The best Mono black commander Varragoth cEDH Deck tech

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Who wrote potentially up there? Was it K'rrik again! Or that yawgmoth! Ignore that! This is pumped up. Any deck with 45 lands, I will approve! This is mono black lands. I am not kidding.
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@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

Who wrote potentially up there? Was it K'rrik again! Or that yawgmoth! Ignore that! This is pumped up. Any deck with 45 lands, I will approve! This is mono black lands. I am not kidding.

@polarbear1088 5 месяцев назад

I love the idea of this deck! I've been gathering the cards i need ever since i saw the decklist. I literally finished putting it together last night. I can't wait to win or die lol 😂

@thebeardedbard7814 5 месяцев назад

Hmm. This will be interesting to see how it does in tournaments in the near future. My all-time favorite, K'rrik, is absolutely devastating with potential T1-2 wins; however, it is still quite the glass cannon. I might be interested in adopting this if it shows potential.

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

I personally think this has glass cannon problmes to. Like 45 lands! But I guess it can fall back on opposition agent control. But I personaly think the winrate will drop over time.

@WarmasterSidious 5 месяцев назад

I enjoy your deck techs. They actually work unlike the majority of these mtg channels that have a concept but fizzle the second a counter spell happens

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

Well this will fizzle the second a counterspel hits ad naus. Or well you can find bosewho who shelters all and you can find opposition agent. But still. This can be kinda all in.

@WarmasterSidious 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv very much the case with turbo naus strats. You got me on dihada and have been in love with her ever since that video!!!

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

@@WarmasterSidious I have to say I think Dihada might be stronger then this commander. She dosen't feel all in and can play different.

@goodcreeper653mincraft2 5 месяцев назад

I can’t believe one of Mitches decks from the commander quarters is being tuned but by people for cedh! 😂 this is awesome ❤

@xSkye629x 5 месяцев назад

I mean this jank deck/combo has been around for a long time before CQ covered it. Ppl used to (and still use) versions of it with Maralen or Sidisi (mono) at the helm

@barrysetser3909 5 месяцев назад

Nice analysis there - Varrgoth the Toolbox

@jasons9895 5 месяцев назад

Very cool deck man Totally want to see it being played

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

hi Jason! You should join our gameplays and play it :P

@jasons9895 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv totally would love to play with you again Mons but with graduation quite literally coming right around the corner (this may) and preparing for my schools broadcast of the 2024 New Hampshire primaries I have been way to busy at school to even play magic in the last 2 months

@tomkaltofen7063 5 месяцев назад

Braids is as fast as varragoth, but with a game plan if the turn 3 win fails, which makes mulligan for interaction bad, but can compete with fast decks.

@raedien 5 месяцев назад

Yeah. I was tuning Sidisi roughly a year and a half ago, eventually moved to Braids got to the same list. I didn't play during Kaldheim so I had no clue about Varragoth as an options. Braids is much less telegraphed.

@anywhereroam9698 5 месяцев назад

He just needs to attack. You can declare attackers and activate before moving to blockers. So even if they block and kill him you can have already got the tutor off.

@anywhereroam9698 5 месяцев назад

You can wait for blockers to be announced so you can see if he’ll live or die, before activating. If you have attacked and they go to remove him you can tutor in response.

@skellyxj1 5 месяцев назад

Good thing we've already got new lines figured out for pulling out surprise wins.

@Iguessimhere154 5 месяцев назад

In casual settings where I play, Varragoth makes the game much more interesting, for better or for worse ngl lol He becomes an amazing politics card with the group and always has a pressence on the board even if you don't use his tutor ability. While I do agree Varragoth is very telegraphed, especially in a cedh setting, I think just having that threat to vamp tutor anything is enough to warrent players to potentially waste 1 interaction against him.

@_z3i 5 месяцев назад

I haven't had the chance to play against this deck but it definitely feels like it will do way better against people who don't know what they are playing against. I would assume that a lot of the time losing to it ends up feeling like when you accidentally guess wrong what deck the opponent is bringing in Legacy and you get killed by storm turn 1 because you keep a hand without FoW x) Total mana value under 40 is so nuts x)

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

I will agree to this.

@xSkye629x 5 месяцев назад

It does, even in casual. I've been playing the version with mono Sidisi at the helm (the jank version with like 70+ lands) since she came out like a decade ago. Fun jank deck, but folds to interaction once the table knows what's coming/when to interact with it

@kentharris1820 5 месяцев назад

This is the closest someone has gotten on understanding the deck even though your still a bit wrong on the sickening dreams combo. You use March bc you always want to ad nuas your deck. ATM Aetherflux is the main win with Battlethopter bc once Aaetherflux is resolved you can flash in all the zero drops.

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

Not all decks has Aetherflux and or the Battlethopter. It was more of an overview of the varragoth decks on EDH TOP 16.

@kentharris1820 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv If you look the reason why those decks dont have them are they are old deck lists tournament results. Kyle and Steve are my friends and we all go take down tournaments with this deck.

@LightBulbPlayz 5 месяцев назад

I wonder if Zur would be a better choice for strategy. Yes you lose the tutor for adnaus in CZ, but can still tutor up necro, and make up for loss of speed with counter spells.

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

In theory I would like to say yes.

@TripsAhoy 5 месяцев назад

❤❤❤

@brettfettbeargaming 5 месяцев назад

Didnt know you spoke binary! So many zeros and ones!

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

hahaha that is funny!

@williamsimkulet7832 5 месяцев назад

Isn't the best MBC Tormod, the Desecrator partnered with Tormod, the Desecrator?

@lits2722 5 месяцев назад

Outside of the opposition agent line i wonder if sidisi would just be better? You don't have to wait a round to attack, the card goes into your hand instead if top of library, and turns any 1 or 2 mana reanimation spell into a demonic tutor. I know it was popular a long time ago, i wonder if anyone has tried it out with the newer cedh cards

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

Yeah sidisi would do the same more or less.

@raedien 5 месяцев назад

@cedhtv can confirm as my first deck was Sidisi. Eventually moved to the same build but with Braids at the helm.

@lits2722 5 месяцев назад

I'm playing braids rn too! Surprisingly strong so far, it feels like a better tymna on turns 1-3ish

@Lazydino59 5 месяцев назад

As someone who hasn’t done these kinds of statistics in years, what would be considered a “statistically significant” amount for these videos? Like how many tournaments as I see the result and p value a lot but moreso what is typically the floor in “magic tournament entry” terms?

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

the Null Hypothesis (H0) states that there's no significant difference in average winrates between two player groups: 'WINS' (players who won games) and 'LOSS_DRAW' (players who lost or drew) in tournaments. H0 assumes that any winrate differences are likely due to random chance, not a real advantage. TWe try to statistical test checks if the data supports rejecting H0 and concluding a meaningful difference in winrates between these groups.

@Lazydino59 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv thank you. Maybe to better clarify my question: what is the threshold (be that wins, entries, etc), which you reject h0? Like “at approximately X tournament entries/games played, cedh tv determines this to be a representative sample”. What would X be?

@Thunderrokk Месяц назад

So, if ad nauseam gets countered you lose.

@cedhtv Месяц назад

YES!

@dirtpickingusa8786 5 месяцев назад

I can't find the link to the page showing the Varragoth decks, am I missing it?

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

edhtop16.com/commander/Varragoth,%20Bloodsky%20Sire?tourney_filter__size__%24gte=64&tourney_filter__dateCreated__%24gte=1673205045 Here you go.

@BingeThinker1814 5 месяцев назад

Honestly feel like Acererak is extremely underrated here. Feels like there's not enough entries, because the deck combos off super easily

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

But you kinda need aluren for it.

@BingeThinker1814 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv That would provide your opponents too much room to interact for free, for my taste. I like Relic of Legends with some discounters, like Heartless Summoning or Urza's Incubator.

@BingeThinker1814 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv The deck uses cost reducers as a combo piece, with the other piece being a mana rock lol. The combo assembly feels so organic. Absolutely never dead in hand.

@TheMattmatic 5 месяцев назад

Like these videos, but I think showing 3-4 decimals on the P-value would be enough 😀

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

Thank you. I guess I can try and change that.

@FattestCatInThePlnt 4 месяца назад

wow a yugioh deck in mtg

@BingeThinker1814 5 месяцев назад

If Sickening Dreams got countered, that seems like it would feel incredibly bad

@cedhtv 5 месяцев назад

YES! I think white would upgrade this a lot. Silence and angels grace.

@BingeThinker1814 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtv The deck should probably run things like Defense Grid imo, just to make it harder. 2 mana shouldn't be too hard to get, for the security it gives post Ad Naus.

@csPOthr33cs 5 месяцев назад

There is more than just the sicking dreams line. In fact you can win at instant speed with the "official" list.

@raedien 5 месяцев назад

@@cedhtvBoseiju (who shelters all) and defense grid are what came in for my version.

@DoubleBeast 5 месяцев назад

Varragoth _is_ the best mono 🅱️. I really don't think K'rrik is good. Enthusiasts may object, but the deck requires a a lot of resources and moving parts/spells to get going. Too much, if you ask me. Varragoth on the other hand is almost guaranteed to present a win after resolving Ad Nauseam, no exaggeration. Practically every Naus is the same; you're getting the game-winning spells in your hand. Incredibly consistent and far less mentally taxing than K'rrik. Could say it's boring, but something that can always run at 60mph > something that can hit 100mph for 3 seconds but sputters at 25 most of the time.