@slymcfly123 its like the second card. Its not specifically ETBs its any triggered ability of a creature with power 2 or less. Its named Delney, Streetwise Lookout.
@mosesmckinney1373 nah they are just saying with the way things are going and the fact that every set has had a panharmonicon style effect it seems and they keep getting better.
@@winssports4830oh yeah I do that all the time where I read only like half a comment. I think now you can go 2,3,4,5,6 panharmonicons though. If you played a Mox turn one it would be possible.
Also nice that they made a completely average looking Asian woman with zero standout features, on some completely subpar artwork into a mythic card for MTG. "Make it lame and gay."
@@sexyitalian891 you do realize right that that is a guildless early teenager, the orphan kid who has lots of street connections/ runs a small street gang of orphans? That's why the card enhances the abilities of the meek. Are you complaining that the child is not sexy? Because that's a very weird hill to die on.
@@sexyitalian891 "Kaya took a large step backward, through the wall into the next office. If the Boros were going to war, all of Ravnica would quickly follow. She lunged for the office door, pulling it open to reveal a youth, perhaps twelve or thirteen years of age, with the hardened expression of someone who had been surviving guildless in the city streets for as long as they could remember. "You Kaya?" they asked. "Yes," she replied. "You are?" "Delney. Got a message for you." They held out a slip of paper. Kaya took it, reading quickly. Meet at Karlov Cathedral. Come alone. "Can you tell my partner-" she looked up as she spoke. Delney was already gone."
Wormfang Manta was already easy to abuse before the new Vannifar. There are multiple cards (the most obvious being Torpor Orb) that get rid of EtB "skip a turn" trigger, but won't affect the LtB "take an additional turn" trigger.
I love Delney as a flicker Weenie commander - double charming Prince, double blade splicer? And incidental double esper sentinel? Yes please!! That said, I think that first ability is huge, compared to other flicker style decks! It provides Delney a way to get in with little creatures, providing a way to end the game! Also, if you're building Delney as a commander, you gotta check out Serra Redeemer. 2/4 flier that puts two +1/+1 counters on anything else small that comes in? The moment Delney is out, that makes any creature coming in get +4/+4, AND you still get the ETBs! Spirited Companion is scary when it's a 2 mana 5/5 w/ draw 2 on etb!!
Worth noting vannifar that if you choose the counter mode it’ll put counter on anything you’ve cloaked in the turn prior, and as long as it works like morph I believe if it’s a creature it should retain those counter when flipped up. Probably not make it good enough, you still need to go a turn cycle and if that’s happening you could just have Shelly, but it is worth noting.
The creature type “Detective” showed up previously in the Universes Beyond Doctor Who decks. See: “Madame Vastra” & “Jenny Flint” A really cool and unique commander deck btw
Since Delaney doesn't copy the trigger but triggers again, abilities that can only trigger once still only trigger once a turn. It makes me sad, but that's how the rules work😢
22:07 that clarification is important, since most effects that put cards face down let you look at the cards. You can look at your hideaway, you can look at your foretold cards, you can look at your morphed/cloaked/disguised/manifested/etc cards, and with so many of these being keywords, ones that allow you to look at any time because of the rules, not because of anything printed on the card itself, pointing this out is kind of important.
Interesting that Persuasive Interrogators didn't even get 30 seconds of chat about it - given that the clue tokens don't need to be sacrifice to their own ability, there's potentialy for it to be immediately game ending if you have 4-5 clues out when you play it (it does create its own clue, but then it has to survive through the ETB), alongside something that can sac the clues for free like Bart. I definitely don't think it's powerful and it's more against the odds, but definitely worth a mention IMO.
Just so people remember. Shield sphere is a 0 drop 0/6 creature. So you just need that extra 4 toughness with things like Steel Wall to get an easy turn two Pride on the board. If you run fast mana you can even get him out on turn one.
24:44 Walking Bulwark is still on standard and gives this everything you would want it to have (besides evasion) for 2. Guardians of Oboro turns it on if you modify it (like, say, putting an Audacity on it).
I think intrude on the mind needs to be in a deck with GY strategies(unless there is a viable control deck in standard), then it's a punisher mechanic so the opp will always choose the least bad option for them...but if both are bad options for the opp, then the card is good.
Delney + the new 1 mana Goblin Maskmaker is hilarious. If you attack with the new goblin, you can disguise for 1 mana, since its also a triggered ability. Do this on turn 4 and you can dump up to 4 disguise creatures that turn. If you have two goblins, you can do it in turn 3. T1: Goblin Maskmaker T2: another Goblin Maskmaker T3: Cast Delney before combat Attack with both Goblins (unblockable to 3 power or more and triggers twice due to Delney, for a 4 mana discount on face down spells) Cast all of the disguise/morph creatures in your hand for free T4: they wrath or have 2 power or less blockers or eat a lot of unblockable damage due to Delney
Delney is going straight into my Brago, King Eternal deck since Brago and most of my creatures have power 2 or less, including the busted Preston, the Vanisher. It also makes Brago harder to block, ensuring its trigger goes off more often. As an added bonus, it can be tutored straight into my hand with Recruiter of the Guard.
Delney is pretty good in aristocrats too. Blood artists and all those effects are often on small 2 or 3 drop cards or they have lower stats on expensive cards to offset their strong effects.
You don't play Connect the Dots on turn 2, I feel like you play it on turn 4 or 5. If you attack with 3 creatures the turn you play it, then that's a Harmonize for mono red which I think is pretty good. At least for standard. Best case it will draw 4-5 cards or more and the 4 mana can be split bewteen turns unlike Harmonize. Also you don't have to crack it immediately after attacking. One downside to Bomat Courrier is if they targeted it with removal then you were forced to use it or give up on the cards. This is better because you can crack it on the endstep or in response to a sweeper. It doesn't matter if your attacking creatures connect / survive or not.
My Pride of the Hull Clade deck is just marit lage X. You don't need any defenders. You just make marit lage eot, cast your commander for one mana, and use its ability to swing for 21 and draw 20, or 40, or 60. Win however you want.
Consider the following: Vanifar and many other disguise cards have a strange synergy with Agatha’s soul cauldron and Heir of Falkenrath, play a card for free from your hand, discard a card and flip it thanks to the soul cauldron
@@aidennoir597 actually they aren’t because the key text on transform says turn it over, and since you have it flipped over you do just turn it onto its other side, yes I’ve also tested this in arena and it is functional just without Vanifar but it works with morph stuff at least in my experience
@@swagfrog4 That's interesting that it would work that way, considering how a lot of interactions in the other direction go. I guess if Arena says so that must be right though
@@aidennoir597 it’s an interesting and confusing interaction but it’s really cool though it may be an issue with arena UI as it’s not something they may have addressed so guess time will tell
A little sad Delney actually kinda non-bo's with Soul Herder itself (Still good with the other stuff you flicker). You get double flickers and extra counters the first time Soul Herder triggers, but then it becomes a 3/3, so Delney doesn't care about it anymore.
I think in standard disguise is going to be straight up bad. The fact it costs three to play means your opponent can cast a cut down or play with fire as long as they've hit their lands. And as the other player, I think it is almost always correct to use your removal that way. Playing them morphed is riskier than ever and the cost to flip isn't any cheaper.
I actually think Pride of the Hull Clade would work better as just a big stompy commander with a toughness subtheme. Instead of filling your deck with a bunch of horribal wall creatures, just play a bunch of big stupid creatures like vorinclex, or kogla, or rhonas the indomitable. Cards like Ghalta, Primal Hunger might look like a powers matter card, but it also has 12 toughness as well. Most of them also have built in evasion as well, so you can hit in easier. Don't forget about Charix, though, he is this guy's best friend.
Oh my God, a new janky way to get Phyrexian Dreadnaught onto the battlefield. I spent a lot of middle school obsessing over ways to cheat Dreadnaughts. Two Ball Lightnings was a fun one. Then they printed Aluren and you could Lightning, Lightning, Dreadnaught for free (at instant speed!). Anyway, thanks for the fun throwback :-) Gonna go listen to Marilyn Manson and watch MST3K now.
As someone who played a bunch of Steam Augury [overhated, won first FNM with 3 in Jeskai Control in Theros Standard, took 3rd in PPTQ with one in Temur CoCo along with Boon Satyr and Stubborn Denial as more flash stuff to do while holding up CoCo] and later Epiphany At The Drownyard [drownyard *is* much worse FoF because of the rate] and Fortune's Favor [worse than Steam Augury, slightly better than Drownyard], Intrude on the Mind is a card I will be jamming for as much of its Standard life as possible. Really looking forward to reliving Theros Jeskai Control with Lightning Helix [then it was Warleader's Helix], Sunfall [Supreme Verdict], Leyline Binding [Detention Sphere], Horned Loch-Whale [Azorius Charm], etc. Unyielding Gatekeeper is going to do so much work. People thought Den Protector was going too slow too but it ended up being a staple [Abzan Midrange, Band Collected Company, GW Manifest, etc.]. A key piece to that was Deathmist Raptor though. If we get something like a Deathmist Raptor in this set, Gatekeeper will be a major player. Without one, I think it will see play as a more niche card like Hidden Dragonslayer or Stratus Dancer. Vannifar is sweet. Not Whisperwood Elemental good, but it'll be a player in Standard.
idk why Seth was getting sassy over Connect the dots specifying that you can't look at the face down card. One of the main mechanics of the set involves face down cards you can look at, and there are other effects in the game that exile cards face down that you can look at
Vannifar+Etrata+Yargle and Multani+Pyrotechnic is the first thing I am building. I want to suprise dome someone with Yargle! Maybe you can use Nahiri's Resolve to cheat big things into play off of the cloak you get with the new Vannifar? Either way I am absolutely building around her she seems so sick. Also want to build Detective tribal for the memes. Seems like it could be crazy value with both roaming throne and the new panharmonicon.
Honestly I'm looking forward to the pride of hull clade for my kodama of the east tree temur commander deck. Any card that can significantly reduce its' cost ends up being able to cheat out some absurd things, and having extra copies of Ghalta that can draw, rather than damage is not a bad thing to have. If this card ends up being expensive, I'll ignore it. But because of how weird it is, it might well be cheap, and would pick it up then.
im sort of dissapointed that disguise is a 3 mana play. it would prob be bad for limited to be 2 but its just not super enticing for constructed. im excited for the mechanic in cube tho
Cloak and Disguise are unplayable outside of limited. I would much rather not have the cloak have ward 2 and instead just be a bear. So, a 2/2 for 2. Then you flip up for the disguise cost.
Pride of the Hull Clade really reminds me of Grozoth. Mostly a terrible card but niche use... might be time to break out Grozoths again and see what I can do with them. yay 9/9 defenders.
Ragavan + Delney seems busted, doesn’t it? Or am I missing something? Not only does Ragavan get to keep chipping in, but you get 2x the treasures and cards!
Oh man i wanna build Izoni AND Vannifar so bad. I already have a blue/green deck so that should be easier to handle but still... If i could justify putting Vannifar in my Imoti deck i would
I think unyielding gatekeeper is sweet. Is it flipping up an activated ability or a special action though-- because if it is like morph, then you can't respond to it in the same way.
Is it? If you blink all your stuff the second trigger will just fizzle. The only value is being able to stagger the blinks, which I don’t see much value in.
@@poiriit makes it even safer for your brago to swing in (he has 4 toughness and can’t be blocked by creatures with power 3 or greater) and doubles etbs of all the small creatures in the 99 you’re playing to blink with brago
@@yellowpiethat makes sense, I was a bit too focused on what Delney did specifically over other Panharmonicons. Since it being just a Panharmonicon didn’t seem worth mentioning in regard to Brago. The unblockability is nice, though I don’t see it being very vital since there’s usually someone without a flyer to hit. Overall it seems like one of the weaker Panharmonicons for Brago if you ask me, but I suppose he’ll take as many as he can get.
can't always beats can because the rules of magic are set up to promote interactive play and restrict degenerate synergy and combos from making the game entirely deterministic. something to think about the next time you've ramped to 8 mana on turn 3 and are mad about being counter spelled and think that the blue player is the problem.
When you said "that was back in Tarkir, 2015" I was like "ohh like five years ago". Then you said "almost a decade ago" and that was really not okay. For me og zendikar was a decade go, tarkir is recent stuff, right?... right? D:
Morph has a similar design problem as battles in March of the Machines. Battles have to be either good enough on the front side to justify playing it even if you can never flip it, or so good on the back that it literally wins you the game. If neither of these are true, it is unplayable. Spoiler alert, none of them are that good in constructed 😂. The cost of flipping a battle was usually effectively giving your opponent an extra turn that you paid for and the payoffs were never worth that. Similarly, to justify paying 3 mana for a 2/2 and THEN paying more mana to flip it, the card will have to literally win the game for you to be justifiable in a constructed deck.
Completely opposite. I'm super pumped cause all the new mechanics are wild and super different from tones of things we've seen before! Out of curiosity, what has you not excited?
@@as95ms98 I don't like the flavour. So many detectives hanging out in a fantasy world seems weird. Additionally I've never been a big fan of morph. But many didn't like Throne of Eldraine and that was one of my absolute favourites, just like Kaldheim and Phyrexia.
