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The Verge's Nilay Patel, David Pierce, and Alex Cranz discuss Apple's iPad event, the evolution of the streaming business, updates on the Wisconsin Foxconn site, and much more tech news.
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00:00 - Intro
3:38 - New Apple iPad Pro and Air
49:07 - The cable bundle is back
1:07:00 - Lightning Round (Nilay's victory lap)
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@FranciscoAreasGuimaraes Месяц назад

I am completely here for the 4 hour "what is a photo" episode! Can you bring Dieter back for this?

@impendio Месяц назад

Just bring Dieter back in general, I miss him so much

@nicknorthcutt7680 Месяц назад

As a music producer who has been producing, mixing and mastering in Logic X and FL Studio on the M1 Max MacBook Pro, I laughed so hard at this part and I literally cannot agree more with what you guys said: 10:44 - 11:04 "What is the use case for the iPad? And now, again, the hardware suggests that it is an expansive list of use cases and to some extent it is, right? Like, some people I am sure produce music in Logic exclusively on an iPad. Those people are causing themselves an enormous amount of pain but they're choosing to do it and that is their right as Americans."

@MaxMiller94 Месяц назад

I'd buy an iPad Pro today if the new iPadOS has a "Mac mode" like what DeX is on Samsung tablets. Just press a button on the Magic Keyboard and enter a MacOS-like environment with windowed apps.

@adamcarlson4922 Месяц назад

The lack of a laminated display on the base iPad is a dealbreaker.

@BenjaminDirgo Месяц назад

iPad mini remains a product in our lineup

@samueljweston Месяц назад

If Apple unveil macOS for the iPad then we are cooking.

@justlou717 Месяц назад

Omg was this first b-roll?? I’m so thankful for the team sharing the emails on the screen while they were being spoken about. Thank you thank you! (No sarcasm). Wonderful episode!

@michaelcobbin Месяц назад

The big difference between iPad and iPad Air is that you can edit videos on the iPad Air. The iPad Air has the power and RAM to do the grunt work that a laptop can do.

@burgundyonly Месяц назад

I mean I kind of expected no iPad OS improvements when WWDC is coming in a month.

@tigernike23 Месяц назад

Squeezing the Pencil is the new 3D Touch.

@DJMHXSTGSRCC 26 дней назад

I came back here a week later to listen to the song inside the lightning round, but I also got one of the new iPads with a Pencil Pro this past week. I can say that I sincerely hope the squeeze gesture doesn’t go the same way as 3D Touch. Not only do the haptics feel great and very convincing, the squeeze gesture is already proving extremely useful.

@audoodle9963 Месяц назад

I would argue the biggest day for the iPad since the first iPad was the first iPad pro in 2015. not because of the iPad but because of the pencil. the pencil feels like the only really strong successful direction for the iPad for creatives and the ipad 2 or first air might be bigger but the introduction of the pencil is definitely a bigger deal than anything we saw today. (So was the first iPad mini. it's kind of a low bar)

@ChanningChea Месяц назад

I used to live in Racine for several months! Fond memories of the town even though I couldn’t imagine wanting to live there again lol

@RiveTheRat Месяц назад

I thought for a moment that "Property Brothers" was a new nickname of Warner Bros., but apparently it isn't, but it absolutely should be from now on

@chasingrainbowsbackwards Месяц назад

It's from the French film "Speed"

@daviddifranco Месяц назад

iPad Pro is like that private jet we all own. Incredibly powerful, but it never actually leaves the runway.

@blackspaceking 28 дней назад

Love you guys channel!🙂

@xjcl6469 Месяц назад

Isn’t the base iPad screen not laminated? Haven’t seen one in a while but it’s hard to go back to a non laminated screen, they just look worse

@thegrumptastic Месяц назад

"And that was the movie Speed in French" he does a whole summary of the movie in French and then talks about the name being wrong as in French as well.

@reckless1280 Месяц назад

La vitesse!

@LongcoatBastard Месяц назад

Speed-e

@DustinCasler Месяц назад

I LOVE the Touch Bar. I really wish I had one on my M3 MBP. I used the Touch Bar every day on my 2017 MBP.

@channel-jm1xj Месяц назад

I would say the thrust for thinness is something apple hasn't really prioritised in the last few years. iPhones and MacBooks have become thicker for example. I think they just couldn't innovate in any other ways with the new iPad Pros. It's just a very mature product.

@kevinshannon9917 Месяц назад

Me before listening: I wonder why this episode is nearly 90 minutes long? Me after 3 minutes and learning of Racine WI pranks: oh, that's why!

@Ya-md3sb Месяц назад

On the Magic Keyboard - please let me know, why can't we get the F-key shortcut for fullscreen in the RU-vid app?

@Byte_J Месяц назад

That’s a question for the RU-vid Product Team.

@airbagsagain Месяц назад

Pencil Squeeze as a middle click or other programmable key. Blender on ipad would be nice.

@nocturnus009 Месяц назад

iPad use case: what is left of Peloton necessitates an iPad going forward?

@Chris_Hruska Месяц назад

its strange that so many folks didn't get the ad. nothing was being destroyed. its just a metaphor for everything that the iPad is capable of. not that its taking anything away or destroying anything just show casing its amazing capabilities.

@aarontierney389 Месяц назад

Even though it wasn't acknowledged when it happened, really appreciate that Alex did the Star Fox reference. It was the first thing I thought of when I saw this new feature

@PokhrajRoy. Месяц назад

FINALLY! SO EXCITED TO HEAR THE DISCOURSE

@edgar116611 29 дней назад

The m4 in new iPad Pro is not that much of increased performance, but what is actually easier from logistics and manufacturing point of view, One CPU architecture then multiple.

@jamiesray Месяц назад

Re: the dongle... Your kids don't need to be on electronics while you travel.

@alxtaco Месяц назад

Bring on Josh Top on pod

@jonathanstaal3921 Месяц назад

Man everyone is just huffing the hopium about iPadOS getting a big update next month. Ever since iPadOS was split off from iOS they’ve used it to avoid having to bring features to the iPad the same year as the iPhone. iPad had to wait a whole year for widgets and the freakin journal app! If the rumors are true that iOS 18 is going to be one of the biggest updates ever with AI integration then there’s a 0% chance that Apple will also devote the resources for a massive rethinking of iPadOS the same year

@crBudgetWatches Месяц назад

Rumour is that this event was to set the stage for the game changer changes the new iPad OS will unveil on WWDC. Hopefully the major revamp will make the iPad hardware useful I am excited for WWDC and what it could bring to iPad .

@datatheandroid8973 Месяц назад

Hilarious lightening round. Leave us alone.....

@abhinavmukherjee2897 Месяц назад

Walking into work humming ‘You didnt leave us alooooooone’

@dubzxn2460 Месяц назад

That song is the end is absolutely amazing “you didnt leave us alone “

@NeroVingian40 Месяц назад

Yeah, I thought the same about the Apple ad. Just last week, two AI services called Udio and Suno was released, that can create music out of just AI prompts. Like Alex said, the art and music industry is in anxiety over technology taking over their jobs, Apple is just not reading the room right here, even when we all know how this AI story is going to end eventually.

@EoinJones Месяц назад

38:46 Hugh Grant if he were cast as a high school jock in a late '90s gross-out comedy.

@dubzxn2460 Месяц назад

Haha the apple law stuff is amazing and keeping track of everything is hilarious and i love the way apple handles everything 😂😂

@kohlmannj Месяц назад

I am here for the deep Racine lore

@WearyTimeTraveler Месяц назад

Why would you need a new processor to drive 2 displays when both displays are displaying the exact same thing at all times? That’s not processing power, it’s a memory copy

@wolfgang4617 Месяц назад

I think the new iPad Airs are a big step forward, because they offer more screen space and more storage than before at a more accessible price point than the iPad Pros did before. Also, I would always suggest to buy an iPad Air over the standard iPad if possible, because the M2 processor in the Air supports Stage Manager, which really improves the usability of the iPad, especially with the bigger screen. Also, the M2 is more future-proof than the A processor. Finally, the Air now also supports the new Pro Pencil with the new functions.

@FuzzyDereck Месяц назад

I get really really irritated when all these critics say “Who really needs an Air? Just buy a Pro!” The Air is EXACTLY for me. I’m an artist & the Air is the more affordable Pro. The Pro crosses the line into overkill [for my needs] so I’m very pleased with the Air. It’s my Goldilocks tablet.

@seanobrien9849 9 дней назад

I think the federal government and/or local governments should get involved in building charging stations. Federal for freeways and subsidize local governments to support charging stations for communities for people who communities that have enough citizens to justify (destinations? I don’t know what the logistics are for optimal locations & capacity if everyone can slow charge at home)

@albertThornyt Месяц назад

No pixel 8a?

@rayray117 Месяц назад

I laugh more listening to this podcast than the comedy ones in my sub. Keep up the great work!

@mypradasatthecleanerss Месяц назад

My problem is that my 2018 Pro 11” was like £800ish new. If I want to upgrade then the 2024 11” Pro is £1128(considering I’ll have to buy a whole new pencil). That’s a big price difference. If I want to spend about the same I can get a 12.9” Air. Cool, with the M2 this is perfect for my use case. What I don’t understand is why I have to give up four-speaker audio, Pro Motion display, FaceID and the ability to use a perfectly functional Apple Pencil 2nd gen?? Throughout my whole time being an Apple user, there’s always been sensible upgrades where the path ahead is clear and there’s a couple of options for which device to buy. This time I’m left clueless.

@audoodle9963 Месяц назад

no headphone jack on a device they want people to use logic on is honestly pathetic.

@unkown34x33 Месяц назад

yep... my thoughts exactly. they expect you to use an interface, but! the mixing software is basically from mac and windows only.... iPads are a joke for that

@Lunnzies 22 дня назад

People who use Logic will be using proper audio accessories. Not a headphone jack

@thebudgetcyclist4310 Месяц назад

What’s this blue thing they’re talking about ?

@AlexanderCheney Месяц назад

Maybe I’m different but Netflix is the one I don’t watch. Nothing on there I’m interested in. 🤷

@crBudgetWatches Месяц назад

What do you watch?

@tenorenstrom Месяц назад

In the EU Netflix is completely devoid of content.

@echowarp Месяц назад

I'm glad we live in the timeline where I can blame Nilay for all of the 32 hours of the Snyder's Cut

@mr.morales0707 Месяц назад

Love the new iPads. Gonna buy the new iPad Pro, Magic Keyboard and pencil pro. Luv it

@willow2893 Месяц назад

unironically i’m a college student who is now failing to cruise on my parent’s subscription bc of password sharing and i’m gonna subscribe to netflix for john mulaney special reasons. stream everybody’s in l.a.

@pancakelegend Месяц назад

Your gold play button is crooked. There, now you know.

@EnochGitongaKimathi Месяц назад

The iPad Pro is the gateway to the Vision Pro and iPadOS is the foundation for Vision OS. There is a possibility that the Pencil Pro will also work with Vision OS. The tablet formfactor is still a challenge to every platform; Windows OS, Android OS, Chrome OS and IPadOS, none have truly delivered. Microsoft will hopefully get it right with Windows on ARM thanks to Qualcomm Snapdragon X Plus. This competition will force Apple to accelerate their iPadOS and Vision OS software strategy. Google could just merge Android for tablets with Chrome OS such that Chrome OS is implemented as the desktop mode like Samsung Dex. Does Pro mean Professional or Productivity or both?

@johchadow Месяц назад

Every new Apple product release makes local news, it's basically just advertising, it's not news.

@WearyTimeTraveler Месяц назад

A 13” device does not have the same functionality as a 10” device, even if they had the same cpu/ram etc which ipad and air don’t

@tstartrekdude Месяц назад

Paul

@GarretEvans Месяц назад

I get the sentiment, but I’m definitely someone who churns off of Netflix. I haven’t had Netflix in a year, and I might buy a month soon to watch one thing. I oddly haven’t churned off of AppleTV+ or the Disney/Hulu bundle. But Netflix raising prices every six months has made it really easy to drop for a while, especially since they also love cancelling your favorite show after a season or two.

@levzowk Месяц назад

Na dude Netflix was the first one I cut, most expensive and ad-supported doesn’t let you use your phone or a chromecast 😂 I’m not turning on my XSX, PS5 of finding my Roku remote every time to watch ads

@nottart331 Месяц назад

There is no need for apple announcements anymore unless there are revelatory new updates.

@MorbidGod391 Месяц назад

18:32 so I’m not an iPad Pro apologist, and won’t be until they fix the big glaring issue with the iPad (hint: it’s not hardware). However, Apple understands that portable computers (yes, the iPad is a portable computer) needs to be thin and light. Especially the iPad since you hold it a lot.

@ColonelSternlove Месяц назад

Boooooring!

@senortilla7239 Месяц назад

Ipad 10th vs Air, go for Air. I have de Ipad Mini and the A chips are worst than the M1 or M2.

@oopsallluke Месяц назад

You’re being way too complementary to Microsoft to suggest that could engineer anything like the iPad Pro… Sure the vague concept bears a likeness but the reality of Microsoft’s hardware is very different.

@aaronrodrigues Месяц назад

why is the resolution 360p?

@MannyJugz Месяц назад

You’re too early. Give it a bit and it’ll upload full res

@aaronrodrigues Месяц назад

Oh okay it’s 1080p now thanks

@chronictown4330 Месяц назад

I use a painting app with a fragile proprietary file format. Specced up m1 12.9 can’t handle it. No way am I spending that money because for what? The Apple Experience is dead.

@unkown34x33 Месяц назад

bro.... of course the macos will work on the iPad! apple made you think that way, but If they do it.. everyone would just accept. I've been using touchscreens on windows for years... it's a god sent

@dubzxn2460 Месяц назад

Every single one of you just disregards that netflix is also pushing to take over crunchyroll and that crunchyroll is the largest in the anime space

@ColonelSternlove Месяц назад

The Verge need to do more polls - what would you buy, IPad Pro, keyboard and pencil OR MacBook Pro w/ mouse?? If most people only want a sheet of glass in Your hand, why would they want macOS? Maybe people want the best? If it does have macOS - it should be only utilised when usb-c’d to a display. Otherwise they will end up having half baked version that people will still moan about…

@transientaf8019 Месяц назад

why did alex stop tweeting?

@SquidVorb Месяц назад

She's on Threads now.

@andrewknight2495 Месяц назад

I’m an Art Director & Illustrator. I love this new iPad Pro and the ad for it. The ad doesn’t bother me what so ever. It’s a creative concept. To say that Apple is killing creativity is wild. Those props are most likely used not working and/or made specifically for the ad. I understand the discourse tho but we’re really speaking on ourselves if that’s what people saw in the ad. It would never be the actual intention of Apple to ruin the arts. I also get Nilay and friends frustration for the iPad in general. Apples creative creator culture kind of took a backseat to the IPhone years. Also you have to realize Nilay has been reviewing the same iPad and same OS functionality for almost a decade at this point so I get the frustration 😂 I’m very happy with the new Pro. I also hope they do push the chip with new software changes.

@SquirreliciousMe Месяц назад

The new pro you haven't used yet... Right.

@andrewknight2495 Месяц назад

@@SquirreliciousMe listen squirrel, if you’ve been using Apple products as long as I have you’d know how much you can expect in performance change between upgrades that I use for my job. Not that hard a concept. Maybe for a squirrel.

@ColonelSternlove Месяц назад

The Verge need to do more polls - what would people/you buy, IPad Pro, keyboard and pencil OR MacBook Pro w/ mouse to use MacOS

@andrewknight2495 Месяц назад

@@ColonelSternloveare you expecting it to be either or? For some people it’s both. Not sure what your point is.

@pluggedev8464 Месяц назад

30 minutes in and they are just going in circles-

@Lunnzies 22 дня назад

The constant condescending comments from Nilay are so frustrating. He moves to shoot down any positive comments from his colleagues as well. "I can't see why the air is meaningfully better than the normal iPad" If you need a keyboard, get an Air or higher. You answered your question. Apple make the normal iPad as cheap as possible for every day users. It's that simple. Since when is choice a bad thing? Capabilities are the same from a computer 3 years ago, to today. Why does the iPad have bigger scrutiny?

@dubzxn2460 Месяц назад

I disagree with the “0” take about netflix i have never ever paid for Netflix until this month and that was because you can share accounts and even after they took that away i didnt buy a Netflix account because theres nothing on netflix that isnt on somewhere else or that i cant get illegally 😂😂😂

@craiggmelville Месяц назад

The whole iPad ad whatever is so overblown, but how did you measure the negativity and not include in the article?

@tecialist Месяц назад

When you guys as tech reviewers say that no one really needs the extra power and upgraded hardware of each new iPad, you’re kind of missing the whole point about consumerism and capitalism. Honestly, nobody needs the latest version of anything. Take the iPhone, for example; it at least gets a camera upgrade every year, so Apple has an excuse to sell new models. But for most other products, there's no real reason to upgrade. Apple, like many other companies, makes a lot of money from these unnecessary upgrades.

@levzowk Месяц назад

The “8GB is enough in a pro” guy is very much an Apple D rider

@tenorenstrom Месяц назад

Your analysis of streaming becomes very shallow when you realize you didn’t bother to check out how these services work in the rest of the world, like the eu. Things are completely different. We have different bundling and pricing (I assume). I pay 5$ monthly for Max, 5 for prime, 8 for Disney+. Netflix is out of the question for me at like 14$ (and it’s a complete wasteland content wise). Almost 3 times the price of other services.

@BowtieJDP 17 дней назад

Streaming sites can keep asking for more money. I’ll cancel it all and invest in more hard drives. Pirate and stream internally. Give me value for money or I’ll go back to your real competition. Piracy. Thanks.

@southwestkinema9149 Месяц назад

When will these guys get it through their thick skulls that not everyone updates their tech every year. We are not all multi millionaire tech reviewers.

@reckless1280 Месяц назад

I haven’t upgraded my iPad since 2018 what are you talking about

@toadlguy Месяц назад

I think you guys are too concerned with dunking on whatever new product you are reviewing. For instance - The new iPad Air is basically the old iPad Pro without the UltraWide lens, Lidar and the ProMotion display, things that arguably don't matter at all (books, movies and games don't need ProMotion: 60Hz is fine) but WITH the new landscape camera, the new pen and a price tag of 599 and a new 13 for 799!!. (Oh, and with Touch ID on the power button instead of FaceID, something I prefer.) I also think you are not seeing how the new Pro model won't be the PREFERRED laptop for a lot of people, and I am talking about for professionals, too. The M4 chip is a real powerhouse and that is a really light and bright device. Yes, they didn't pre-release iPad OS, but you didn't really expect them to with WWDC around the corner, did you? The promise of these devices far exceeds your snark. (On the other hand, Alex's take on streaming is right on the money 😆)

@southwestkinema9149 Месяц назад

It drives views that’s what they do it. It’s boring.

@n00bstude Месяц назад

Endless dunking is boring. We get it isn't a macbook, but it is an engineering marvel. Can that be celebrated?

@Sankcool Месяц назад

they’re discussing the product as it is today, and as of now the M4 vs M3 vs M2 vs M1 all have essentially equivalent experienced performance on iPads because the software limits the range of what you can do to use all of that power. they fully acknowledge and appreciate the engineering but are basically saying it could be so much better with all of that power! which feels more positive/constructive to me than a mindless dunk

@rurounix86 Месяц назад

40:30 Rare L from David Pierce. It was just such an oddly violent and very wasteful ad. It didn't show a flattening, but an outright destruction of very beautiful objects. Maybe if it was CG-ed or something else, the concept might have worked.

@Astromanaught Месяц назад

He's had a few Ls recently. He been flatly wrong about the whole tik tok situation.

@unkown34x33 Месяц назад

bruh completely disagreed... the ad was terrible. it makes me hate iPads even more. what the hell I am saying..m I don't like apple at all

@Tinjinladakh Месяц назад

so these rich people buy apple product every year, imagine Congolese children how many hour to mining those minerals

@shashank1630 Месяц назад

Smallest violin in the world playing. Why should we care about Congo children. Sounds like a job for the government of Congo….

@aamirkaiser Месяц назад

Where do you think the minerals for what device your typing on from?

@Curiousinternetperaon Месяц назад

@shashank1630 imagine thinking Congo has a stable government 😂 imagine thinking you shouldn't care about potentially enslaved people because "it's their govt job" 😂

@00z53 Месяц назад

Womp womp

@dubzxn2460 Месяц назад

Cry me a river

@TheSonofscott Месяц назад

Love the topics, but can you please not say flagship podcast? lmao

@chrismalone449 Месяц назад

So you discuss literally nothing for an hour and a half?

@reckless1280 Месяц назад

That’s our show and people love it

@tigernike23 Месяц назад

@@reckless1280 I was laughing out loud at the prank calling of executives. For some reason that made me think of a classmate I had in high school who discovered a hidden breaker panel right outside the gymnasium. One day he just starts flipping switches and the computer teacher comes running down the stairs and asks him “why’d you cut power to my classroom?”. He got a few Saturday detentions.