How Sonic The Hedgehog 4 Killed Nostalgia - The Development Of Sonic 4

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@Eldarin 2 года назад

I’d like to just make a quick clarification that I probably didn’t explain well enough in the video: in the part where I was discussing the other games (Riders, Unleashed, Colors, etc.) I was giving the general public perspective of the normies at the time and the games metacritic scores, not my views on the games. While the tide has changed in terms of general public opinion…there was a reason why Sonic 4 was a thing and that’s because those games listed above were trashed upon release. Personally, I really like all of them and would like to do full separate videos going over my thoughts on those games at some point. thanks to everyone who participated in the art contest. Also def check out those birthday contest videos in the description, they’re pretty much peak RU-vid soul (when it was). Put a smile on my face :,) if interested here is the eldarin discord link: discord.gg/fCh4Rnb6sW

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

First

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

Awesome video

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

Happy birthday

@alternatenican 2 года назад

I'm so glad to have my art featured in this video! Thank you Eldarin.

@d3-penguin954 2 года назад

I will honestly never grow tired of people tearing apart this game. Sonic 4 is so amusingly soulless and terrible.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Same with 2006.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura06 had two things this game lacked, decent story and great music

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 2006's ost was great but the story was bad.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura I’d take a story that tried and failed over a story that doesn’t try (like colors) any day

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 Then go for RPGs not platformers. Mario barely had any stories and they're all great. Colors is a better game than 2006.

@asafolarin102999 2 года назад

Sonic 4 was to Classic Fans what Sonic Forces was to "Dark Age" fans

@ikagura 2 года назад

The Dark Age was the 00's

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura you’re fucking everywhere bitching and insisting that the meta era was good in the long run lol

@celerity910 2 года назад

A lip service imitation lost in the shadow of what it claimed to be the follow-up to? Well if Sonic 4 got owned by Mania, then hopefully a true successor to the early 3D games can appear.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@celerity910 Colours was the good part of 3D games

@ahogammer6895 2 года назад

Is now.

@Larry 2 года назад

Sonic 4 was a huge mis-step, Sega saw all the praise Capcom had recieved with Mega Man 9 and rather than stick to it's routes, making it look like an actual Mega Drive/Genesis game, they just used the name on a mobile phone game they had in development. A total wasted opportunity all around.

@petergriffinsbrother2499 2 года назад

Sega being sega as usual

@ikagura 2 года назад

Classic Mega Man is the best.

@Larry 2 года назад

@@ikagura Did you like Mega Man 9?

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@Larry Yes, it was a good return to the roots episode. 8-bits Megaman can't be surpassed.

@TheCleanerDragon 2 года назад

I can tell that Sonic 4 doesn't run on Sonic Rush's engine, because Rush is actually enjoyable.

@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 года назад

Rush I an amazing and fun game unlike Sonic 4

@BH-98 2 года назад

It feels like a more sluggish version of rush’s engine. Not just because of no boost but 4 has a slow start up speed, stopping on a dime after building momentum, the stiff jump, etc compared to rush.

@beauwalker9820 2 года назад

@@BH-98 it's a shame so many Sonic games have a hard time being Sonic games. And I say this as someone who enjoyed some of the controversial/hated games. Sonic 4 would of been good if the physics were more like tge Sonic Advance trilogy, or 2 Sonic Rush games. Those games were also made by Dimps, so it proves they had the physics down well at one point.

@moosesues8887 2 года назад

@@beauwalker9820 tf is a sonic game

@beauwalker9820 2 года назад

@@moosesues8887 what is "tf?"

@masterprick1 2 года назад

It feels like Iizuka is controlled by fear, always too afraid to move forward and too stick to an idea. The man also has an obsessive attachment to nostalgia and trying to go back to the Genesis games, even Mania was not allowed to be all new zones due to this.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Mania is an anniversary game and what's wrong with nostalgia? The Genesis games were the best.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Iizuka needs to be fired because Whitehead did Sonic better than Sega in 20 years.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura they were great but I still prefer sonic adventure 1 and 2 and shadow 05, most of the stuff afterwards I just try to pretend that they don’t exist

@aerth6946 2 года назад

@@ikagura Nothing wrong with nostalgia as long as it isn't overdone.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 Colors is better than these.

@LupinticDream 2 года назад

I thought Sonic 4 Episode 2 was decent. Still not particularly decent as a sequel to Sonic 3 or anything, but, y'know, decent as its own thing at least. Thought the moves Sonic & Tails could perform together were fun, kind of like a spiritual successor to the partner mechanics in Sonic Advanced 3, which you mentioned. Too bad it was so short of a game and there was never an Episode 3 to follow up on the cliffhanger. The overall low quality of Sonic 4 Episode 1 just did too much damage I guess, and they really shot themselves in the foot by calling it Sonic The Hedgehog 4. A shame, really.

@Eldarin 2 года назад

agreed, if S4E2 was named differently I think the perception would be alot better. the game is pretty fun imo. thanks for watching!

@Gnidel 2 года назад

@@Eldarin It would need to be full length too.

@75JUNAKI 2 года назад

@@Gnidel Maybe like 4 more Zone’s at least, or instead took the 4 main Zone’s (and changed them entirely beside’s a few Zone name’s) from Sonic.T.H.4 Ep.1.

@videogamesuperstars Год назад

Better than New Sonic the Hedgehog New Sonic the Hedgehog & Tails New Sonic the Hedgehog 2 New Sonic the Hedgehog Xbox Series

@sayer4148 2 года назад

For a game called Sonic 4, this game sure didn't leave an impact at all.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

The Sonic advance trilogy we’re the proper sequels to the genesis trilogy

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 No, Advance is Modern Sonic. Mania is the true sequel to the Genesis ones.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura it plays the same

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 What?

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura did I fucking stutter?

@TheSwordsman100 2 года назад

As someone who started playing Sonic with Sonic 1 on the Genesis, this wasn't the case for me or my friends. Heck Adventure 1 and 2 was extremely popular back then on the Dreamcast as well. The younger fans didn't really take off till around the time of Heroes, where the flawed ports of A1 and 2 was released for the Game Cube. It took the Meta Era for me to jump on the "things were better back in my day" bandwagon. Sure the Classic purists were around, but a lot of us still liked the newer stuff.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Classic games and Colors are good.

@RodniDemental 2 года назад

@@ikagura _classic_ fans complained about the _modern_ games, now _modern_ fans are complaining about the _meta_ games, I wonder how long before the _meta_ fans start trying to tear down the _future_ games.. or has it already begun...!

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@RodniDemental Meta is Modern tho.

@sezunemizuhana3870 2 года назад

@@ikagura No, there is nothing "modern" about meta Sonic, it literally (unsuccessfully) rehashes all the elements from either classics or mario. Its all nostalgia bait, an thats it.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@sezunemizuhana3870 It's still Modern Sonic, Adventure Sonic is also Modern Sonic.

@skeletongaming69 2 года назад

Sonic 4 is so loved that sonic mania is consider by some people as the real sonic 4

@Scott... 2 года назад

It’s crazy that Christian Whitehead has been continuously saving Sega’s ass for over a decade

@tahasheikh6480 Год назад

the goat

@Fascistbeast Год назад

Sonic Mania is genius Fans know that 👍

@wizzenberry Год назад

Hese the GOAT

@Thewaterspirit57 Год назад

He did that once. ONCE.

@Brando56894 Год назад

They're fun games on Android, but my problem is that that Episode 1 requires a ton of permissions, like access to your contacts list and requiring an internet connection. Why the hell does Sonic need a connection to the internet?! They haven't been updated for years, and both episodes don't work with add-on controllers like the Razer Kishi v2, which sucks. I'm running Android 13 and every time I open it up it says "this game was created for a previous version of Android, it may not work with your device."

@lillian4057 Год назад

There's so much irony and sarcasm in this video i cant even tell whats real anymore

@Just_Daze 2 года назад

It's still weird to me how Sonic Team haven't waited till their schedule would allow them to work on Sonic 4 themselves. Granted, without most of the original genesis creators not working at SEGA it would still make it a worse experience, but Iizuka's full supervision over the project would've helped tremendously. Great video as always, Eldarin and i am very thankful for that shoutout! Peace ✌

@ikagura 2 года назад

Iizuka isn't a good game director.

@thrasher9534 2 года назад

@@ikagura that's not the case

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@thrasher9534 Then tell me why he made the worst game ever aka Sonic 2006?

@gamingnubs7628 2 года назад

@@ikagura Iizuka worked on S3&K, the Adventure games, Heroes, Shadow, Unleashed, Colours, Gens and even had a small part to play in Mania. 1 mistake vs 9 successes. You really wanna call him a bad director?

@Gnidel 2 года назад

@@ikagura Because he had to salvage a project that he didn't start when Yuji Naka left, with half of the team working on Secret Rings, on new consoles, with extremely strict deadline. Also, it's not the worst even within Sonic series.

@DemonDethchase 2 года назад

Sonic 4: Episode 1 a key example of celebrate regression and reveling in mediocrity. Why is celebrating you only have one playable character a good thing when one of the key things the series was built upon was expansion. Sonic 1: Sonic is playable, and you have momentum based physics Sonic 2: Sonic is playable, as is the new character Tails, you also get the Spin Dash and now Super Sonic Sonic CD: Sonic is playable, a time travel mechanic, Amy is introduced and voice acting (albeit very limited but babysteps!) Sonic 3 & Knuckles: Sonic is playable, as is Tails who can now fly and Knuckles is introduced with his own unique moveset and cutscenes that expand the narrative for both Sonic and Knuckles in the games Sonic Advance: An expansion of the 16-bit games with better graphics and now Amy is playable with her own moveset Sonic Advance 2: Proto-boost with Cream being the new character and own play style Sonic Advance 3: Two player teams with each team having unique team up moves Sonic Rush: Further expanded the boost gameplay and while the roster of playable characters shrunk it still introduced Blaze Sonic 4 Episode 1: Sonic is playable and now with the Homing Attack and... Its like everything that made the old 2D games good were stripped away, right down to the momentum based physics! But yet it gets 9/10 across the board, calling it the game Sega should have made 15 years ago - along with disgusting derogatory comments about Vanilla - like 2D Sonic suddenly died after Sonic Adventure came out in 1998. Also with the marketing from Sega of America, is it any wonder why I strongly dislike the English social media. I mean whatever happened to carrying yourself with a bit of respect and dignity, like from 1991-2009? Now we get "Tomatopotamus/Sonic never worked in 3D" and self deprecating memes like its desperate for approval. "You think I'm a joke? I KNOW I'm a joke! Oh, please like me, please!" Also with the over reliance of nostalgia and returning back to Green Hill for the 100th time it really does seem as Johnny Gioeli sang on Crushing Thirties it does seem like the series was indeed being held back the legacy behind it rather than actually looking to move forward. Because what good as a world where Green Hill goes on forever? Also just quickly, while Ep.2 is better than the first one, the lack of a playable Tails when playing solo, with the kid locked behind player 2, is just dumb! Because it should not be that difficult to select the fox cub when you consider how it was handled in previous titles. And Advance 3 proving that tag team moves can work just with Sonic not even being in the team, nevermind the legal man.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Mania is how to do it.

@DemonDethchase 2 года назад

@@ikagura in some ways it is, however in other ways not so much. How it's not because only five years earlier we had a greatest hits through time and space with Sonic Generations, we really did not need another one. Because if Sonic keeps dwelling in the past, he won't have a future and what good is a world where Green Hill goes on forever!? More so, when you consider that the Advance and Rush games never rehashed the same old Zones over and over again, making brand stages from start to finish. But what it did do right was having a handful of brand new stages, as well as additional playable characters - with Knux and Miles - to properly celebrate the series, something Generations is sorely lacking with your only options being Sonic with his 3D and and 2D gameplay and Sonic with 2D and...? Sega seemed to be listening a little too closely to critics that they've forgotten it wasn't Sonic alone who built the franchise, despite it having his name on it.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@DemonDethchase Generations and Colors are good game. I mean nostalgia is what makes Sega still having fans. And I want to see more Genesis-like content because it was the best from the series.

@inendlesspain4724 2 года назад

@@ikagura To each their own, but I completely disagree about "nostalgia is what makes Sega still having fans", because what made Sonic great in the first place was how different it was from the competition and how it kept innovating with each new game (like OP said), plus I think we've had enough nostalgia bait this past decade. For now Sonic should focus on doing its own thing _and_ it being good, because as it's been made painfully obvious by now, classic or modern, Sonic games won't be good as long as Sega doesn't care enough to make sure it's good.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@inendlesspain4724 Yakuza, Bayonetta and Persona are the only good post+Dreamcast IPs. Streets of Rage 4 was great, the Panzer Dragoon remake was good and Sonic Mania was excellent. I miss the Sega of the 90's and I want more things that are reminiscent of this golden era.

@oliverortizaviles7632 2 года назад

I got the opportunity to play Sonic 4 (both episodes) and gotta say something. Episode I is actually soulless, physics are so terrible and models are *so* plastic (in PS3, in smartphones are another thing) and some enemies are in a strategic position to f*ck you. Episode II is ton times better that Episode I, levels have personality and aren't classic layouts from Sonic's classic games. Doesn't feel like a true Sonic's classic trilogy continuation. Both episodes aren't worthy, but, Episode II is actually enjoyable, got better physics, better layout, better story, better everything.

@shaankelly1302 2 года назад

Sonic 4 Ep 2 is legit enjoyable. That being said thats just me and i also love seeing this game be torn apart bc its deserved. If the game was named literally anything but Sonic 4 i think it wouldve been reviewed better. The fact Ep2 reviewed way worse than Ep 2 is beyond me

@Eldarin 2 года назад

yeah episode 2 is pretty fun, I enjoy it myself and glad you do too. i did a review on it a bit ago going more in-depth on my thoughts if interested. thanks for watching!

@shaankelly1302 2 года назад

@@Eldarin Np. I love channels with well thought out analysis, i watch a ton of them. And you're good. I did watch your other Sonic 4 video it was good! Honestly the genesis/Mania sonic games are ideally how a 2d sonic should control but as long as the game is fun i dont really mind the physics being off. Generations classic sonic is fun as hell to me but Forces Classic Sonic controls like ass for example. And for my money Sonc 4 ep 2 controls ok but i had fun, the zones are all very good. There are tons of alt paths due to the Tails fly mechanic. Episode Metal is a joke tho but the 1st acts of the Sonic 4 levels were usually the best ones of the zone so really you get the best of Sonic 4 ep1 for what thats worth lol

@PsychoticWonders0725 9 месяцев назад

@@shaankelly1302I always figured that Episode 1 got better review scores because of how a game that attempts to invoke nostalgia as heavily as this hadn't really been done in Sonic at that point in time. Basically, it was less impressive to these reviewers the second time around. Not to mention Generations came out only a year before Episode 2, which handled the whole nostalgia thing better.

@TheEternalSamurai 2 года назад

Yeah, I was never a fan of Sonic 4. But that’s quite a fascinating story on how it was developed. Gr8 vid Eldarin 👍

@Eldarin 2 года назад

thanks so much samic!!

@jalolastname5446 2 года назад

Have you played episode 2?

@TheEternalSamurai 2 года назад

@@jalolastname5446 not that much of it actually

@dylanpotato8739 2 года назад

How did Unleashed get worse ratings than episode 1 and 2???(ep 2 only for the xbox version apparently) Unleashed was way better.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Unleashed is like 80% of werehog.

@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 года назад

@@ikagura Unleashed is awsome

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rac1equalsbestgame853 if you don't take the werehog stages into account

@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 года назад

@@ikagura The werehog is only bad if you're bad at Werehog gameplay

@TheLastGhostLegendario 2 года назад

@@rac1equalsbestgame853 For me i really liked the change and the battle system was awesome and for me this game is where sonic reaches the higher speed motion of them all.

@huyphan7825 2 года назад

Sega: ""We're making a game for the old fans!" Fans: "So it's gonna be a good game right?" Sega: Fans: "So it's gonna be a good game right?????"

@basilplushie2534 2 года назад

We will answer that question 7 year later not now - Sega probably

@omega_gamer9162 14 дней назад

@basilplushie2534 now : Fans:Sega is Sonic 4 good ? Sega: what's sonic 4?

@QUINOVIN 2 года назад

Sonic 4 is the Morbius of video games

@games_on_phone89 2 года назад

first game to sell 1 sonillion copies

@lukebytes5366 Год назад

Refreshing to see someone mention the actual context behind the decisions of this game and the meta era by extension. Too many people forget how many felt about the series back then, or simply ignore it due to something along the lines of "I was like 10 and didn't care about them haterz" regardless of how far the series strayed from it's course and how much it wobbles between said course.

@Bezaliel13 2 года назад

In Japan, four means death.

@SLGayming 2 года назад

Nice video Eldarin. May have been a long time but paid off. Glad to have another upload

@RecraftedS 2 года назад

I love how the thumbnail concept art looks better than the entire game 💀

@grinbrothers 2 года назад

I love the false-sincerity you poured into this video; the consistency of your tone between your joked praise and your serious discussion was impressive. I mean, "Hit console Ouya" is said without a hint of a chuckle. The presentation for the video was also fantastic and it was overall very informative. 19:36 - With the world separating plot line used also by Unleashed and the team mechanic used in Sonic 4 Ep 2 and Sonic Forces, it seems they like calling back/taking from Sonic Advance 3. To be fair, the team up mechanic is a cool thing and is a great way to take advantage of Sonic's wide cast of characters, which is a series' strength in my opinion.

@MANGOM1LK 2 года назад

i think the best thing to come out of all this is *specifically* the Steam port of Episode II. that game's speed is tied to the framerate, so if you have a capable monitor you can change the framerate cap in your graphics card settings. when capped at 75 FPS, episode II genuinely feels great to play. very smooth and very speedy. it's a shame the game has as many dud levels as it does (which, granted, is only a couple of Acts, but that's still two or three out of twelve full levels). i really wish these titles had gone for the two-act structure so they could fit in an extra zone per game or something

@Glitchfishy 2 года назад

The sarcasm is so good in this video, I thought you were being honest throughout it all, Great job :D!

@Eldarin 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it…yeah I like to stir the pot for the fun of it lmao. I may do actual reviews on some of the games, not sure yet. Thanks for watching

@ihaventshoweredintwoweeks8318 2 года назад

Sonic riders flopped ?? That game was amazing as fuck.

@Eldarin 2 года назад

yeah unfortunately, back in the day it got panned by reviewers…I agree it’s incredible. not sure on sales though

@ikagura 2 года назад

Too little levels when Mario Kart had much more

@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 года назад

@@ikagura That's Rider's only flaw

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rac1equalsbestgame853 And complicated gameplay with little to no tutorials. Kirby Air Ride is better.

@rac1equalsbestgame853 2 года назад

@@ikagura The complicated gameplay is what makes Riders so much fun to get good at. Yeah, the terrible tutorial is a bad thing but it is soo much fun to get good at!

@Glamgirl4ever14 2 года назад

Loved this video, Eldarin! :D

@gumbo342 2 года назад

Always a great day when there's a new eldarin video :)

@Eldarin 2 года назад

Glad you enjoy it!

@guffitrash Год назад

Never knew how much Episode I was hyped up, just thought it went "poof I'm here" alongside a few trailers.

@sonicfeetfanatictheyresoju1987 2 года назад

Great vid bro! That foott question that sega proposed actually sounds pretty interesting! Erm... maybe you should make a video about it sometime. Not forcing you but I'd love the opputunity to watch it with a snack and some orange juice. Peace!

@sonic40001 2 года назад

Unpopular opinion (probably): Sonic Pocket Adventure and Advance 1 are the worthy candidates for the actual name of Sonic 4. Among the games released before the actual 4, I mean.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Pocket Adventure had Modern Sonic so no.

@sonic40001 2 года назад

@@ikagura Sonic, yes, with the green eye thing. Even though Eggman shifted between Classic Robotnik and Modern design. Funny, that.

@ArtseyHayton06 2 года назад

@@sonic40001 well, it could've been a transitional gamem

@sonic40001 2 года назад

@@ArtseyHayton06 it is

@ArtseyHayton06 2 года назад

@@sonic40001 but knowing Sega, they wouldn't acknowledge it.

@andyz6306 2 года назад

God I remember watching the teaser and leak in real time as it was going on back then. It was pretty disappointing to me as I never wanted a fake classic game like this.

@ikagura 2 года назад

At least Mania exists.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura overrated

@chestersyoutube3794 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 what about sonic origina

@chestersyoutube3794 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 origins

@SuperFang1 2 года назад

@@ikagura Lol many years later. But yea mania is basically the real sonic 4.

@SonicStation 2 года назад

I think this video was really good and it approached well the topic of Sonic 4! There were 2 things that you didn't mention probably because you didn't know so I will leave extra info here :) - Sonic The Portable has been officially confirmed to be the name on the first iOS build of the game (the one with the Rush model). If you stand still on that version you get an idle animation where Sonic grabs a phone and dances to the sound of the stage music and if you really zoom in you can see a small even less recognizable Sonic The Portable logo (I have a playthrough of this build in my channel if anyone wants to check out) - Sonic the Hedgehog 4 as a whole had a Flash Microsite with tons of info featuring 3d models, gifs, detailed descriptions and more. The most interesting part is that this marks the first retcon to Sonic 3 & Knuckles story as a whole. It makes so Super Emeralds are not a thing, Knuckles becomes friends with Sonic at Mushroom Hill due to being betrayed by Eggman who sent an Eggrobo due to Knuckles failing to stop Sonic in Launch Base Zone (making so Knuckles campaign happens at the same time as Sonic and not after as it should be) and describes Super Sonic fighting the Death Egg Robot in Doomsday Zone while Super Knuckles fights Super Mecha Sonic in Sky Sanctuary with BOTH happening at the same time and BOTH saving the Master Emerald in 2 different places AT THE SAME TIME! (There is also a video of this in my channel if anyone is interested). Either way sorry for adding this little comment just found it would be good to give a more complete info on details many miss. Take care and keep up the great work Eldarin!

@Epsilonsama 2 года назад

Who ever wrote that page never played Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Knuckles game happened after Sonic campaign cause on Angel Island you can see the background it's in the air as opposed to Sonic where it's in the surface.

@supermariof0521 2 года назад

4:48 Dammit Dan Schnider! Who let you write that question?!

@nazomius7033 2 года назад

Played this game 10 years ago, and I did have fun playing it, while enjoying the music. I do see, though, how people don’t like how Episode 1 didn’t make anything really original and the glitches that were present

@benmalsky9834 2 года назад

Generations is my most favorite Sonic game and I think it handled nostalgia very well.

@gabrielmurillo1137 2 года назад

Pretty sure it was painful making the intro for this video lol either way awesome video like always

@immortallix 2 года назад

I'd argue Sonic Advance 1 is very much classic sonic, and Dimps made a lot of good stuff prior to sonic 4.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Advance 1 is Modern.

@sezunemizuhana3870 2 года назад

@@ikagura ikagura shut up.

@beauwalker9820 2 года назад

@@ikagura I think he meant close to the Classic games in gameplay, quality, and physics/play control. Plus Sonic Advance is now 20 years old. It's older now then the first Sonic game was when Sonic Adventure first came out in 1999.

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@beauwalker9820 It's still a Modern Sonic game. Anyway Mania is the true Sonic 4.

@Epsilonsama 2 года назад

@@ikagura Advance 1 was made by the team behind Sonic Pocket Adventure and both games engine were a recreation of the Genesis games with momentum based physics and what not but Advance 1 later levels forshadowed how future Dimps games will be, with the over abundance of bottomless pits, annoying enemy placement and momentum braking gimmicks and level design.

@ultimatesmash5er666 2 года назад

Despite what people say about the game, I personally enjoyed sonic 4 episode 1 and 2. I played it on mobile, Xbox 360, and just recently on my PC. I didn't mind the physics and thought it was a pretty fun game

@getsufuma2597 Год назад

As a kid who had grown up with Genesis sonic, and someone who did not keep up with any of the 3d games, I saw sonic 4 ep 1 on the xblm one day and thoroughly enjoyed my purchases

@constantinosfudas3785 Год назад

I played one zone on an Ipad and noticed "episode 1" i will never go beyond that

@Sonicfalcon16 2 года назад

You know whats weird I like 4 well enough and people didnt like it but when episode 2 came out I feel like level design got worse if Im playing white park act 2, oil desert, flying section in Sky Fortress Zone. I also played with with only playing the advance games under my belt

@seamistseamist 2 года назад

I wish sega would use an actual genesis sound chip or something when trying to make genesis like music

@mariofox6643 2 года назад

Not Sonic 4 related but I personally miss other playable sonic characters I felt that was one of the few positives from Sonic 06 as many characters had their own unique moveset. I'm not saying every sonic game should be like that but it would be nice to have a 3D Sonic game with other characters again as it can work with enough time put into it.

@LuceoX30 2 года назад

Not even 5 minutes in, and you already distracted me from the fact you were talking about Sonic 4!

@ZM256. 2 года назад

Hey it has been awhile since I commented on any of your videos. It was fun to see you basically do a round 2 of the Sonic 4 saga while also going more in depth with the development. I found a post by Kevin Eva (who was a former community manager for the Sega Europe branch and was also under the username “ArchangelUK” on Sonic Retro) talking about how it was someone’s idea to name the then untitled mobile game as Sonic 4. He never names the individual I suppose because he isn’t allowed to or just out of respect for privacy but here is a transcript of what he said spanning three tweets: _“Of course, Sonic 4 was an abject disaster. Mainly because someone arbitrarily decided a WIP title to test see if episodic content would work should suddenly be as important a title to the company as Sonic F**king 4. The person to blame for that should have been f**king fired. People demanded they were fired. They weren't. Were protected by those around them and I think given more power in the short term. Because games industry._ _I actually asked to be taken OUT of the credits for S4, it so railed (gleefully at times) against what should've and needed to be done which would end up being realised by Sonic Mania, (cheers boys super proud of ya) and I wanted no part of such a fundamental misstep.”_ Source: archive.ph/Bnd09 Also how could you bring up the 19th birthday contest without bringing up this classic which came from it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DCIUfek7y2M.html One last thing, I thought it pretty funny that in the Sonic 2 movie the name Splash Hill was referenced on a truck for a water bottle company to which Knuckles then immediately destroys. I feel like that was a subtle jab at the game by showing it in this manner.

@Eldarin 2 года назад

Hey ZM, hope you have been good! Thanks for commenting and checking the video out. Always bringing new info to the table I never knew hahaha. That is so funny to me about the individual being taken out of the credits of Sonic 4 due to the naming situation....imagine being in that situation lol. I have actually spoke with Mr. Eva, when I was doing the Blaze video, he's an incredibly nice guy, small world he was the one who broke that regarding the whole naming thing. Also that birthday contest submission you linked is hilarious, now im hitting myself over the head regarding not putting that in the video LOL. Thanks again for watching and the support on the channel!!

@ZM256. 2 года назад

@@Eldarin I always enjoy sharing any information I find! I saw that Blaze video when you first uploaded it so I had actually forgotten you already were in contact with Kevin Eva. If I did take anything from that Blaze video, now that I have the opportunity to tell you, it was that I at least now know that those conceptual images of Blaze in all black were actually from a legitimate source as I couldn’t find where exactly they came from before I saw that video so I thought they may have just been fan made initially. It’s great to know you saw that birthday contest submission video. The following shot from where I linked with the guy running close to the camera is so funny with that face he is making. I remember seeing that specific part used as a GIF in some forums which is how I discovered that video since I wanted to know where it came from. Thanks for responding and giving a heart to my comment too by the way.

@eldartaghiyev8422 2 года назад

We least know that Sonic 4 episode 3 would have Knuckles.

@rickeybat 2 года назад

I don't care what anyone says Sonic Riders was a good game.

@Eldarin 2 года назад

agreed. if you havent yet, make sure to check out the modding scene on it

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

I feel the same about shadow 05, easily one of my favorite GameCube games

@rickeybat 2 года назад

The multiple endings gimic was a love hate relationship for me. The music was awesome though. I AM ALL OF MEEEEEEE!

@GMDTheOnyxGuyEizzX 2 года назад

15:50 This Eggman right here... *He is wonderful!*

@75JUNAKI Год назад

Agreed

@dr.shakib9961 Год назад

The extras song never fails to make me feel melancholic.

@gamingwitamari8356 2 года назад

I think Sonic 4 Episode 1 is in my top 5 WORSE Sonic games ever list…………. episode 2 is ok

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

U TOO U DIDN'T WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO FIRST WATCH THEN COMMENT

@theminecraft2516 2 года назад

Nah Free Riders,Labyrinth, Rol, Secret Rings, Sonic Spinball Gamegear, Sonic Blast, 3D Blast, Drift,Drift 2 are all worse

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@theminecraft2516 2006?

@gamingwitamari8356 2 года назад

@@ikagura 🤔

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura this is far worse

@EXFOOLYCOOLY 2 года назад

My problem is the game shouldve been under a different name just to avoid the hate and not expect too much. I do agree sonic 4 ep 1 is very flawed and felt like it was trying to go for a remake lol. Sonic 4 ep 2 was more enjoyable and improved it more. Shame tho i wouldve liked an ep 3. Eh i still give sonic props they least try different stuff for him unlike some series where you played one you played them all

@EXFOOLYCOOLY 2 года назад

@@secoTheSonicFan didnt realize that thank you

@Gentou76 Год назад

For a speedy hedgehog he is always left in the dust by a certain plumber.

@cannon9009 Год назад

Didn't the mobile game deadass end on a cliffhanger of Sonic just being like "Well, I hope there's another game so everyone finds out what happens next!" and then... that "another game" never happened lol

@NezzySetApart 2 года назад

I loved this era 2010-2016 for geek culture, since the world was changing, this type of stuff was always exciting and fun. 😭

@aaronsarchive82 2 года назад

As a hardcore fan who is older than Sonic himself, thank you for making this vid and being respectful to my generation that grew up with the Genesis games. Sonic's fanbase nowadays is mostly younger fans, so I feel like we usually take a backseat more often than not when it comes to video retrospectives. It's understandable, though. It's been 20 plus years since SA2 and there's a new generation who is nostalgic for their own era of Modern Sonic games (which I am also nostalgic for). It makes sense that they outnumber us at this point. Their voices deserve to be heard, as many people from my era seem to have stopped playing the games or just aren't as vocal in the fanbase. I truly enjoyed S4 Ep1 when it came out. It definitely had some problems. The modern movements like the dash attack worked way better in the Advance games. Sonic's physics really should have felt more old school. They felt off for some reason. For example, Sonic would jump straight down without rolling into a ball. Little things like that made the game look nostalgic yet feel like a pale imitation of what it was trying to emulate. I still enjoyed it for what it was.

@seangarry8208 Месяц назад

The real sonic 4 was the misery we suffered through along the way

@doctorquack1399 2 года назад

You didn't have to show that last piece of 'concept art' from the first part of Project Needlemouse And yet here we are :'(

@cubedtothex 2 года назад

I can’t believe they just left the Little Planet like that. Ten years later the cliffhanger is still unresolved…So sad considering how much better episode 2 was.

@wildberrysherbert3803 Год назад

At least with the current status of the canon (you and me and everyone is inclined to make their own canon) we can just headcanon it to where the glass broke off overtime.

@nickytembo4112 7 месяцев назад

@@wildberrysherbert3803I just consider Sonic 4 non canon tbh.

@wildberrysherbert3803 7 месяцев назад

@@nickytembo4112 Or that, that works too.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

In hindsight and with what we’ve been getting since colors, I really miss the “dark era”

@ikagura 2 года назад

No thanks, Colours was actually a good Modern 3D Sonic game and Mania was the best game since the genesis era. I'd take these over ShadOw the edge and 06 all day.

@haaxxx9 2 года назад

I prefer the Dark era over the Meta era. At least the Dark era TRIED to be different rather than play it safe and desperately try to fit in with the "cool kids" with the Meta era. Completely destroyed Sonic personally (and others) with shitty social media accounts, Sonic WAS cool, because he have his own motives and a rebellious sprit. Best example was the Story book series. Only three good meta games that is mostly consistent is Colors, Generations and Mania. Rest are just average or mediocre at best. Everyone can tear 06 apart being a buggy mess but those games don't hold your hand like in Forces. Hell from what I saw with a fan patching of Project '06 the levels looks way more fun than in forces, the structure is already there but no time to polish it out sadly. Edit: Minor spelling and formatting.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura shadow was a fun game and I will defend until the day I die

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@haaxxx9 agreed

@inendlesspain4724 2 года назад

@@ikagura I don't know why whenever people talk shit about the dark era they always bring up the same two games: Shadow 05 and Sonic 06. What about the advance and rush games? What about Riders? What about Unleashed? There were quite a few decent titles back then but they always get overshadowed by those two. Oh, and also the meta era had Boom ROL so...

@AHylianWarrior 2 года назад

Dang, that was a good video lol I didn't play either episodes myself because I didn't think it was worth my money and...well, I guess it truly wasn't heh

@freezeframeplease Год назад

i don't even like sonic games that much but damn you're entertaining 20+ minutes fast as a breeze !

@bombproofrazor 2 года назад

I might be the odd man out but I adored sonic riders back in the day and thought it was really fun, it could be nostalgia blinding me but it was a nice change of pace especially how much I loved kart racers.

@Kitsunami91 2 года назад

The winter zone from Episode 2 shows up in the IDW comics, by the way.

@Eldarin 2 года назад

no way! that’s sick, I didn’t know that!

@BlueSatoshi Год назад

The story of the Sonic CD remaster's pretty neat in of itself because it basically amounted to Taxman dropped a proof of concept trailer, followed by a bunch of comments in the Sega blog going "Sega, hire this man!".

@candiecalifornia5601 Год назад

I must have been different. i played sonic 1 to 3 on sega gen and when sonic went away for a bit and showed back up on game cube i was stoked me and my buddy bought it from the store and we sang the sonic sat am sonic all the way home. we were so stoked to see sonic of the screen again. to this day sonic 1 2 3 and s a2 are my all time fave sonic games.

@QF_Dan72 2 года назад

I cant believe they have the guts to call this Sonic 4 ,tarnishing the reputation of the first three games and then have to rely on some loyal fans to make a good Sonic game. It feels like Sonic Team is out of touch

@ikagura 2 года назад

Glad Whitehead is still full in touch with what made Sonic actually good.

@cakelayer 2 года назад

Youre acting like this game came out recently, get over it, this game came out 12 years ago and only NOW are people hating it

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@cakelayer Not now. Not at all.

@callinater6133 2 года назад

Sonic team didn’t make sonic 4

@ikagura 2 года назад

Sonic Mania is the real Sonic 4.

@sezunemizuhana3870 2 года назад

ikagura shut up. Mania 10/10 tho.

@ultimate-titus Год назад

Sad to see this unfinished but we needed to move on to bigger and better things

@captainnintendo 2 года назад

One thing I remember from the Sega forums is that Sega would do a shoutout video on youtube, where they would list all the people who had purchased Sonic 4: Episode 1 on all 4 platforms (iOS, PS3, 360, Wii) and proved it with some kind of photo evidence on the forums.

@augustbornone Год назад

I've always enjoye Sonic The Hedgehog 4 ep 1 & 2, and after my second playthrough of Sonic Mania a year ago, I can safely say that I (Flamed Sheild up) perfuse Sonic the Hedgehog 4 ep 1 & 2 for its FAR more forgiven level design, and I am still hoping for a Sonic the Hedgehog ep 3, there is still hope.

@KarimJovian 2 года назад

sonic mania should have been called Sonic 4

@75JUNAKI 2 года назад

Personally, I don’t think they should as I feel that game was more like Sonic Generation’s but just all Classic Sonic. Plus Forces is the sequel to Sonic Mania Plus so I would call that Sonic.T.H.5.

@petergriffinsbrother2499 Год назад

I mean having two games called sonic 4 would get confusing

@munt_master Год назад

5:51 does anyone know where this picture is from? I need it for school of course

@Samevi Год назад

The full story of Sonic 4 Episode 1 is actually a tragedy. It was originally just a neat little project Dimps was working on, but SEGA and Sonic Team pressured them into making it "Sonic 4" and gave them two years to make it a success while also porting it to all modern consoles and mobile devices, severely hindering their ability to make a focused experience. Genuinely feel bad for them.

@miguelandreu1717 Год назад

Yeah Dimps are hated on too much. They made the Advance games, Rush and DS Colours, they were fine.

@HOTD108_ 2 года назад

All due respect, but I don't think you know what nostalgia is. Nostalgia is when you like something just because you grew up with it and not because it was actually any good otherwise. So, killing nostalgia would actually be a good thing. The problem with Sonic 4 is that is expected people to like it just because of nostalgia, instead of actually being a good game in it's own right.

@ikagura 2 года назад

Mania is nostalgia done right.

@shwingleman 2 года назад

Sonic 4 is definitely one of the games ever made

@moosesues8887 2 года назад

Kirby super star is definitely one of the games to exist

@mudafucca4420 2 года назад

@@moosesues8887 Talking as if Kirby Super Star wasnt a good game

@moosesues8887 2 года назад

@@mudafucca4420 zero sugar smash bros

@hugoflores1093 2 года назад

Ah i remember buying Episode I on Wii Ware and be constantly waiting for Episode 2 to arrive... I never played Episode 2

@loziclec.1295 2 года назад

Not sure what this is worth, but I remember an old Sonic Stadium article where the writer played the E3 demo of Donkey Kong Country Returns' co-op with Takashi Iizuka. I wonder if that had any influence on Episode II.

@ikagura 2 года назад

The new Donkey Kong Country games are not as good as the SNES ones but they were still good.

@jamesborlan2850 2 года назад

Great video Yeah sonic 4 is definitely overhated Now granted I can understand why some may hate the game but I do feel the backlash (especially the green eye controversy) has gone way too far Then again I guess I understood why the controversy happened this was at the time when studios (any kind) can expect people to accept mediocrity for cash Hence why you have not only the classic sonic elitists, and later the dark age fans but also groups like gamergate and the fandom menace being responses to the changing landscape of entertainment Great video and I’m glad that a history video surrounding sonic 4 exists

@Eldarin 2 года назад

i didn’t mention it in the video, but I never saw but always heard about the green eye controversy online. when I was sifting thru the comments in the acrhived websites for the video, I finally saw how heated that got first hand hahaha. idk I love both sonics. i also enjoy s4e2 personally

@ikagura 2 года назад

There is no overhated Sonic games, plenty of overrated ones tho.

@jamesborlan2850 2 года назад

@@ikagura oh I don’t know there are sonic games that some may consider overhated I do agree that there do exist overrated sonic games

@mondaindoodles8667 2 года назад

Can you please do sonic and the black knight.

@TheVileOne 2 года назад

Good and fair review

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

Awesome video

@Un1ntel_gent 2 года назад

WAKE UP ELDARIAN UPLOADED

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

NO WAY U DIDN'T WATCH THE WHOLE VIDEO

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

DUDE HE HAVE A LIFE OUTSIDE OF RU-vid

@Cliffordlonghead 2 года назад

HOW WILL U LIKE IF I SPAM WHERE THE PINNED COMMENT WHEN U POPULAR.

@Un1ntel_gent 2 года назад

@@Cliffordlonghead bro what did I do? I just commented before watching the video.

@lemmyleopoldkoopa9264 Год назад

5:50 hear me out tho-

@maryo_7224 Год назад

Im hearing you out

@byjohan832 2 года назад

Meh, i enjoyed Sonic 4 episode 1 and 2. I noticed the second one was more polished and better, but episode 1 presented some ideas that i really liked. Plus the music in both episodes is pretty much perfect. You can vibe to every single one of the themes. Thank you for making this video!

@ViewpointProd 2 года назад

Not gonna mention that sonic 4 was made aware to the public prior to any annoumcent through ALTON TOWERS sonic spinball ride retheme? that we got the reveal of GHZs design, and Rodger Craig as the voice of sonic from then on

@sussy-sonic 2 года назад

Sonic 4 was praised simply for just getting rid of what people didn't like in prior games, Sonic mania is much closer to a sonic 4 even though it isn't sonic 4, excited to see more content

@ikagura 2 года назад

Sonic 4 was not praised and Mania is the real Sonic 4

@porygon-z8270 2 года назад

@@ikagura read again, buddy

@sussy-sonic 2 года назад

It was praised back in 2010 when it first came out

@gamingnubs7628 2 года назад

@@sussy-sonic no? Even back in 2010 people were shitting on it. The whole reason the physics were changed in the first place was due to an Xbox 360 build being leaked through a dev online service. People were already hating on it before it even got a release.

@sussy-sonic 2 года назад

@@gamingnubs7628 Ok, so I suppose they're were a few people who disliked it, but trust me when I say that back in the day, people (mainly critics) were praising it (albeit for what it wasnt like Octo ooz said) but barely anyone likes it now as they say it's forgettable or outright insulting to the classics

@RoboticEdward 2 года назад

"Mr. Needlemouse" is not Sonic's prototype name. In reality it's a mistranslation of what Hedgehog is spelled in Japanese, being 針鼠(harinezumi), the first Kanji meaning "needle" and the 2nd meaning "mouse". This means that even Sega never understood the origin of their own mascot when Sonic 4 was being made.

@kodakasaur9518 2 года назад

Thought it was just an ascended meme (also Mr. Needlemouse just sounds cooler than Mr. Hedgehog)

@RoboticEdward 2 года назад

@@kodakasaur9518 It may sound cool but it doesn't change the fact that it's wrong. I'm not really fond of mistranslations being considered gospel when there's an obvious flaw. Granted I also don't think having a better translation saves the plot of something (such as Metroid: Other M) but it's important to acknowledge stuff like that.

@wingedangel6030 2 года назад

If Sonic 4 destroyed nostalgia then I guess everything after was desecrating the corpse of nostalgia

@askaykeeners8712 Год назад

I still remember this game being on a sonic archie comic ad being praised as a return to the classic 2d style

@pineapplemarshmallow9008 2 года назад

19:05 So Metal Sonic is a bad bitch?

@Eldarin 2 года назад

*yes*

@veggsbacon1891 2 года назад

Sonic 4, the beginning of the dreadful dry meta decade of cringe. Thanks, game journalists and whiny sonic fans. 😃👎🏽👎🏽👎🏽

@d3-penguin954 2 года назад

Thankfully it seems like they are finally stepping away from that. I just hope sonic frontiers is gonna be good.

@ikagura 2 года назад

"dreadful dry meta decade of cringe" Colors and Gens are better than Shadow and 2006 but ok.

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura loser

@moosesues8887 2 года назад

@@d3-penguin954 why am I subscribed to you

@veggsbacon1891 2 года назад

@@ikaguraThis "meta era" only has 3 good games, colors (though now more fans are getting sick of it) Generations, and Mania. Classic and Adventure/"dArK" era games have more good games. Sure some were mediocre, but at least they tried instead of playing it safe for the dumb kidz. I'd rather a wtf game like Shadow over Colors (great soundtrack) because of how unironically silly it is. Plus P-06 made me appreciate 06 more, gameplay and level design wise.

@6DADADA 2 года назад

Sonic 4 ep 1 frustrated me so much with its jank levels and special stages. I was so mad, that I did it all in one sitting because I didn't want to play it anymore. Never bothered with episode 2

@ArendAlphaEagle 2 года назад

It's funny to me that the one Sonic 4 reference in Sonic Generations was the Super Sonic theme. It starts with the first riff from Live and Learn... but then it plays the Super Sonic theme from Sonic 4 instead XD

@CutBackDropTurn 2 года назад

Hey Eldarin, I don’t know if you remember me, but I’ve always loved your videos. This one seemed really, really negative though and unlike your typical content. Usually, you’re such a positive force for Sonic and the development of the games, so I’m a bit surprised. Regardless, thank you very much for making this video and for all of your hard work!

@Eldarin 2 года назад

Hey Dennis! I appreciate the constructive criticism and ofc I remember your support of the channel. I know it may have sounded rather negative but I was trying to give the perspective of the normies view and reviewers view (not mine) on sonic at the time of 2009 when discussing the other games, atop this sonic 4 did have quite the controversial development cycle. I do plan to also go more in-depth with a few of the games I discussed in the video comes the future, but heed not I have not turned into the jaded cynical RU-vidr...well... let's see how sonic frontiers turns out hahaha. Anyways, hope you are doing well and appreciate the kind words about the hard work/thanks on the video. If there are any other questions let me know!

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@Eldarin Cynicism is the only way to appreciate Sonic

@rankrodent2772 2 года назад

@@ikagura yeah keep telling yourself that, kid..

@CutBackDropTurn 2 года назад

@@Eldarin - Thanks for your reply. I can understand how you felt and I appreciate you replying to clarify things to me. You’re always so good at staying in touch with your community! Thank you so much!

@ikagura 2 года назад

@@rankrodent2772 calling me kid but I guess you're not that old either.