Generations.
@@Eldarin I mean its really not. I mean his in game modle is always significantly smaller than the adult human NPC models and scales more to the models of the Kid NPC's. A fact that holds true for SA1. SA2, 06, Unleashed, the Archie Sonic comics and Sonic X.
Thank you! And yeah I'm playing through SA2 and have some content coming very shortly on it, but I forgot just HOW FUN the stages are in them. It's always been so interesting to me as to how different the design philosophy of SA1 vs SA2 (not in a bad way at all as they both excel in what they set out to do). I kinda think there can be an argument made if they should even be in the same subseries. I just recently went back to 100% SA1 and it was a blast but the SA2 completion experience so far has been FUN ASF especially due to the ranking and how to get the A ranks, you need to be good at the level and look cool doing it. So fun! :)
@@Eldarin I COMPLETELY agree. My first time in SA1 was before preschool if I remember correctly. I got SA2 in 3rd grade and initially thought the tails/knuckles (and their counterparts) gameplay was boring, as many would argue now, but after many years (I'm in college now) of playing and playing SA2 (probably over 20 playthroughs tbh XD, and that's not counting just replaying levels for fun) I think tails and knuckles stages are just as fun as sonic's, if not more so tbh! Those stages breathe in the exploration and more methodical platforming that aren't present in sonic's stages, giving the game a very nice balance imo. And the MUSIC! The tone/story of SA2 is a sweet spot for the series imo as well. I would love to see another game take a genuine attempt to follow this up (but to be fair, Sonic 06 is kinda maybe my favorite sonic game, but that's off the record XD)
@@garfieldodie3106 Im 100% with you as I was in a similar situation and I sold my gamecube, all my sonic games and everything to get a X360 in lieu of Sonic 06. I'm really excited to play it again for the channel since I remember LOVING it when I was younger without knowledge of the outside consensus on it.I never 100% beat SA2's story till this year (couldn't get past cannons core lol) but I was really impressed how many callbacks to SA1 there were at the end and how Sonic Team was able to blend the Sci-fi aesthetic of the 2nd game with the more mystical fantasy theme of the first. Both games are so awesome! (sorry for the late response also). I'm interested to see where SEGA is going to go this year with the new game and if they use the adventure formula (Im not too picky as long as the game is fun and the story is good lol)
Wow, this was pretty interesting. great work on going in depth with the concept art of Sonic adventure for how it made changes to the series. Are you going to make another one with Sonic adventure 2 besides the one you made with Shadow & Rouge? Cuz this really peeked my interest and i know some concept art of SA2 was shown in one of sonic live streams.
Thank you so much! I’m really happy to hear you enjoyed the vid. As for if I’m going to do an SA2 one, I am currently planning to but I can’t seem to find anywhere near as much concept art straight out for SA2 so what I may do is morph it into something a tad more specific than just “concept art of SA2” if that makes sense (kinda like what my most recent one is). Let me know if that clears it up, thanks!
@@Eldarin oh thank you for the reply and also fair enough. I couldn't seem to find that much as well. All I can find is the concept art from the Twitter link: twitter.com/VGArtAndTidbits/status/982205020132147212?s=20 and some images of it on google. Regardless, hope your next video works out well my guy. :)
Sonic Adventure is still a favourite of mine. I may not care for a good chunk of its content, but the Sonic portion is so good that I'm willing to tolerate the lesser parts.
I agree, I just got done 100% it recently and it was a blast but there is somethings I am not a fan of but Sonic's gameplay keeps me coming back and back, the level design and his control are some of the best in the franchise.
The story boards for Sonic Adventure make me really wish that Sonic Team could remake it in order to create what the story was to it's fullest potential without worrying about the limitations of experience in 3D they had at the time of the original being made. Then I remember it's Sonic Team we're talking about and I understand that it wouldn't really pan out regardless most likely.
@@Eldarin Being a Sonic fan is like cramming for a test and mastering the answer to all the questions only to realize that your teacher assigned you an outdated book if you're lucky and a completely different than needed book if you're not. But heck, you throw enough games out into the world with holes in them you're bound to pull magic from a hat sooner or later, I know I'm just coping but at least ST keeps us on our toes.
The giant Knuckles Pillar is right in front of the entrance to Lost World in the Mystic Ruins, and you can actually see an animation of it forming every once in awhile
Thanks! I’m the same way, I’m not really sure what it is specifically with SA1 but the development is so interesting to me, it’s probably a mix of it’s 10 months development and the road before it being created (Sonic XTreme, etc etc) and Sonic Team still delivered a banger, imo at least
8:08, actually you may not be aware, but windy valley was completely different for a lot of the game’s development. The drawing is a section from the prototype windy valley, a pretty accurate one too.
That is a good point it could've been based off the beta verison, granted I couldn't find any info in regards to what version the drawing was based off of (so I tried to match as best as I could) but I could 100% see how that would've been where that picture came from. Makes me wonder why they even cut it as although I love final Windy Valley the beta was far superior. Anyways, hope you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching!
Some of those early Big designs are really charming tbh. Those early Gamma designs are cool, but I couldn't see them working as what's supposed to be one of the most powerful and efficient robots Eggman has ever made. That Oshima illustration of Perfect Chaos is fucking badass too.
The Perfect Chaos illustration is probably my favorite out of the whole group, I found the Big ones really cool too and I would've been interested to see how that would've translated from the paper to in-game. I agree about Gamma, poor guy looked like a hunk of junk instead of an elite fighting robot
Hello, I really enjoyed this video and would love to have you on my podcast where I shout out other Sonic people. If you are interested I can send you my discord info.
I would absolutely love to, thank you so much for reaching out and offering me this! Do you have a twitter or form of contact I could message you on for the discord?
Looking at the Echidna relic concept art, it seems they were planning to be closer to S3&K's style initially, though the shonen animé aesthetic of Adventure was clearly set from the get go.
The Knuckles Clan flashbacks and Lost World were inspired by various ruins in Central America. I think members of Sonic Team also went to Guatemala to visit them, as well.
Hey, thanks so much! Hope you enjoy the ride. That's so awesome you are really interested in art, I always struggled to draw myself, but I love looking at fan art (and concept art obviously), if your channel banner is your work it looks great btw. Keep up the good work :)
That’s awesome! And to add onto that, we know can assume the reason for the S.A.M.E was for the canceled (or delayed) adventure remakes! Thanks for watching and hope you enjoyed :)
i just love those models of sonic and tails on the sega saturn. i'm so curious now to see what sonic adventure would've been like on the saturn instead of the dreamcast.
I love the Sonic R-esque ones too they're so cool but kinda cute. It really gave me a OG FF7 vibe in the pictures they gave for some reason, thanks for stopping by and hope you enjoyed :)
@@Eldarin YEAH they hit that low-poly classic look perfectly and i feel like it would be funny to have a full-blown adventure game in that style of animation lmao
If you haven’t checked out Sonic Robo Blast 2 it’s a free fan game that has the same style of those pictures..I’d highly recommend it, it’s the style of 2D sonic with the level design and openness of the adventure games! Plus the mods are super dope too!
@@Eldarin After the nintendo leaks we need some sort of sega leaks. But there probably doesn't exist a demo, most of it must have been computer generated images.
@GHZ J2391 Hmmmm that is a really interesting question...I would say we would probably have gotten something close to what those concept art pictures were for the SA1 prototype. It does raise the question though, would the levels have changed design due to the technical limitations? Like for example, Emerald Coast was made to show off the Dreamcast so it makes me wonder if we would've gotten a whole new set of levels, and would the different stories be dropped for something more akin to 3K where you have the sonic story and the knuckles story. I feel like we certainly would've gotten a rendition of Angel Island as a level from the looks of the concept art Saturn pictures that have been released. On top of that if they went with the hub worlds, at least in the pictures we have of the Saturn concept art I think the look of the adventure fields would be something similar to the OG FF7 hubs in looks. Also, on a bit of a different note would Sonic X-Treme ever have happened in this hypothetical situation or would Sonic X-Treme be called Sonic Adventure...?🤔
@GHZ J2391 thats a good point! In that case, it makes me wonder if whatever Sonic X-Treme would have turned into, how would that have affected the development of SA1 and if there woud be any changes to the final product of SA1
I thought the Takumi Miyake one was another Oshima effort considering it did look alot like this picture of his, given the pose and nose look very similar, or possibly it was partly inspired, with the edge turned up to up the max XD. I'm glad we got the final Sonic we got. i.imgur.com/JZXzP0p.jpg Also with looking at Okano's art for the Japanese release of 3D for the Saturn, they really do like the missing link between the Mega Drive/Genesis and Dreamcast redesigns for Sonic, Knux, Miles and Eggman sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_3D_Blast/Gallery
That Oshima one and Miyakes do look quite similar, I’m sure just like Uekawa’s they all took inspiration from each other so that may have been what happened there. And that’s a really good point on Okano’s art! Side note, I picked up 3D Blast but have yet to play it. I’m genuinely curious as to how it’s going to be LOL Thanks for watching also :)
@@Eldarin there was a quote I can remember seeing from an article saying about it was mostly Okano who had something down, then Uekawa came along and refined it “Before ‘new Sonic,’ I had drawn an illustration of Sonic, then Yuji Uekawa finished it. Because of that, the initial ‘new Sonic’ illustrations were a two-person effort. This is something very few SEGA employees know about.” Satoshi Okano www.fanbyte.com/features/sonic-hedgehog-satoshi-okano/ Also we need more actual character artwork in the games, rather the bland CG models which might as well the ingame character models at this point, given how graphics are these days. Either some art from Uekawa, or Yui Karasuno, wouldn't go a miss to grace the next game's box art. Also if you're unfamiliar with Karasuno, she does alot of artwork for the Japanese Sonic Twitter, which at times feels easily better than the English one, given as I said the Karasuno and Uekawa artwork which has more meaning and heart than the dumb memes they usually post. However we do get the odd nice bit of art from Nathalie Fourdraine every now and then, so its not a total lost cause. sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_Channel/Gallery#Social_media_artwork
YES! I thought the same thing...certainly would've been interesting if we had some pre-rendered backgrounds instead of the adventure field! Thanks for watching :)
I am so sorry to do this, but unmodded DX footage genuinely gives me, like, this kind of motion sickness nausea alongside the sadness of the porting job overall-- I simply can't look at it, especially in-between stuff specifically about SA1's art. I'm glad to see more well-researched and well-edited Sonic stuff out there though! (and I'd totally watch a version without the SADX B-roll, I understand I';m dumb lol)
I'm sorry to hear that, no need to apologize either! I use BetterSADX mainly for the widescreen hack and such but if interested hopefully my SA2 video suits your fancy more :)
Well originally I was doing reviews on each game, but decided to deviate from that and focus on smaller videos on specific topics once I hit the 3D games as I feel the "review" aspect of these games has been talked to death at this point and I really didn't have any thing new to add to the conversation, so I didn't want to waste your guys time with it ya know? As for now, I still plan to review some of the smaller games like the handheld ones (unless you guys want videos similar to this one on say sonic rush, advance etc) and for the mainline titles...make a few videos on talking about stuff I found interesting and informative. Let me know if that answered your question!
@@Eldarin Well so far I've only give your Sonic 4-1, Sonic 4-2, SA1, & SA2 videos a watch. I found your channel through being reccomended your SA1 & SA2 Concept vids. I personally love that kinda stuff. I would say though that the first vid I actually clicked on was SA2, likely because it was a single*-topic video. So I think, personally, I'd be mpre inclined to to see these dives into specific things of your own interest moving forwards. If there's something you've always wanted to talk about and/or something nobody else has that uou can bring new to the table then go for it! (I'm not saying don't do reviews/cover other games. If you still want to do that then by all means.)
Man, what a great video, great humour and you showed a lot of fresh new things (or i guess old) that i have never seen before I love Sonic Adventure and the style of the game with the more mystical phantasy aproach it went
Im so happy to hear that! Thanks so much for the kind words. I agree its such a weird and unique setting but thats what makes it workso well imo. And then bundle that in with SA2 where it goes urban-scifi then urban-sci-mystical-phantasy by the end of the game with tying into SA1. Crazy styles!
talks about sonic adventure having good graphics the video: SADX Steam port, the objectively most butchered version of the game graphics wise Dreamcast conversion has spoiled me.
Lol I totally understand the dreamcast love..I grew up with SADX and its my perferred way to play but I understand where its faults are. Either way even with the SADX worsened lighting and such, the game still looks really good for its time with its art direction and graphically which is a testament to Sonic Team's work on the game dreamcast or not
Great video! I appreciate your meme edits scattered throughout to keep things fresh and entertaining. The concept art you picked was varied, and instead of just showing off the art, you went through the effort to find out the artists, their roles, and footage of how the art appeared in the final game. I liked how you prefaced any opinion of yours with "that's just my opinion, though," because it gave you a humbleness I found admirable. If I had any criticisms, I'd say that you could cut down the video length by removing the mentions of "I found this interesting" scattered throughout. I feel the fact you featured it in the video shows that you found it interesting, and the viewer can decide if they too find it interesting on their own. Ultimately that's a nitpick. I appreciate the level of commitment you've shown towards making this a quality video. Thank you!
Hey there! Just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to write the comment and feedback. I will 100% work on the "I found this interesting" stuff to make it a bit more concise! Im so happy you enjoyed the video and stay tuned for more!
Hey there! Yeah I thought it could've used the beta design but I wasn't 100% sure since I couldn't find anything confirming or denying either way. It would make sense though as the beta level would be first based off the concept art. Hope you enjoyed the video and great eye!
