My favourite part about Floorp is they're actively working one of my favourite features from Edge (Native Vertical Tabs) into a fork of Firefox, it's not perfect and in the meantime they're just recommending addons like TST but once it's ready it'll be the ultimate browser personally. Edit: PWAs too!
Yeah, treestyle tabs are a necessity for me. there is nothing even close when managing huge amount of tabs. So far, the only good implementation I've seen is in Yandex browser which I'm not a huge fan of.
Firefox has been my primary browser for over a decade. The only thing Firefox is missing, and I don't know what the hold up is, is it doesn't have HDR support on Windows (but it does on Mac and Linux). I have to use chrome for RU-vid because Firefox doesn't have it. There are no signs of HDR support anytime soon either, I don't get it.
@@GoolagThemTube Correct, you should absolutely not use Chrome. Brave is OK, I'm sure there are other Chrome spins that are fine. The problem is the pro-censorship corporations. Thankfully, their software is open source.
I believe the Firefox ESR denotes the "Extended Support Release" that continues working for "legacy" OS systems (like my Mac OSeX 10.13 installs) after full support and development has been forced to. move on to newer OS releases.
ESR is also used by companies like LTS Linux Distros. Basically they will not push feature/compatibility breaking changes via update except between major releases. It's used in companies that don't want to have to re-test all their crappy internal/external WebApps with each update before approving it for full roll out.
I've been using ESR for about 15 years. It works fine for home use if you want a stable browser without constant feature updates and experiments, like any sane person. Can also recommend W10E 21H2 LTSC.
Firefox ESR is something luxurious for the end user, and they gave it away for free. Much more stable and less massive feature update. As far as I know, even chromium based browsers don't have it. Think like Windows LTSC, but you can use it on retail/oem lisence.
I've been using Floorp for a few months already and I'm happy with the actual performance and customization possibilities. Aside from the usual drawbacks that Firefox also has (e.g. some websites that are optimized for Chromium only), it's better than Firefox for me. Hell, even RAM consumption seems to be lower (but don't expect humongous differences) than on Firefox - though now I don't care that much about this since I built another PC with much more and faster RAM, but it is important for people that use low-end machines, for instance. For Chromium-related stuff, I just keep ungoogled-chromium with some extensions installed, in case I need it. It's simple and efficient.
I'm using it now, and it's great. Once small thing: when at the usual pie rat sites and I'm viewing orn previews prior to downloading, it will not give me the picture of the screenshots of the orn. I guess because when you are redirected to see the screenshots, you are tracked, and Floorp has anti-tracking built in. A minor nit since most of the time I'm not downloading orn so it's not a deal breaker for me.
@@nicolaskeith8945 Partially. Works on some websites, on others it just stays the same, and if you use it on Google Meet (for instance) it won't work at all unless you change the user agent back to FF.
I mean it is still feasible with those who have a lot of ram since CPU usage can increment over time or RAM Usage can increment over time. Depends on how many tabs you have opened possibly.
Sounds like good news. Mullvard, Mercury, LibreWolf, Tor .. those are already nice alternatives but since it's better to have more choices I'll try this Floorp out to see how it measures. Good to see the Chromium dev cleaning up its fork, this project didn't needed to spawn such unnecessary trouble.
Always have two browsers based on two DIFFERENT tech bases. So, Firefox and Chromium (or your favorite forks of them). This way is one gets borked, the other should still work. I've seen blown Firefox and Chromium updates break browsers, as well as other tech issues break one but not the other. There is also the issue that more and more websites are reverting to the 1990s thing of "Best viewed with X browser". So much for "browser standards". But I've used a site that seems to hate Firefox, and they recommend Chrome. WHY??
@@jeijei3255 I haven't compared that measure. Some come only in flatpaks and this factor bloat their installed space despite being stripped down of useless FF features. For that reason I do prefer when my linux distro have the softwares in binary to avoid flatpak installs if needed. (Arch AUR is good for that). Lightweight is also dependent on how the browser cache and temporary files is set as it can explode the disk space depending how the program is configured. Librewolf example has its cache in auto-delete by default and therefore avoid this bloat trap but it create some inconvenience of using the more bandwidth and cancels sites log in after restarts. It is advisable to be familiar with the settings of all browsers to tune them at your preferences.
@@markh.6687 I've bumped into sites that supposedly only work on Chromium and refuse to load on my FF browser at all. I'd use an agent spoofer to disguise my FF as Chromium, and suddenly the sites would load and work like a charm. Yeah, WHY is a good question. 🤔 Floorp having this built in is nice, tho I've yet to thoroughly test the browser.
Floorp is nice. If they only added similar functionality to vertical tabs as Arc has. Namely the possibility to add 'folders' for tabs. Yes, I know I could add an extension for it, but it'd be nice to have it baked in.
Floorp Is very customizable, with a little elbow grease and an extension called Sideberry I got very nice vertical tabs with Space switching and Folders and stuff
Since it became chromium based it has a been a good enough choice for the lay man to use, but in typical Microsoft fashion they include so much bloat and popups it's basically just annoying to use, aswell as trying their hardest to make it your default browser
I'm not gonna lie, I wouldn't trust browsers not made by a gigantic company with heaps of cash and developers behind. Web browsers are a central point of our life nowadays, and not having a gigantic security team behind is simply a deal breaker. This kind of smallish browsers, the second they fall a bit behind pulling the latest update, they are leaving you unprotected. And because they don't have a large team behind the bus factor is smaller, one or two people get sick, someone retires, etc. and suddenly they missed an update. I just use Firefox and live with its flaws.
An even important question: how does it make money? I literally wouldn't even look at such a product without at least there being a blog post explaining how they plan to make money and survive. It's such a no brainer.
@@jeffhines2895 security > privacy companies do unethical , immoral and even borderline legal stuff but criminals actually do like yk real criminal stuff
@@Woodsie_Lordyes, with Firefox-UI-Fix which is the same thing Floorp uses. But on vanilla firefox, it requires modifying css iirc, which is annoying, especially since you'd have to keep the thing up-to-date manually
I am already back on Thorium. Alex updated it and removed the YIFY and offending content. However, I'm not going to make a video on it, because the comments would be an absolute shit storm.
This browser is great, and some of its hidden features are very neat too, for example about to run addon inside Sidebar, and customizable hotkeys, something most web browsers don't have.
Downside is it does a lot of reaching out to a lot of different domains. Just watch the traffic with any packet capture tool. Would be worth detailing the need for each of these to comfort the community.
@@blobisback Might be why he has already switch away from this one. I don't feel like reinstalling my OS again after installing this and watching all domains it reached out to not related to Mozilla and some in .jp domain space I was just uncomfortable. That is why I feel like it would be nice for Chris to look into it for us as an experiment on the channel. Not misinformation but I am concerned and have no valid evidence to prove that anything malicious is going on and what exactly is being sent to many of these domains that the same Firefox install does not reach out to. I was not comfortable so that is why I moved on.
Floorp and LibreWolf respectively, LW prioritises privacy at the cost of usability. And Floorp is tweaked for better performance and caters more to power-users.
I'm not moving away from Firefox simply because I don't want to lower its market share. If Firefox had a huge market share, I'd definitely use an alternative browser. I know I'm one use and I probably won't make a difference, but we do need more people using Firefox for the sake of browser diversity.
Thanks for introducing me to this browser, I had never heard of it. I decided to switch from Chromium based browsers to Firefox based ones and ended up missing one feature that stuff like Edge, Opera and Vivaldi have and it might sound dumb, but the sidebar, and is something I gave up for Waterfox, but now I don't have to as sometimes you have things you regularly check/look at/use and don't want to navigate to the website sometimes and the sidebar is convenient for setting up pages/web apps like that. Plus it has a couple of features I was using plugins for (like the spoofing) and seems pretty solid performance wise.
Thanks Chris! Have been a FF user for a very long time. Lately, I've been bouncing back and forth between Brave and FF, due to the issues with YT (issues being ads).
I have a dream browser. Website being displayed on the main window, with no top bars, that can stretch from the bottom to the top of the monitor. Everything else, address bar, extensions, tabs on a side panel or two on either or both sides. We're not using 4:3 monitors anymore and websites aren't designed to be shown in wide pages anyway. We have abundance of horizontal space and limited vertical space but we're utilizing them in the wrong way. That's actually a dream design for me for all apps displayed on wide screens.
Arc Browser on mac already did that. but arc are closed source, only on mac(windows on beta) and written in swift(which mean not possible for crossplatform outside apple devices), and there is no sign of porting swift app to linux
WOW! Im impressed how snappy Floorp is! The design of UI is astonishing its like I have installed Linux 😂. This is my favourite now! I tried WaterFox before but went back to Firefox. It has Multi-Row Tab Bar! This is the most important thing that was lost in Firefox update & stopped working the Tab Mix Plus exactly for multi-row tabs! I always like to leave many tabs open but always was a pain to scroll between them but now I see them all! Im astonished how great this Firefox based browser is! So happy Im signed up to this channel although I thought I would never learn nothing new here but boy I was wrong! Always enjoy all your videos even if the subject is well known too me. Great find Chris!
What I was searching for. Doesn't appear to answer comments. Researching for new browser due to chromium/ublock. Chris did a thorium vid a month b4 this one, so 2 diff browsers within weeks. No new browser vids since, so "guess" his still using Floorp.
I'm so dependent on chromium dev tools that I can't even consider switching to FF, although I love it. I use it the same way I was using IE back in the day, I fire up FF when my main browser doesn't work for any reason.
After video about Thorium i tested this browser and use it everyday.Thorium great for me,for second browser sometimes I use firefox.For development and adaptive design i check my projects in Thorium,Firefox,Opera and it's good for me and users whom using projects of company.I will look what's about this browser and if he have something new and interesting,maybe I will use it.
I've long been in camp firefox. But recently been making the switch to librefox and enjoying it. I know I could get a slightly more hardened firefox by doing it custom (and I have in the past) but having librefox take care of 90% of it is sooo nice. Plus I can use Tree Style Tabs and a custom user.css to hide my regular tabs and get this same look as Floorp. Not sure I see much advantage to floorp over librefox but I might give it a try anyway. Little reluctant since I know so little about the company behind it too though.
the company behind Floorp is called Ablaze. And one killer feature for me is the sidebar on the right. You can add shortcuts for quite literally anything, like any about: page, normal websites, extension windows... I for example have Bitwarden, ChatGPT and about:config in there. Also, 90% of the customisation that would require manually downloading, copying, modifying and maintaining css can be done right from the settings since most of what you'd use is already integrated with the browser.
If anyone is interested. I compared Firefox and Floorp on Arch Linux both using the exact same tweaks and extensions and both were exactly the same speedwise. Thorium and Chromium were indeed faster than both of these though but that could also have to do with both of those having less extensions installed. I also did a Thorium vs Chromium test and Thorium was 0.28 secs faster than Chromium. Not really enough to bother switching but if I was ever gonna use an Ubuntu distro again I'd probably slap both of these on it so I wouldn't have to bother with snaps or finding deb files.
@@konstantink07 I do but thats still additional pointless steps that I don't need to bother with if I just used a different distro. Especially if it's to replace something that usually ships standard with the OS.
I've been in the Firefox camp since around the late-2000s. Since August 2023, I've been using a fork of Firefox called LibreWolf as my main web browser, and I've been satisfied with it so far. LibreWolf emphasizes privacy and security by blocking/disabling certain features and settings by default and doesn't include telemetry. Floorp doesn't have any features that I find compelling enough to make me want to switch browsers. In addition, Floorp is built from Firefox ESR (Extended Support Release), which in turn is based on an older version of the Firefox source code. Since the ESR version is available longer, it has the potential to give hackers more time to develop exploits for it. That's no bueno for me. LibreWolf, on the other hand, is always built from the latest Firefox source code, so it always has the most recent security updates, features and stability. I think I'll stick with LibreWolf for now.
Thank you for bring this browser ro our attention. I personally would love to see more Brave-like Firefox forks in the future, especially with how things are going with Chromium/Chrome.
One thing I like about Firefox is the "take a screenshot" feature. Installed Floorp on Debian 12 using Flatpak, just to take a look, and the first thing I noticed was it doesn't have the "take a screenshot" feature. So I'll just stick to Firefox I think, but thanks anyway.
The problem with Floorp is that it doesn't prompt you to restart the browser when you change something in the settings. That's good, but sometimes it breaks the browser, and you need to close and restart manually.
there is an option to automatically restart though. And if it's disabled, restarting literally takes two clicks unlike vanilla firefox which only has quit/exit
Thanks Chris - I follow you for the past 6 months, and get good advise and useful tips. This one, I'm happy to check out, since I'm checking also mullvad vs. my librewolf (so far my favorite). Off the bat,, it floorp seems to have some things I was looking for - like embedded side tabs and the elimination of the top bar. Not sure yet of ublock and noscript are embedded or not (I usually like to be able to control them myself), but I will check out if it has also the multi-container and anti-fingerprinting and so forth which I habitually install as addons, amongst others). Trying to eliminate as many of them as possible these days, but still get the functionality.
@@grebap It's primary focus is privacy, with most of the settings available being security measures and other snazzy nerd settings. Edit: forgot to mention it also comes preinstalled with uBlock Origin and (I think?) has some filter lists, but I replaced mine with a larger filter from github.
@@grebap It's a fork of firefox with telemetry disabled and preconfigured to better resist fingerprinting. Also comes with ublock origin pre-installed.
@@grebap Minor hardening, all Mozilla tracking/bloat/ads removed, quick security updates (usually within 12-48 hrs, I believe occasionally pulling in code from Firefox nightly before it hits Firefox), and good defaults.
im sorry for that thorium guy. he really seems to have the best intentions and fighting AGAINST child mu tulation stands pretty high in my book. besides thorium is fast af. worked extremly well on my very old laptop on linux mint. BUT being firefox user i will look into this flooorp (i like to say that word...FLOOORP...)
chromium is better tho just does not have google sync if one cares about device sync like thorium has OOTB. i use floorp as i had been using firefox and honestly feels faster.
@VaDR3d I won't pretend I know what the abbreviation stands for, yet there's nothing wrong inside his browser besides the one furry picture. Good luck dreaming that the one picture equals malware.
@VaDR3d he didn't, some idiots just made that up. the only thing in the browser was the furry picture, which was funny, and the more people pretend it was the end of the world and their lives are ruined because of it, the more i like using thorium.
@VaDR3d because it was made up. anyone can just say things, you have that material on your desktop right now. I just said it therefor it's true. why do you have it there?
Done, installed. Use Firefox as main browser as I never seem to run out of new tabs to open. Chrome and the like seem to have a limit and new tabs then disappear until I close some. I might try Thorium again, but first impression was disappointing as I could not find an installer for it.
The fact that it's based off of ESR version is kinda a dealbreaker for me. Firefox's Quantum engine is already behind Chromium to the point it could easily affect every user (I'm still a Firefox fan and it's my no. 1 browser). But my point is, unless you're on an older/LTS distro or have to use older version due to legacy applications, using ESR will only bring drawbacks and there's no point in using it (ESR is basically an older version that only gets security updates and maybe bugfixes as the non-ESR).
Give it a try. Its even faster than the newest Firefox version. The internal settings of firefox have been tweaked to the core. Personally, its the snappiest browser I've used.
@@raygunsforronnie847 Maybe I didn't explain it clearly. It's basically an "LTS" version of a browser. Feature updates are held until the next "major" release while the security updates are still pushed regularly.
After seeing your poll, i came to know such a browser existed. Now I've switched to it. Its blazing fast. Also I found an extension to replace the "Tabs Outliner" extension which i used with edge earlier. I'm not going back. Until I encounter a roadblock.
I was using Firefox previously, now switched to Floorp (also after seeing the poll!), and in real-life, everyday usage I see no difference in speed or reliability. It's as fast and reliable, as FF was. Out of curiosity I did some benchmarks (Speedometer 2.0 and 2.1) and Floorp was actually slower about 10-20% ! But like O said before, I can't see any difference in real-life usage
@@Klusio19 ah it might be placebo or new browser bias then. Somehow it seems very springy and responsive 😬. Maybe edge was very slow. I love that we can place the sidebar where ever and get rid of title bar and all these customizations..maximum utilization of space!
@@engineering_guy It can just be that your accumulated user gunk is slowing down the browser. Make a different profile and see if the problem persists.
I gave floorp a go as it seemed interesting but not really sure what the issue is but it's incredibly sluggish, most noticeable with scrolling and even video playback.
I have never used firefox much but i was shocked at the amount of customization options available. like moving the address bar , tab bar everything down to mimic the safari ios experience and so much more. I use Arc browser mainly but this looks like a great browser.
Been going back and forth between Mercury Browser, Floorp and Thorium Browser. I can't really decide what FF browser I like the most, Mercury and Floorp both are so good.
I was using Floorp for a bit, but uploading videos onto RU-vid takes longer somehow on Firefox browsers. Idk if it's just google doing their thing or just an issue I'm causing. I'd like to continue to use Floorp though. I'll probably switch back to it.
I just installed it on pop os and i like the notes that sync between browsers using the encrypted firefox sync.. i'll probably use that. I'm interested in giving web apps a spin in it. I have used waterfox too.
You never get this right. Remember when you were hawking Thorium? I do. Librewolf already does some of the best blocking and other useful things out there. And it is not brand new. Theme stuff is boring and pretty common to many. Some spoofing is built in to Librewolf. Maybe this one is better on this. I don't see anything compelling about this one over librewolf.
I might look into Floorp but Thorium is still the more interesting project for me and i'm very happy it got updated just a few days ago. Also i had the feeling early on that most of the "Allegations" around the developer could be explained or they weren't that big of a deal for me.
@@GeoSpectatorauthor has put a suggestive drawing into a hidden page as an easter egg, and people went unreasonably angry and harassed the guy for drama, to put things shortly
@@S.F.D.R Something from a year or so ago should still have you covered. Every other thing not covered by those you'll have to figure out as you go along.
@@pastoryoda2789 If you wanna trust some random fork to be maintained as frequently as the real thing, be my guest. Or you can just do the work yourself and call it a day.
The only problems I have with it is that when minimizing it makes the user choose the tab instead of open the window using the current tab(previous) and the right click paste does not work on the default notes. It requires the keyboard shortcut which I think is control V.
Oh this is odd I was just looking at this browser in the discover 5.27.10 package manger and I was wondering about it and then your video comes up as a recommended video. That is so strange. I clicked on the install in the package manager so will give it a test my self. Great video. Oh and I have use Thorium. I use it at work but boy it locks up a lot. Then again most chrome based browsers lock up on that computer at work.
Vanilla Firefox still lacks in the privacy and security department. If you want a web browser that emphasizes privacy and security, but still want a Firefox-like experience, I recommend LibreWolf. It's a fork of Firefox that doesn't include telemetry, blocks/disables certain features and settings by default for your privacy and security, and conveniently comes with uBlock Origin pre-installed.
I have to switch from Firefox to Brave for banking on my Cinnamon mint laptop because it starts asking me to do other stuff while trying to do my banking! I will give this one a try...good job Chris
One think to point! If in settings in User Agent you choose something else from firefox (chrome for example) you will not be able to login in firefox account for sync.
Every time you recommend something, it becomes my daily apps! I love this browser a lot. Been using this since you've talked about this browser in your previous video.
One thing that i love with Chrome and that i miss in Firefox is that every tab uses its own process. That means if one tab is very busy for some reason then only that tab is busy, the rest of the browser works just normal while if that happens with Firefox the whole browser is blocked. Sure, Chrome uses much more Ram because of that feature, but if i have to choose between a browser that uses less Ram, but can get stuck sometimes and a browser that uses way more Ram, but never gets stuck then i would choose the browser that never gets stuck. A Firefox with that feature would be my dreambrowser.
