The BEST PLAYER EVER In IODIS! 

I beat Krill on ladder last week and he messaged me after the game with a rant about how IMBA lurkers are (after he sniped two hatcheries at cost of the getting cornered and losing his whole army to lurkers on the way out). I told him to get over and tell it to Harstem, he said he already did... holy shit he wasn't joking. Amazing

man this was a good one! the player FINALLY didn't lie or mislead when he said he outplayed, etc. he just didn't understand how to handle lurkers. this really was a golden top tier IODIS

I wish there was more IODIS like this, where the player is genuinely better and outplays the opponent but has some misunderstandings to be corrected. Very educational!

Truth be told this guy is pretty good and we have here a legitimate coaching.

Comparing this to chess: you outplay your oponnent so well and they blunder a lot, you're up a rook and 2 pawns, then you trade your queen for a pawn and now you're losing. Is Black imba or do I suck?

IODIS is my favorite SC2 content and always learn so much. Thanks Harstem for the great content

The tank lurker analogy was fantastic, I think I am a better player just by listening to you captain. (I am not)

Let's appreciate the less known meme of SC2, at 22:55 the zerg player accuses the toss of all-inning when no such thing happened; the zerg's opener was just so bad that they are under the impression that only an allin would allow the toss to exert so much pressure :D

I didn't lose. I merely failed to win!

I learned so much from this one. It's about time. Don't worry I love the normal IODIS but it's nice to learn more about the mid game. These guys normally screw it up from the word go or it's someone who is really good where captain has to nitpick the small stuff cause that's all they have to work on.

To be fair, Krill actually almost had it all figured out on how to deal with those lurkers. He took a gun (researched storm), but instead of pulling the trigger, he tried to use it to bash his opponent who's using a break-action shotgun mid-reload.😂😂😂😂

I liked it when the hydra-ling all in'er accused the stalker-oracle all-in'er of all-in'ing.

This was a very entertaining and educational video. I think it can be summarized into a single sentence: don't fight into lurkers.

"I hate to say it, but this early game was actually pretty amazing" you made my day, captain

the whole "you don't want zerg to walk across the map and camp at your natural with viper+lurker" reminds me a bit of at least TvZ/ZvT related notes that I've read for BroodWar where you don't want zerg to walk across the map for free with defilers and camp your production with dark swarm

I love how the first clump of stalkers was struggling against the hydras and then he thought "yeah, let's do that again!" For that stage of the game, what do people recommend? I'd say, if you want Hero style, mix in a fair amount of charge zealots to mince up the hydras.

This is so me. xD Like you do well on the details, but have huge blunders on the really important engagements. Also, I really felt the toss when the lurkers started to siege. You feel pressured and panic and then engage into that head over heels.

I love watching these videos, I used to play SC2 a few times and never reach any significant level (like gold is the best I did). What I find good in IODIS is that there are so many ways to mess up and also ways to succeed lol. And Harstem s coaching which is nice

Can you imagine if krill got charge and did a chargelot warpin in the main while the stalkers hit the 3rd?

Wow Love the honesty and the recognition of you that he actually played well

That 9 years to become a black belt in BJJ vs just taking a different route to school analogy is weirdly superb

*14:10** -- "Colossus are bad against Lurkers."* -- Harstem, 2023. Well, now I've heard everything... :P .

Kind of reminds me of that meme of a guy doing a kickflip off the stairs with a rake. But this guy genuinely seems like a decent player, wish him the best.

Props to the editor for the splitscreen when something else is hsppening!!!!

Imagine if a Baseball player makes an extremely good hit and gets plenty of time for a home run, but nobody ever explained to him he was supposed to run around the field after hitting the ball, so the other team retrieves the ball while the guy is still arguing with his own team about how good his home run was.

This is the FIRST IODIS where the person sending it in ACTUALLY PLAYS GOOD; and there is just this one little thing where they are just completely wrong And it cant be fixed so easily. Just learn the 2 things you can do against lurkers, and youll be fine. This was a pure knowledge issue and tilting instead of thinking calmly. This person is going to get a lot of MMR in the next weeks

First one of these I’ve seen that seemed more like coaching than a roast. I think I like having both as options in the series

I actually still to this day (current GM) think that the most overpowered things in the game when playing as Zerg, are (minor issue) battery/overcharge in the early game that makes early harass super difficult to do any damage... build timing and range for Ghost and range for Thor - both vs important or massive units like Ultra / Brood. But Serral and Raynor win a lot, so I'm out of luck 😂 If you look at how they defeat something like a mixed ghost army it will be with a trick - like hidden infestor that gets a neural emp, for example - which might work great or one mistake and it's over. It seems to always be a struggle. But they win, so it's considered acceptable. Keep in mind I do win these sometimes, but it always seems like a massive struggle and I MUST outplay the enemy significantly, when they have the 'right' composition AND I have the right comp.

13:08 I used to have a strat in league where I'd purposefully play bad early game I'd let him free push I'd lose some cs just to then kill my opponent at that point he'd be so tilted he'd continue to make bad decisions

lmao.. when you laugh while "you suck" is just amazing!

@7:44 "This is starting to smell a little bit fishy." . really? Krill smells fishy? who knew?

Mass zealots could charge into 18 tanks

How hard would it have been to pivot into Carriers or Tempest after Krill brought the fight with the Stalkers the first time and realized the number of Lurkers?

I love how this protoss talked about managing the runbys, while all he does is right-click the hatch😂

Most of the problems were not understanding the position. The mechanics, army movement, and even macro was great. The tech was just never quick enough. Faster Colossi would have vaporized the Hydras; faster carriers would have nullified the Lurkers.

I think the big thing that makes people not respect lurkers is that they deal damage much slower. If a tank sees my army its immediately hitting me and im immediately turning away. If a lurker sees my army its gonna take a second and then damage a couple of units and then another second and will damage a few more. Its just deals damage much differently than regular units. Its more like a slow storm that isnt as visible so average and low level players have a hard time judging how much damage their army suffered until its waaayyy to late

Hm... The end screen shows "victory", and we see a comment AFTER the protoss quit... The zerg sent the replay, not the protoss, no?

I’m right at that mmr, and every other toss I play against would’ve had collosus way earlier, a fourth earlier, and teched to carriers faster. I get blasted by toss constantly at upper D2 mmr

Laughed so much at the end. 😂 Oo

The fact they took so long to transition into anything that counters Lurkers despite seeing nothing but Hydralisks the whole game really makes you wonder.

OMG the football analogy in the end was the best :D

Great episode hilarious and true.

The moment I would have realized that the opponent is behind me on eco as a zerg and doesn't have overwhelming army advantage either I would just put down 2 more stargates and a 4th base and go mass carriers lol.

@22:50 I really thought he would go for a that could have been fixed by just buying a gun and shooting him.

While this was diamond I will say as a Gold Protoss at the lower leagues there's units that aren't necessarily imbalanced but do require more skill to beat than they do to use. Battle Cruisers and Widow mines along with carriers I think are the ultimate examples of this but Lurkers are as well. People at lower leagues are much less likely to have the ability to transition mid-game or multitask well enough to attack from different directions. In contrast battlecruisers as protoss requires some micro and in slower less optimal games doomstacks of bc or carriers are doable. Once again not nessecarily imba but jumping into a base with BCs is a lot easier than having to manage a bunch of zerg spellcasters to shut them down

You can't win against Big Jimmy by head-butting his garden wall.

The lurkers reminds me of a game between Dark and Scarlett.

I'm low diamond 3. Even I know that when there are hydra, lurkers are coming next. Don't even really need to scout it. Just transition while holding him off of further bases. OR if your determined to make ground work... Drop 2 more robos and make distributors. With this many vipers, air is the only way to go. Unless your able keep his army chasing yours. If I can catch his army out of position, run right into his main, snipe his tech and layer, and recall home before taking too much of a loss. Then for the next 5 min he can't make additional lurkers and vipers.

I don’t think PtitDrogo is happy with this title.

@23:50 Harstem, how tf do you come up with those amazing analogies all the time? Are you watching the replay ahead of the recording? Do you prepare 20 analogies in advance for everything that might happen? Or do they really just come up on the fly and you're just that amazing? :D

Another classic case of submission having a big lead and never leveraging it and then dying in a bad fight

The scouting probe goes back, builds the 3rd and just derps in the mineral line doing nothing for the entire game!

agree man, how you don't transition into immortal-carrier with that economy is a head scratcher. he didn't even get infestors out..

So I know Harstem doesn't live in the US and his sentence does make sense, but from an American's perspective this sentence sounded really funny. "It's the same in football. If you out dribble all of your opponents but every time you get in front of the goal you pick up the ball with both of your hands and kick it full force into the head of the referee." So in my mind we had an American 'handegg' player trying to dribble an oval brown ball like a basketball player on a soccer (football) field. The soccer field came in at "pick up the ball with both hands" at which point it was really obvious he was clearly talking about soccer (football) the whole time. The amalgamation of gear and gameplay going on in my head made me laugh.

"Both players messed up and somehow created a standard situation" just sums up diamond league to me.

That rant at the end.. tell us how you really feel Captain. :)

This looks exactly like almost all of my pvz games

this is probaly one of the best IIIODIS in a very long time. the player truly outplayed his opponent and mostly failed on knowledge/technicality that should had been known at the time. overall the plays were quite solid i found .

I find a lot of humor in this. The Toss complained about Protoss being called the amove race, then lost because he blinked and amoved into a bunch of lurkers. Lurkers are the hard counter to an amove, and amovers need to respect it.

So lurkers into safety Spyre. I get it.

Euh... Go Disruptor, maybe ?

he's right about zerg being the easiest race...wait..no that's protoss. Protoss is easiest to win against, Zerg is the hardest. The numbers don't lie. Has nothing to do with his complaint though: Blinks entire army on top of lurkers I would love corsairs and reavers to be brought back though...they were the natural brood war counter to lurkers.

Harstem comparisons are always good lmao

watching the hightemplars in that lurker-viper fight not use psionic storm hurt my eyes

Yeah. When you have such a big economy and tempo advantage, just build air. What's the next tech after hydras if not lurkers...?

Lurkers cant shoot up. Get carriers and just pewpew when you're that far ahead xD

I'm surprised Harstem knows bodybuilders look great but aren't as strong as powerlifters.

No disruptor mention? :D This makes me sad... he had robotics bay for sooo long and only made observers.

If you played this well in WoL, you'd be high master/low grandmaster. Krill should be proud.

i just go 3 hatch before pool when my natural is denied :) it works fine.

throw of the century

I'm a newer player & only hit gold. But I never understand why people don't build air against lurkers... I understand they can make anti-air but it still negates their lurkers.

Protoss Ego has been marred again

Welcome to the lurker zone.

I wonder what big Jimmy is up to

to be perfectly honest, I don't think the game was yet over. If the protoss had regained his composure and *at least PARTIALLY rebuilt* at his expansions, he could have still fought on. The Zerg was almost exhausted, running at 1.5 bases, with pretty much no possibility of recouping any further army losses he'd have suffered. .

Damn, I missread the tilte and thought it would be Serral IODIS, still hype, but you know

Damn dirty zerg; always A moving their lurkers...

I think part of thr problem is players forgot about scouting and map control as they go into thr mid game

just starting this video ... I have a feeling that guy is going to get trashed, see you at the end of the video :)

Now rewatching thanks to Krill 2 Electric Zergaloo

Getting angry at Protoss getting called A move race, meanwhile 3 observers fly with your army...

Can’t wait for the next Krill IODIS

Thank you!!!

I agree completely, in terms of fighting skills Habib is sure better than Arnold even though he's much smaller.

I have to admit that it is very very sad to whitness such a good game being lost like that. Truth is that 1 fight with a max army vs another almost full army resulting in a 0% vs 90% ... its just GG. SC2 isnt only about macro and map control, It is also about fights and how to respond properly vs the agression. GG tho, you should have won, if you transitioned into something else , or had used your templars storms.

Well by definition you can always take decisions to win the game so is it even possible Cap will ever say it's imbalanced by his definition. In my mind having an easy to control unit combo that pushes enemy into situation where it is extremely easy to make mistakes that can turn the game around 180 degrees is pretty op. Point is that some unit combos require a counter which requires asimetric skills level to execute correctly. Of course in this case he had time to do air switch, but it's not always the case. Only Zerg can suddenly tech switch like it is no big deal.

Lurker is like siege tank but has no range limit What can you do is simple. Air. Make your Armada above the sky because Protoss Air is indeed overpower when ground units werent enough

I am a puny silver zerg and this video made me want to make Lurkers every day forever.

I would have base traded when he moved lurks out

In what world is arnold weak?

harstem hasn't even finished reading the imba form and i can already tell your walls have fist-sized holds man chill out 💀

I think this protoss has dismissed carriers and air units as a legitimate option because they hate being accused of playing an easy race and people like hating on carriers. They even write it in the report, that they disagree that protoss is easy. So over time, Carriers were devalued because they sont count it as a real, skilled win when they win with air. Thus no carriers..

I've played both of them, they are incredibly BMered

I don't even know how many legs a lurker has

Na server hits dif huh captain?

This is the most convincing IODIS, i feel bad for this protoss, i understand why it is not imba, but it don't feel fair at all, and the zerg BM add to that feeling.

I'm so confused how lurkers keep coming up in iodis when you're clearly bad for throwing zealot stalker archon at lurkers. Moving out is the worst mistake you can make because then zerg can threaten a key position and force you into making a really bad move to try and save it and it's exactly what happened. This is how I get the W vs toss that do the same vs me and what I avoid when I play toss.

Dude forgot that lurkers cant shoot up

I also hate lurkers. I know I suck, but man it's so annoying having a absurdly good early game keeping the Zerg on 2 base and then losing to 12 lurkers.