The best helical magazine ever? With firearms and weaponry expert, Jonathan Ferguson 

Exactly what I was thinking. It would make more sense to have a shoulder stock and even a longer barrel.

If it was designed for a civilian market, I could see some reasoning for it. I am by no means a firearms designer or engineer, but I think if I was going to design a firearm with a "gimmick" like this in current-day USA, I would've made a pistol version that could easily converted to a rifle by including a slot someone could engineer a stock for; all someone should need past that is the tax stamp. if it marketed well enough, I could sell models classified as long arms already with 16" barrels and with/without stocks or braces. This design in the vid isn't far off in scope from Kel-Tec's 50-round P50 pistol.

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At over 6lbs fully loaded, you could have an SBR for the same weight

"Jóvanazúgy" mentality? ("Eh whatever, it's fine that way!") lol

This channel would benefit from a lesson or two on how to film firearms from Ian of Forgotten Weapons

Yes!!!! For people who may be viewing this on their phones. It’s really hard to see this unique content you’re sharing here. Please crank up the lights or get a light colored table cloth

Thank god, thought my eyesight was going.

Check your device screen or your eyesight lol

Great content ... please improve lighting and macro lens lighting so we can see in greater detail. Mainly listening rather than viewing. Thanks

Or like breathing out after the t but mostly silent

It was the inspiration for the Helghast sidearm in Killzone if that counts. That's what made me aware of this pistol when I was a kid.

​@@Slivyrif only it were as elegant as an STA-18 pistol.

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Aside from the drum mag it's a fairly standard design for a machine pistol. Maybe rely less on your imagination.

You have to remember that this is a prototype. It was blocky because they were keeping things simple until everything was dialed in, especially the helical mag. No point in spending a ton of money having beautiful tooling made for the prototype, then having to discard all of it after refining the design. Kinda sad it didn't make it, it could've been a really sleek SMG in the same class as the MP5k for example, perfect for protection details, tank crews and the likes. Once refined, it would've been very manouverable, without a stick mag to get caught on stuff.

@@DrakeKillah It's no more blocky than a MAC or an Uzi, and there's no junk hanging off the side to get caught on stuff. You could probably make a few lightening cuts but if it's a machine pistol designed to be carried by brick shithouses, why bother. Weight is good.

​@@chaimafaghet7343 That's the thing though... This would not really be carried by brick shithouses... Brick shithouses in the military being special forces, which might use a gun like this if it was up to snuff. For the rest of the military, they're a mix of different people, especially the sort of people that carry a compact SMG/PDW; tank crews, heli crews, rear echelon staff. Most of them are just regular guys, with a smattering of bigger dudes. And regardless of them being brick shithouses, they are usually carrying a shitload of other gear, need to be HIGHLY mobile, and their guns are usually kitted out with scopes, lights, slings, grips etc. and they always opt for guns that are as light as reasonably possible to begin with. MP5, M4, shortened versions of SAWs or the M60, MP7, have all been carried by brick shithouses for the past decades, for their lightness among other factors. There's no shortage of accounts of soldiers modifying their weapons to shave weight off them, lobbying to get lighter weapons as part of standard armament, or buying a lighter personal weapon, in organizations that allow for it. Any brick shithouse operator would attest to this. Just look at how they tailor their loadouts; carefully selecting their gear to be able to carry a variety of tools, made as light as possible while still being sturdy enough to go to hell and back. A heavier gun, means they will have to ditch some ammo, a piece of gear, comfort item etc. in order to keep their mobility. Weight is only good, if it gives you something in return. It would be a detriment to the likelihood of it being adopted, and longevity in service, if it was left as is. The MAC is a great example, but this thing would be sleeker, as the mag doesn't extend down as far, allowing for better positioning while prone, up against cover etc. And compared to the MAC, this doesn't need to be as blocky. It could've easily been slimmed down with a smaller bolt, and less mass over the barrel portion, as the bolt doesn't seem to telescope all the way forward. Which again would make it easier to deal with in tight quarters. If you've ever done CQB, especially indoors, you'd see how much every bit matters.

@@DrakeKillah The only people likely to make use of something like this would be close protection; bodyguards. It's completely unsuitable for issue to army retards.

Doesn't it just?

I thought this too! At first, until I got a better look, I thought the upper part was a huge slide, and the Jackal sprang immediately to mind.

Could see it being dual wielded by some big, beefy antagonist in a Star Wars story.

That's a real hand cannon size gun if I ever saw one

Pistol made for Ogryns

It reminds me of the Helghast pistol from the first Killzone, personally.

​@@jedimike7622I noticed it too.

The early Vindicare Assassin pistol looked very similar as I recall. I remember reading a press release from Warhammer way back that it was changed in a subsequent model update because the main criticism from consumers was that it literally looked like a brick.

If the capacity is standard for the model it is not a high capacity magazine, its a standard capacity magazine.

@@TheHaughtyOsprey It's capacity is high for a general handgun. So it is a high capacity magazine.

That’s quite a shame. I’d love to see what this could lead into

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Not the sort of racket where Kennedyfilm and Bysmally do what they ought to

@@TheSundayShooter Indeed, I would hope that he would only work with Filoni and Company.

Star Wars deliberately chose weapons from the first half of the 20th century to convert to props so as to provide the rustic space western feel we know the franchise for. This is much more Robocop or Judge Dredd's speed

@@CrizzyEyes I don’t doubt that that’s true, but they’ve definitely fallen off of the wagon since the Disney acquisition; I mean, the “AK gaffe” in Andor was just weak and lazy. Something like the firearm in the video would be impressive even for Star Wars now.

@@andydaniels3029 I just assumed that the Disney movies weren't even in the equation. I've already forgotten most of what happens in them

It's like a borderlands gun. When you run out of ammo, you just chuck it like a brick at the enemy and then pull out your next gun brick, lol

@@MrAdamArce it is literally an IRL Tediore, you're right!

Power armour time lol

Yep, just like the common 10/22 mag or the classic Savage 99 or Mannlicher-Schönauer rotaries.

The grooved cylinder is both the rotary power source (like a savage 99, ruger 10/22, or mannlicher shoenauer), and the linear magazine racks. The helical rails inside the cylindrical body provide the linear motion along the axis of the mag.

I think it would be perfect for cyberpunk

It kinda does! Just square, instead of rounded. Both look kind of goofy, but I like both lol.

Absolutely

Probably smells like cosmoline, gun oil and solvent.

Manhood.

Wonderful

you just invented a pp-19 in a larger calibre, which as a proven weapon, would be much easier to convert

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