The Best Espresso Grinder Under £500

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The Grinders (in order of appearance):
Baratza Sette 270: www.baratza.com/product/sette...
Timemore 064S: www.timemore.com/products/tim...
Niche Zero: www.nichecoffee.co.uk/product...
Eureka Mignon Oro: www.eureka.co.it/en/eureka_or...
DF64 Gen 2: df64coffee.com/products/df64-...
Option-O Lagom Mini: www.option-o.com/lagom-mini
Mahlkönig x54: www.mahlkoenig.com/products/x...
Lifestyle Lab video for the X54 Adjustment: • Mahlkonig X54 Burr Cal...
Chapters:
0:00 Intro & Note On "Endgame Grinders"
0:54 The Line-Up
2:59 Dialling In and Workflows
15:41 Grinding Sound Testing
16:53 Blind Espresso Tasting
19:44 Filter Coffee Performance
21:21 Particle Size Analysis (Espresso Grind)
26:23 Grind Speed Performance
26:51 Power Consumption
27:31 Nitpicking The Little Detail That Make Me Angry
38:54 Wrap-Up and Conclusions
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@jasonlinn 5 месяцев назад

James is going to be unstoppable now with a particle size analyzer in studio

@sanatsrivastava2814 5 месяцев назад

😂😂😂😂

@spospartan-104 5 месяцев назад

His Power is UNRIVALED. What next?!

@jasonlinn 5 месяцев назад

@@spospartan-104 electron microscope

@darandavis 5 месяцев назад

I think it would be interesting to correlate coffee taste with particle analysis!

@BenTuhh 5 месяцев назад

Just you wait until James gets his hands on a particle accelerator next for his coffee testing 😂

@Noyb266 5 месяцев назад

Paused the video to thank you for saying these can be end-game grinders for most of us. There’s a lot of pressure to upgrade to the most expensive tool in the espresso world, so that was refreshing to hear.

@dylanhoward718 5 месяцев назад

Same. The wanton consumerism in the coffee world is crazy.

@QuantumHistorian 5 месяцев назад

At some point, it becomes more about wanting to have the shiniest toy than about what the device can actually deliver. You see the same thing with other hobbies: audiophiles spending thousands on their set ups, gamers breaking the bank to get the latest rig every generation, or petrol heads buying a sports car based on how fast it is around a circuit when they have no intention of ever racing with it. There's nothing wrong with wanting to own a cool high-tech thing because it's cool and high-tech; pretending that you'll use it to its full capacity and genuinely appreciate the improvement in its output on a day-to-day basis is (for most people) a little lie they tell themselves.

@marcusslade9804 5 месяцев назад

A tip of the hat and well said. I thought exactly the same thing.

@thorstenl.4928 5 месяцев назад

Agree 100%

@benmulleady7266 5 месяцев назад

Agreed. The law of diminishing returns is very real in espresso gear

@lowbudgetlogistics 5 месяцев назад

James, thank you for including the sound in this video. It’s so incredibly important and not enough reviewers are adding it to their reviews.

@silpheedTandy 5 месяцев назад

16:23 i laughed out loud and found myself saying "OH MY GOD!" at the Baratza Sette grinder. what a friggin' beast, haha!

@h3xag0nal 5 месяцев назад

incredibly important to you maybe. I seem to be in a minority of people who can get over a few seconds of loud noise before a delicious coffee.

@Catheidan 5 месяцев назад

@@h3xag0nal you say that now, but imagine that Lagom Mini RC car noise being on the first things you hear every morning. that's gonna grate on anyone.

@jameshaulenbeek5931 5 месяцев назад

@Catheidan that and the Timemore were both harsh with that high-pitched sound. At work, I deal with engines that are around 116-118 dB, but the frequency they run at will put you to sleep.

@michaellutch1930 5 месяцев назад

The support from Baratza is very slow. I have on this grinder for several years and anytime I have a problem it takes weeks for them to get back to you .

@RoundEjy 5 месяцев назад

I’ve had one of these grinders for 2 years and the coffee industry is so focused on “the next upgrade” or “the end game product” I felt like I just HAD to upgrade. I was looking at the pricey flat burr grinders like they were going make my espresso so much better. After talking to someone who has the same grinder as me and is perfectly satisfied with it and now watching this video I feel a bit like the ungrateful child who always wants more. I’m gonna keep my grinder and be happy about it. Thanks for the video Hoffdaddy.

@Emily-hd9sm 5 месяцев назад

Hoffdaddy LOL that sent me. But that aside, being satisfied with what you have is hard when the industry is always buzzing about flashy new things. So I think it's commendable that you were able to take a step back and really ask yourself if you needed that upgrade!

@JusBThankful 5 месяцев назад

I find it hilarious you're subscribed to "Shawn" Ryan. Oddly, I checked and hoped you would have been 🫡

@SkyForceOne2 5 месяцев назад

its just a freaking grinder after all. at a certain point, its all in your head.

@scrumpymanjack 5 месяцев назад

@@SkyForceOne2Grinder's at least as important as the espresso machine - a fact you must already know if you're watching this video.

@Iceman-xe7jo 5 месяцев назад

It’s marketing. They arent insanely better than one another. People are compulsive buyers especially ones that are OCD about their coffee. What really is going to make your coffee stand out is good fresh roasted coffee.

@ductrung3993 5 месяцев назад

James's gear comparison videos are rare but they are quite a joy to watch!

@ductrung3993 5 месяцев назад

And I hope a filter one will come out soon!

@cybertonto72 5 месяцев назад

How to spot another gear head :) Doesn't matter the hobby we all love the gear !! :D

@ductrung3993 5 месяцев назад

@@GriuGriu64 nor the knockers, wondering what he likes then

@ariadnavigo 5 месяцев назад

The fact that James has been publishing so much scientific analysis about coffee *for free* on RU-vid for all of us to learn how to make better coffee is a gift. I'm not only referring to this video, but many others he has published in the past. (And his books are a treat too!). Thank you, James! ❤☕

@LasstUnsSpielen 5 месяцев назад

We do all pay for it.

@CharlesManuel1 5 месяцев назад

Me: watches 40 minute grinder video Also me: scoops coffee out of my vitamix with a soup spoon

@niurkarey3254 3 месяца назад

😂 I’ve done as well.. you are not alone. 😅

@inviktus1983 3 месяца назад

UNCLEAN

@henkkok9437 Месяц назад

Broh! 😮

@stujansen 5 месяцев назад

3 years with my Niche Zero and it’s never missed a beat. Gives me everything I need for espresso, great work flow, and I LOVE the noise it makes. Recently got an 1zpresso hand grinder for filter and travel. Every new grinder that comes out always gets my interest and promises to be the one for me, but reviews like this help it feel like there’ll always be something missing. Happy to call my current set up end-game for me. Thanks James!

@colew123 5 месяцев назад

I agree! It's never missed a beat. I love it too. I also have a 1zpresso for filter, but I bit the bullet and bought a 078 for filter. 😅

@anthonybotonis5841 5 месяцев назад

Love my niche and need no other

@cuteraptor42 5 месяцев назад

It's definitely the best sounding grinder in this video

@anthonybotonis5841 5 месяцев назад

Because Niche is a conical bur and doesn't require high rpm it doesn't need to be started prior grinding and the work flow is not matched by the other grinders and if you like dark roasts for espresso and latte or caps then you need look no more, also the quiet low pitched grinding I love this grinder

@JE11OW 5 месяцев назад

im exactly the same! v happy with my 1zpresso ZP6 for filter :) and my little niche chilling at home and doing my espressos well

@purepepsii 5 месяцев назад

This can only mean that we may be getting a revamp for: best espresso grinder under £1500, best espresso machine under £500 and best espresso machine under £1500 👀

@kingmidas430 5 месяцев назад

One can hope!

@DaddyMakesCoffee 5 месяцев назад

Dude actually is out of creative subject. Last station of coffee content train. 😂

@demetergrasseater 5 месяцев назад

@@DaddyMakesCoffeenew grinders come out every year. It makes sense to revisit lists like these

@purepepsii 5 месяцев назад

@@DaddyMakesCoffee also the home coffee market is much more sophisticated compared to when those videos originally came out. I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw product comparison videos for grinders and espresso machines around the £3500 mark

@DaddyMakesCoffee 5 месяцев назад

Come on! Tones of same product reviews. Every year new product? Or revised one. Soon we will find out.

@joepangean6770 5 месяцев назад

It seems to me, if I were a grinder manufacturer, that I would use James as a testing consultant on the prototype before scaling to manufacture. He certainly appears better at critiquing features per a "real world" consumer perspective than the engineers producing product models. Reminds me of Dyson which never actually uses the innovative product the way it is supposed to work.

@thud0R 5 месяцев назад

This must cost some

@ian-duh 5 месяцев назад

Frankly I bet they probably don't wanna budget for him. I bet he makes more off the content he makes on fresh reviews than manufacturers want to pay him.

@brenster21 5 месяцев назад

There is a large difference between buying a reviewer and consultant.

@timeafarkas 5 месяцев назад

Ex-barista here, I had the Sette for years now and I'm fairly satisfied with it for something that is decent for both espresso and filter. I think any coffee equipment will be as good as the skill you put into it at the end of the day, but of course when you have really nice equipment it makes your life easier. When I miss high end gear from my coffee shop life, it's usually because of workflow, not so much how the shots taste. This is a great video, and I think buying one of these grinders and then investing in skill acquisition could get anyone going a long way before they need to upgrade.

@devw4967 4 месяца назад

Do you have issues with how loud it is?

@timeafarkas 4 месяца назад

Personally, I don't - but I get mindful of it if it's very early in the morning. If your kitchen is not next to bedrooms, or you don't have thin walls with neighbours, I think it's fine. I am used to louder grinders and this doesn't bother me. It's hard to say how much it'd bother you, but it's definitely audible and there are quieter options on the market. Hope this helps 😊

@ivanjacob_ 3 месяца назад

I would like to add that the sette's internals are completely made of plastic and it breaks quite often. I would avoid it.

@timeafarkas 3 месяца назад

Mine is 4 years old now and had zero issues so far, though I could just be lucky (I also do regular maintenance). I grind between 30-50g a day, which isn't that much I guess.

@DarkPa1adin 2 месяца назад

What's your home set-up now?

@JoeGugel 5 месяцев назад

Just got the DF64 gen2. Excellent build quality. Nowhere near as loud as I was anticipating from RU-vid reviews. I was wishing for this video ~3 weeks ago when I placed my order. Your detailed analysis is appreciated!

@penleypepsi9510 9 дней назад

Is it good for both filter and espresso?

@JoeGugel 9 дней назад

@@penleypepsi9510 It's held up, has the range, and obviously better than the built-in grinder on my Breville Barista Express. That said, I've been doing aeropress more than filter with it

@QLAM 5 месяцев назад

I've had Lagom Mini for over a year. We make 2-3 espressos a day with it and 1-2 pour overs. Our lattes are better than local coffee shop, no complaints. Pour overs are great. As is any other filter coffee we've made. The BIGGEST pro for this is that my wife really likes the size and design AND she she has no issues using it.

@hotfishy 5 месяцев назад

Wife's approval is the most important pro!!

@grady60 5 месяцев назад

How are you doing yr milk for yr lattes?

@bentrademark 5 месяцев назад

@@grady60 you can install an optional steam wand to the grinder. That way you can steam milk for your lattes if your espresso machine can’t.

@Frag-ile 5 месяцев назад

I have an issue with it's name. Lagom is a Swedish word for "just the right amount" and then they go and slap "mini" onto it which just doesn't work, you can't have a miniature variation of something that is supposed to be lagom.

@seanjohnston848 5 месяцев назад

Does yours have numbers? The lack of numbers or clear indication is really odd.

@wezzla 5 месяцев назад

My wife asked me to get a less noisy grinder. I started to look into that but soon I fell into the black hole of grinders. After weeks of researching I was about to pull the trigger on a big helios when my coffee gear dealer help me snap out of it. I walked out with a Eureka Mignon and never looked back.

@mitch_jacobs 5 месяцев назад

I’ve been using the niche zero for almost 2 years now based off the recommendation in the original video however many years ago and have loved it. Overtime you learn to master some of the little quirks that now almost never hinder my workflow. The most important I found was labeling the ring for my favorite coffees and brew methods. V2 would be cool to have those programmable and then obviously the motor run while the hopper is open.

@peterdesroches5607 5 месяцев назад

James, thank you for highlighting/confirming the frustrations that the Eureka line has in switching between filter and espresso.

@dangale6969 5 месяцев назад

A 40 min Hoffmiester video on my Friday afternoon, I must have been good this year, Christmas came early, let me get a fresh brew and relax 🔥☕️

@h3xag0nal 5 месяцев назад

Hoffmeister

@0whitestone 5 месяцев назад

Yes! I love the longer format

@slimerone 5 месяцев назад

James is a legit reviewer , so clear and friendly

@im_Spade_ 5 месяцев назад

He's one of the most clear and friendly people I've ever seen lol

@justindickey9992 5 месяцев назад

I’ve had my Sette 270 for a year now and I’ve loved it. Glad to see it get such high praise here. No buyers remorse for me!

@elaphantykid8016 5 месяцев назад

Same here, I bought mine used and have had it for a couple months now and it's amazing. Sound doesn't bother me at all, my milk steamer louder anyway 😂

@jsg_nado2219 5 месяцев назад

I love mine too, it's the endgame for me honestly. I knew before clicking on the video that James would hate the noise. It is definitely loud 😆

@Sigridv92 2 месяца назад

Have you tried this with filter coffee? I watched a review where someone said it doesn't male a good filter coffee, is this true?

@jergarmar Месяц назад

I actually use the Sette 30 for espresso/filter, I've been VERY happy with it. For espresso I've got my Flair, so I can adjust a lot of factors (to make up for the loss of grinder setting control). For filter I use immersion-style devices like the Aeropress and French press.

@jbneal2k8 5 месяцев назад

I just bought the Df64 with the sap high uniformity burrs after trying to stick with a virtuoso+ for espresso. Quality of grind from it is impeccable, machine is easy to use. No regrets after going between this and the niche for the last few months as to which to buy. Much appreciated your gen1 review of the df64, it allowed me time for me to make a much better purchase decision!

@deanpatmor6991 5 месяцев назад

I make both filter and espresso with my Sette 270 every day. The ability to switch back and forth easily is important to me and the Sette has consistently yielded excellent results.

@Girvo747 5 месяцев назад

Yeah. It might be loud, it might be plasticky, but it makes phenomenal coffee :)

@jasondean9631 5 месяцев назад

I have the Sette too. Using it mostly for espresso the last 3 years with no issues at all. I’m just getting into V60 pour over. Can I ask what grind range you find good for filter - V60 and auto drip machine?

@rocketsfancheif 5 месяцев назад

I've had a sette for 9 months and love it for espresso. I read once online it was bad for filter so I just hand grind. What's your filter/espresso setting? I'm at 17C for espresso.

@anttitenhunen4725 5 месяцев назад

I have Sette 270 Wi with the built-in scale. I think the weighting makes it great and very easy to use with pretty consistent doses ^^ I actually bought Wilfa Uniform for filter coffee because of the hopper that makes it too much a chore to change from espresso to filter and back :D

@stupetify 5 месяцев назад

It will be hard to compare machines, I have a sette 270 as well and the exact settings you use for espresso grind will depend on the burrs and how many shims you have put under the burr@@rocketsfancheif. I use ~6D currently for my espresso but I have one of the shims installed.

@ebusive 5 месяцев назад

I'm glad you touched on sound quality and quantity. Really reinforced my decision to get the Niche. I don't want to end up hating any part of my workflow and a shrill and loud grinder would definitely detract from it

@deeptijmenon 5 месяцев назад

I bought the sette 270, 3 months ago. I’m so glad to see it up here. It’s loud, but I use it to make 3-4 espressos daily, I haven’t found the sound to be such an issue for me. I have nothing to compare it with though. Was hand grinding for espresso before, this has been a god send. I’m also happy to hear you say that, there is no apparent reason to upgrade from this grinder. As always, love your videos.

@ecognito3 5 месяцев назад

Used the Baratza Sette 270 for ages and very happy with it. One lesser mentioned feature is that the Aeropress fits nicely under it. So if you are a big Aeropress user as I am you can grind directly into it. Similar to others the lack of retention and such are also attractive. I like the design where the beans drop straight through, not having to be shunted around into the chute. Yeah, it could be quieter but doesn't especially bother me (and I'm a bit noise sensitive.) I'm going to try starting the motor before dropping the beans through to see if it makes any difference. Always learning something news from James' videos.

@gottowonder7168 5 месяцев назад

I very much agree, I didn't know that it actually could fit an aeropress under it. The sound I feel my be louder but it's a better quality sound. Others has a high pitched Ringing, where the sette had a deeper vibration sound. Making it (in my opinion) a much better option

@thermiter36 5 месяцев назад

I've had the Sette 270 for years and I find its flexibility to be an underrated asset. When I want to be a coffee nerd, it has the continuously adjustable dial and low retention, but when it's Monday morning and I just want coffee now, the big hopper and very fast grind speed make my life noticeably better. If you're like me and have a partner who drinks mostly filter and is not as picky about freshness, the big bucket and fast speed are very convenient for pre-grinding 20 doses of filter for the partner, so that I only have to dial in my espresso grind once every two weeks instead of every day.

@velvetvert9431 5 месяцев назад

I adore my lagom mini. I make espresso for drinking as a long black with splash of oat milk, or oat milk latte, and it works perfectly for that. The form factor is the real winner though. Between that and the wee bambino plus I can have a coffee station that doesn't get in the way in the kitchen. Admittedly I mostly watched this video for soothing background coffee chat.

@dannyrojas4101 5 месяцев назад

Literally my exact same set up, and wholeheartedly agree. The quality of shots I can get w/ this combo rivals & exceeds the majority of my local coffee shops. For under $1000 total, really hard to beat.

@turtleanton6539 Месяц назад

It looks so cool !

@user-ge9uz9nn6j 5 месяцев назад

I have been using my Sette for a year now. It works for both espresso & pour overs and is clean operating with very low retention. There is nothing in its price range comparable. In line ups like this the Sette gets short shrift because less to discuss. The worst thing to point out is the sound, but the speed makes it last only10 seconds at a time. This is a solid performer at an exceptional price. Thank you for the plethora of content this month, it is like getting extra presents.

@ThePoisonousFish 5 месяцев назад

sorry to correct you, but retention is typically >= .7 grams, which for e.g. a classic standard equals 10%. i'm still using it myself (always dumping the first gramm), but it just baffles me how some people can complain over tiny things like particle distribution while others dismiss facts in the (huge) ten percent range.

@LyonKnight24KX 5 месяцев назад

I love watching your videos because I'm still trying to find out how to make the perfect coffee for me (that also includes my equipment). As a baby coffee connoisseur, I appreciate you and the channel ❤️

@paulhearne9898 5 месяцев назад

Have used the Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose grinder for between 3 and 6 espressos every day for just over a year. It is built like a tank, sounds quality and volume is good and it’s so quick that the noise lasts for less time. Don’t use it for filter (have a Kinu M47 for V60/Aeropress) but love it for espresso.

@sinosoul 4 месяца назад

How are you dealing with the bellowing? Does it blow fines everywhere?

@bigglyguy8429 Месяц назад

@@sinosoul I have the older Specialita and bought custom-made bellows for it. It's just nice to know you don't have stale coffee from yesterday it.

@B1gC4st 5 месяцев назад

Want to redo the video for grinders under 200?

@bluetoad2668 Месяц назад

If you're spending that little on your grinder what are you doing watching James?

@DaarkCloud Месяц назад

@@bluetoad2668James could be the best person to ask. He could find the hidden gem

@petercopland7497 Месяц назад

Dont be a putz@@bluetoad2668

@petercopland7497 Месяц назад

@@bluetoad2668stop being a putz

@14Ramjet Месяц назад

With the DF54 released, they aren’t wrong that a grinder around $200 should be revisited

@ellgareclaire 5 месяцев назад

df64 gen 2 comes with cup extender/dosing ring which makes the cup closer to the exit chute so it does not make any mess when you use the bellows

@im_Spade_ 5 месяцев назад

Good to know. I'm pretty interested in that one as my first electric grinder. I've been using a hand grinder by 1ZPRESSO for over a year now

@ilkzode1822 5 месяцев назад

1zpresso k ultra tasted 99.9 % of the time better than my previois df64 and df83!!!

@scout8112 5 месяцев назад

I always use the extender ring and pump with the bellows on the DF64 before all the coffee has been ground, so hardly any coffee is spilt.

@lefty77713 5 месяцев назад

Yep. Also, if you press with the correct pressure, you can get the bellows to not make a mess even without the ring. But the ring makes everything better. Also for what it's worth, it looks REALLY good in white, as opposed to the cheaper looking black that seems to be the standard.

@djbusters 5 месяцев назад

Grinder comparison is what i had been looking for quite some time. As almost always you were good. Objective and subjective where you needed to be. Brilliant work. Thank you for this great video. ❤ Had high hopes from X54. Hope they get better in the future.

@celticdr 5 месяцев назад

I love James's rants - he sounds like the voice inside my head whenever I use any form of technology, please never stop being James James ❤

@ismiregalichkochdasjetztso3232 5 месяцев назад

I got the Timemore 078s during kickstarter for what is now the list price of the 064s, and I couldn't be happier. Great grinder.

@smellylettuce 5 месяцев назад

Nice! Still waiting on mine to ship. Really looking forward to it.

@Pandabrah_D 5 месяцев назад

Same, I just got mine a week ago and my light roast pour overs have never been brighter and tastier. It also check off all the marks in aesthetics for me so I'm glad James approves as well haha

@briers9 5 месяцев назад

Love mine too. Unbelievable grinder.

@NeilNatic 5 месяцев назад

Waiting on my 078 🥹😭

@docforven 5 месяцев назад

ive read/seen videos suggesting that the espresso range is very tight and that a small turn of the dial can change the output time by quite a bit (like, 1 tick = 10 seconds). Has this been your finding?

@JackOusley 5 месяцев назад

I have the sette 270 Wi model, and what I love is that I don't have to worry about using a scale, especially because my machine has volumetric dosing. I agree that the build and sound is terrible, also the lid on mine will not stay on. Oh, and the sette has near zero retention which was also a big feature to me.

@fudztown 5 месяцев назад

This is the next level! Thanks for pushing the science of coffee to new levels. Very impressive!

@ronbuck9791 5 месяцев назад

I have had a Gen 1 DF64 for well over a year now. I am now using 4 sprits of water after weighing my beans and am very satisfied with the limited to no retention and little static I get with this machine using this method. The new DF64 seems much improved but I don’t think I can justify upgrading. The espresso I am getting is great. I have a Bezzera Aria which paired up well with this grinder for my purposes. Thanks for your channel. I always enjoy the content.

@arturotinajero11 5 месяцев назад

I've had my DF64 Gen 2 for about 3 months and paid about $382 (I'm guessing some promo). I'm very happy with it. I make filter coffee everyday and espresso maybe 4 days/week. Very easy to dial in and to clean the burrs. I was between that and the Niche Zero, but for the price it was a no-brainer for me. I was just waiting for James' approval of that grinder lol.

@marck.5116 5 месяцев назад

I'm about to buy it. The only thing holding me back is the sound...is it that loud?

@arturotinajero11 5 месяцев назад

@@marck.5116 It’s nowhere near to being quiet. Unfortunately I don’t own another grinder to compare them. But it’s not a noisy-deal breaker to me.

@trickystitch 5 месяцев назад

@@marck.5116 I have a Gen 2. It is loudish but the sound itself grates more than the level of sound. It's smooth and quiet when running without beans. Putting the beans causes the grating. 6-8 seconds worth typically. I will/would live with it, as in terms of overall value for money, it's great.

@VoicelessScream 5 месяцев назад

I personally love my DF64 (v4 I believe). I actually 'sidegraded' from a Eureka Mignon Specialita and it was the best coffee decision I ever made. While it is on the louder side of things while grinding, it doesn't matter much to me. Cleaning it (burrs) doesn't really require taking it apart (which is tooless anyways) and dialing works very well. It does get messier with larger particles (at filter level) but nothing a quick wipe won't manage. For the price paid, it's a no brainer (ordered directly from df64coffee or similar, ships from Singapour I believe ?)

@raspaccio 5 месяцев назад

I bought the Niche years ago after watching your review, and I still love it! It has quirks for sure (the grind size indicators are completely wrong) but it looks really nice on the counter, it is very quiet (for a grinder) and the consistency of the coffee that comes out of it is excellent. A belated thank you for that review/recommendation, James 🙏

@OTNCBC 5 месяцев назад

Which grind settings work for you for different methods? All the best.

@raspaccio 5 месяцев назад

@@OTNCBC When I am doing pour over I often set the grind size indicator in the region where the hinge of the "lid" is. And for espresso I set it on the letter "e" of the word "fine". Of course it all the depends on the individual coffees... hope that helps.

@benmulleady7266 5 месяцев назад

Once again your timing is superb. Sold my higher end stuff last year as didn't feel I was getting the use out of it. Now really miss 'real' coffee and looking at getting a solid but cheaper set up, had a niche before but the rest will be really interesting. Thanks James and a Happy Christmas

@pieterbaert 5 месяцев назад

Great update to your previous grinder comparison videos. Thank you for all of the work and expertise you put into this. Very valuable for less experienced home coffee makers like me. I recently purchased a filter+espresso 1 dose grinder and found it very difficult to decide. I opted for the Varia VS3 Gen2, based on some research. Look and size were also important elements for my decision. Off course I was hoping for you to include this model in your overview, so I could learn if I had made an optimal decision or not. Maybe next time. ;)

@Fuuntag 5 месяцев назад

James doing a product roundup in a price bracket; like a warm childhood blanket. ❤

@glennluteraan4434 5 месяцев назад

I have a Sette 270 and one nice thing is that it does have an optional burr for pour-over that is a noticeable improvement over the stock espresso burr for that purpose. I have also noticed a much improved experience with the pour-over burr or refilling my Nespresso pods. The Nespresso (used at the office) no longer clogs or is too coarse and thin and it runs my home roasted (Ambex 2kg roaster) coffee at a good speed with excellent results.

@user-hd4fl2js7z 5 месяцев назад

I have been making espresso and filter coffee with the Baratza vario for the last 4 years and would be quite curious to see where it would stand in this type of comparison. Thank you for all the time you put in making these videos to educate us. Going down the rabbit hole with you as a guide has been a fantastic journey so far. Cheers!

@LLS.R 5 месяцев назад

I have the DF64 V5. I am using it with the round declumper thing, a stainless steel cup and angled holder. Works like a charm. No mess and not a lot of static. I think the DF64 is still the best bang for your buck grinder.

@TainakaRicchan 5 месяцев назад

I have a Sette for 5 years or so now and am still very happy with it. Yes, it is like starting a jet engine, but that never bothered me that much. What I really like is the easy if cleaning and that is has almost zero retentions, because of the open burr. It also ahs been very easy to 3D print a single dose hopper :)

@Shazbat5 5 месяцев назад

And the speed of the Sette is insanely fast.

@Abdullah-cj2mh 4 месяца назад

Is it similar to the Encore ESP? It’s the one I’m planning to get so I hope the taste review of the Sette is similar. I think they have the same or at least very similar burrs.

@TainakaRicchan 4 месяца назад

@@Abdullah-cj2mh From the pictures it seems based on the Sette 30, the "little Sister" of the sette 270 (which has two rings to adjust grind size) I would expect the Encore ESP to taste very similar to the Sette 30, but I hevn't tried the 30, just the 270, where you have much fienr control over the grindsize, due to the non-setpped fine adjustment ring.

@budgieishere 5 месяцев назад

I think the wattage draw is a great addition to these comparisons. It's used a lot for computer parts and increasingly is a great information point for home use. Thanks James!

@MDCDiGiPiCs 5 месяцев назад

Really enjoyed the deep dive into the grinders. As an owner of an old Eureka Mignon, I agree with the frustrations regarding grind adjustment, but that aside, a solid grinder which I purchased second hand for very little money. if I could buy another for the same price, I certainly would & just use each one for different roasts.

@tylerwright6006 5 месяцев назад

Finally! A grinder review for the grinders I actually look at :P putting them all head to head! I backed Timemore and got the early bird special, but before that I was looking at the X54, the Niche, and the mignon. :P This will be fun to see them all stacked against eachother :) Ill update after finishing the video

@jaymerryfield 5 месяцев назад

I appreciate James’s comments about the Eureka grinder. I chose a Mignon for my espresso grinder, and fully concur with the UI issues; the stepless grind adjustment is not useful for multiple brew methods but awesome for dialing in one specific method. I find that Eureka grinders seem to be lost in the online conversation about the newest and hottest grinders, when they are solid, well built, refined performers who do their job without too much fuss.

@manuelsigrist3789 5 месяцев назад

I would actually like another adjustment wheel on my mignon - switching between two different beans can be a bit frustrating since the small wheel sits quite high above the indicator mark... switching back and forth between two espresso settings is always down to some readjusting. I also found the alignment of the two burrs to be a bit of a weak spot. It can be quite a bit of work to get the two burrs perfectly leveled. love the grinder but I probably would go for another option now.

@CreepyBigfoot 5 месяцев назад

@@manuelsigrist3789which one would you go for? I would like to switch between decaf and normal beans easily. Can't get the niche unfortunately though...

@sinosoul 4 месяца назад

There’s a ton of chatter about the mignon specialitta on Reddit etc. tons of people modding it into basically a oro. The oro is just too expensive for what it is.

@LifestyleLab_ 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for the shout out James! An excellent run down as always. Having only experienced 5/7 of these grinders myself it was an interesting watch

@catastrophicblues13 5 месяцев назад

I have a Sette 270Wi, which doses by weight, and I love it. It's noisy as hell, but it also turns out that I'm an incredibly deep sleeper and even that thing in the kitchen didn't really bother me. I love that I can set the weight and forget about weighing my beans. I don't really see the problem with the buttons and the display, I think it has a charming, retro look to it that it does pull off quite well. I did once manage to get it stuck after I took out the burr and it refused to go back in, so I had to spend about $100 for repair....but I do love it as an owner.

@Tobez 5 месяцев назад

The niche zero sounds WAY better than most grinders I've heard.

@toasterboy708 5 месяцев назад

It’s got its own, very distinctive note that is a pleasure to hear in the mornings.

@8pin 5 месяцев назад

I love the sound of our Niche waking me up from bed. I immediately start imagining the pleasure of the tasty morning espresso coming in a minute or two… I feel like I will never need another grinder. ❤

@Mebibit 5 месяцев назад

As a Baratza Sette owner, I wish I could still hear things.

@toasterboy708 5 месяцев назад

@@8pin and then the silence of my Cremina as I’m pulling a shot… something just Zen about the pairing.

@toasterboy708 5 месяцев назад

@@Mebibit RIP your eardrums, and your partners sleep in.

@daisdead 5 месяцев назад

To reduce retention with the Lagom Mini and minimize that waiting game, I've found that removing the top, and lightly tapping with your palm accomplishes the bellow function. I think most hands have a large enough palm given the grinder's size to create the air seal to push air through when tapping. Hope this helps!

@alexanderrivero8467 5 месяцев назад

they make aftermarket 3D printed bellows specifically for the lagom mini, and if you don't hate bellows like James does, they're a lifechanging attachment.

@frederickbottger2854 5 месяцев назад

I just pick it up and blow on it, and make sure I don’t stick my tongue out so it doesn’t get caught in the burs, very little grinds actually come out though, I’m not sure why I still do this.

@JanGottschau 5 месяцев назад

exactly super easy and works perfectly just keep it running and thump it :)

@HD-su9sq 5 месяцев назад

That was the most thorough and thoughtful comparison.Thank you!

@beanbrowner 5 месяцев назад

The Varia VS3 would have been a great addition to this lineup. A separate video on the DF64V would be fantastic! It’s a killer grinder… Stellar video as usual though.🤙🏻

@unknown1363 5 месяцев назад

Agree, I also think retention should be talked about for an espresso grinder line-up like this since it heavily changes the dialing in process.

@richardhaselwood9478 5 месяцев назад

Agreed, if only because I just bought one ;)

@Kuchenrolle 5 месяцев назад

Agreed. It's really disappointing that it wasn't included when all the reviews for the new generation are so favorable and the pricing is so competitive.

@lc9245 5 месяцев назад

I agree the Varia deserved to be there but it might have been UK availability. The DF64V on other hand is too expensive. If the 064 is available, the prone to stall DF64V is made almost irrelevant. I concede that pricing can vary wildly. The 64v is 3/4 of the 064 in where I was situated, which made it worth it.

@lurklingX 4 месяца назад

james, we need a PART 2!! lol with all the ones listed here and under this comment, we ought to have enough machines for one.

@ElBoyoElectronico 5 месяцев назад

I have been rocking the Eureka Mignon Specialitta for 4 years and it still produces great results. I bought a 3d printed single dose modification, but hardly ever use it. For travel purposes my old Commandante C40 still does a great job. I feel no need to ever upgrade with this setup.

@dingus153 5 месяцев назад

I have absolutely zero complaints with my Sette 270wi, it's worked flawlessly since I got it a few years ago and I'm so glad I splashed for the weight based dosing. It's loud, sure, but being a straight through grinder I've found it pretty clean to use

@thomaslowry7813 5 месяцев назад

I have the same grinder and it has been great. I did have one issue with the motor. They replaced it without question and the replacement motor was much quieter than the original. Grinding into the catch bin is way easier and less messy than direct into the portafilter, and the scale seems as accurate as my coffee scale.

@scareneb 5 месяцев назад

Hi James, great vid! 2 years with my Eureka and I love it. Worth mentioning that you can get it in white, black, or chrome (which I have) which looks fantastic next to my stainless ECM machine and the grinder feels solid and premium. I don't have issues with changing to filter as I've created a process for going to and fro but the numbers and markings on the grind dial are beginning to fade so I am now cautious with changing it. The sound is also very pleasant and great to see it comparably nicer than the others in this video. I wasn't aware of the incompatibility of the burrs which is a shame but I hadn't considered an upgrade. Another small annoyance I have is the button being on the right side quite far back, and as my espresso machine sits to the right of my grinder it means I have to squeeze my hand in to turn it on/off, I would much prefer the switch to be on the top. Also worth noting you can take the bellows off and just sit the lid on the hopper if you don't wish to use them!

@fransenfiets 5 месяцев назад

Love my Lagom Mini - crazy good grind and basically no retention, with superb build quality

@tomsgrinderlab 5 месяцев назад

Great comparison thanks! Having had most of these grinders but I would have included the Varia VS3 Gen 2 but I do appreciate they are currently hard to get hold off.

@our.latte.journey 5 месяцев назад

Coffee making has been such a joy since I got my 064S , especially for *ONLY* £270 at early bird price, upgrading from a hand grinder. The wait was definitely worth it 😁

@Abrikosmanden 5 месяцев назад

Absolutely stonkingly good report! Thoroughly executed and very well explained!

@lindapindabelinda3570 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for all of this information. One of my New Year’s resolutions was to up my coffee game. Thanks to you, I now know that none of it will be espresso because I don’t have that kind of budget. Looking for a hand grinder next.

@RedRoverTW 5 месяцев назад

I've used the Eureka Mignon Specialita for years & want for nothing. It's easy to dial in, quiet, built very well, fast, easy to clean, very low retention, cheap, & makes great coffee. I don't change burrs & only drink espresso, so it's never been a problem.

@bogdanadzic9305 5 месяцев назад

U can put ssp burs in it custom made

@GabrielParadelo 5 месяцев назад

Also very happy with my Specialità

@bogdanadzic9305 5 месяцев назад

@@GabrielParadelo its fine i got the newer model i never opened it tho

@SteebMo 5 месяцев назад

Came here to say the same. Very happy with it as and espresso-only, non single-dose grinder (I'm living "that life" according to JH). It's fast, quiet, robust and looks/feels really nice. I do think it's got the same issue with SSP burrs not being available though... Lance did a video with some other burr options I think.

@sickisaki 5 месяцев назад

@@bogdanadzic9305where can you get these burrs for the specialita?

@ritaweygint4038 5 месяцев назад

Eureka Mignon Zero here. Got it as an “Open box” discount (Under $350.00) but it was as new. It is heavy, but very quiet and is a beautiful machine.

@FlexWheeler88 5 месяцев назад

Was about to buy one of the other grinders, waited thought about it, heard about Timemore´s new grinders, did some amateur coffee maths and ended up backing Timemore´s 78s. I´m super happy I got it, a real gem. Glad you like the 64s. I uprgaded from a Porlex hand grinder, although I tried several known grinders from friends, I wasn´t completely happy with them. The 78s seemed like the ultimate move🤷‍♂

@iainbomphray8057 5 месяцев назад

I have a Lagom Mini paired with a Sage Bambino Plus. It’s my first speciality coffee setup following a hitherto latent susceptibility to the subject - thank you Mr Hoffman - so, is my only frame of reference. The omission of the numbers is unfathomable. I like the grinder and the coffee it produces. I like the espresso the majority of the time. I use it with lighter roasts and I’m experimenting with flavour profiles and origin characteristics, so it’s helping me on my coffee journey. To that extent I’m very pleased with it. I would like a flat burr grinder but am under no immediate pressure to upgrade. I also have a camper van and throw the grinder in the coffee box for the beach side experience. Very civilised and versatile.

@vegitax 5 месяцев назад

I've had my Niche for over a year now. I paid ~800€ for it with taxes and haven't really regretted buying it even for a second. Makes excellent filter coffee and superb espresso. It's my first real espresso grinder and will probably be my last too. It's built like it's going to last a lifetime and it is highly serviceable.

@aaronboggs5799 5 месяцев назад

I’ve had mine for roughly the same amount of time and feel similarly. Mine has been on espresso duty exclusively until recently, and I’ve been happy with the filter results, too. To be honest, I wonder how much more I could get from a higher end grinder - right now I think the limiting factor may actually be my palate. For now, I’ll continue working to develop that, along with my technique.

@bobgruner 5 месяцев назад

I had a Sette 270Wi for a couple of years, but I mostly make pourovers, and found that it produced too many fines, to the point that the filter would get clogged the brew would take forever. Plus it was a pain to keep clean - coffee dust got into every nook and cranny and it was kind of a pain to take apart. On the plus side, Baratza customer service was a pleasure to deal with. I had to send the grinder back to them for repair and they updated the electronics to turn it from a 270W to 270Wi for free. (I should note that Baratza does not recommend using the 270Wi as a single dose grinder - something about having a full hopper helping with it dialing in the weight calculation.) I sold the Sette after getting a Niche, which I liked quite well. It makes great expresso, but it also produces a lot of fines (it's really easy to clean, though). I still wanted something for my daily pourovers, so I got a Lagom P64 with unimodal burrs, which is outside the price range of James' review. It produces very few fines compared to the Sette and the Niche (it depends on the coffee), but it's not as easy to get into and clean as the Niche, unfortunately. However, I love the coffee I make with even though it's overkill for pourover.

@degamma8 5 месяцев назад

I ❤ my lagom mini, i got it almost 2 years ago after they fixed the motor stalling issues. I think your remarks are pretty accurate. I do a pour over most days and around 2-5 shots of espresso a week. It was a huge upgrade from my encore and I might consider getting a niche duo or other flat burr grinder along side it and make the lagom a more dedicated filter grinder. But all in all I love it even on its own!

@LERobbo 5 месяцев назад

Very VERY good video on grinders. Thanks James!

@Counterflak 5 месяцев назад

Shoutout to my fellow Timemore backers, we got the Hoffmann tick of approval 😂

@saulkyut 5 месяцев назад

064s master race!

@VarmDild 5 месяцев назад

I would really like to hear him compare the 064s and the 078s! (I got the 078s)

@saulkyut 5 месяцев назад

@@VarmDild are there issues with the 078s? I think it boils down to what you can afford. As someone who’s more tight on the budget, I could only afford to back the 64s at that time. But if I could, I would’ve gotten the 78s

@briers9 5 месяцев назад

I love my 078s. I’ve had so much consistency and ultimately a whole new world of flavour and discovery with it and the various beans I’ve put thorough it. Even a bad shot on it tastes better than some of the best shots I managed on the sage pro grinder before.

@sammu 5 месяцев назад

Valuable Friday video for us peasants. I have the Sette, only complaint is that it's WAY too loud. I also had no clue Baratza was bought out by Breville. This doesn't make me happy.

@chton 5 месяцев назад

Likewise, i don't like that news. I guess we'll find out where they take the brand.

@dubinmarks1 5 месяцев назад

I like my 270wi... added a pice of acoustic fome behind it and it sits close to my espresso machine so for me it is not quite but better... Hope Bevel leaves it alone

@Silatas86 5 месяцев назад

Breville purchased Baratza in 2020. Since then, they have used Baratza conical burrs in the new Impress lineup of machines and they still ha e fantastic customer service. I have a second hand Baratza Forte that had a lot wrong with it (touchscreen had dead zones, burr carrier was messed up, etc.). But, for $112 they repaired/replaced everything except the burrs themselves. So far, Breville has been doing some smart things in regards to Baratza.

@jake7808 Месяц назад

@@Silatas86 Baratza burs are also in the Breville Barista Pro

@dmcgrail 2 месяца назад

Such a great evalution love the honestly and feel feedback. Well done James

@ahmeterginkarahan 5 месяцев назад

Two weeks ago, I published my Eureka Oro Mignon Single Dose unboxing video on my channel. It has only been used for espresso yet and it works as I expected. The metal slot under the dose container is magnetic. If you do not want to use the dosing container, you can grind coffee directly into the basket by placing the portafilter on the metal slot. After pumping the bellows, retention is close to zero. This was a great comparison video, thanks James! 🙌

@pretty_okay 5 месяцев назад

I have had my sette 270 for two years now and I still love it. The only downside is the sound of a starting yet engine every time when you want a coffee. But i can live with it.

@michaelfisher7841 5 месяцев назад

DF 64 Gen 2 for me. It now comes with an extra metal attachment to the top of the cup which doubles as a great collar and makes the grinding and prep a lot less messier. Very happy with this grinder.

@stevesam96 5 месяцев назад

Wish this was pointed out in the video. The attachment can also be used on a 58mm portafilter.

@kamengamer7320 5 месяцев назад

I just bought a Lagom Mini to gift my girlfriend this christmas! And after watching your review, I think I made the right choice.

@stephenage88 5 месяцев назад

Amazing, I have been hoping for the day when James reviews the Lagom mini ever since spotting it in the collab video with French Guy Cooking last year, glad it shines as a filter coffee grinder as so far that's all I use mine for since buying 1.5 years ago. Still yet to get into espresso, but perhaps 2024 is the year... Great video, thanks so much for the effort and time you put into every review!

@JamesScholesUK 5 месяцев назад

I backed early and picked up the Timemore 078 for under £500. One minor UX issue is that it's not super easy to see exactly what grind setting you're on at the fine end, especially of your coffee corner isn't well lit. I've used a chalk pen to more clearly mark the lines and it makes a huge difference. Definitely an end-game grinder for me until life circumstances dramatically change.

@holbek86 5 месяцев назад

Another that would have been great for this comparison would have been the Varia VS3 (2nd Gen). Owned it for a couple months now, and loving the results. A huge step up from my Barista Pro built in grinder

@bobololish 5 месяцев назад

Totally agree VS3 is in top3 with niche and df64 for me

@holbek86 5 месяцев назад

@@bobololish I was debating Lagom Mini or VS3, so would have been nice to see both being compared by James the Great

@CoffeeDJN 5 месяцев назад

I agree, wish he would have added it

@amitmargalit4551 5 месяцев назад

The VS3 is too similar to the lagom mini. I don’t think this would bring much to the table

@bobololish 5 месяцев назад

@@amitmargalit4551 VS3 seems way faster than Lagom Mini and got 38mm burrs i think vs. 48mm for the Lagom so worth a comparison I guess Burr size is almost my only concern about VS3 I’m afraid of espresso light roast with it And I’m not really fan of the lagom mini for reason James pointed out (grinding time, dialing, and I’m not really fan of global design)

@darylgrunau 5 месяцев назад

Another great comparison video as we all have come to expect from James. I’d also throw in another recommendation for having Varia v3 on the list

@DannyP... 5 месяцев назад

Love the Moka Pot poster! And another fantastic video. Merry Christmas James

@GrantGuarino 5 месяцев назад

I’ve had a Niche for a few years now, still going strong! I have also noticed though that it does produce a decent amount of fines, especially when grinding for filter coffee. I’ve also had the same experience with the coarseness setting for filter coffee sort of being “off the charts” or past the grind setting markings.

@kevadu 5 месяцев назад

I also have had a Niche for a while and all these years I've been grinding filter on the fine end of its range...well, my most common filter is Aeropress which isn't as sensitive but still...

@Cjur 5 месяцев назад

I love my Niche, but I've just accepted that it produces too many fines for my pour over filter.

@OTNCBC 5 месяцев назад

Any recommended grind settings/times for aeropress? @@kevadu

@OTNCBC 5 месяцев назад

Do you have any specific recommended grind settings that you've found works great?

@feilik 5 месяцев назад

I found the fines issue tough with affordable grinders. I hd several Wilfas which were worse. With the Niche I used to slowly load the dose bit by bit which made a difference but these days I just adapt my pourover technique to fines, zero agitation works well.

@benjamindevaux4336 5 месяцев назад

Thanks for another great comparison video! I have owned a Baratza Sette for a few years now, and I am very happy with it. Yes, it is very noisy and it does feel a bit more plasticky than some other grinders BUT it is plenty strong and has yet to show a sign of weakening. For those who want to buy the Baratza Sette, something worth mentioning: you can buy the Sette 30 - which lacks micro adjustment vs the 270 - and then upgrade the burr for about 70€ and save 30€ in the process. The sette 30 has only one time setting (vs 3 for the Sette 270) but I don't think that is a great feature anyhow, the front of the machine is neater and les cumbersome with less buttons anyhow.

@monicas3690 5 месяцев назад

Is is quieter?

@monicas3690 5 месяцев назад

That is, is the Sette 30 more quiet than the 270?

@benjamindevaux4336 5 месяцев назад

@@monicas3690 No, it is the same body & motor, so just as loud :)

@monster410 5 месяцев назад

Hi James, thank you so much for you work, I think this video was eagerly awaited by the community ! I actually have the Timemore 064S and would add 2 additionnal drawbacks : 1) I read several feedbacks from other users who highly recommend seasoning the burrs with several kg of coffee (around 7kg) to be able to use it to its full potential. I don't know how relevant this is but this is something to keep in mind 2) this machine is a real pain to open and dismantle to clean the burrs... It takes me 10min to do it everytime because you have to unscrew several tiny allen screws... I don't want to clean it anymore. I tried to align the burrs before using it as well but the process was too annoying so I gave up But still, this is a very capable machine and I am happy with the workflow and the taste result. It is small so it will be a great companion to a Delonghi Dedica EC machine. You can do very good expresso coffee with this setup for less than 700€ (coffee machine + electrical grinder). Overall a good choice ! I hesitated between the Timemore Sculptor and DF64 but this one is too noisy to my opinion and I am not a fan of bellows either.

@garyradley5694 5 месяцев назад

Using one of your previous reviews I bought a Baratza Sette 270. My expresso is now of a much elevated quality. I now get a great crema funnel on extraction every time using my trusty ancient Rancilio Silvia using the 20 seconds after the heating light goes off method. Very happy with my choice. I make expresso at lunchtime ( retired ) so the noise is not an issue for me. When ginding direct into the portafilter it does tend to throw the grind out at speed and make a little mess, but fixed that problem with the addition of an aluminium dosing ring funnel.

@christopherchoi6120 5 месяцев назад

Would be very interested in hearing your thoughts about the Fellow Opus. At $195 (and often on sale), it promises great value, looks great, and could be a bridge between entry and mid-level for many people. As always, thanks for the great videos!

@ever55 5 месяцев назад

I live in south africa and with import tax and shipping the Niche Zero becomes more like a 700+ (little guestimating, since I haven't checked shipping recently) pound grinder. I have gotten a Eureka Mignon Manuale as a stopgap since I needed a grinder for home espresso and it was the most affordable option at the time, I have also fitted bellows since it isn't really designed for single dosing, but that's mostly how I use it on a day to day basis. I really like the grinder, however without the bellows it has really bad retention, upwards of 1.5g, it compares nicely to the cafe I work at's Mahlkonig E65s grinder, at a fraction of the price. This video has kinda convinced me that the Niche is no longer the be all end all home grinder (for espresso), especially not with taxes and shipping.

@Ind1420 5 месяцев назад

Great end of year video. Have been waiting for something like this.

@thomprd 5 месяцев назад

Yay! You picked my grinder. I immediately put SSP burrs in mine upon arrival and I'm pretty happy with it so far.

@edgarpoureshagh6023 5 месяцев назад

I just received my timemore, but I got the 64 as opposed to the 64s. It's been a really great addition for our setup at home and a huge improvement in our daily coffee experience. I've noticed that as the burrs are getting more and more seasoned I'm getting less static, and so I'm using less RDT... and therefore the hopper issue is getting to be less and less of an issue. I do agree that the hopper geometry is a real flaw, but everything else has been great.

@SimonFuto 5 месяцев назад

I know it's not meant for espresso, but have you tried any shots with it? Waiting on mine for v60, but curious to see if it could pull the occasional espresso.

@danielzenner 5 месяцев назад

I've been happy with the Niche Zero for espresso. When I initially got it I used it for filter too, though I eventually purchased an Ode as my primary filter coffee grinder and very recently purchased my "end game" grinder, the Lagom P64, for filter and espresso. I'm going to keep the Niche however, I enjoy the sweet, textured and heavy bodied shots it produces especially when grinding dark roasts.

@Justme28795 5 месяцев назад

What made you replace the Niche zero for filter coffee? I'm looking for a grinder which preferably could do both for around 500bucks

@danielzenner 5 месяцев назад

@@Justme28795 The filter coffee with the Niche had a lot of body, but lacked clarity and sweetness. I opted for the ode with SSP MP burrs since that produces some of the cleanest tasting cups of coffee. I think if you are into medium and dark roasts the niche is fine for filter but if you are seeking a filter grinder for light roasts, I would look elsewhere.

@officialMainspring 5 месяцев назад

I own the Lagom Mini. had it for awhile now. really love it. It is now my electric pourover grinder of choice. Just took delivery of the Timemore 78S. I haven't fully seasoned the burrs yet but the cup quality I get is good, enjoyable. I'm hoping SSP makes burrs for it so I can play around with the flavor profile a little more. Overall, very good grinder. Solid, very well built, heavy. I really enjoy the fines knocker. I like the sound and feel. Plus it has a dual purpose for me. If I'm grinding for pourover, I won't use the fines knocker. I'll add about 0.5g more(since that's about what it collects) and have coffee grinds with very minimal fines. great for pourover. If I'm doing espresso of course I'd use it as I think fines are a plus for cup quality.

@chenyk 5 месяцев назад

After spending a month researching, I found it difficult to pick the right option until now. Great info!

@chton 5 месяцев назад

I've been running a Sette 270 (Wi version, with the scale) and it's been absolutely great. I do grind directly into the portafilter, though, and i've never noticed any clumping. Definitely a very noisy one, though, but made up for that by grinding so quick. I'd rather have 7 seconds of loud than 30 of medium sound :D

@AppleGameification 5 месяцев назад

I really hate the sound of the Sette 270 in my kitchen 😢😢 would rather wait in peace for a quiet grinder. I'm rarely in a rush to make coffee. And when I am, for example, when serving guests, the noise really gets in the way all the same.

@loonator1995 5 месяцев назад

I do agree with most things. The big big advantages for the Sette are no clumping and almost no retention. But the looks and the sound are honestly just really really bad. Pricing was the biggest factor when I bought it three years back. Would buy the Niche now and probably will at some time if there is no new competitor.

@jgauth2 5 месяцев назад

Love my sette 270 wi

@chton 5 месяцев назад

@@AppleGameification Very fair! I'm not in a rush either, but the convenience of going from an empty cup to a full cup in a minute flat makes up for it, for me.

@stuartboros7693 5 месяцев назад

Not only is there no clumping, I’ve found that even going directly into the portafilter, no wdt is needed with my 270wi.

@Creativitybias 5 месяцев назад

The Df64V in my view is a more direct competitor for the Niche, considering it's price point. Sill a bit cheaper at around 600€ it's a great grinder, though obviously as in most iterations of the DF series, the quirks are definitly there. The motor tends to stall easily on low rpm and the rpm display is always on (which is quite fixable though). However the magnetic chute and the overall build quality are just pretty phenomenal. Definitly deserves a closer look.

@BensCoffeeRants 5 месяцев назад

DF64V is more a match vs The Timemore 064s Specs wise.

@charleshennings8144 5 месяцев назад

Have you got a fix for turning of the RPM display bar switching off at the wall?

@Creativitybias 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I simply plugged a single port power adapter with a switch between the wall and the DF64V so I can turn it off completely after use. @@charleshennings8144

@rexengelking681 5 месяцев назад

I have a 10yr Eureka, and you are spot on with your grievance about the grind setting dial. I love the flat burr, and the step less feature, but find it frustrating that the general difference in setting between pour over and espresso is more than two full turns of the dial and therefore, is mainly a single purpose (espresso) grinder for me. It also has a timed doser, which is better with a hopper full of beans versus single dose. My go-to V60 Grindr is the Kinu hand grinder

@MS-qt1co 4 месяца назад

I've been using the Mignon for almost two years now, and I absolutely adore the quality of the coffee it produces. I chose it specifically for espresso, knowing it excels in that area. However, for our V60 brewing, my husband and I prefer a manual grinder, which adds to our enjoyment of the process. The grinder's quality is truly remarkable, and it complements our coffee corner perfectly. Seeing it featured in the video brought me even more joy.

@mikeghanley 5 месяцев назад

The best upgrade for any DF64 owners (I have the original) is to 3D print a holder for the grind cup that angles the cup and move it closer to the nozzle. I only get static and mess when grinding coarse, for daily espresso it works flawlessly and cost very little!

@tobymarol7329 5 месяцев назад

I've changed the declumper to a thinner foil type one and now it doesn't need the bellows and is much less messy. , that would be my no1 recommendation