True, im only legend but this patch is definitely my hardest patch playing offlane I get trashed in lane so many games with those hero pools, the tier list aint lying
No Nyx? I feel like as a core he is a lot better now, and due to dusa in the meta he is viable (would also argue offlane am, shaker, omni, and several others)
SB is the best octarine buyer this patch. Octarine boosts everything about SB. His Q cd goes from 11 to 8.3 which is 7 with aghs but who cares because with octarine you also get an almost perma W and your ult feels like it's always up. I'm playing SB every role with a record of 16-4 in my last 20 matches in 4k+ games and I will play the shit out of SB because he is such a fun hero to play and he will get nerfed so hard next patch Also this video feels more like a Octarine Buyer Tier List than a Offlane Tier List
Death Prophet spirits even worked like that in Dota 1 - its a simple result of the mechanic being that the ghost flies back to you before attacking again. The increase should actually be quite significant, too....
Playig Slardar is fucking miserable this patch, he hates building auras, NEEDS a blink dagger just to function, is squishy as fuck, and on top of that you are usualy against some cancer lane like drow+1 since he picks second phase. The hero kit is fine but they need to buff his numbers asap. His bash (only reason to pick him, really) and his atack speed are so atrocious now its almost unplayable.
Can't agree more as a slardar lover. There is another fatal point I want to mention, that slardar is also a joke against med because her shield mechanism doesn't care the armor reduction at all.
Dawnbreaker is actually good up to immortal since theres always a wave to farm or pushout and you dont have a hard choice since you can ult in to save your team (if sb is banned)
Most of the “bad” heroes are quite good until the upper few ranks. And the opposite os also true for the “good” heroes. Unless the players knows what they are doing, many good heroes are generally bad in most ranks.
@@adamhero459 yeah I can see batrider being bad in the hands of a 2k player but iv been spamming him at 6k and the 37.5 second cd ult is very generous, even higher rated players don't expect 2 lassos in 1 team fight and such.
Dawn breaker is one of the best users of the free farm that is always available in lower ranks because you can just ult back into fights But because you Want to be hitting the free farm your are usually not actually playing with the team pushing you are reacting In higher ranks you will be played around and silencer is likely to be on the enemy team And farming patterns are better less excess farm available aside from the edges
I've been playing Nyx in the offlane building stats, then phylactery, and then maybe kaya, dagon for sure, and whatever else I feel it needs. I haven't lost yet (Archon rank lol but) The early phylactery is an incredible power spike since mind flare is basically the same cooldown so even if you didn't do any damage in the past 15 seconds, phylactery will go off and will do 150 damage. It really enhances the Vendetta combo too.
I swear Nyx used to be awful. Now he’s freaking amazing. He may not be a strong off lane but I’ve dumpstered a ton of 2.5-3k games just running around with dust and crushing other support / invis heros. He’s especially useful if your mid doesn’t pick a strong back line jumper.
tbh techies is best as pos 5 or 4 as he gives cores east set up opportunities and always has solo kill threat. Instead of hitting creeps as pos 3 it’s more optimal to hit heroes as a support with long range and (now in 7.33) high damage.
Maybe an addition since i vaguely remember someone mention it either you or BSJ or something. The mirana offlane. Built mostly like a pos 4 but can get shard and clear waves very quickly and farm up those auras. Plus universal and works well with the atos set up. I would rate her a low A as it meets the threshold of universal heros with long attack range in lane. Also aura building. Second another commenter ES seems a bit left out.
Lycan builds a lot of utility items in his typical build that translates fine to the new universal role. Helm, drums, Aghs, and scythe are typically built on Lycan, and before you weren’t getting much dmg from any of them, but now you do. I actually think his dmg is higher than it used to be. The big reason why I think Lycan isn’t worst or a D tier is because of the twin gates being able to teleport creeps. Before, if Lycan was pushing a lane and a fight broke out on the other end of the map, you couldn’t bring your 6400 gold creep with you. So Lycan got nerfed in some ways, buffed in others, but I think he is net buffed in 7.33.
Regarding Slardar tho'...he feels pretty strong on the lower brackets like Archon/Legend with how clown fiestas the games are with constant fighting, cause he's speedy & has almost constant up-time, not relying on a long cd ult. I don't even get dagger on him in a lot of games, or do it later if it's rly needed, as harpoon can somewhat take it's place while giving ya some decent stats + good build path from echo sabre, and you can legit burst supports down if you got ult on 'em and come at 'em with 2-3 bash charges already.
@@TheArranBicKman Oh those picks give slardar trouble. I try to ban PL when taking him tho, sometimes it can work out if you got good sync with your pos 4 & snowball on him but kinda hard. As for WR, yea, its' tricky, tried building mkb once when I was fed and she was and it felt like a noob trap, too much gold invested on just a dmg item. It's kind of a snowball & take control of the game or get rekt pick tbf. I don't like rushing dagger on him, so it's always threads > echo > harpoon > hyperstone, and you can insta delete squishy supports while they're stunned (gotta initiate with 2-3 bash stacks already tho), and ofc u gotta R 'em. If I do snowball enough, can go aghs early for highground push cause of high res, if not cuirass. Sometimes I'll never even get dagger.
As someone who has dabbled with Beastmaster a lot, I still feel like he is super broken right now. I did the vanguard build on him and didn't even get a helm of the overlord and I was fucking unkillable in lane and got 6 kills before 5 minutes. Got the aghs for the SLOMINESS and I was unstoppable. He's super fun atm
I think Razor is viable if you play an old Chinese 2015 style Razor. Forget this magic lifesteal build, go tanky and be this immovable object. I havent tried it yet, this is just in theory since im seeing a lot of p1 MK's and Ursas.
@@thebonnboombox I tried it today. Was experimenting with different items. Didnt seem too bad. Just Razor needs a lot of stats leaving base because i was having trouble last hitting with that fucker. Lol
I actually have been spamming bat and legion this patch. Calibrated into crusader 4 and activated recalibration again. Currently around archon 4 to legend in just 4 days
Echo sabre on brood is griefing? Isn't it the most promising build right now, getting sabre by 8-9 minutes and now you have 200+ dmg with the double hit, slow, stats, mana regen etc. I don't know much but it kinda seems like 200dmg with double hit + 100% lifesteal before 10 minutes is kinda cracked. Then you get harpoon utility at minute 11-12 and your damage is now 250, all this on a hero like brood - still a decent/good laner, farms super fast, very mobile with the buffed webs and portals, high push potential, no big cooldowns And then there's the aghs shard so she really scales now too. I don't know but I'm hoping someone like tundra will make plebs fear the spider again, I already saw 33 and skiter crushing pubs with it
As someone who has dabbled with Beastmaster a lot, I still feel like he is super broken right now. I did the vanguard build on him and didn't even get a helm of the overlord and I was fucking unkillable in lane and got 6 kills before 5 minutes. Got the aghs for the SLOMINESS and I was unstoppable. He's super fun atm
Good list , but why no Earth shaker he is still one good offlaner. Yes it' s true he does not build on auras, but i think he is generally better than earth spirit and tide. Especially against heroes with summons and illusions.
The problem of shaker is he's so low in early game and will be butchered by many carriers on lane just like sand king. Maybe even worse, considering sk can still jungle a bit through sandstorm.
Timber saw is bad??????timber used to counter strength only or some illusion heros. But now becuz kaya & sang works on it when u win ur lane u go one shot that enemy mid hero. It's the only offlaner that cannot be ignored in fights. It just kills everybody.
Jenkins saying underlord is brainless hero and just ults the wisdom and carry, and me trying it out a couple of games and only using ulti 3-5x in a match 🤣😂😅
I’m sad that you didnt use this opportunity to shun the omniknight offlaners spamming my games w their max e, 0 utility bullshit. I even saw slacks trying to get good with core omni using this dumb strategy. Make it stop
You know the funny thing is it says cannot be dispelled on his aghanim but it does. Its stupid like Oracle can dispell my item wich cosrs 4200 in 5 sec cooldown spell
great video, but I think its not okay to use she/her for the Legion Commander as a pronoun Maybe Legion Commander identifies themself as a non binary person and like to use they/them for themself.
Axe with a set percentage of procs may be more reliable but nothing will ever top that feeling of RNGesus being on your side as you turn into a literal blender in the middle of a warzone.
lycan deserves being dogshit for at least 3+ years,the hero was top winrate in immortal for more than 3-4 years ,i am so happy not seeing that garbage zoo in my games,even if i lose i prefer to lose to magnus pos3 than lycan,
Do you have to be good with the top tier heroes to benefit from the meta? Im legend and we use to dominate games even with the D and dogshit tier heroes. Or are these tier list based on win rates on higher ranked games?
Does your evaluation of DK here consider/include the build BSJ recently shared for him? (Midas, manta, aghs, octarine) Rather than the old blink stun focus, it's more pushing with a decent paced farming path up to near-perma ult uptime after oct core. Seems so much easier to execute than when I played him way back when with more traditional builds featuring stuff like blink/blademail/ac/daed
BSJ's suggested build is for safe lane. This video is for offlane. Right now what's really important as offlaner is winning your lane and being able to join teamfights as soon as possible. DK as a stun initiator got nerfed, and carry builds take a lot of time to get online. So DK's viability as an offlaner dropped.
Dawnbreaker's Echo-Deso build is OP up to 3.5k mmr. Im having 75% winrate for 57 games, its just too strong, since you're destroying 90% of enemy easy lanes, then playing as greedy as possible (low game tempo allows you to do so, but still should take part in fights with Solar Guardian) till you get Desolator, and then you can kill the entire map. But yea, she's really poor with auras build, so i guess its D-tier for higher ranks and, i'd say, B-tier for lower ranks.
@@Houlgravely actually Silencer and Nyx are good, cuz they can deny Solar Guardian ez pz. Also high phys armor heroes and auras can significantly decrease the damage from Dawn. Yet also she loses a manfight vs any conventional phys carry, unless she has lots of late game items.
Morph with ags is strong against universal heroes but its just a hard hero to play, hard to execute if you are not morph spammer, u cant situationally pick him like other carries
techies is a better tide in my opinion since both of their gameplay is well jump and stun enemy right now even thou tide of course much tankier but techies at the same time have more damage potential especially when counter initiate and then placing 3 bomb at once win so many game and gain about 500 mmr with techies althought i use techies as post 4 and play so aggresive building 2 bracer and right click the carry or the support and when their hp low enough and they over commit to last hit or trading hohoho it's time for bomb but in order to this aggresive playstyle to work, your offlaner need to have a strong disable early or dmg dealer like balanar or viper
Night Stalker may be a simple by judging a cover of book. It requires advanced itemization and strategies with team. Those pro players do not consider this item echosabre as good item, they only choose it for silly ways because night stalker do not have a similar passive to Monkey King's passive, Abaddon's passive or other heroes. As well as goes to Assault cuiras, Armlet, etc.. are silly items. Echosabre have below 50% win rate, quite confusing... Assault Cuiras is often bought in late game to get high win rate before they finish the game... Night stalker's job is to jump (blink dagger) on a target to burst down in his silence. He is not 100% tanky hero neither 100% carry... He is technicaly hybrid carry, durable and utility hero. So, Jenkins, I put Night Stalker in Tier S.
As a pos 3 spammer there is 2 heroes that i played some that not mentioned Its WK and Nyx, WK teamfight wise, its a bit harsh in early but im making him armlet, dagger and agh as core, rarely loss on ancient and doin it in avg 30 min game nyx is niche pick, feel lucky if one of the core is universal or int heroes you can snipe them in the chaos of team fight, built is thread, echo, lvl 2 dagon as core, can go dagger as initiate if that is lacking or bkb if necessary or straight dagon 5 if you dominate For the tierlist itself, my pool probably those 2 above + bara, mag, bat, LC and dark seer Axe, SK and primal are cheese or counter pick. sometimes enemies just dont have any disable and primal shine and dominate haha Bara is one of must ban for me or my stack, he is there with medusa, techies and PL but ngl, if it wasnt ban i will contest him on first pick LMAO Bat, Mag, Darkseer is comfort pick, cant go wrong, all these heroes that used to be initiate with dagger can go that later on and making item that make them hard to kill but still deliver when teamfight happen. LC buff is huge, but his weakness prob not so easy to farm the item needed like bara and his kill potential are lower than bara that can go rampant with maybe less item dependent like we all know
