The Beautifully Strange World of Outsider Music 

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@@Whipslinger1 Why, it's even indiegenous! It gives me indiegestion!

I dont even like mumble rap.

@@obgatson6422 what dose this have to do with the comment?

It's like indie but with more drugs

lolololololololololol

It's my favourite time signature.

> true jazz heads know this

is it rude if i ask you to explain this joke hh

😄

Where can i find his music?

@@Joesgamesntech his RU-vid channel is Loc Gets to The Point

@@Joesgamesntech I highly suggest C0cksucking rainstorm 2.0

His name?

@@SandyCheeks63564 see above 👆

It’s just beautiful ❤

Wesley Willis is the goat

That song and "I whooped Batman's ass" unironically slap hard

@@UndeadPorcupine its time for me to grow my spotify playlist even bigger

Dude I’ve always fucking loved that song

Really reminded me of Jake the dog

😂

Dude was on some savage shit

got em!

Well, that is a fine representation of music that sucks tho!

That's the quickest I've ever clicked a sub button

Big milky cat

what’s his band called?

@@alliestimens4835i second this. id love to know the name

link us please

That actually sounds so cool - is there anywhere to listen to it?

So here is where we wait....

If there isn't any proof to your claim then I'm gonna assume it's not legit...

@@codykhaos4987 if you believe the source cited on wikipedia: "The conceptual beginning of the Shaggs came from Austin Wiggin's mother who, when her son was young, had predicted during a palmreading that he would marry a strawberry blonde woman, that he would have two daughters after she had died, and that his daughters would form a popular music group."

@@itsfos518 ????????????

Having looked through the wikipedia article, the source cited is impossible to find. The direct quote OP refers to is cited as "Da Capo Best Music Writing 2000" page 157, which through some complex google AND wiki laws means the "source" that's cited for the fact is near impossible to see for any who hasn't owned a copy of the book. Which means it can range from "After asking the father, he testified:" to "Idk, I kinda feel like this makes the most sense in my fanfic"

Thanks Cthulhu

And honestly it sounds pretty good

God, knowing this makes me want to cry, what an incredible human being

That's legit a schizofrenic person's superpower - finding something that reliably or even reliably-ish roots them in reality. It's very, very hard to stay puffed among the living for someone who's constantly (at least as soon as the brain gets a few off-duty cycles) distracted with nasty, weird, insidious or even just funnily odd input from voices in their head.

Didnt know he died?

@@Coincidence_Theorist vampire bat

Vive le Québec libre !!!

I had never heard of Danial until today. I am so glad this video showed up in my recommendations for some reason. Going to look for that documentary, he truly is a phenomenal artist.

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Is that a seer’s poncho or a real poncho?

Not interesting at all, he got fanatic about what he said, then took them out of school, forced them to play instruments and somehow got them into a recording studio, thats more like pre planning to me.

Same kinda thing with Rebecca Black. Her parents payed a guy to make her a pop star. He made her a viral video song that turned her into a pop star. The path taken truly was the Only way she would have ever made it big. I still can't believe her parents sued the guy. They owe him more than they could possibly understand. He's the only person in the world who could have pulled it off. He's a god damn miracle worker, and they didn't pay him nearly enough.

Their father believed it and put his money behind it and they made it happen

Is there a way to hear it somewhere?

Now I want to hear it. I suspect it sounds like shit, but it'd be interesting to hear nonetheless.

Haha coOL 😂 would love to hear that

@@justsomeguy8385 I wish I still had the recording. It probably does sound like shit, but I sure remember it fondly.

@@MM-uw5tt ...no. I wish, but the recording was lost many years ago.

I'm so sorry to hear this. As someone who has the ability to enjoy all music, I truly feel bad for anyone who must experience music as you do. It's so shallow and 1 dimensional😊

@@nicholassullivan1239 with a comment like that, right back at you. How shallow and 1 dimensional of you to say such a thing to someone's comment on RU-vid haha.

​​@@nicholassullivan1239are you stroking yourself as you read your own comment

@@nicholassullivan1239everything is subjective everyone has their own taste, let’s appreciate everyone’s work. don’t come at her

Absolutely the same. I have a thing for underdogs, outsiders and provocateurs, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

that's what i really find inspiring about all outsider art, it's just "fuck it, i'm going to make something"

its the equivalent of modern art

I'm pretty sure thousands of songs have been written on the couch, just saying

and then the labels find they can make a pretty penny on it and begin to manufacture. As frank zappa said, it's not punk rock, it's corporate america. It's not actually OK to be yourself, it's only hip when it's marketable.

no peoeple who spent years actually learning shit and this comes on fuck no

Bruh no freakin way, you listen to Daniel Johnston?

lucienzz

seriously this is so uninsteresting

@@enasalgahmdi9944 everybody does. Pop punk is the new underground, listening to blink 182 is true outsider music now

@LLusion Exactly

Nah it would all be Zapp

This is true, he had no way to copy a version of an album to give out for promotion so he would do the entire album, start to finish then give it away. That probably resulted in many different versions of those songs.

Wow! that is awesomely incredible!

Well I’m glad I’m getting the chance to listen to him now.

THEY'RE REMOVING HIS SONGS??

That’s so cool!

😂

It's called self fulfilling prophecy...

I'm From Portugal But I Love Adventure Time.. I'm 35 BTw

To me it feels like Trout Mask Replica

@@anotherunwantedopinion2914 Im 53 and love it to. Like your name : )

@@jonaseggen2230 I believe that it's created grown up ppl, seems a little bit macabre don't you think? 😁😁😁 Thank you it's a name with the power of inverted psychology 🤜🤛😁 I wish you all the best

Pernille Andersen A Robert Rankin reference in the wild!?

So it turns out he is/was American, but in New Zealand the Maori do greet each other using the headbutt or hongi. It's not as common anymore, especially among the younger population, but maybe that's where he got the idea from?

@@caenir It was just his thing. Wesley was on the Autism spectrum, along with some other things. He would usually say. "Head butt" first - and it was almost always sweaty He sketched, he wrote music - he was happy to be a musician. There were no parents involved. The guys in the band loved him, and he would come by Dale's recording studio constantly when the weren't touring to show off his nee keyboard or song or drawing or shoes. It was a fine line between promotion and exploitation, but he loved performing and even touring. Nobody promoted Wesley like Wesley did. "Head butt. Rrrah!" R.i.P., Wesley.

@@caenir That's a really cool nugget of info on the Maori. Cool!

@@genghis_connie So it was a straight up headbutt. Interesting

@@caenir Yeah, Sometimes a bit too hard, but he did it if he liked you (or sometimes if someone asked). It was kind of his high-five - but also a common thing that people with autism do, but usually against a wall. Seems he did plenty of that, too. I kind of always assumed that's why he had the bump on his forehead, but I never asked him or the guys.

i am cow by the arrogant worms

Yes

Just not in the way anyone thought

@@wirelessfiction8636 that seems to be a them problem.

Well it was his mother so

Yeah, that's the most interesting part of the whole thing. Granted it's a "monkey paw" kind of situation, but yeah they're still popular.

Bless them and bless you, and bless Willis.

Your comment brightened my day.

Stories like this are why comment sections exist. Thank you.

Wes was a bright star. He was a great guy, miss him.

Thank you for sharing your story!

Omg I forgot all about Frank! I watched that movie a couple of times when I was a teenager. I’m gonna go rewatch it now that I’m an adult

That movie struck such a chord with me.

update: i didn't sleep the of the whole night when I watched it because I was busy recording weird noises lol

OMG FRANK HAS BEEN MY FAVORITE MOVIE FOR 7 YEARS !!!!! THIS IS SO TRUE !!

Where can I watch it? Is it online??

I couldn’t agree with you more Alexa. I’ve been struggling for months to come up with some album for my school capstone project, and every idea I had I disliked. I was so rigid in my creativity that I couldn’t just let myself be simply that, creative. This video reminded me exactly what you said. I remember years ago being so exited to just hop on my keyboard connected to garage band to make music. The same applied to my instrument playing. My very first recorded song was just a collection of loops and chords that garage band provided. I’ve become so inspired from this video with the realizations that I don’t need to be so hard on my self or perfect.

@Musings On the Moon Thank you so much. Good luck to all of your endeavors as well Alexa. 👍🏻😄🥰❤️

Couldn't agree more

I completely agree. The best art is the therapy you give to yourself. Turning true emotions into sites and sounds to create a feeling you've never felt before. Sometimes its hard not to let people's judgments and expectations influence you. When people don't give a shit but are still true to themselves is when the most authentic powerful music is made.

**this what i felt i needed to hear and understand. thanks and love u guys

perfect analogy

i think corey feldman's "angelic 2 the core" is a little more accurate, but that might be partially because he looks like tommy wiseau lol

@@hachikos I agree, Philosophy is more like Manos

That is so sweet

Wesley head butted me several times at Gabe’s Oasis in Iowa City, IA. With every head butt, he’d say, “Say rock! Say Arrr!”. It was fantastic. That guy was so much fun in concert and just a good dude in general. RIP.

same!!!!!

Same

Same here and a lot of these songs I've heard and never thought were exactly outsider music, this was a really informative video.

same!

Same

In all honesty, Willis was pure punk and metal in spirit and attitude! RIP Wesley!

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rock over london, rock on chicago wheaties, breakfast of champions

Wesley Willis is one of the most punk artists I'd ever heard, dude is fkin awesome and one of my top 10 faves :)

Theres a reason Jello Biafra loved the guy and was very personally involved with the funding and production of his albums along with signing him to his record label alternative tentacles

Crazy experience

im sorry

whoa you’re gary wilson’s kid

@@sircheesefart5920 naw... i think hes saying that his dad used a photo of Gary Wilson as his facebook profile.... Gary Wilson isnt dead according to wiki.. but thats also wiki so maybe im wrong

@@thatsmypurseidontknowyou4797 Gary Wilson is very much still alive.

It's in the nature of the finite human capacity for attention.

It's like an island where mediocrity is celebrated.

The Galapagos of modern music

In the same way the Gulag's and the Nazi Concentration Camps were "fascinating"....is "unique" a substitute for talent and technique?.....the failure of modern pop music is the apathy with which musicians have come to regard how music has evolved historically. Throwing out the entire history of music in favor of idiots who are unable to differentiate between caucauphany and music is the opposite of "fascinating" it is simply "stupid".

@@TangieTown81 Well, maybe if you dial it down a little, you can see that your interpretation of the comment seems extremely far-fetched to what the comment might have most likely intended to say: outsider music is just very interesting.

@@santoriomaker69 Let me provide a more detailed analysis then: The death of pop music occurred when the musicians on stage stopped giving a shit about learning music and instead were simply handed music to perform. They became puppets and empty vessels culminating in disasters like milli vanilli. The 70's and 80's marked a clear diversion from performance artists who clearly had put in the work such as Freddie Mercury and James Hetfield to any number of one-time wanna-be hair bands who's only draw to being a musician was the commercialized lure of sex and drugs......as the music industry has succumbed more to market forces music has deteriorated and become simplified and commercialized. This is simply the logical extension of people who may want to care about music because it feels good vs. people who have actually put in the time and effort to master musicianship such that they can innovate in new ways. You had the Romantic era of music give way to the Contemporary and innovate big band sound for popular culture and jazz for a more technically demanding and creative endeavor. Then with the creation of new types of instruments in combination with existing sounds the popular era evolved bluegrass into blues, soul, funk and rock.....this music could both be technically demanding still be newly innovating without devolving into throwing out all knowledge in favor of child-like stupidity. However, modern pop-music has been stuck there and even though rap and disco and techno have provided innovation beyond.....those genre's have become filled with apathetic mediocre artists who feel a classically oriented understanding is a waste of time. More knowledge and understanding is never a waste of time. Idiots making noise holding instruments is not an inspiration it is an insult.

This song is truly a banger.

I unironically enjoy rock n roll McDonalds it gets me excited with such childlike wonder

His documentary is really worth watching. RIP, Mr. Willis.

@@haeilsey same here

Much of what makes it great is that it starts out like it's a McDonald's promotion -- seriously, they could use it for advertising, and he *did* sprinkle his performances with out-of-the-blue ad slogans from contemporary or old campaigns for various businesses. But then just when you're set up, "McDonald's hamburgers are the worst. This I can prove." And goes on to state its greater fat content than Burger King's!

Good interpretation

@@jt-mx4on its like art with no alterations or art which was made without giving it much thought, its just pure emotion expressed by any medium possible

@@jt-mx4on I didn't mean pure as in "good music", I just meant pure with its basic meaning

@Pop Mine pretending you don't understand a word because of 1 misspelled letter is small pp energy

@@s43m I don't think its pure though. The only thing these outsiders lack is musical skill/education, they clearly know how song structure works and they understand some of the harmony they most likely heard over the radio or somewhere else in life.

Wesley Willis made me laugh . But I laughed out of pure joy . The titles alone are entertaining .

Rock N Roll McDonalds!

BACON PANCAKES MAKIN BACON PANCAKES

holy shit yes 😂😂😂😂😂 amazing

@@fatkidfrontflip I kicked Batman's ass .

Built to Spill also did a cover of Some Things Last a Long Time that I'd highly recommend checking out (if you haven't already)

Oh wow, just looked up his line art stuff and its really good! Much better than i coukd ever do atleast

It's ridiculously good. All of the license plates he used were real license plates that he remembered. Same for the ads on the busses. They are identical. Dude was incredible.

I was lucky enough to see him in a little club in Kalamazoo, MI around ‘96. It was pretty awesome

And the piano playing on his first album is insanely moving, he clearly would have been an amazing piano player if his mind didn't start to fail him

I had no idea this was a specific genre, I always called the artists I listen to "wholesomely moving". Coming from Austin, naturally Daniel was my first taste of the raw, truly unique and heartfelt sound these people create. They don't care if you like it. It wasn't made to be liked. It was made to explore. To be passionate and creative. It was made with to share a true love for art and music. There is so much complex beauty in the art these musicians make. I have nothing but gratitude and love for Daniel Johnston.

@@moderndaymedusa I wouldn't really consider "outsider music" to be a genre, truthfully. Outsider Art in general is more often a label used to commodify and exploit disability, particularly mental illness, and perceived naivety. Obviously that's not always the case, but it serves to exoticize. I also genuinely enjoy many of these artists for the heartfelt and genuine nature of their work, I often over-analyze my own creative process these days and often kinda envy the ability to just make some stuff and put it out there and see what happens.

Uh, no. Not in a million years.

@@lunawuff This resonates with my own experience, what you say about overthinking regarding the creation process... I think it's a skill, and an artform of its own, to be able to detach from the ego-based desire for perfection.

Cue Daniel Johnston's "Never Relaxed"...

He was definitely a big influence

exactly!! i heard life in vain and immediately was like "hold on...this sounds exactly like folkpunk"

Watched this video and immediately checked him out because I've been listening to AJJ for so long that it's like I rediscovered them with someone new

AJJ IMMEDIATELY came to mind. I was lucky enough to see them live in an SF venue that has since closed down :(

My thoughts exactly. As an avid listener of folk punk, I immediately thought of the same artists you named when I heard him sing.

Can you tell me more about his show please

did u get a headbutt?

Thank you punk for giving this legend a platform.

fax. The Residents are my biggest inspiration. If something can go from sounding so horrendous to one of the best pieces of art ive ever consumed (Not Available LP), thats somethin special

@Choas_Lord_512 hot damn are you alright? I was just speaking my mind

@@BootlegRaven he's sad no one will listen to his shit music that he works oh so hard on

I can relate. We all started from this very feeling of play and discovery. Good comment as a note to self.

@Choas_Lord_512 hope you feel better sometime bud

i agree with you on Daniel Johnston...- this video is missing however the Godfather, the source and pure essence of outsider music; the genesis of it and i Argue that he was not just the inventer of Outsider music, the best in the Genre but also the Greatest of his generation period. Syd Roger Fu@×%&# Barrett . . .. Daniel was definetely a a beutiful and tragic dove without a mate, largely uknown and misunderstood flying low and yet in his own high, under the radar of the popular starz of his time, who still however were confined to this Earth... But Barrett Was in a league all his own. The cosmic Space, Octupus! hee was the Mad Cap.

@@alicasoto4497 Couldn’t agree more. The Madcap Laughs is an underrated classic and overall Syd Barrett was a really interesting, cool person.

Michael Gira, while not exactly outsider music, is in my opinion the most honest and creative musician of all time

@@user-fs1lc2cj5s I think he’s definitely up there with Daniel Johnston. As a pair Jarboe and Him were pretty much unstoppable. I’d go as far as to say Swans are one of, if not the most creative band there has been. Their ever changing sound highlights their creativity best I think. Going from albums like White Light From The Mouth Of Infinity and Love Of Life, to The Great Annihilator and Soundtracks For The Blind within the space of 5 years is simply incredible. I think Swans and Sonic Youth are easily the two most influential bands to come out of the no wave scene. Although I do consider Gira to be a genius, when it comes to honesty in their music I think Daniel Johnston takes the cake.

@@bentleyparker8495 what about that dude Mickey chaos on SoundCloud?

hArJiT001 The way he sings reminds me of the song they kept playing in the movie Insidious. Super creepy. Maybe it even was his song, idk

@@jegeriufanen4415 "tiptoe through the tulips" is one of his tracks, yeah.

Listen to his last album. So amazing. He does a Stairway to Heaven cover that's just all Tiny Tim! Love it.

@@jegeriufanen4415 problem, every time they played that song in the movie I thought about SpongeBob.

@@jegeriufanen4415 dude me too, I was thinking the same thing. Creepy forsure! You just got this recommendation too Hugh?! Lol

You're remembering what we were before marketing made all the decisions. ❤️

It kind of makes me sad, and feel a bud disconnected. Like, there so much bad stuff all the time at the forefront of life and history, and only the deepest, most obscure of footnotes are relegated to people making true, pure, heartfelt art that couldn’t be replicated by any other person on the planet.

Totally got emotional

You should watch The Devil and Daniel Johnston then

Yes

I'm sooo happy HA-HA!

Its used in the horror movie Insidious too. He also died of a heart attack on stage and people thought it was a joke.

@@visualdosage234 Thata tiptoe through the tulips.

@@swingonthespiral yep

@@swingonthespiral a song i instantly loved the first time i heard it more than 20 years ago on a french radio station.

Go for it! I believe in you. 🖤

Do it you won't regret being able to just make music whenever you feel like it

I just listened to it, and am in tears. So good. Reminds me a little of the Juno soundtrack. "if I was a flower growing wild and free all I want is for you to be my sweet honey bee" 🎶

@@Tropicalpisces i think that song actually was in juno

Literally!

Yeah it hurt when he passed. He was one of the most beautiful tortured souls on the planet and we, as fellow human beings, lucky that he was able to turn that pain into such wonderful songwriting. My old punk band used to cover "funeral home" and "I lost my.mind" and after a show at Diablos in Portland we met a dude who had seen us a few times around the PNW and he actually knew Daniel. He had contacted him and gave me an original drawing of his with a personal autograph which I still have framed hanging on my wall. RIP DANIEL.

If it wasn't for him we woulnd't have a lot of the classics we have today. It was terrible to hear about what happened to him, hell whenever i read the article "one step from fame" it makes me annoyed. Never felt like he needed or wanted the fame, just wanted to make fun music that had meaning to him. Sending love, rip legend.

I challenge everyone to share and like this video: To see if we can hear some new related styles on the radio, (charts) say, in 24 months, and 60 months from now. I’ve been playing guitar for over 25 years and for me- due to the uniqueness of the content inside- is one of the greatest documentaries. Some super cool sounds that could definitely inspire new styles for sure. It’s like the best of the worst, in that they may have all been rejected from the labels but today’s underground would love this sound, mixed with some modern electronic and rock elements I think the next big genre could come from this very video. I’m stoked to start writing again. Cheers!

Holy shit. I just went looking for some of his performances. He's great! I instantly fell in love with his whole persona!

Does he sing a song in the first spongebob episode.

Yeah man he sang the “living in the sunlight” song in spongebob

@@Atomhaz yes, that is #TinyTim doing the SpongBob song

Yep. Fantastic documentary.

Yes, it is a fantastic documentary. Seen it quite a few times. People who know of Daniel have some semblance of his mental illnesses but the reality of it and how it deeply effected his family and friends was intriguing to see. Rest well Daniel.

I saw 11 years ago. It was great! I need to watch it again some time.

Seen it YEARS ago. And made an unforgettable impression. It's touching, interesting, and inspirational

Word of advice - following "I recommend this movie" with "this is how it ends" is kind of a dick move

Drop the album

this is my favorite comment.

That's so sweet

Don't be shy, sing me a song piano person

Yea.

His little alien is still standing in Austin. When I lived abroad he was a touchstone for Austin Weird

Danny don’t rap. Clip clop clip clop. Danny don’t rap.

@@llechatton So is his frog.

@@FoodNerds damn man I didn’t know he died rip too a legend

i wish i could hear it for the first time again

You knew

@@IndustrialFan666 I'm going to assume that was directed towards me since I started the comment strand. How is me not liking the shaggs me genuinely not caring about outsider art? I listened to every new name I heard in this video and enjoyed most of it for its artistical value.

@@CloudyThaGod Because if you dont like and know every single outsider artist, musician, filmmaker, etc. then you genuinely dont care about outsider art. Thats all he was saying.

@@MicheallikeMJ So because I am unaware of artists or don't particularly like a select few that means I don't care about the genre? 😐 Idk about you but from my perspective that sounds like something along the lines of "you don't like g-funk so you must not like hiphop" or something like that. Do you see where I'm coming from at least?

Someone else who was definately an outsider, recording in the early '60's was Lucia Pamela. She claimed that aliens took her to the moon to make her album... It's actually some fairly credible big band music, coupled with her strange vocals. In 1994, the band Stereolab recorded a song referencing her, "International Colouring Contest" Laetitia Sadier sings-"in to outer space with Lucia Pamela.. The moon is the place, where there's space for Lucia... Before Armstrong took his steps.. she'd been there. with friends.. They took her instruments and recorded on the Moon.. got a variety of sounds.. from where the air is different... ( There is no air, but I digress.).. Stereolab are kind of outsiders themselves, in thier own regard, n but nowhere near as outside as the likes of Lucia, the Shaggy, Wesley Willis or Daniel Johnston- or even an odd character like Unknown Hanson, self-discribed "last of the country western troubadours" and voice of Squidbilly Early Cutler on Adult Swim cartoon Squidbillies, pretty outside as well...

Tried to write "The Shaggy" came out "Shaggy"... You know how it goes... Smart phone Stupid!...

Now the F'n self correcting idiocy of my phone repeated the same mistake again, the very definition of idiocy!.. I'ma try once again, the Shaggs, m'er F'er!.. now I'm seeing it right, but will it still be when I post?...

Huzzah!.. also, Unknown Hinson came out "Hanson" howzat even happen? ... The I and a are nowhere close!... Plus, look @ how much time I'm wasting just so I don't come off as an idiot?... Why F'n bother?!?!

@@coadmiller5010 I love your explanations Coad! They grant character to your comment. I relate with you. I appreciate your phonetics too m'fer y'no what i'm sayn'? Person loses a mind when left alone and don't talk nor sing to themselves.

Yes, first sit down and put one leg in at a time.

Maybe it wasn't random

@@ghostwriter991 RIght. They surely planned things out before recording, even when it ended up sounding "random". I used to do that before learning music, I thought I was doing a lot by moving my hands around the same way over and over without knowing what even is a chord.

@@ghostwriter991 ever heard it? It’s pretty much random

@@mrupert22 ay man if you study performance art you can make things come across as random its called improv i used to do it. Its like rappers nowadays they freestyle on live radio but you can tell it was written before hand because modern rap has erratic beat switches that no longer happen on the 4 bar or 8 bar its very sporadic. So its planned eg improv

Nardwuar interviewed him you should check that out

Check out the documentary The Devil And Daniel Johnston…it’s so good!

@@sandman503 100% agree. He does one of his songs in a shop and it's my favorite recording.

Try a band called "Half Japanese"

Built to spill has an album playing the songs of Daniel Johnston

How to make outsider music Step 1. Bang your head against a keyboard.

How be english outsider. Read first sentence.

💖

I never knew about outsider music, and it makes me less self conscious about just making stuff and putting it out there

@@jickay “Bad Music is Brilliant” - R. Stevie Moore