Very good video Chris. I always enjoy & appreciate the information you pass along. I consistently hear about the great finishing edges the black Arkansas stones produce on a blade edge.
Just ordered 7x2x1/2 blue/black from Dan's, also ordered blue/black large pocket stone,and a 8x3x1washita. I spoke with Mary and she is a class act lady
Proud owner of Dan's 8x3x1 Trans and Black Arks. Was over $800 for the two...lol. Have the Naniwa Pro stack up from 1k to 12k but I needed a finisher. The edges I get are not only screaming sharp they are also smooth as all get up. Won't need to re hone for months if the stropping is good. Daily shavin! Best investment ever. Actually, love them so much I want to build furniture to place them in. Man jewelry...lol 😆👍 As always, thanks for the info, always learning from your channel. BTW, you shave with straights?
Just ordered a black from Dan this morning on your recommendation I have a dan medium and hard give me a little bit and I'll have a nice translucent from him to
Yoooo. I’ve been into blades for 6 years, and recently moved to Arkansas. Now I’m running across forum post about this mythical stone. I don’t know if google is Jedi mind tricking me, or if I was just uninformed until I got here.
Nice video I thought you were doing this anymore wasn’t getting any notifications that you were putting up videos Hey I just picked up a set of three DMT stone I was told they wear out faster than typical diamond stones I know you swear by the DMT what’s your opinion I have not used them yet not quite ready for any knives to be sharpened
Al 76 are they the heavy diamond plates or the plastic base with ovals? And yes i will continue to do this. Just been busy is all. Injury slowed me down etc
I've only dealt with Kim up there but she has always taken very good care of me. I couldn't be happier with my $40. primitive cut black stone. did you need to lap that combo stone or were you happy with it right out the box?
Hi can you tell me how to lap a Arkansas stone . Can I use a dmt diamond stone coarse? Can I use water or I must use oil to lap? After the lapping I can't use the diamond stone for lapping water stone? Can I wash with water the diamond stone after lapping with oil and use again the stone with oil on the Arkansas stone? Water has never to be used on arkansas if you decided to use oil? Can I use also send paper what grain? Thanks
Good video. Thanks. I have seen most Arkansas stones listed as oil stones. But some are listed as wet stones like the 8000 grit. Do you have any clue what makes the difference between them?
I have 2 blacks that I lapped with 220, 600, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500. I have a translucent on order ... what is your recommendation for lapping as the black is obviously the finishing stone?
Iv always wanted to get an Arkansas stone. But I keep hearing they won't cut higher carbide steels. In your experience can they cut stuff like K390 or 10V.
I got a cheap combo soft hard black on amazon. The black is gray and turns really dark gray when i wet it. Guess its not great quality. I will probably send it back and get a dans.
I don't use oil on any of my stones...I've been using the soapy water for a very long time and it produces fantastic results and is much less messy...for better cutting on some stones like my natural stones, I put a few drops of .25 Gunny Juice on the stone
I have a new very black Arkansas stone that I've taken care of the same as my others black Arkansas but something is not right. The first month it put an amazing finishing edge and polish on the blade. It's around 6 weeks since I've had it and it now become porous and rough. I've never had this happen so I don't why. It's still flat but it seems like it needs resurfaced. This stone is jet black darker than all my others as well, like a Mag Light black.
That's like asking if I think a hammer or a skill saw better. They both have there purpose. And strops shouldn't be messy at all. The black Arkansas is super fine and a great stone. But on occasion there is still a bit of a burr left. And that is where a nice strop comes in handy.
I just dont understand. The important part is the quartz and particularly the density. The color of pure novaculite should be translucent. The black color is an impurity,are you saying the impurity improves the honing ability of the stones?
The black color is not an impurity. Ive talked to Dan at dans whetstones and hes been doing this for years and years. He said. He cannot figure out why blacks are blacks.
What grit waterstone would you say is a good step before going to a black arkansas? Or would a spyderco ultra fine be a good step before the black arkansas?
Hello Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening I looked but didn't see which video you discussed this in. Are you saying a progression of grits doesn't make sense, or just going from water stones to oil stones doesn't make sense? Just curious your thoughts on this. I would say water to oil is better than going from an oil stone to a water stone simply because oil will ruin a waterstone if any oil were left on the blade. I'm buying some more oil stones- looking at a Dan's black 12"x3" because I sharpen a lot of tools and like the larger. Here is a video I made about Chosera stones and in it I discuss the progression between grits. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-V_psHMbYIQQ.html The video was done while we waited out a hurricane and I probably should have spent more time on each steel but it gives an idea of grit progression. Please don't read my comment as being argumentative, but rather just discussing sharpening, which as you know has many different opinions. Now that I have reached higher levels in my sharpening, I am reconsidering oil stones, realizing that probably part of my lesser results in the past was I simply didn't have quality oil stones. I'm excited about exploring more oil stones now, although my wallet isn't. I found your video while trying to decide between the translucent and the "surgical black" as many sites call it.
Malcolm Schweizer well if you must go from a oil stone to a water stone, clean the blade with alcohol. But water stones and Arkansas stones are two completely different grit ratings. Also I use dawn and water on my arks and dmt stones. Oil is inferior in my opinion. I feel I get much crisper edges with Arks rather than water stones. The only thing I use my kings on are Scandinavian grind and convex. But I use a spyderco uf before my dans black Arkansas. And not at all we gotta discuss things 😀
Well sir, I pulled the trigger on the Dan's 12"x3" ultra fine black stone. Should arrive in a week or so. I live on an island so I don't have the luxury of actually going to the store and looking at something before I buy it. I very much depend on videos like yours- thanks. I am going to try the dawn and water before I contaminate the stone with oil. I like the idea. Will watch your video on that next.
I'll. Tell you the same thing I tell everyone else. You get what you pay for. Dan's is top notch stuff, you won't find any better. Get good stones and get great edges. Get crappy stones, well you know the rest.
Jason Lin you cant put a precise grit rating on these. They are defined by specific gravity. But the surface can be lapped to be much more coarse or finer
What is your opinion on using black arkansas stone on low alloy high carbon steels like 52100, O1, Aebl, cpm154 that are heat treated to 61-3hrc( these are common steels used in western custom kitchen knives)? And do you have any experience with Japanese natural stones? Great video as always and nice to you back. Thanks
LUNG SUN well dang 01 shouldn't have a Rockwell that high. lol. I have sharpened everything from 1084 carbon to elmax and s90v on my blacks. works well with anything, juat depends on what kind of edge you are looking for. And yes i have. i do not like them, they are very low quality compared to Arkansas. In my opinion. And just way to much to keep up after with all the names etc lol.
+Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening I actually know a custom kitchen knives makers that heat treated his O1 to 64-5 HRC without being too brittle for chef Knives. And a few makers that heat treat O1 at 60-61hrc with cryogenic treatment. Japanese blue paper steels which have higher carbon and higher tungsten content than O1 are also very common in kitchen Knives. They are usually heat treated btw 62-4hrc.
+Rough Rooster Knife Sharpening I actually know a custom kitchen knife maker that heat treat his O1 steel to 64-5hrc without being too brittle or chippy for chef Knives. And a few other makers that heat treat O1 to 60-61 with cryogenic treatment. Japanese blue paper steels which have higher carbon and tungsten content than O1 are also very common in kitchen Knives. And they are usually heat treated btw 62-5hrc. I found most kitchen knife guys prefer their knives that have very high HRC.
Then you have never used Dawn and water on your Stones if you think it clogs them up. I'm pretty sure that I've already blocked you once how are you still commenting?
@@thewalnutwoodworker6136 it has nothing to do with that there has been several comments on here for you started shit and just run your damn mouth. And if you can't come on my channel and act right and show some respect you damn right I'm going to block you. I'll give you one more chance and then I'm going to block you from viewing my videos and commenting.
I own a 6x2x0.5 jet black vintage smiths. I picked it up in a lot of Soft, hard and black for $17 bucks. These stones can be picked up really cheap. I don't think they give the finest edge possible butt my chisels can treetop hair!
I have a Shapton 160000 that can make the metal much more polished on my chisels and planes, but won't cut any better than the black Arkansas although the black Arkansas produces a dullish shine. It's very weird. That said the glass stones are faster.
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 I've honestly never gotten a mirror (in a bright sense) finish with my black ark. I may not be treating it right (my concern is always flatness over absolute sharpness) in surface prep. Still working with getting used to the stone. My surfaces all look like silky grey semi glossy mirror. That said, all the edges produced cut just as well as my 16000 shapton with much less chance for stray particles to leave streaks. I try to shave a slice just a few degrees off parallel against end grain as the acid test for sharpness. They both produce the same waxy finish on the end grains.
From what I gather Chris grit does not play a part in the black or translucent Ark , surely if you had a black and a trans the same size and done a gravity density test the one that were more dens the better the stone when it came to these Arkansas stones, This is why some say there trans is better and others say there black is better, You guys are so lucky to get your hands on the size Arkansas stones over there, we in the Uk England only grab what was brought over here 6x2 inch, cost us way way to much to order a Dans and get it here, Also Dan never seems to reply to his email
@@roughroosterknifesharpenin5531 That`s what I said in my first paragraph, Grit does not play a part. Density is what I personally find makes a better out come,
