The Bahá'i Faith [Part 1] - Origins & The Báb 

Same here. Agreed.

@@Ben-pu7jl No.

I second this.

🤒🙏

Thankyou for you spiritually evolved intelligence your forthright truth an most of all being a believer in justice we are all 1 on 1 planet an we all have a part to play in this GOLDEN AGE

Thank you for commenting, and I'm glad you are happy with the way I presented the subject :)

I'm Bahai too. He does a great job presenting all the different ones.

I was just about to make the exact same comment as the above! Extremely well researched - certainly appreciated the nuance of the respectful picture choices 🙏🏽

Baha'i faith is not even a religion nor a cult, it's a modern ideology that combines multi-religion believes. It's just a waste of time.

We are all entitled to opinions. Opinions are sometimes biased due to circumstances and environments., 👋 🌎..waste of time.? No time is wasted it may get misused voluntarily or unintended.. regardless of where the time went or how, understanding and acknowledging that life is the journey of obtaining true knowledge through experience feast or famine, then articulate how to input your thoughts proactively.. ☮️ ☯️ good luck spread positivity and open mindsets 🙏

I was thinking the same myself! (I'm distantly related to William Miller.)

I think there was a lot of overlap behind the scenes. If not earth in the heavens.

YES! And then out of the Millerites came the Seventh Day Adventists. I have been read a lot about them.

Baha'is affirm both in one.

The Millerites and others deciphered properly the embedded timeline for the Return. The Time, Two Times, and Half a Time, each time a Divine Year of 360 "Days"; each "Day" equalling a year. So, exactly 1260 years, the exact length of time from the Hejira of Islam to the Declaration of the Bab, which occurred in the year 1844 of the Christian calendar. It is one of the clearest evidences of the truth-claims of the Baha'i Faith. The Being of the Prophet-Founders and Their Writings being two other superior evidences. Love.

Mine have been glued for 60 years now. We are so fortunate to have SO much reliable information about the history and teachings of our Faith!

If you really wish to understand the Baha'i Faith, listen to or read Nabil's Narrative about the early days of the intertwined Babi and Baha'i Faiths. The STORY of the Faith is extraordinary and extraordinarily compelling. Love.

@@wendyscott8425 Gobineau has written of the Bāb having come into contact with Jews and Christians in his youth, while Keddie states that “the Bāb was probably influenced by Christian ideas.” (The Bab and the Babi Community of Iran, Edited by Fereydun Vahman) "He was seen by some Armenian carpenters, who were sent to make some repairs in his prison, reading the Bible, and he took no pains to conceal it, but on the contrary told them of it." (DR. CORMICK ON THE BAB, PERSONAL INTERVIEW BY W. A. SHEDD)

You must have a pure reflective soul. This may be the most important discovery of one’s life. Happy searching!

what a waste of time

@@mohamedghanbari2423 hush moe

@@mohamedghanbari2423 learn to love all people then you elevate your soul.

The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.

Quite correct, Wayfarer1844! I just subscribed. :)

The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.

Why would you follow the religion of a man who warped another religion? Why not follow the source?

@@aibel99 basically what they did with Christianity. Jesus introduced a new form of Judaism and his followers warped it into a whole new religion.

@@AtamMardes people dispute the validity of miracles simply because they didn’t see them, at the same time we can’t say 100% these are made up stories. Maybe they’re a little exaggerated but God is Great and is surely capable of allowing these things to happen.

We were Muslim also and become Baha’i

What do I think of Jesus Christ. @@user-zt6nm5gz4g

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Exactly what Muslims believe. The error of Bahaullah‘s followers from a Muslim point of view (especially the Ismaili Shia from whom Bahai‘s derived just as the Druze and Alawites) is that Bahaullah didn‘t fulfill the prophecies and qualities coming with the Mahdi

@@melihderman870 that’s because the Bab is the Mahdi.

As a Bahai...great description.

The fake miracle story that Báb survived the first round of firing squad's 750 bullets was made up just like Moses parting the Red Sea, resurrection of Jesus, and other religious miracle stories were made up by people making up fake testimonials on behalf of others who lived in the past.

@@melihderman870 Yeah, Bahá'i Faith is like that classmate who copy your homework and promise you to change it a little bit.

It is a cult. Here are some of the cult-like tendencies in the Baha'i Faith that are not found in other major religions: 1. Each Baha'i has a 'membership card' with a membership number. 2. Strict censorship and approval process for new books. 3. Punishments against individuals for perceived infractions include deprivation of voting rights and potential ostracism and shunning. 4. Ban on Baha'i Studies courses to prevent hierarchy formation perceived as a threat to the administrative structure. 5. Suppression of Baha'i academics who don't follow the party line and agenda. 6. Misuse of the notion of "unity" to silence and penalise divergent views. 7. Discouragement from reporting misconduct of individual members in the interests of "unity" and public image. 8. Selective translation of literature to control information and maintain a marketable narrative despite internal contradictions. 9. Revisionist edits in new editions of books (e.g. removal of failed prophecies and intolerant language). 10. Frequent fundraising for projects to enhance global image.

Alláh-u-Abhá! Welcome to the Cause of God for this new Day of God.

@@wendyscott8425 Welcome to the Baha'i cult.

Mee too.... Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and ancient Celtic and Lithuanian paganism and shamanism has really a lot in common from rituals to god's to a lotta stuff. I really hope he makes a video on that.

If I interpreted your comment correctly, you might be interested in Crecganford. They have a channel talking about Indo-European religious culture, which spanned from the Celts and Northern Europe, all the way through ancient Greece, Iran, and India!

There is a book I read saying that Zoroaster is Joseph from the bible and no one mentioned it but the 3 wise men were Zoroastrian magi

@@sepperD3 Do you remember what book. That's interesting, the Magi part is for sure. Cyrus is also mentioned as a "man of God" in the Old Testament.

Thanks! I've seen one of your videos on Baha'i cosmology actually! Great stuff!

@@LetsTalkReligion I saw one of your video about "Wahdatul Wujood" it reminded me of the Baha'i Cosmology. _Baha'u'llah lived for a time as a Sufi and picked up ideas from his Naqshbandi teachers in Kurdistan, Baghdad, and possibly elsewhere (see Cole 1984) He had earlier had an affiliation to the Iranian Ni'matullahi brotherhood. Many of his writings are saturated with Sufi belief, just as the Bab’s are filled with occult and magical conceits._ (Denis MacEoin, Making the invisible visible: introductory books on the Baha'i religion (the Baha'i Faith)) www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0048721X.2012.705975

Yes the connection between Bahaullah's teachings and the school of Ibn Arabi is fascinating, I've noticed a lot of similarities. I dedicated a long section of part 2 to this question but had to cut it out to keep the video lenght a little tighter. Could do a video on it in the future though!

@@LetsTalkReligion "In Istanbul, every day at noon Bahá'u'lláh would go to the Mosque of Sultán Muhammad and there recite the prayer in the manner of Islam" (Ustád Muhammad-`Alíy-i Salmání, MY MEMORIES OF BAHÁ'U'LLÁH, pp. 38-39)

@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 do you have a channel?

Sufi Muslims are more like this, however also quite diverse

"Though sprung from Shi'ih Islam, and regarded, in the early stages of its development, by the followers of both the Muslim and Christian Faiths, as an obscure sect, an Asiatic cult or an offshoot of the Muhammadan religion, this Faith is now increasingly demonstrating its right to be recognized, not as one more religious system superimposed on the conflicting creeds which for so many generations have divided mankind and darkened its fortunes, but rather as a restatement of the eternal verities underlying all the religions of the past..." -Shoghi Effendi

@@NaserEmtesali I don't know where you got your quote from - but he doesn't talk like that. I think you are way off base!

@@suzysview1 bahai-library.net/english/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=70:summary-statement-1947-special-un-committee-on-palestine&catid=3:shoghi-effendi&Itemid=4

@@NaserEmtesali That was very nice of you to provide that quote that verifies what Suzy said. The Baha'i Faith was regarded as a sect or offshoot by both Muslim and Christian sources, but it is indeed an independent world religion. This has been confirmed by the ruling of more than one court of law. Why don't you go find yourself a religion that agrees with you and devote all your time and energy to that? Or at least go make up your own religion and you can have it all your way. Do you also follow around ex-girlfriends and ex-wives, and warn potential suitors of all the ways you imagine that they "done you wrong"?

Shaykhism would not attract more views. RU-vidrs make money through their talent. If the efforts are not yielding any gains then why would anyone waste his time.

Could be an interesting subject! Would have to do more research firsr though!

@@LetsTalkReligion I’ve always been interested in shaykism, hit a dead end when trying to research.

It's interesting when stories mirror each other, either on purpose or not. Like when Baha'ullah sent letters to the world leaders of his time; an obvious attempt to mirror the letters sent by Prophet Muhammad to different emperors.

Bahai is just like Ahmadi and Ismaili religion.Many people claimed to be prophets after the death of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). And Almost all of these so called new Prophets tried to copy Prophet Muhammed(PBUH). They Eliminated Things in Islam what they didnt liked and called it an upgrade or an update to the religion.

@@osamaanees8406*Shoghi Effendi about Islam* Strange, incredibly strange, must appear the position of this most powerful branch of the Islamic Faith (Sunni), with no outward and visible head to voice its sentiments and convictions, its unity irretrievably shattered, its radiance obscured, its law undermined, its institutions thrown into hopeless confusion. This institution that had challenged the inalienable, divinely appointed rights of the Imáms of the Faith of Muḥammad, had, after the revolution of thirteen centuries, vanished like a smoke, an institution which had dealt such merciless blows to a Faith Whose Herald was Himself a descendant of the Imáms, the lawful successors of the Apostle of God. To what else could this remarkable prophecy, enshrined in the Lawḥ-i-Burhán, allude if not to the downfall of this crowned overlord of Sunní Muslims? “O concourse of Muslim Divines! Because of you the people were abased, and the banner of Islám was hauled down, and its mighty throne subverted.” What of the indubitably clear and amazing prophecy recorded in the Qayyúm-i-Asmá? “Erelong We will, in very truth, torment such as waged war against Ḥusayn [Imám Ḥusayn], in the Land of the Euphrates, with the most afflictive torment, and the direst and most exemplary punishment.” What other interpretation can this Muḥammadan tradition be given? “In the latter days a grievous calamity shall befall My people at the hands of their ruler, a calamity such as no man ever heard to surpass it.” This was not all, however. The disappearance of the Caliph, the spiritual head of above two hundred million Muḥammadans, brought in its wake, in the land that had dealt Islám such a heavy blow, the annulment of the sharí’ah canonical Law, the disendowment of Sunní institutions, the promulgation of a civil Code, the suppression of religious orders, the abrogation of ceremonials and traditions inculcated by the religion of Muḥammad. The Shaykhu’l-Islám and his satellites, including muftís, qádís, hujáhs, shaykhs, súfís, ḥájís, mawlavís, dervishes, and others, vanished at a stroke more determined, more open, and drastic than the one dealt the Shí’ihs by the Sháh and his government. The mosques of the capital, the pride and glory of the Islamic world, were deserted, and the fairest and most famous of them all, the peerless St. Sophia, “the Second Firmament,” “the Vehicle of the Cherubim,” converted by the blatant creators of a secular regime into a museum. The Arabic tongue, the language of the Prophet of God, was banished from the land, its alphabet was superseded by Latin characters, and the Qur’án itself translated into Turkish for the few who still cared to read it. The constitution of the new Turkey not only proclaimed formally the disestablishment and disendowment of Islám, with all its attendant and, in the view of some, atheistic enactments, but also heralded various measures that aimed at its further humiliation and weakening. Even the city of Constantinople, “the Dome of Islám,” apostrophized in such condemnatory terms by Bahá’u’lláh, which, after the fall of Byzantium, had been hailed by the great Constantine as “the New Rome,” and exalted to the rank of the metropolis of both the Roman Empire and of Christendom, and subsequently revered as the seat of the Caliphs, was relegated to the position of a provincial city and stripped of all its pomp and glory, its soaring and slender minarets standing sentinel at the grave of so much vanished splendor and power. “O Spot that art situate on the shores of the two seas!” Bahá’u’lláh has thus apostrophized the Imperial City, in terms that call to mind the prophetic words addressed by Jesus Christ to Jerusalem, “The throne of tyranny hath, verily, been stablished upon thee, and the flame of hatred hath been kindled within thy bosom, in such wise that the Concourse on high, and they who circle around the Exalted Throne, have wailed and lamented. We behold in thee the foolish ruling over the wise, and darkness vaunting itself against the light. Thou art indeed filled with manifest pride. Hath thine outward splendor made thee vainglorious? By Him Who is the Lord of mankind! It shall soon perish, and thy daughters, and thy widows, and all the kindreds that dwell within thee shall lament. Thus informeth thee the All-Knowing, the All-Wise.” Such was the fate that overtook both Shí’ih and Sunní Islám, in the two countries where they had planted their banners and reared their most powerful and far-famed institutions. Such was their fate in these two countries, in one of which Bahá’u’lláh died an exile, and in the other the Báb suffered a martyr’s death. Such was the fate of the self-styled Vicar of the Prophet of God, and of the favorite ministers of the still awaited Imám. “The people of the Qur’án,” Bahá’u’lláh testifies, “have risen against Us, and tormented Us with such a torment that the Holy Spirit lamented, and the thunder roared out, and the clouds wept over Us…. Muḥammad, the Apostle of God, bewaileth, in the all-highest Paradise, their acts.” “A day shall be witnessed by My people,” their own traditions condemn them, “whereon there will have remained of Islám naught but a name, and of the Qur’án naught but a mere appearance. The doctors of that age shall be the most evil the world hath ever seen. Mischief hath proceeded from them, and on them it will recoil.” And again: “Most of His enemies will be the divines. His bidding they will not obey, but will protest saying: ‘This is contrary to that which hath been handed down unto us by the Imáms of the Faith.’” And still again: “At that hour His malediction shall descend upon you, and your curse shall afflict you, and your religion shall remain an empty word on your tongues. And when these signs appear amongst you, anticipate the day when the red-hot wind will have swept over you, or the day when ye will have been disfigured, or when stones will have rained upon you.” -Shoghi Effendi reference.bahai.org/en/t/se/PDC/pdc-24.html

@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 I appreciate your effort but man thats long. Your could have used that time cure cancer or maybe end world hunger. Maybe someday i will read it.

@@osamaanees8406 LOL. It is long. You are right.

Unless it's a leap year...lol. Then they get one more day of "Ha".

"i never come across bahai content" ? Where on earth are you looking?

Very interesting subject. I plan on doing a video on the Hurufis, which is the most famous group associated with the ilm al-huruf, even if the subject itself is much broader. It will also naturally come up constantly when I start exploring the esoteric sides of Islam more.

@@LetsTalkReligion That would be excellent. The Shaykhi teachings, especially Shaykh Ahmad and Siyyid Kazim, are really quite interesting and have tremendous insights. I was recently reading Henri Corbin's book on the series of Muslim esoteric scholars through time.

@El dissidente this is simply not true, Jews in the middle ages were under the Islamicate in Spain (also Jerusalem and other places) and there was friendly intellectual exchanges between what Muslim philosophers and mystics where doing and what Jewish philosophers and mystics had only just begun to do at the time. Jews created Kabbalah and "Gematria" based off these interactions with Muslims at the time. For a myriad of reasons these things later on developed into mysterious cultural cornerstones in Jewish culture but remained more arcane in Muslim culture.

Absolutely. I plan on doing videos on those subjects

@MrUnstableTable Most of the things you've believed all your life were "ripped right out" of your parents. Does that make those beliefs invalid? Does that make your parents more genuine or special than you? All truth comes from God and is revealed to humans through various agencies. There is no copyright on truth. To imply that the Báb plagiarized these concepts is irrelevant. Otherwise, we must imply that the Ismailis ripped them right out of Islam. The point is, all knowledge comes from God, revealed either directly or indirectly.

@@pathfinder1273 Ismailis are Neoplatonists though, not pure Muslims.

According to the Bahá'í teachings, the parts of religion that divide are created by the followers of religion, not by the original teachings. Most of the schisms developed soon after the passing of the various prophets, when certain individuals attempted to wrest power and authority for themselves (or had it assigned to them by the followers, as when Umar campaigned for Abu Bakr to succeed Muhammad). Although there are claims of authoritative successorship (Christ naming Peter as the rock upon which the community would be built, or the Shi'ih Islam claim that upon his deathbed Muhammad named Ali), they were ignored or challenged and that is where the division began. Knowing the importance of uniting the world in its transition to maturity and to globalism, Bahá'u'lláh sought to avoid this and revealed a document as a last will and testament in which He clearly identifies that His eldest son 'Abdu'l-Baha was the authority to which all should turn. 'Abdu'l-Bahá also left a will and testament, naming his grandson Shoghi Effendi. Naturally, there were some who contested these (humans are notoriously bad learners), but the documents were ruled legally binding by the courts of the time. After almost two centuries, the worldwide Bahá'í community continues to be united in its endeavours and its organization. Also, the "spiritual teachings" of all religions agree: love, compassion, generosity, forgiveness, prayer, fasting, truthfulness, kindness, etc. The "social teachings" are what tend to divide people: diet, marriage, divorce, burial, inheritance, dress, etc. You would think we would be perceptive enough to realize that the one category transcends time and place, and so would be more indicative of how we should behave toward each other. But when people tend to seek power and influence, they invariably turn to matters of difference in order to divide, influence, and conquer.

@@pathfinder1273 I must admit to knowing very little about the Bahá'í faith and I thank you for what you have said. However, whilst I can agree that division comes after the prophets and is caused by men, the prophets themselves are not without fault. Although Peter was named as the authority after Jesus, it was Paul, who never met Jesus, who began what we call Christianity, which fits with your idea. But even Jesus, always hailed as loving and kind, could also be harsh and cruel. In the Bible he refuses to treat a sick women because she is not a Jew. He offers the analogy of giving your child's food to the dogs. Deeply unpleasant. Take the Quran as an example. It tells Muslims to love and it tells them to kill. It says to honour people of the book (Christians and Jews) and to fight them. To believe that Islam is only about love and about all the good things you listed is to seriously misunderstand it. There is love and there is compassion but there is also a dark side that comes not from misinterpretation but from a direct reading of the Quran. It is significant that moderates and fundamentalists treat the Quran the same but from opposite perspectives. Each cherry pick the parts they wish to follow or ignore but they select different passages. And each accuse the other of not being 'real' Muslims. But Islam is not alone in this. Sadly, the same is true of many other religions. I really must learn more about the Bahá'í faith. I have been meaning to for some time and you have prompted me. Thank you.

Yeah I am not sure outsiders of a completely new religious movement know alot about a foreign religion such as Buddhism than surface level knowledge considering the buddha never taught the teachings on any god or neither was he a prophet

​@@miguelatkinsonBahai's believe that Baha'u'llah was Buddha. They are the same great teacher who returns at times to teach us.

Second one.....some religions as respect to the founder don't let pictures out loosely.

if it was a photo of Baha'u'llah you're referring to, it's not meant to be in circulation, and should only be seen when on Pilgrimage to the Holy Land in Haifa, Israel. Just out of reverence.

Studied Arabic for a year at Stockholm University :) Have also studied Arabic/Persian/Islamic culture for many more years, and I naturally picked up a lot of stuff from that.

​@@LetsTalkReligionare u muslim

because since he is accepted as a prophet, and Babism and Baha'ism coming out of Shia Islamic culture, you are not to publicly display or make a graven image of a prophet or God (in Islam and Judaism, they too adhere to this idea of not making images of prophets).

@@josephpetrone7631 but they claim to be different religîon and they don't accept quran and sharia either but hide face of prøp-hèt. Weird Why treat a prophet like god herself.

@@friendlyatheist9589 they do accept the Quran, though maybe not the Sharia or Hadith since new laws. They believe Baha’i scriptures continue the Quran not replace and so many customs continue such as not creating images of god or prophets. I used to attend Baha’i gatherings when I was young, only Abdul’baha’s image was shown because they see him as the perfect example for all Baha’i people.

His choice to blur the Bab's face is actually quite interesting from a Baha'i standpoint (I think). On one hand, we Baha'is do not display photos of the Bab or Baha'u'llah in our places of worship or in our homes. But our reason is not that it is disrespectful--at least not in an angry "Charlie Hebdo" sort of way. Baha'is are strictly non-violent and do not insist that anyone (even other Baha'is) MUST follow Baha'i laws or principles. If someone disrespects us, we're advised to try our hardest to look past it and re-engage on points of common agreement. But we believe that any images of the Manifestations could potentially become like idols or "graven images" to us and so we are advised against displaying them in our homes, in dramatic performances, on jewelry, etc. Let's Talk Religion may not realize this and may simply be erring on the side of respectfulness. Or perhaps the Azalis (the Babis who do not recognize Baha'u'llah) possess a more extreme view. I admit, I don't know much about the Azalis.

Its the respectful thing to do, look at the image of jesus and how grossly incorrect that interpretation of his image is. It is also to do with not idolising his personage, allowing Baha'is to focus on His teachings rather then Him incarnant, it is very Humble in my opinion. Baha'is are able to photos of Baha'u'llahs son Abdul-Baha. As he is the example in which Baha'i refer to and he himself is not a manifestation of God.

Except the so-called Covenant-Breakers. Right?

Baha’is love Covenant Breakers too. This is Baha’i teaching. I hope and pray you can love Baha’is too.

@@iamaworldcitizenOutright lie. _"There is no doubt that in a thousand passages in the sacred writings of Bahá'u'lláh the breakers of the Covenant have been execrated."_ (Abdul Baha) (Quoted by Shoghi Effendi in God Passes By)

@@NaserEmtesali execrated definition: feel or express great loathing for.

@@stylicho Yes. And Prof. Juan Cole says: *"UHJ member Hushmand Fatheazam once told me that a future Baha'i world government would put covenant breakers in jail!"*

Shua Ullah, the eldest grandson of Baha'u'llah said : "I personally hesitate to commit myself [to the Baha'i faith] with the existing conditions amongst us, as today we observe only the differences of ideas, lack of cooperation, discord, enmity, selfishness, and hatred-while we should believe that smiles are better than frowns, kindness better than coldness, commendation better than criticism, sympathy better than deception, love better than hate, friendship better than enmity, unity better than discord, and peace better than chaos." (A Lost History of the Baha'i Faith, by Eric Stetson)

Great subjects! I have a documentary on Asatru in Sweden on the channel, but I want to do more of that stuff eventually!

@@LetsTalkReligion I really enjoy your videos. They are well researched, detailed, and objective. I would love to see a video about Mithraism/Mithra. Also, Gnostic Christianity would be great as well. Thanks for the work you do.

@@LetsTalkReligion I used to work for an international company that had an office near Malmö. I had a colleague who others described as neo-pagan, though she did not describe herself as such. Anyway, the company was totally supportive of her.

And in russian “bab” sounds a lot like «баба» (literally “wench”) btw

It only works in American English.

I understand that Neal is a big fan of Bobism...

The name is the Bab meaning the gate. He was the forerunner to the prophet founder of the Baha’i Faith, Baha’u’llah.

Don't know about Bobism, but I'd probably become a follower of Marshmallowism if Marshmallow from Bob's Burgers ever starts a religion. She is Truly Free.

john the baptists was the final messenger. All following prophets are false.

I'm curious why you say this. In fact, there is truth in it, I believe. Consider "But no prophet came to them whom they made not the object of their scorn." (Qur'an 43:7). And of course, there is the fact that both Jesus and the Bab, who claimed to be messianic, were both executed - by the previous religion, no less. But I'd like to hear your understanding....

Glad us Sikhs dont believe in bullshit prophecies am I right?

@@pathfinder1273 People often see these supposed messianic figures as the causation of change in the status quo, rather than it being the exact opposite. They think by eliminating the supposed variable of causation they can in fact resist the change. That's my understanding. But in reality the messenger is just but a messenger. Change occurs regardless of whether people want to listen about it or not. Imo it's better to be prepared. 🙏

Yes, the Babis wanted to destroy everything that was non-Babi.

Here are some of the cult-like tendencies in the Baha'i Faith that are not found in other major religions: 1. Each Baha'i has a 'membership card' with a membership number. 2. Strict censorship and approval process for new books. 3. Punishments against individuals for perceived infractions include deprivation of voting rights and potential ostracism and shunning. 4. Ban on Baha'i Studies courses to prevent hierarchy formation perceived as a threat to the administrative structure. 5. Suppression of Baha'i academics who don't follow the party line and agenda. 6. Misuse of the notion of "unity" to silence and penalise divergent views. 7. Discouragement from reporting misconduct of individual members in the interests of "unity" and public image. 8. Selective translation of literature to control information and maintain a marketable narrative despite internal contradictions. 9. Revisionist edits in new editions of books (e.g. removal of failed prophecies and intolerant language). 10. Frequent fundraising for projects to enhance global image.

@@NaserEmtesaliyour whole account is dedicated to attacking a beautiful faith. Disgusting really

+1 for Nader Saiedi's work. I think Filip would also really enjoy Saiedi's book entitled "Logos and Civilization" which spends the first few chapters comparing and contrasting Baha'u'llah's ontological teachings with those of Sufis like Ibn Arabi.

Nader Saiedi has made some blunders, Abbas Teymouri explains in his critical study. *A critical study on "Gate of the Heart" a book by Nader Saiedi* ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TA8YlzhqLKA.html

@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 Yup troll. Every time a book in the Baha'i Faith counters critics and disinformation a bunch of people try to nitpick it and argue one slight issue in one place invalidates the points made that are clearly valid and undisputed. The simple fact is that the Bab promised the imminent appearance of Baha'u'llah in multiple books and tablets and, furthermore, the persons the Bab promised would recognize Him Whom God Shall Make Manifest (including members of His family) all did recognize Baha'u'llah and became Baha'is. Moveover, 95% to 99% by various estimates of all Babis became Baha'is with no threat of force or anything other than exercising free will.

@@scotthakala9783 Did you see the videos? I am a troll or you?

@@bahaiknowledgebank4413 Yes on one. I don't know on the other for sure if you are a troll. There are mixed reviews on Nader's book, some are quite effusive with praise. Some nitpick certain points in Nader's book re interpretation of what the Bab was meaning, but not the relevant parts that relate to the Bab's promise of Baha'u'llah. Those are consistent with other texts and well-supported.

Just curious, what makes you say "surfaced first in Tehran"? From my understanding there are news clippings from the Iranian government and outside media that was there when it took place

@@stylicho I’m not aware of any news clippings from the days immediately following, but putting that aside, when I say Tehran, that is where the central government was, but that is not where the event occurred. My impression was that the narrative advocated by Baha’is may have emerged from Tehran and not Tabriz.

The narrative emerged from hundreds of eye witnesses, including an Irish doctor who was present in Tabriz at the execution. There were news reports of it at the time.

@@susansheper I’d love to see the primary sources.

Do bahais call themselves muslims ? As shias call themselves muslim and sunni also call themselves muslim, do u call urself muslim or only bahai?

@@RABIASHAHID-el9pe Separate religion, they are not Muslims nor a sect of Muslims.

@@RABIASHAHID-el9pe Islamaphobic much?

Here are some problems with the Baha'i faith: 1. Women equality (UHJ) issue. 2. Push for Ruhi Indoctrination. 3. Endless meetings on recruiting others into the faith and forming clusters, etc. instead of focusing on the local community and it’s needs. 4. Heavy-handedness & Intimidation by Institutions and their administrative officers (ABM, etc.) 5. Lack of fun and social activities. 6. Shunning or removal of voting rights of others who don’t agree with mainstream faith beliefs or who are calling for change. 7. Lack of Freedom of Speech or Independent thought. 8. Not allowing political activism for social justice. 9. Clamping down on independent scholars and researchers within the Baha’i faith. 10. Elitism (Persians vs. others) 11. Lack of charity (helping the less fortunate, poor or homeless). 12. Lots of gimmicks. 13. Execrating and creating fear of the co-called covenant-breakers. 14. It is homophobic.

@@PresidentJeanAuguste hows that islamaphobic

Bahai is the One World Religion and the Beast

@@noself7889 Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist-denying the Father and the Son.

@@noself7889 Enjoy your delusion

I'm planning on doing more videos on the subject :)

@@LetsTalkReligion Also, could you do a video on Salafism? I've always been puzzled on how Salafis became so Influential in our day and age

Dylazz yeah me too!

@@LetsTalkReligion Would be nice to see more videos, in depth. Please cover the Azali-Baha'i conflict, the meaning of Ghiyath & Mustaghath and the Bab's guidelines to the Babis on how to recognize HWGSM.

@mesosa you should read "The Spirituality of Shi'i Islam" by Muhammad Amir Moezzi, amazing book on the subject (done in a scholarly manner)

Very interesting topic. As a rather unorthodox Shi'ite, I flirted with the idea of neo-Qarmarian revival a while ago as a thought experiment. I definitely have a high level of respect for the Qarmatians. Personally I see them as in between both Twelverism and Nizarism. They contained qualities of both but have remained ghostly figures to the rest of mainstream Islamic history. I have mad respect for them though, they had big aspirations, a vision, and they had a very revolutionary social organization. This all in compliment to their esoteric " (Batin) tenants. Not that long ago, a great book from Mai Mohammed AL Khalifa called "The Qarmatians from concept to state" came out in a translation. I brought it and thoroughly enjoyed reading it (although because of limited resources for studying them, esotericism was not as explored in the book as I hoped)

Definitely!

Check you facts first!

The Bab explicitly appointed Subh-i-Azal as his successor.

@@NaserEmtesali sort of. He named him the nominal head of His Faith to keep attention of the ecclesiastical and government authorities away from Bahá’u’lláh. Don’t even get me started about him. He never led anything nor did he write anything worth reading.

@@wendyscott8425 The Bab never appointed Mirza Yahya as a scapegoat to diverge attention away from Baha'u'llah. There is not a shred of evidence in the Bab's works to show this and this is merely a baseless Baha'i claim. In fact, according to the Bab, Mirza Yahya was God Almighty Himself and he refers to him in his will in this manner: Verse 1: "Name of Azal, testify that there is no God but I, the dearest beloved." Verse 2: "Then testify that there is no God but you, the victorious and permanent."

@@NaserEmtesali LOL Whatever. Of course, you were THERE, right? And you talked to Azal himself and heard him spout this nonsense. If he said all that, he was lying, of course. His envy was showing. He wanted the believers to admire him as much as they admired his older half-Brother. Yahyá spent a lot of his days in hiding, afraid of persecution. Bahá'u'lláh went to a lot of trouble to raise him to be a decent human being. Well, THAT didn't work. It's a great comfort to the rest of us who might have raised children in the Faith, and yet they didn't accept it or left it after some time. If Bahá'u'lláh couldn't make His own half-brother into a good person, then we can't be held too responsible if our kids don't always turn out the way we'd like. Believe what you like, Naser, you always do. And post anything you can that opposes the latest Manifestation of God, which history shows always happens, doesn't it? You, too, can be a part of history, one of those who did your best to discredit the new Revelation from God and tear it down. But it won't work, you know. It never does. In the end, the people come to know the new Manifestation, whose wise and loving teachings make perfect sense and are the solutions to the problems we face today. But who cares about _that,_ right? The world's problems are not _your_ problems, are they? Of course not.

@@wendyscott8425 You don't want to believe me? Go and check this *The Primal Point’s Will and Testament* Translation and Commentary by: Sepehr Manuchehri Research Notes in Shaykhi, Babi and Baha'i Studies,Vol. 7, no. 2 (September, 2004)

It's inevitable that I will make that video eventually :)

My mother always said that only boring and unimaginative people get bored.

Have you found it? I’m interested

you are only one who speak the truth.

I would tend to agree.

@@CBeatty59 agree with what exactly?

You talk about the Baha'i Faith like its connection to the British Empire a fact, but in reality, has no basis at all in any domain of history. It's rather a fabricated conclusion that has been fed to Iranians for 40+ years and the crazy thing is that Iranians ate that by the spoonfuls. So gullible.

prophet Muhammad pbuh was the last prophet, have those people even red Quran, how can they claim to be from Allah and at the same time go against his words?

Okay?

Care to elaborate on your comment?

My, what a convincing argument that was. I'm so convinced by every point you made. Oh, wait, you never really made a point, you just spouted an opinion. You've heard what Plato said about opinions being the lowest form of knowledge?

@@pathfinder1273 It's not an opinion, I'm not responsible that you don't know the history and facts about Bahá'ism.

@@mazyar_ Since I've been following and studying it for over 46 years, I think I know the history and facts well enough. If I say "Mazyar is a Nazi" without providing any evidence, that is an opinion. That is the literal definition of what an opinion is. If you don't even know what constitutes an opinion, how can anyone take you seriously on more complex matters? I sure don't.....

@@pathfinder1273 Listen, here's not the place to argue over the Baha'i politico-cult. People can do their own independent research and find the truth. There are plenty of ex-Baha'is that after leaving the cult have done excellent exposes all on the web, so no need to take my word. But I leave you with this last point; no matter what one thinks about the Nazis, they were at least honest about their goals and ideology. *Unlike* the Nazi's, the Baha'i leadership and activists are two-faced maniacal operators seeking to brainwash individuals and subvert governments, wolves in sheep's clothing & have a good day

@@mazyar_ Here's not the place?!? You started it, didn't you? What kind of hypocrisy is that? If people can do their own research, why did you present your opinion and then turn tail when someone challenged it? I have read dozens and dozens of these so-called "exposes", most notably one Naser Emtesali, and not one of them is even close to relevant. They are invariably misrepresentations, distortions, taken out of context, or outright lies. The Nazis were honest, were they? Right from the start they announced that they were going to take over the world, invade countries illegally, and exterminate those they found inferior? You should be embarrassed by this idiotic statement, but it's not all your fault because the internet is full of this shit. Evidently, you know no first-hand knowledge of the Baha'i Faith or its community, so I'll just go on picking apart your falsehoods.