Yeah… this one really did him in. Honestly, he played so many characters that were horrific. He’s so good at it but good grief… I hope he comes out of this ok ❤
I read Lionels book when it came out and found it very moving and sad, he definitely spends time analyzing all the ways he feels he may have failed as a father and ponders the possibility of genetic influence.
@@82566 I thought so at the time but it has been about 30 years since I read it, so I can't speak to the quality of the writing or anything, but At the time I thought it was a really unique perspective.
I totally understand the victims' families anger towards this show making them relive all this trauma and weren't even notified or paid by Netflix for their portrayal, which is fucked up and they deserve a lot better. That being said, this series has easily done the most justice to their stories out of any Jeffrey Dahmer biopic. And I really hope that some part of them can rest easy knowing that so many people who've watched this show truly feel for all their losses. It's just tragic all around. Personally I’d like to see all the money this show has made go into finally building the memorial they set out to build at the end.
Exactly I feel conflicted. I feel so bad for the families not knowing it was being made or being paid or having any say in their depiction but at the same time this show did the victims justice in getting their story out. I felt that shot this show respectfully and wasn't too graphic. we shouldn't forget these horrors otherwise they will just repeat. I wish the families didn't have to remember.
I work with a former psychologist, and apparently pretty recent findings have found that there are 2 big factors in psychopathy 1. Genetics and 2. Childhood trauma.
Love your vids on this. Evan Peters is such a top tier actor. It's interesting how Dahmer and Edmund Kemper had very similar self awareness and was willing to talk about everything
The hug that his father gave him instantly after seeing him in chains really messed me up. Because we saw Jeffrey trying to hug his dad multiple times during the show but he always backed off and made it uncomfortable.
i don’t understand people who are feeling bad for dahmer and/or the dad….like i understand he was troubled and traumatized and yes i have empathy for that but i will not shed a tear over him and his father. like hell no. there is absolutely no excuse for what he did.
That scene where the older sister of a victim loses it in court. Makes me cry. Amazing portrayal. I saw that first time in the news. Like the day that it actually happened. Strange to think about it.
I saw the Twitter threads of people fangirling over him. It breaks my heart and I know it is a slap in the face of the families who suffered at his hands. There is no hope for humanity.
I actually know a guy who worked with Jeffery at the chocolate factory delivering chocolate. He said he scared the shit out of everyone at the company. He told me about this show today and I asked if wanted to watch it. He said no. He also told me that Jeffery was actually mostly a forklift driver. Subscribed. You guys are awesome.
Dude - I grew up 20 miles away and remember lying in the couch with my high school girlfriend when the news story broke. I distinctly remember the images of the guys in the hazmat suits bringing out the barrel. It was also interesting because my step-dad’s ex-wife was a little girl and Ed Gein used to play with the curls in her hair.
As far as I've read, he became the head of the police union, not the police chief. Still ridiculous that they were hired back at all much less maintained enough support for one to be voted to head the union.
That's true, but I'm glad they changed that in the series because it's a lie. His parents did deeply affect his mental state, between his father's unhealthy obsession with roadkill and his mother's lack of affection and abandonment from his parents. He was simply a product of his environment.
@@Starlightclod thats not true. Many people have divorces that are far worse including when force is applied etc and still children dont turn into a serial killer. His parents while had issues it was not horrible scenario. Factually Jeff has not had any abuse towards himself. So this was not parent issue. I also strongly disagree about enviroment. He had relatively calm and normal life. He was not raised in streets of detroit. This man was not product of enviroment, but truly incarnation of true evil and absolute terror. He did it because he really wanted it and couldnt stop himself from doing it. When he says urge of doing it. He speaks his mind. Jeff actually said he didnt know what started it. But imo opinion he had it within himself from the time he could have fantasies about it. Lets be honest we all have our share of dark and terrible fantasies in our deep fantasies. But we all can realise that its wrong and terrible and thats why we dont do it. He actually could analyse and unserstand it too but still did it anyway. Not because he was insane, but he was actually pretty sane but evil and deranged enough to do it anyway. I believe that his first kill was a teigger point. I strongly believe that his first kill was probably a accident. He hit on the victims head our of angriness but i doubt with intent to kill. However when the victim died i assume he probably panicked to hell thinking he was going to be caught. But then collected himself and thought about getting rid of the corpse. But then he probably had some kind of sexual act with corpse. But i strongly believe that this incident made him realise the pleasure of pure dominance, feeling like a god, feeling like he is in control of other peoples lives made the urge of this acts stronger. However he most likely stopped for nine years because he still realised he might not be lucky second time and will get caught. So he avoided this acts. Instead what he tried instead of killing victims he would just drugg them do his sexual acts and leave it that way. While dahmer always said that he just drugged them and had sexual acts with them. Im highly inclined that this was a lie. I think he probably sadistically abused drugged bodies but didnt kill or harm them badly. Until the case in hotel room. When ge didnt get caught second time he probably lived trough so much pleasure that he probably realised he is not getting caught so why not try again with same method. Necrophilia etc was probably part of his fantasies in that those people were totaly under his control and he could do anything to them. This is why he often kept bodies for a while. I strongly believe that not his enviroment nor his rising had an affect on him. I think he was just pure evil incarnate and did this stuff out of pleasure. Most people can control their dark fantasies and keep themselves under control. I can guarantee that every male on this planet has fantasies of dominance over women, doing whatever they want, however they want. But we realise that this would have clnsequenses on our image, our families, risking the law and inprisonment and we dont do this out of guilt and shame. If no hindering factors would be present. I guarantee that the forced sexual act would be trough the roof. We also realise that this stuff are sadistic and would traumatise the victims and this just weirds, creeps and stops us. Dahmer was different. He fully realised those are terrible stuff, but did it anyway because he loved the feeling and complex of a god. I assume the moment he was torturing his victims, when they were begging for mercy gave him the most pleasure he experienced. Dude was totaly sane but incredibly evil and psychotic
I found it kinda eye opening one of these 70' 80' 90' serial killers would actually take accountability for his wrongs ,not that it erases his past wrongs, but it says something to his character imo 🤔
But at the same time I feel he was selfish ,and knew his environment the society in whole and played that to his advantage 🤔 court footage gives more insight imo
When truth is worse than what is the show: In real life, Dahmer NEVER wore his glasses through the whole trial. Why? So he wouldn't have to see angry shameful faces at him.
@@taniishaa777 Right, and she explicitly said she was leaving and that Jeffrey could fend for himself at 17. Jeffrey's father then made a conscious decision not check in to make sure she had in fact stayed. Instead he deliberately and selfishly let it be. He always made sure to take the easiest route with raising Jeffrey, always skirting the responsibility for everything. having to do with his family. He provided a home and money, and that's about it. The only reason he started bond with Jeffrey over roadkill was because it was a shared interest. You don't wait for children to show healthy interest in things. as a parent, it is your responsibility to introduce them to the world.
An involved father would still see their kid in 3 months though. She got custody, but he still had full rights to visitation and chose not to show up for a full summer
I had nightmares watching the show. I've seen some true crime shows before but this series just hits a raw nerve. I certainly preferred the episodes during and after the trial just because those murder scenes were hard to watch.
I think a lot of people have a misunderstanding of what being in a psychiatric hospital means, it isn’t easier than prison. Like prison they’re being detained there, they have responsibilities and things they’re expected to due (some things which you wouldn’t have to necessarily do in prison; mandatory therapy .etc.) it’s simply a more appropriate place to to detain people who have committed crimes with diminished responsibility due to mental illness, or are too mentally ill to be detained in a regular prison (obviously there are also people who have never committed any serious crimes who are detained under laws regarding mental health, this is simply referring to criminals vs criminals who are have been deemed to have had diminished responsibility. Though it’s also important to recognise that “Insane” isn’t a medical term, but a legal one, the determination of which is still based on psychiatric assessment)
re-watching today and seeing how manipulative Dahmer was throughout his reign of terror, it reminds of many serial killers. He's manipulative so we can never be sure he was genuine in what he was saying. He basically says what people want to hear.
I feel really bad for Lionel Dahmer and the victims' families.. i was almost crying everytime Lionel started to blame on himself 😭 They don't deserve to be dragged in this situation in the first place.
Zach villa would play a better Richard ramirez. He looks a lot like him and is an actor from ahs who has worked with Evan Peters and Ryan Murphy who’s the producer of the ahs series.
They Need To Keep This Monster Series Goin, John Wayne Gacy, Ed Gain & Ya Richard Ramirez Too That's Like What 3 More Seasons So Far If They Keep Goin With This
Right! Dahmer had a hernia operation I think at 4 years old that Lionel said afterwards Jeffery was not the same. I wonder if the anesthesia affected his brain? Like too much or little, etc?
honestly i found this channel bc of the dahmer series……i’m now a big fan of you guys and i can’t wait to see more from you guys in the future, keep grinding 🔥🫶🏾
The depth and complexity of his macabre depravity is so unsettling. What may be even more unsettling... Ed Gein, Dahmer, Israel Keys, etc... there's so many more out there. Walking silently among us.
One last comment..I understand the father writing a book. It was helping him while he was writing it..psychiatrist used to tell people to write their feelings down in journals.
There is no helping psychopaths like Dahmer. He is without reason, logic or empathy for life. He was a soulless monster, and got karma as he deserved. If I had a child who grew up and committed crimes like this, I could never look at him again. At that point, he would be dead to me. I could not in good conscience pretend what he did would be forgiven.
Disclaimer: I havent watched any of the full show, just these reviews and a few other clips. Just wanted to clarify that I'm not leaving out the actors who all made victim impact statements. I'll be taking that in when I watch the show itself, but I had to mention this one thing. The actors playing dad, step-mom and mom, during those screaming fights. JFC those were intense, and I don't say that type of thing lightly. Normally, I'm a live theatre person (or used to be anyway), and the place that that stuff comes from. Forgive the phrase, but that's what I've long called wearing a character like a skin suit. That kind of performance is EXHAUSTING, but GD is it effective. It takes a lot to blow me away. But those people in those scenes SMDH my hat goes off to them.
My Husband hates that I like watching True Crime shows, but I watched Dahmer, because it baffles me that someone's mind can take them to a whole different level...I couldn't dismember a body no matter what...And, I couldn't eat someone, even if I was stranded in the wilderness, with no food. Some people that are interested in organs, become high-paying surgeons. I wonder why he never thought of doing that...Guess, because he was awful at math and school in general. The justice system is horrible, and they are wrong for even letting him receive fan mail. I remember when these murders happened, and I couldn't even fathom the severity of it. I was only 11. Awful things become more acceptable and more common, as the years go by. The world is becoming desensitized to horrors...It's pretty sad. The actors in this show, did an amazing job though. Evan Peters deserves an Emmy. My heart goes out to the victims and their families. I really enjoy your reactions.
I watched an interview with his parents and he said he didn't know his son was collecting road kill. Also Tracy Edwards testified in court he was straight when asked the show depicts him as gay I don't know why they changed that. I also found out Tracy Edwards ended up killing a man. He and another man threw a third man off a bridge and that man drowned.
I subbed after watching a few of ur reviews because you have respect for the victims and their families & don't try to glorify this individual or joke all the damn time throughout series ,I love to laugh but there's a time and place . Thank 😊 u
I’ve never been more convinced that some murders turn out the way they do based off their home situation. Like we can obviously see that in this case. Not saying that this Is an excuse to Jeffery’s actions. Because My heart breaks for the victims and literally makes me bawl my eyes out. However, I do feel bad for Jeffery on some level. Not saying I like him or that he didn’t deserve to go to jail. Because he does what he did is unforgivable. I think if this case was told correctly the first time it came out the victim’s families wouldn’t have to relive the trauma.
Some fantastic acting throughout the series. Nigel Gibbs who plays Jessie Jackson is superb. I just get angrier and angrier with the racist police in this series.
DaShawn Barnes, the actress that played Rita Isbell, did a great job, but I feel like the show should have used the real footage of Isbell's impact statement for that scene. It feels weird watching someone re-enact that very real display of pain when the real footage exists.
Am I the only one that cringed at Rita Isabel’s actress giving the testimony? Like I can tell she’s a good actress and she had a lot of power put into that scene but at the same time you can tell that she’s mimicking someone. Especially when that testimony was the only time she was emotional but straight faced right afterwards.
Please reaction the the Netflix series MINDHUNTER! If neither of you have seen it. Trust me it’s one of the best shows from Netflix. If you two like Dahmer Monster then you’ll definitely like Mindhunter
The definition of someone being declared insane it’s really weird so you’re telling me it’s a sane person who would kill people experiments on them and eat them. That’s the sane person. lmao.
Yeah. There's a pretty big gap between being mentally ill and being legally insane. Though even if he'd been found not guilty by reason of insanity, it seems likely he'd have been in a secure hospital setting for the rest of his life. Though it obviously doesn't apply here (given the life sentences without parole), there are people who have been found not guilty by reason of insanity who spent more time in a mental health facility than their max potential sentence had they been convicted. It's not the "get out of jail free" card it's sometimes portray as (though it wasn't here).
Of course he isn't mentally well, but legal insanity doesn't ask that. It asks did you know what you were doing at the time, and were you capable in that moment of knowing you were doing something wrong? If he knew what he was doing and knew it was wrong, then he's not legally insane no matter what else he did to the victims and their bodies
I really don't understand why make up so many events. Glenda never lived next to him...She lived in the next building! Obviously the sandwich scene never really happened. Her daughter never got arrested for assaulting a white dude taking pictures. Those two officers never got that award and he scene with police officers calling the Asian boy's family is made up too. The black man who helped Glenda carry her bag up the stairs was never killed by Dahmer. His body was found in his own apartment. Yes, he was strangled but Dahmer denied killing him and did not deny killing the others. Why would he do that? There is more scenes like that. Vast majority of the show is true, but some are created just to make police look even worse then they already were...What for? Everybody knows they fucked up. Copied this statement from a site
@@tobygimez7948 problem is this is causing discourse that’s not needed. Showing Jesse Jackson in a good light, vilifying the police, making them all look terrible when that was never true. When you go to a persons house for a complaint and there’s nothing you can do and the next day or week you find out the same person did something horrible you feel guilt. That’s probably how they felt. His appearance and occurrences didn’t scream serial killer and once he was found to be one they feel fucking horrible they couldn’t do something sooner. The blame game goes down each person chewing them up inside
@@Eon233 Just because they mage Glenda an amalgamation of a bunch of characters doesn't mean a lot of this isn't true. In spite of this, how shitty those police officers were, hell, the way all police officers are when the "less dead" minorities are murdered, isn't accurate. Also, Jesse Jackson isn't MLK, but he has done an awful lot of good in this world. This is a close to the truth as one can expect from a tv show
@@kyraspikes7542 well I can see your point but however like I said before your statements don’t hold true this is just a show based on true events . This is like any other type of movie that came from serial killers or real life traumatic events. It’s very loosely based, as a viewer we should never be comparing real life events to a show. It’s like the crown on Netflix; it shows part of the truth but not accurate displays of what happened .
@@justbeyondmythoughts Sooo I see you made it a point to cape for this serial killing pedophile to the point of calling people dumb over his living situation. Sick..
@@justbeyondmythoughts Sure didn't because all of Dahmer's crazy shit was in an attempt not embarrass his family. Of course that all went out the window when he finally started getting the attention he always wanted by getting caught. By confessing to most of his crimes but denying any family culpability in his actions, he kind of finally got the support he always wanted from his father in the end. He literally got to have his cake and eat it too.
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Mental health can be inherited. My mum and gran have the same mental health as me, it just got worse with each generation. Which is why I'm never having biological children. Not subjecting them to BPD even if it can be managed.
I didn't realise the dad was in step brothers. I actually prefer watching these clips done the show. I'm glad I watched the show when he killed the deaf guy that got to me big time 😟😭 I felt like that guy could of shown Jeffrey a new love of life & those police men DISGUSTING.
I don’t know how accurately Jeff’s parents are portrayed by this show. And I know you guys are more on the nature side rather than nurture. But IF (big if) this is what Jeff’s parents were like then in my opinion they fucked him up. Like, they really were the worst parents.
This making of Jesse Jackson in a good light and making the police look like racist pieces of shit and zooming in on the black cop when they returned is just disgusting. This beautification and disillusion of reality in this show is disheartening to say the least
I'm glad they didn't show the entire vulgarity of him killing people. But I kind of hate the fact that they didn't bother to ask the families about making this series. I know some family members who are still alive hate this series and hate their portails.
I feel like it can be helped depending upon the situation. I know of someone who had a terrible upbringing. Confessed to me later in life they had suicidal and homicidal thoughts (directed towards their abusers, but still homicidal thoughts) in relatively early childhood. However, they had a good support system outside of that situation which helped pull them out of that spiraling mindset. I feel like if intervention is done, some people can be saved from devolving into destructive behavior. Life is extremely nuanced, just as human behavior is. I feel like Jeffery was both a product of his upbringing (trauma that lead to severe abandonment issues and lack of ability to truly empathize and care about others) and had the genetic disposition towards mental illness (borderline personality disorder and psychopathy). It goes without saying that having these things does not make one a monster-obviously, even statistically speaking people with mental illness are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators-but there is that small percentage that do end up doing truly heinous things motivated by their illnesses (often seen in cases where there is no diagnosis and/or correct treatment to help them deal with these disorders).
@@MunkeeFWRrng I see what you're saying but still I think having homicidal thoughts directed at people who've harmed you in the past is understandable. Not having uncontrollable urges to cutt up a person and eat them because he wanted them to forever be apart of them. I mean that's pretty warped
Lmaoo trust me I never watch any movie or show no matter how much overrated they are. But when I do it's bcoz the show effing deserves it. And Evans peter did a great job do gi e it a try and research on real events as well show is little dramatized
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