I don't know anyone in Germany who could manufacture a wooden wagon like my grandfather leads in the picture. Horses were subject to war. So two milk cows had to pull the wagon. Often the calf on a rope next to it to learn. But dairy cows that pull carts don't give much milk. But somehow the hay had to go into the barn. It is reported that my grandfather did not have a whip. When it got steep, he harnessed himself to pull the wagon, i.e. in front of the animals on the wagon, and called their names. The animals did what he said. But never angry with the animals. But I don't want to trade the poverty of these days. Between and in two lost wars. Denunciators in the village and secret police. Political extremes. Lost Sons of War called dead heroes. That was the reason of poverty and no tractor could be bought. Today you might still see one old wooden wagon wheel with flowers.
And now, in the days of the war in the East, old tales are coming alive of how my ancestors hid in fear. How the refugees came with only what they wore. Two refugees children holding hands without parents. Only 80 years ago and again today. War is never fair. And being right or wrong doesn't help.
@@jensschroder8214 I am absolutely stunned that this is allowed to happen now! Did we not learn anything from our past? I hold you and everyone in the war zone so close and so tight to my heart! I was born in 1945 and I never ever imagined that this could happen again, but I was wrong. So, maybe some survivors of THIS horrible aggression will be able to use the Engle archives to survive until the next one...and the next...! In the meantime, I send hugs to all of the European people! And thank you Dave for your wonderfully illustrated presentations!
People have always been innovators and opportunist who go searching for the next big thing. Being a blacksmith, inventor and machinist in the 19th century was cutting edge stuff and many were very knowledgeable and clever problem solvers. Also, anyone who has ever attempted to sand cast thin metal parts can instantly appreciate just how skilled those tradesmen were at their craft.
There's also a dollar factor, if it can be done with less material or take less time to assemble means more profit. I love all the little cast iron parts used to assemble wagons, there's so little cast iron used these days.
Thanx for keeping us all in touch with the artisans inginuity. You have so much for me and so many to be thankful for bless ya for an amazing bunch of knowledge which you impart with clarity so well beautifuly with heart ❤️ 🖖🏻🕷🕸
Great overview on the different styles of bolster design and hardware used back in the day. Imagine these differences provided selling points for each manufacturer to tout how theirs was better than the rest.
One of the things that always facinated me, was the amount of engineering that went into the wagons. buggy's, etc. the iron work alone as you just shown was endless. I oft times wonder how much of that was engineered and how much was done by trial and error. I would imagine a lot of it was trial and error and in the later part of that past century engineering took over where that left off. great tutorial Dave thank you so much for taking the time to share that with us. ECF
Ellis I believe you are correct about the trial and error and changes made to these wagons as time went on it was a work and progress. The engineers and Inventors that have developed the many different tools and equipment from farm tractors, airplanes, automobiles to the modern day computers and of course the Cell Phones that we just use and take for granted.
You see people this why I love this channel and always look forward to the next vid . It's not just the excellent workmanship and professionalism displayed but the explanations as to why this is this way or that way, it gives me the full build picture and functionality of the question.. "WHY" cheers and thx. tell the next 1 be seeing ya...lol
Very interesting. You mentioned Studebaker and it made me think of my father who made mention when I was a kid, how he liked the automobile Studebaker. I find the evolution of the Studebaker Black Smith - Brothers starting out with wagons and branching out with automobiles. (JF)
Excelente exposición de la diferencia en los diseños de los carruajes, sigo con mucho interés sus vídeos porque me remontan a esos tiempos de los pioneros de lo qué es hoy nuestro mundo actual.
Dave, thanks for this. I loved the part where you talked about learning from the craftsmen of the past. There are no manuals on how to build a wagon from those days - it was all about passed on knowledge, locally available materials and, most importantly, designing to do a particular job (a borax wagon and a buggy have similar attributes but quite different tasks to accomplish). Your channel is in a way a true link from the past, through the present and now into the future, that future generations will know that this largely forgotten technology of a century or more ago was not simple or crude, but was in all its forms carefully considered and executed.
Hey, Dave, have you ever thought about doing a video on the different types of axles? I bet most people don't know that there are Collinges and mail post axles, along with the different variations of buggy and wagon axles. The guy I worked for, back when I was doing this type of work, didn't know or didn't care how to service a Collinge's axle. He had filled the oil groove with a piece of scrap leather and greased it like a regular buggy axle. He took it in a parade, and probably didn't go a block before that wheel locked, and he dragged it on a locked wheel the entire parade route. He ground the rubber tire down to the channel iron, and ground the channel iron almost down to the felloe. It took two of us to get the wheel off back at the barn, and the other person was a weight lifter. I didn't know anything about Collinge's axles either, but I got out every CAA publication he had on antique carriages and axles and figured it out. We took it up to Goode and Witmer, or Wenger's, I can't remember which, and got the proper leather washers cut for it and put it back on oil. I never could find any good information on castor oil, or substitutes for castor oil, but we ran motor oil in it and it worked. It leaked a bit, but it didn't lock up again. That kind of information would probably really help people who are interested in building, repairing or using carriages.
As usual interesting one thing that stood out was a sign that shows how much things have changed in a relatively short time, the fact that in 1900 some one was still getting a patent for horse drawn wagon parts
Dave, what I am getting here is that if one aspires to build a wagon from scratch, without any specific hardware or style, available for guidance, you can do just about anything and it can't really be called wrong.
Very interesting. Got me thinking about what sort of wagon each might come from. Some clearly are intended to deal with heavier loads. And in the more-minimal designs, there might be some "This is how much iron we have, make it work!"
Thanks again, Dave! I suppose some styles may have evolved on the basis of what materials were available at the time and at what cost. Besides that, some of the best ideas were apparently patented, so a manufacturer had to design his own rather than copy them.
Hi Dave, thanks for this Video on Bolster Staves, I've noticed the different Staves stiles but really never paid much attention to them until I started thinking about Building a Wagon like the one my Granddad had. I'm looking through old Family Pictures in Hopes of Discovering the old wagon in the Background. My Grand dads old Wagon may have been a Studebaker, as I recall it had rounded tops on the Bolster Staves.
The hand made pear shaped rings are cool. Same with the beveled irons. What traits could we say show it’s an “Engel”? Maybe the boiled linseed oil finish. Possibly the properly tightened square nuts?. THE SANDING!
As instructive and interesting as ever, Dave. Always happy to see you post new content, especially this "little detail" stuff that speaks to the history of these old vehicles.
*- Interesting tutorial, Dave.* *- It sure did cause me to hold opinions as to what looked better and would be stronger.* *- I can imagine that iron stock available for a good price might well format a given style.* *- I liked the slick idea of the 'rings' being two sizes to accept a pole for holding hay or whatever.*
Interesting and educational as well. I really liked the way you drew the anology between the wagon makers and the automobile manufactures. After all that is where it all started.
The patented cast bolster stake is patent D 32-660, issued 05/15/1900 to Wm. Bruce of Piatt county in Illinois. The patent isn't incredibly useful, it just describes the shape of the stake, and doesn't give any reasons why it is good or novel. It also isn't assigned to any company, so it is difficult to tell who may have made it.
I'm assuming a manufacturer would make one type of chassis, but the box could be a full cargo box maybe with a drivers seat at the front, a pick up style that's half passenger, half cargo, or like a saloon car that's all passenger. ? I'm thinking that last bolster might have a round pole to extend the height if needed ?
Interesting and informative. Great presentation and quite the collection. Always fascinating to see the many different ways there are to accomplish the same task. Thank you.
Missed one ! I have never been able to get something big to my taste and style . It has been what can I afford ,Not ford. Sure back then it was the same as today .
Not related to this video, but I've been watching your videos on steam bending wood. Do you think it would be possible to bend a 1/2" diameter ash tube with 1/16 " thick walls? My idea is to make a wire hoop with one straight end, steam the wood (a goblet is what I have in mind) and push it onto the hoop. It will be an effort to build a steamer etc., and I don't want to embark on a fools errand. Thanks for the content.
I find myself now looking at the wagons in western movies like Gunsmoke. Question: When people decided to buy a wagon. How was it shipped? It must have come in a crate and was assembled by the new owner?
In uno degli ultimi video che ho seguito dici di non considerarti un artista! Sei molto modesto ed umile , ma le cose che vedo farti mi fanno pensare più ad un artista che ad un artigiano
QUESTIONS for future episodes: What keeps the box from sliding forward? What absorbs the shock when the wagon hits potholes? With a heavy enough load I would expect something to snap.
Dave, I want to ask you, respectfully, to please post, here on RU-vid, a video showing the completed sheep wagon-chuck wagon. Looking at the completed undercarriage, and now looking at this, I have no idea how it works when completed. What in the world are those uprights for? You speak at length about the "rings" but I have no idea what they are used for nor how they are used. It is utterly opaque to me how the wagon body fits on and attaches to the under carriage. Please, please. please, post a video showing how the under carriage holds the wagon body, and how all of those amazing parts you made are used. (I have no Instagram, nor Twitter account, so posting there will not help me.)
I think you'll see as he continues the series. He'll probably show putting the box on the running gear. The standards or bolster stakes are for keeping the box from moving from side to side.
I think you'll see that as Dave continues the series. He'll show putting the box on the running gear. The standards or bolster stakes are for keeping the box from moving from side to side.
I'd argue that lots of modern cars don't even have an engine: they have electric motors. It serves the same basic purpose but is a significantly different design.
Long story short, there's more than one way to skin a cat. LOL Decades ago whan I first got into building Flight Simulatore, we mechanics built what we had to based off engineering drawings, but unlike their ideas, our components had to operated just like the real aircraft component. The engineer would have to change the drawing to match the item we built. If we got a contract to build two or more items, the items would be similar, but depending on what mechanic was available, and what materials were available, each component would be different. I suppose that was pretty much the same way on these wagons.
Interesting on the different styles,, Am thinking that the person that built the wagon had their own idea on how they thought they should be built... also,, It seems to me that the rings would be better if you wanted to tie something down versus the square bar like the one that you made, seems it would less wear and tear on the rope.
You put five good Engineers in a room and tell them to solve a specific problem. And the end, you get 9 answers. What does that tell you? There is one second rate Engineer in that room.
Dave I love watching you you are so great at what you do! I do not know anything about wagons but I do watch a show "The repair shop" and they have a wagon in the opening shot that I think is a Conestoga wagon can you explain what that is and if I missed you working on one let me know the video please. Also I know this is your channel but I have been watching "The luminary shop" what has happened to Rick he has not posted in a while thanks Dave you are the best.
Make's you wonder if some teenager tricked out his old haywagon with bigger wheels, paint, etc back in the day. A ricer buggy with a fart cannon and a spoiler, the mind boggles....
