The Beginnings of Unitarianism (Intro to Trinitarian Theology) 

That song was terrible and that whole folksy-Americana aesthetic ceased being relevant over a decade ago around the time indie rock and hipsterism died.

Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". .

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And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19

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Heretical prayer: O Mother of Perpetual Help, thou art the dispenser of all the gifts which God grants to us miserable sinners; and for this end He has made thee so powerful, so rich, and so bountiful, in order that thou mayest help us in our misery. Thou art the advocate of the most wretched and abandoned sinners who have recourse to thee: come to my aid, for I recommend myself to thee. In thy hands I place my eternal salvation, and to thee I entrust my soul. Count me among thy most devoted servants; take me under thy protection, and it is enough for me. For, if thou protect me, I fear nothing; not from my sins, because thou wilt obtain for me the pardon of them; nor from the devils, because thou art more powerful than all hell together; nor even from Jesus, my judge, because by one prayer from thee He will be appeased. But one thing I fear: that in the hour of temptation I may through negligence fail to have recourse to thee and thus perish miserably. Obtain for me, therefore, the pardon of my sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace ever to have recourse to thee, O Mother of Perpetual Help. This is a legit Roman Catholic prayer, look up "O Mother of Perpetual Help" if you want to know if it’s legit. This is super heretical. This doctrine of invoking departed saints doesn’t seem just like "hey it’s like praying to a friend.". .

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19

Are you saying Unitarians are trying to destroy the gospel?

@Cato1006 Yes? How are they not? If you deny Jesus' divinity you destroy the whole gospel.

For us there is but one God the Father and one lord Jesus messiah

Yes God is the Father and Jesus is not that almighty God. But Jesus was exalted to God's right hand as the Apostles repeatedly stated in the books of Acts. The book of Acts by its absence of a doctrine of the trinity convincingly proves the allegation by Unitarians that the Trinity doctrine was indeed a later invention created by church leaders who fell in love with Greek philosophy. @@cc3775

No such thing taught in scripture. God formed man from dust and breathed into it the breath of life and man became a living soul.

The scriptures call it the regeneration or the new creation for a reason

Oh interesting! Thanks for the info. That would differ from the sources I read.

Oh! I'll fix that. Thank you for the heads up.

Hey, I tried!

Western Mass. And sure, I'll speak if I'm invited.

@@DrJordanBCooper not too far. Im in lowell.

I like Sam, watch his channel occasionally. He actually did a recent series on church fathers and also a response to Gavin Ortlund that laid out a timeline regarding the establishment of trinitarianism. He would definitely be an interesting conversation partner.

There is no such thing as a Biblical Unitarian.

Rabbi singer?

@@ABLEARC Yes, the most popular

Seeing as they interacted with all three members of the trinity, they did in a way, maybe not in the same way as we do today, but we have 2000-6000 years of biblical hindsight to work with. I think of Luke 16:31 when I see comments like this, because it shows just how right the LORD Jesus Christ was about the faith. Some men will simply never learn.

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19

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@@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool what is pie? I have no clue what you're trying to vocalize here.

And you will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. -Jeremiah 29:13 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life. -John 3:16 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out. - Acts 3:19

@@GirolamoZanchi_is_cool Who so loved the world?

c'mon, trying to use the NICENE CREED to justify Unitarian heresy? You do realize that, exactly 5 LINES LATER, it states that Christ is "True God from True God"? As was the point of the creed, it is anathematizing Unitarianism as heresy, confirming the doctrine of Homoousios, meaning the same substance of the Father is that of the Son (and later the holy spirit)? And no, the OT does NOT deny Trinitarianism or endorse a Unitarian doctrine. Look to Genesis, we clearly see all persons of the Trinity present, The Father is creating, The Son is walking on the creation, and the Spirit is hovering over the waters. All three are distinctly shown, and they are talking amongst each other. Think, why would the Father say "let US make man in our own image"? He isn't talking in the third person, he is talking to the other two persons in God, the only conscious beings up to that point with the capacity to think like this. This is present ALL throughout the OT, this idea of pre-incarnation Unitarianism is bogus.

@toilet_cleaner_man No credible scholar would say Genesis 1:26 is referring to a Trinity. That’s pure conjecture. How many persons did Jesus did have as his God? 1. How many persons is Jesus’ God to this day and for all eternity? 1. Jesus is a Unitarian. That's good enough for me.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:1‭-‬2 KJV

Then why is Jesus making divine claims about himself and accepting worship if he’s only a prophet? Why are the gospel writers taking prophecies about YHWH and applying them to Jesus? Why is Jesus going to judge the world, which is Gods’s job, if he is only a prophet? That isn’t only Matthew 7, but also Islam. Why on earth is Jesus judging the world if Jesus is only a prophet? Why is Jesus saying things like, “Apart from me, you can do nothing” if he was only a prophet? Why is he taking the Divine Name YHWH for himself if he is only a prophet? Why did the early rabbis call him a blasphemer and deserving of his death if he was only a prophet? What claim did he make in order to be called a blasphemer if he was only a prophet? Why should we honour Jesus as we do the Father if he was only a prophet? He’s either a deceiver and false prophet, or he is the Only Begotten Son of God. There is no middle ground.

@@samueljennings4809 luke 4:8 “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.’” The bible is undeniably corrupted, don't you think the trinity, the most important belief in Christianity shouldn't have been explained and elaborated by christ himself? Shouldn't he just said we are a god of three, worship us? If you're referring to the miracles of jesus, plenty of prophets had miracles,should we worship them? If you're basing your belief on the fact the jesus was born without a father, should we worship Adam or eve? They don't have fathers

No.

@@lukehardman3003 No, that isn’t why. The trinity is in the Old Testament, throughout the Exodus, the Angel in Genesis who is the God of Jacob (Genesis 48:15-16), appeared to Moses in Exodus, yet is sent ahead of God who has “put His Name” in the Angel. Who lead the Israelites through the wilderness? god? Or the Angel of the Lord, who is distinct. But, God has sent the Angel ahead, so has God sent Himself? This is also mentioned in the prophets also (Isaiah 63:8-10); God is the only saviour and redeemer, yet the Angel of the Lord, already established to be God in Genesis 48, is the “Angel of his presence”, and “his Holy Spirit” who was has grieved is the one poured out. So, one God, yet 3 persons? 🤔 God, His “Messenger”, and His Spirit. Also, read what I said again. I never said anything about miracles, I never claimed that Jesus was God because there was no biological father. You are putting words in my mouth. I’m only asking you questions that make you realise that the whole “Jesus was only a prophet” thing falls apart when you actually look at history outside of the Bible. The first century Jews outside of the OT called him a blasphemer for a reason. The Christians early on, from a Jewish background, then Gentile, worshipped him as God, and was described as such before 100 AD, and in such a widespread fashion that the only explanation is that this thought was established incredibly early, within the lifetime of the apostles themselves. The issue regarding the Trinity was HOW to describe the Incarnation. It’s telling that the first major heresy was Modalism, not Arianism, almost like the deity of Jesus was emphasised and certain, even if you couldn’t explain it. Read Daniel Boyarin’s works. He is a Jew but he acknowledged that the idea of a multi personal God is not a Christian invention, but came out of close study of the Old Testament. I won’t engage any further, since you putting words in my mouth indicates that this is probably not out of sincerity or good will, but please actually think about what I’ve written and look into it. Second Temple Judaism and the “two Powers” theology had different positions on the multi personal nature of God than modern day Judaism does.

I will add one more thing@@lukehardman3003 if we are misunderstanding each other, I mentioned being the Son of God as deity, not because I was trying to reference the virgin birth, I’m sorry if you thought that and this is why you responded with that, but I never said anything about miracles. I mentioned in another comment about the Incarnation, God becoming man to learn obedience in our struggles, and to be the perfect man that we could not. A part of this is learning to love God, and therefore it is logical that such a God who became man would follow the same approach. This is why Jesus has a God, because he became the perfect man in our stead, which includes loving God. Yes, he has two natures, but I think that’s the real answer. To show us how to live in humility (Philippians 2:6-11). God manifested in the flesh to live as a Servant and do the work that Israel never could, redeemed us, then returned to glory (1 Timothy 3:16). I’m sure that there are many people who can handle the trustworthiness of the Bible, and I pray that you may learn what I did on your journey. I was like you 5-6 years ago before I understood the gospel and how the Bible and the God it teaches about are trustworthy.

When he commanded others to baptize in the name of the "Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" what was he talking about?

@@couriersix7326 Is God eternal, limitless, and infinite in power and wisdom? How then can God be three? Why stop at three? Who polices this limit? Can God forgive sins without the need for a human sacrifice? Who says He can’t? Doesn’t the Lord’s Prayer explicitly instruct us to ask God for forgiveness of our sins as we forgive the sins of others? Isn’t this the only place where Jesus explicitly teaches us how to pray and whom to pray to? If you believe God is three, then there is absolutely nothing stopping God from being three million. You are still placing a numerical limit on God, giving God form. Throughout the Bible, God is described as one, eternal, inconceivable, formless, and invisible. The “Old” Testament isn’t old; it is the eternal word of God. Not a single stroke can be changed, and those who teach others to do so will be seen as least in the kingdom of heaven. I love the passion of Trinitarians, but I’m afraid this Hellenic Greco-Roman influence has truly knocked you off your pathos-pun intended. The Greeks were obsessed with trinities. The state religion of Rome at the time of Jesus was the Capitoline Triad. Greek philosophy was centered on pathos, ethos, and logos. Greco Roman culture included numerous triune deities, triads or trinities from Ancient Greek mythology and cosmology: 1. The Big Three: - Zeus, Poseidon, Hades: The three major gods ruling the sky, the sea, and the underworld, respectively. 2. The Fates (Moirai): - Clotho, Lachesis, Atropos: The three sisters who control the thread of life for every mortal and god. 3. The Furies (Erinyes): - Alecto, Megaera, Tisiphone: The three deities of vengeance who punish crimes against the natural order. 4. The Judges of the Underworld: - Minos, Rhadamanthus. Aeacus: The three judges who determine the fate of souls in the afterlife. 5. The Elder Cyclopes: - Brontes, Steropes, Arges: The three one-eyed giants who forged Zeus’s thunderbolts. 6. **The Hecatoncheires**: - **Briareus**, **Cottus**, **Gyges**: The three giants with a hundred hands and fifty heads, children of Uranus and Gaia. 7. **The Oneiroi**: - **Morpheus**, **Phobetor**, **Phantasos**: The three gods of dreams. 8. **The Three Rules of the Universe**: - **Primordials**: The first gods and entities, including **Chaos**, **Gaia**, **Uranus**, etc. - **Titans**: The second generation of divine beings, children of Uranus and Gaia, including **Cronus**, **Rhea**, **Oceanus**, etc. - **Olympians**: The principal gods of the Greek pantheon who resided on Mount Olympus, including **Zeus**, **Hera**, **Poseidon**, **Demeter**, **Athena**, etc. 9. **The Charites (Graces)**: - **Aglaea**, **Euphrosyne**, **Thalia**: The three goddesses of charm, beauty, nature, human creativity, and fertility. 10. **The Gorgons**: - **Stheno**, **Euryale**, **Medusa**: The three monstrous sisters with snakes for hair, of whom Medusa is the most famous. These triads reflect the Greek tendency to categorize divine and cosmic elements into groups of three, a significant number in their mythology and belief systems.