The BIG Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II Retrospective 

You keep mentioning "BETHESDA" instead of "BIOWARE" at the beginning rant.

Gonna see where I did this and I'll add a correction

I don't think the restored content is out on the Switch. At least it wasn't a few weeks ago.

@PFworth Do you have a timestamp? There's six mentions of Bethesda in the script and they were all referencing New Vegas development.

There's some controversy with the Restored Content for the Switch edition, it was supposed to come out in Q3 or 4 last year but due to Aspyr no longer working on the Kotor 1 remake, they've been radio silent on pretty much anything, including the Restored Content DLC

Explain the meaning of this for a non-native english speaker?

@@deviatlon It's a euphemism for sex - 'loading ramp' is a stand-in for, uh, the part you put stuff in. There's also the dialogue option with the Handmaiden where you can complain she's always training naked, and if you're also not wearing anything, she'll pointedly say "it doesn't seem to bother you." Your response? "Yeah, well, this is my ship. I can walk around like this if I want."

@@Dianacat777 thanks mate! now i know more)

Not Atton's "Are you an angel?" joke?

Fill her exhaust port

That's a great idea!

What????

Really? I'm not that far from that point in my 98th play through lol. I'll have to check that out. Iv never heard that before

Yeah, I did that on my first playthrough out of curiosity. I thought it was a glitch, but what it really was is a great attention to detail.

I think Its more of an oversight because you fight Her in the end

I think it's fair to be OP in 1 considering you're basically the big bad evil guy and are sort of supposed to be terrifying. The writing does make sense, and is actually pretty neat especially with the Revan twist, even if KotOR 2 does OP force users better as both being OP but narratively put down as ultimately not helpful.

Indeed, the first one you are already super strong, you are just remembering things, while on the second one, it is mentioned you were weaker than Revan and Malak, and along the path you take with Kreia you are rebuilding your foundation and then expanding on it, becoming one that could rival them in strength and wisdom.

And 2 also shows (accurately) that a character this charismatic and powerful would scare the shìt out of other Jedi and they eventually call you a threat to all life in the galaxy. It’s such a genius meta way to explain XP and why you gain strength in the game plus why companions follow you without question

​@FoxyChariot The following without question is explained to be the force basically brainwashing them to do so as Meetra Surik(Exile's Canon name) experienced such trauma on Malachor V that it made her effectively a living wound of the force with potentially no limit to her abilities. This is explained cryptically and requires slightly reading between the lines of Kreia and the Masters' dialogues.

"Rebuilt Jedi Enclave" is my favorite Star Wars soundtrack ever. RotJ's "Jedi Fury" is a close second, though.

Oh very interesting, ty

Dang I had no idea

to get the most xp grab the sonic sensor, fight all the droids in the hallway and rooms & go back to the top floor (you can gain new dialogue & ds or ls points from Atton depending on how you interact) from there go back to the security room then use the computer, go thru the recordings and press the option that uses the sonic sensor, next go back down & go to the console near the airlock door go through the security recordings & use the sonic sensor again then finally go back and talk to hk ask him every single question, get the third voice print and persuade him to speak the code (might need to use force valor)

I love Peragus. It's a dark, uncomfortable, Cosmic Horror setting with a great villain in HK-50.

It blew my mind way back then when on my second playthrough I accidentally figured out you can coax the voiceprint samples out of HK-50.. this is such a gem of a game and deserves an actual remake out of it with just better graphics, fixes and smoother gameplay but everything else intact.. shame I have 0 confidence that any one studio would keep the game otherwise intact these days..

Best written ever, the only character who doesn’t want blind obedience

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​@@javifuentes302you're what? YOU'RE WHAT?!?

yep

Pretty big Oopsie.

also a console gamer, the mobile version is moddable!

@@laithhart4013wait are you saying I can play the full KOTOR2:TSLRCM on mobile???

@@kettlemagic Yes! That’s what i did on my iphone

As someone who HAS been diagnosed, you just gave me the idea to replay these games on meds to be able to focus on the long dialogues better.

Doug Stanhope had a great bit about not having ADHD, as is, but the conversation being just plain boring. It's less a weakness, and more term limits for tedious. I feel your comment, 'cause I get the same lapse in focus when I read novels and other stories. Kotor II had exceptional world building and story. I was hooked straight from Telos. Great game! [That Stanhope bit: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3VE5BpqJAtg.html]

Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus actually represent the pure incarnation of the Sith teachings. Nihilus is a power hungry maniac, what the Sith love, and that destroyed him, made him into a slave of his own desire for power. Sion on the other hand, used his pain and hatred to become immortal, but he too is a slave to that because he relies on the force, on that pain and hatred, to exist at all. He's a slave to his own pain and hatred, literally, otherwise he'd die. The great part is that Kreia is a foil to these characters, and directly criticizes both the Jedi teachings, but in this case the Sith teachings, showing how they destroy people and therefore cannot be true. Which is central to her character.

@@XboxxxGuy I get it and I respect it but I just put all my skill points into strength and one-shot Sion and/or Nihlus every time I bumped into them 😂

I mean, they're all walking corpses really. Why do you think Bao-Dur found Kreia to be "tougher than she looks"?

The best part of that dialogue is that the player giving up the game is completely optional. HK obviously figures it out either way but I really like how they give you the option for a comedic beat

This is also my favorite game of all time

This game is made for people who hates Star Wars.

@@tonyknighton4019 On the contrary, it's made for people who genuinely love SW. It critiques everything with care and respect. The thing that's made for people who hate SW is the Sequel Trilogy and especially TLJ.

​@@GalahadTheSeekerKOTOR 2, for people who love Star Wars and the lore, is an amazing 'through the looking glass' take on it that challenges all the surface level appearances of it, but also reinforces the themes subtly through the gameplay. The mistake people make( especially those whose only time really thinking about Star Wars, looking at you Rian Johnson, was when playing this game) is taking Kreia at her word, and buying into her line of thinking, when her entire character is built on lying and taking the extreme option. People interpret her going from a Jedi Master, to a Sith Lord, and then claiming now that she is 'neither' as she is s Grey Jedi, or balanced in the force, and is right because she is taking a middle ground(a common fallacy). But she's not, she's just taken another extreme to its logical conclusion. She's seen all the Force has to offer, that neither the Jedi or the Sith have the answers or are perfect, and decided that since there is no way to get the answers she wants, her answer is she will destroy the Force. That is her whole arc. She wasn't satisfied with the Jedi answers to her questions, and believed it was because they were afraid of the Dark Side and so the answers must be there. When she dedicated herself so perfectly to the Dark Side she became an avatar of one of its strongest facets, and still didn't get her answers, and was broken and betrayed, and went looking for the only other person she knew who had also been on both sides of the Force and come out stronger for it , Revan. Instead she found the Exile, and they were someone she saw had survived despite being severed from the Force, and was somehow more powerful for it in a way, and decided that was her new goal, that the Force itself was to blame, that it controlled everything for some unknown goal and she resented it for it. She only thinks in extremes, and believes any compromise from perfection is personal weakness, and that the Force always stymied her from finding the answers she sought. And the Exile proves to her that people can not only survive without the Force but possibly be stronger for it. There is also interesting ties ins to the New Jedi Order books and the Yuuzhan Vong( both in this game and the 1st) that prove her wrong too. The game itself though, through gameplay and story prove her wrong. Doing all the classic good guy things leaves the places the Exile visited better, both long and short term. Her argument that not helping actually hurts them is actually short sighted. She claims that on a much longer time frame things would be better if you hadn't done them, but it's literally the exact same outcome as you brought about, sooner and with less suffering. The fact that bad things will also still happen in the future doesn't change the good you did right now. Her foresight is biased and selective to how she interprets the world. She can't be trusted in that interpretation because first and foremost who she deceives is herself. That is proven by how she treated and is proven wrong about the companions on the ship if the Exile brings them to the light, how she was wrong about Revan, about the other Sith Lord's and so on.

I found out about it a few playthroughs ago, and I was shocked how useful it was early game. -That's if Bao-Dur can even land a hit cause good lord, it feels like he's blinder than a bat.-

Bao Dur was an absolute powerhouse on my playthrough, I dunno why they decided to make unarmed combat stronger than most weapons

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Was about to say, I just beat the game on switch and am planning to replay it once they restore the content on switch but at this rate idek if it's ever coming out

​@@flamingbagofcrisps9157Yup, it's not happening. Got cancelled. Fucking shame

Lol they didn't read the whole comment

My first playthrough of TSLRCM I went full Sith Lord and I was shook getting to the very end of Hanharr’s arc. That Wookiee is traumatized beyond anything I could have imagined.

It's not actually D&D. D&D has become ubiquitous with tabletop role playing game, but they aren't the same. There are lots of other TTRPGs out there other than D&D. For example, Fallout is based on the GURPS system. Kotor is based on its own d20 system as well. D&D is a system with its own specific rule set, which doesn't apply to Kotor.

@@asturias0267 It was actually based on the WotC Star Wars rpg they made at the time, which derived most of its rules from third edition DnD.

I put bootlegs of KOTOR soundtracks on at work or at the grocery store lol #Xile

There's more about Revan in KOTOR II than in KOTOR I.

Same I was super excited for the Revan Novel and parts of it were good but Revan and T3 went out sad

Also the mystery at the end of kotor 2. My imagination would run wild wondering what could be in the unknown regions

Very true. New vegas is also a top 5 obsidian are built different.

The game's original trailer and the story even stresses your character is the last known Jedi in the Galaxy which is why I call this game the REAL Last Jedi tale

Please don’t compare this masterpiece of a game to that steaming turd Rian Johnson shat out

@@kaitosevski3881 just say you have no taste in film or subversive storytelling and move on.

@@chunk5465 I love subversive storytelling when it's done well. TLJ didn't do it well and ended up feeling like something an edgy 14 year old who's only seen one Star Wars movie would write I loved KOTOR 2 and I loved the New Jedi Order series, both of which are focused almost entirely on subverting and deconstructing the themes of Star Wars. Plus, the whole purpose of Empire is to subvert the expectations set up by the previous movie Outside of Star Wars, I actually like most of Rian Johnsons work, both Knives Out movies are absolutely brilliant I just don't like TLJ because it is a badly written movie. It's not "subversive" if all the characters make decisions that character would never make (There's no way in hell the person who believed that one of the most evil men in the galaxy could be redeemed would try to murder his nephew in his sleep for having a bad dream). That's just bad writing Imo, Johnson is a good film maker who just doesn't understand the Star Wars universe or the characters that inhabit it. You can't properly try to subvert a story when you don't even understand that story in the first place. That's why Empire, KOTOR 2 and the NJO books work, while TLJ falls flat on its face And that's not even mentioning how nonsensical, contrived and boring the plot is or how boring, one note and unlikeable all of the new characters are. TLJ (Along with the rest of the Disney trilogy) is one of the worst movies I've ever seen

I recommend The Salt Factory who also has a multi hour review of this game as well as others :)

From what I've heard, the book(s) absolutely butcher their story. The Exile is killed in the worst way possible. And people who *have* read it all say that they don't consider it an actual canon ending to her story. Apparently, she's killed fairly early on or something? The book just wants to focus on Revan and how #SuperCool he is, so the author killed her off to let Revan get the limelight.

@@shaelynmartin1996 book kills her and Revan fights a near godly Sith Emperor to a standstill before a sith ally stabs him in the back due to a vision and nothing else. Revan is than tortured for hundreds of years with the Exile ghost keeping him semi sane until he gets out and literally splits into a good light Revan and a bad dark 4evan in 2 different 'bodies' and everything. No word to my knowledge on where the Exile ghost went but I could be wrong on that.

@@nahte123456 That honestly sounds like the dumbest shit ever and I'm so glad I never read it lol Maybe we'll get lucky and the Remake(s) do happen. And they actually make a KOTOR3 as well to *properly* finish their stories.

@@shaelynmartin1996 Yeah, the book is straight butchery. It ignores virtually everything about the Exile in favor of turning her into a cheerleader for Revan. Like SWTOR, it pretty much wanted to pretend KotOR II never happened. (How does Meetra Surik even become a Force ghost when her shtick is that she is literally a void in the Force? Never mind the sheer audacity that her grand destiny in the Unknown Regions is just dying immediately.)

To be fair, she created a wound in the force that follows her, but it in turn made her godly in the force, so force ghost makes sense imo

Cool observation. Makes me wonder if the Ebon Hawk prologue should have been made a bit longer, and not something to be skipped (obviously hints could be turned off, but one could have fit some extra story stuff there to lighten the time sinks of Peragus & Telos).

@@DBArtsCreators I like how they offer the Ebon Hawk prologue to be skippable. Having it shorter as well (Since, like the Endar Spire, it's just a tutorial on the gameplay mechanics) makes it a bit more manageable on repeat playthroughs.

@@shaelynmartin1996 Fair.

All people like kotor because the reboot comming but , the first two kotor are the best to discover today in star wars universe . I like this two game since my discover on their year release .

Lmao girth

I’ve played KOTOR 1 slot more times simply due to the fact that while telos is a pretty bad slog of an intro, peragus is just so much friggin worse. Like I haven’t timed it but it feels like doing 100% of everything on telos doesn’t take near as long as doing everything in peragus and then on the telos station and then finally on telos itself. Like ugh.

Hope you enjoy it!

Corrected in description using Restored content!

Yup I believe you had to be dark side or chose a very specific dialog path to get it.

It is also my favorite as well - i loved the mando camp as well as the detective case on Onderon, as well as returning to these worlds later on. And of course i loved Canderous in this game even more than in the first one

For Clan Ordo!

Yee I added a correction for this but thank you

Mechanically, it doesn't make much sense to make Bao-Dur a Jedi. Guardians get much less skill points than he does normally, and with the feats and a high Intelligence you can get him incredibly high in all skills. I use him to make anything I need since he can make every item

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I gotta play Torment and the Pillars games soon

@@SuperRADLemon I wonder what will be your answer to the "question". Have fun! :)

@@SuperRADLemon Numenara or Planescape?

Thanks, will do!

Glad you enjoyed it!

I've been learning that today 😅

i wonder if it has something to do with the fallout of the KOTOR 1 remake?

Corrected in pinned comment, thanks