The Book of Jubilees: Proof The The Bible Was Being Rewritten Around The Time of Jesus 

I used to be a Creationist and even worked for Answers in Genesis for a few years. It's crazy to me how many of their ideas about Genesis are ripped straight out of Jubilees, but they'd deny it to their graves.

Among the 900 or so texts of the Dead Sea Scrolls is the Book of Jubilees, a second- century retelling of Genesis and the first part of Exodus. Originally written in Hebrew, approximately 15 copies of the "Book of Jubilees" were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Ethiopian here!!!! I'm a fan of your channel and to see my country getting a shout-out in your channel... Is fascinating

Millenia before Jubilees & Genesis (Old Testament) was the Sumerian Myth of Enki & Ninhursaja, which includes a Garden Paradise, Enki being convinced by Isimud (the Two-Faced God) to eat the Forbidden Plant, a Goddess (Ninti) born from his Enki’s Rib, & many other correlative parallels.

Derek, This is one of the most brilliantly academic presentations done by Mythvision yet. The MV Team (shout out to Neal) and the scholarship just keeps getting better and better. This content was just an amazing revelation of historical thought at that time. There is too much to comment on. I just have to watch it a second time to really absorb all the information and thought provoking ideas. I really don't think a lot of university courses are like this...exciting, "free wheeling", "mature" and something one wants to continue to learn more about after enjoying it the first time. Best regards and just keep going !

Mongors humility and honesty is appreciated here. This seems like an area of lack of knowledge for many of us and that makes this exciting to see. A nudge to bring him back and talk about interconnections with Enoch and if Jubiless was used in the NT as it was clear that the Essenes had an interest here that was deep as it was with Enoch. Great interview!

This Bible passage seems to be coming more and more true every day! For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Tim:4

Derek is doing a superb job bringing to everyone in the world interested in the field the best available and highly quality scholarship of the moment. Congrats!

Thank you, both! There's one more thing to add: The idea of mentioning the exact date of each story is meaningful. The book of jubilees places the sacrifice of Isaac on the 14th day of Nissan, which is the day of Passover. It thus connects the story with the second temple Passover celebration. It also mentions the name of the mountain, and calls it Mount Zion, connecting the story with the temple itself.

One of the best presentations ever! Love dr. Monger, can't wait for the live stream!

Mr Derek has a box labeled “geniuses”. He pulls these guys out of the hat and we got videos 24/7! I can’t keep up! Excellent show. These guests are so educated and intelligent that I have to watch twice to “get it”!

You’re channel has become a firestorm. It’s heat/popularity is creating the wind to stoke the flames that create more wind.

It shows apologetics goes way way back! Fascinating.

Super fun episode! Dr. Monger's research sounds fascinating and incredibly challenging. How he was able to remix (for lack of a better term) and reconstruct bits and pieces that other scholars had dismissed and make them fit the extant fragments well is especially important work: he's not only reemphasizing how much we don't know but his work cautions us to reexamine and question what we thought we were fairly certain of. He was a great guest and I'd love to see him on the show again to discuss his own research, Jubilees, DSS, or just biblical research generally. There were so many interesting topics that y'all just brushed on or didn't have time to fully discuss and I think y'all have a good rapport that would lend itself well to further discussions.

I appreciate each episode you produce. I have now come out of evangelical christianity. It has taken about 7 years to finally.. just be free. All your guest lay it bare and all information comes with receipts! Plan to use all the great information to build my library and knowledge to give a reason NOT to believe. Keeping it 💯!!

I understood that when God separated the light from darkness, the light was order and the darkness was chaos. Therefore God separated the chaos (darkness) from the light (order). 36:18

I've really seen you grow over the course of your project. Keep up the good work.

As a Brit can I commend you on your perfect timing for this video's release!

I am so pleased that Matt Monger is finally featured on MVP. An excellent stream, as always.

Derek - you do a really good job on this channel. It's clear you put a lot of thought and work into it. It shows. Even the little things... like how you hierarchically arrange the video tiles and the document facsimiles at about 10:00 Also, I like how you keep things light and accessible (sometimes with self-effacing comments at 10:45 ha ha ). It's also beautiful how your guest responds to your comment at that time stamp. You guys are great and this video is one of your best. Man, this channel has really developed over the past 4 + years. Boy o boy. God bless you dude....

Fantastic. Derrick, you have a fantastic channel. It is one of my favorites for sure. I have learned tons just by watching your channel. Your content and presentation is outstanding🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Bloody brilliant! More please!

Extremely interesting, it would be cool to have someone talk about the parallels between Islam and Jubilees.

Good stuff! I hope you will do at least one or two follow-ups. You could do an entire follow-up episode just to explore the main point, which was touched on too briefly at the very end, and remains somewhat unclear to me.

The scholar Margaret Barker believed that the solar calendar was used in the First Temple in Jerusalem, before the Babylonian lunar months were brought in, so all the apocalytic groups which believed the Second Temple was imperfect or corrupt used a solar calendar as they were preserving traditions from the First Temple. This includes the DSS community.

Yeah, that was good. (And released during QE2's Platinum Jubilee) So well produced and the guest was brilliantly clear over such an opaque issue of which the Bible(s) is/are created. Definately a significant topic for Myth Busters...

MVP should cover more books of the Orthodox Tewahedo biblical canon. It seems to be the direcrtor's cut of all biblical canons. So much bonus material. A lecture about Meqabyan 1-3 would be great.

This is a fascinating text, but I don’t see how it challenges OT textual stability. This is a Midrash commentary on Genesis. Since Genesis is an untouchable text, the author had to find the gaps in the Genesis narrative and fill them in with Jubilees to fit their theological understanding. Something similar was done thorough the Middle Ages, some of these scenes even reminded me of some of Rabbi Shlomo’s commentary. This to me is like saying that since there are Study Bibles in the present that the Bible is still unstable.

Back when I was a Christian, I was a strong Creationist even when I had trouble reconciling historical and scientific evidence with the biblical account. I have now became a Deist. I still believe in God and miracles but I also now believe that no religion holds a monopoly on them.

The Carthaginians were chucking their kids on the fire. A sacrifice in progress, knife to the heart, was found in Tunisia. It was buried during an earthquake. The victim was a young adult.

When will you do a video on the books of Enoch?

This is one of the very interesting topics . I'd like to learn more. I believe the real truth about the biblical history is not revealed. Keep going.

"Mongor only pawn in game of life!" . . . "Candygram for Mongor!" . . . [Sorry, I couldn't help myself!]

Nit picking I know, but the DSS were written certainly no later than 60 CE. There's no need to add 40 years when Titus had it all recorded it in triplicate & Josephus Flavius immortalised the events in his book.

There was a rabbi that was telling people if they read Jubilees or Enoch they would go to hell, it’s in some rabic writing I don’t remember specifically.

The sacrifice of Issac story. If the Mosaic Law was a shadow of the heavenly tablets, and it says that the firstborn male belongs to the Lord, how does Abraham send his firstborn son away without commiting a terrible slight against God? And then offer the second son, as if it wouldn't matter-- whereas in Acts people are struck dead for their offering!

Anyone notice that the orchestral version of “you know, pump it up, you’ve got to pump it up” starts playing at 0:57? Lolol

Thanks

At 58.44 mins why did they hide the word that they couldn't translate I find that odd? Every other word was presented on screen but not the one they couldn't translate

I wonder (what with the dates) if this might have anything to do with the same crowd that brought us Daniel. If there is any theological stuff between the two books. A most interesting show. Every time!

42:00 isn't this why religion was invented - "you are being watched 24/7 so don't steal"? followed by "i stole and nothing happened" - "you will pay, but in the afterlife" and then it's just filling plot hole after plot hole until you have 66 books of fantasy.

Yes Derek has one of the best shows on RU-vid.

it is possible some documents later were modified to "not support other traditions"

Ethiopic Semitic Philology?….and I was just here to watch a video of a Beaver who has a favorite blanket!

Lol just finished the video and so glad you bring up the other religions ❤

I am glad you got him back so quickly

Great presentation

Maybe some understanding of this creation contradiction. The enuma Elish, we tend to think, was an early story. But in the timeline of the ancient near east, as per the Babylonian creation myths, was actually quite late (no earlier than the 10th century bce). During the time before Hammurabi, Babylon was an unimportant village and marduk was all but an unknown god, sometimes syncretized with Enki. Babylon may have been a satellite city, like Beth Lahmu (Bethlehem) of Eriduan settlers. There is no concise Enuma Elish at this time or anytime before the late bronze age collapse, the dynastic babylonian families followed traditional gods pf Akkad and Sumer. There was an earlier story, the eridu genesis story that appears in part in the story of gilgamesh, and looking around the world for comparisons, that story was earlier (18th to 20th c BCE) than any other creation story. But even that pales in comparison to the Sumerian Kings list that appears to document a written history kept by the priests of Eridu and that date the flood back to between 2800 and 3000 BCE and a mysterious antediluvian period of 7 lugal with insane lifespans. In some of these stories there is a motif, something like an elemental goddess of saltwater, akin to tiamat, from which "good waters", Apsu, is extracted. The salt water diety would be the counterpart of the mother earth goddess. There are certain contradiction over the chronology of god beings. For one Eridu, the home of Apsu (killed by Enki), was settled 1200 years before Uruks first village rose, but it was abandoned and later reoccupied. But the Uruk diety, Anu, is born of these primordial gods, and Enki his son. While other stories has Enki and Ninhursag as the father of Anu. Probably at some point Enki and Apsu are conflations or different understanding of the same creation god, one version is "stupid" while the other is "wise". So given the age of the Shurrupak flood and the timing of civil writing we can imagine these are earlier evolving myths about creation that were never formalized and understood differently in different city states and at different times. So now to deal with the Levant. So here are some basic historical modes. Again there is the suggestion of an Enki cult that has some familiarity with the red sea, but we have no idea how old this cult is or whether its the red sea or just the western sea. This cult seems to be connected to Beth Lahmu, Yah cults of Arabia, mystic sages, familiar with volcanoes (Africa). There is also the familiarity of the Martu to sumerians, originally from the region near the mediterranean north of tyre/sidon. Formally the invasion of the northern levant in the 25th c BCE tells of a political authority of Sumerian origin, quickly replaced by a Akkadian authority and explaning the link between NW semetic and Akkadian as the seed for most of the semetic languages in the west. So again by the 25th c BCE there is a potential mesopotamian source for levantine creation stories. We also know that only a fraction of Jews were carried into exile. This means existing creation stories of the levant can persist until the end of exile, and can play into the two Jewish creation myths. But lets imagine the various tracts. So we know some of ancient Israelite culture is derive from Mesopotamia. We have a tract of culture that is borrowing from late neoassyrian/babylonian. We know from the dead sea scroll there is a cluster of Jewish sages living near medina, and we also know there are both greek and egyptian influences (bidirectional) on the Jews after babylonian exile. So we should imagine that depending on the area one is raised in there are different stories, weighed on various influential cultures. Summary. Mesopotamian culture did not have a fixed or global understanding of creation as might appear from the Enuma Elish, which is late and foundational in the shortlived neobabylonian Empire. At different times and for different reasons mesopotamian culture spread into the levant, probably along different paths. The foundational myths kept by Jahwist in the region (including arabia) are therefore expected to differ. One of the early (2 and 3rd millenium BCE) differences, the type of gods, the primacy of gods and the role of the waters in creation differed between mesopotamian myths. The bible deflates gods of mesopotamian into angels and spirits, eventually conflating gods with the power of Yahweh.

According to Merriam-Webster, both of your pronunciations of "palimpsest" are correct.

So much of _The Book of Jubilees_ helps to explain so many Islamic traditions and _Quran_ !

Seems to me that Satan the tester comes from the Persian occupation, from the Zoroastrian religion and didnt exist before that. What about the idea of Jubilee having to do with forgiveness of debt.

the bible was being altered starting during the exile in babylon because the children of Israel rejected the religion and the God of the tanach and torah in favor of paganism and they substituted the talmud for the torah and only retained the torah for propaganda purposes. The book of jubilees was eliminated because it confirms the solar calendar of the book of enoch. and the talmudic jews abandoned the solar calendar because they worship saturn/remphan and changed their sabbath to saturday (saturn's day) in order to worship saturn/satan.

Super cool! Thank you!

Good discussion! It begs the question: what in the world did Paul mean by ‘scripture’? Maybe he was among the first to believe in an immutable canon. How can we be sure?

Also the tablet mentioned before 43 minutes in isn’t a record specifically for angels to know what you’re doing or going to do. It’s the record Allah wrote of everything that will happen and it also contains all of the revelations He sent down to mankind.

and satan said to Eve, "Did God really say?"

I am not a scholar, nor highly educated. But this is clear and concise and easy to understand. It’s good to see and challenge my heavily religious upbringing where I was only indoctrinated as bible is infallible and never explored history and even entertained the idea it as copied from other sources.

Anyone think it's possible that the Essenes created Jubilees? It addresses all the concerns they had - namely obedience to the law and observance of religious festivals on the properly ordained TIMES (therefore the need of a solar calendar).

Brilliant!!!

Dr. Moger is amazing

wow, thanks Dr. Monger

They had to constantly refine things. Error and corruption snuck in a lot. This was before printing presses and going back further was oral tradition only... but if you have prophets, you can fix things that are broken while the people progress. Without vision the people perish because conditions change and a static book alone is a tough way to go frought with issues as people interpret and misinterpret and if there are errors, omissions, modifications thay creep in... not all of them would always be wrong maybe though usually entropy seems to go toward disorder and messiness. It explains a lot.

So why would the Ten Commandments need to be given to Moses if there were already these laws in heaven and people new about them according to Jubilee’s?

Fantastic video!

This interview kicks butt!! Damn….

Ive never heard of the book of jubilees . What is it exactly? Was it written before or after the bible was supposedly written?

OMNI PRESENCE

Love this

Fantastic. Thank u

52:00 Is Job really supposed to be better than Abraham & Isaac? Sure, I see how they might think they were downplaying God's part in it, but according to the story he _was_ allowing it all to happen. And a _lot_ of people are killed in that story. I can see how nobody would have cared about the servants but what about Job's children?

Samaritan pentateuch, The Septuagint differences, and Philo of Alexandria are the things that come to mind in this conversation (textual flexibility and Helinistic influance). I don't think that the kind of criticisms of Torah found here in the book of jubilees are necessarily a result of Helinistic contact (outside pressures) but can be a result of internal development, like - once you have a generation that can look at all this stuff - Job starts to influence the reading of Genesis etc. I don't feel like this kind of stuff is written for an audience of people outside the tradition (Greeks). How is this text important, or used, in the Ethiopian Church?

I need to read the book of jubilees

That moment when you discover the bible is a living document; not written in stone. [Gravedigger 1] "There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are in all your theosophies, Horatio!" [Gravedigger 2] "Stop calling me Horatio. My name is Biggus Dickus." [Stifled laughter from the crowd]

Ethiopia also was isolated enough to have some interesting earlier Jewish traditions among their Jewish community.

great information

There is no contradictions in Jubilees compared to the book of Genesis.

Mastema (משטמה) means intense hatred or loathing in Hebrew. (Min 47:00 in video).

There is a lot of fallacious reasoning going on here. The author of a book not in the Bible says the Bible is wrong and so therefore the Bible is wrong?

more fascinating insights into “holy” scriptures.

Jubilees Chapter 4 verses 16-26

What does everyone think of the gnostic texts. Are their any historical facts in these texts that can be added on top of the canonized version to add to the tale to make it more understandable and maybe even find connections in the texts that were previously unrelated? Im pretty sure those books and scrolls that were removed were done so as a control mechanism to deny the common person truth that could in fact set us all free?

Is it true that the Sumerian Texts were now found to be older than the Torah and that the Torah does in fact have some ideas from these texts? Including the book of Genesis

If man was made in rhe sixth day....then who witnessed the creation?

Excellent video

I would encourage anyone who is watching this to read through Jubilees for yourself before just taking another persons opinion. Saying "the Author of Jubilees reads Genesis and rewrites it" is an assumption. It is not helpful to get people to read the book. You can say in your opinion the author read Genesis and then rewrites it. Stating it as fact if it is an opinion when you are an authority or can be seen as a authority in the field can be seen as disingenuous. You lose respect and credibility from people who have read and studied out the text. If we are being completely honest with ourselves, we can read the Masoretic texts and find many discrepancies there with the LXX. The Masoretic text was not the Original Hebrew, as you may well know. So who is to say that the account given in Jubilees and in Enoch (Which both follow the 364 day solar Calendar) is not accurate, and the modern day bible (The Old Testament of which is mainly translated from the Masoretic Texts) is? You mentioned that Jubilees claims that the Calandar in Genesis is wrong. Perhaps Jubilees Calendar is right and the Masoretic is wrong. In fact the LXX Translation agrees with the 364 Calendar. The problem lies that most people aren't able to read Greek, so when you read the Interlinear LXX words like month is translate as new moon. So most people assume the Calendar in the LXX and Masoretic are the same. Not the case. Even when reading the different accounts of the Last Supper (Passover) we see that 2 different calendars were being used at the time (Compare the events in John when he references the Pharisees Calendar vs Matthew were he is referencing the Calendar that they were using, The days do not align.)

I have deduced that the prophet Daniel probably relied on the Book of Jubilees and the teachings of Enoch, which were compiled around the 3rd or 2nd century BCE. The most probable reason for compiling Enoch and writing down the traditions contained in Jubilees - traditions that had probably been passed down orally for thousands of years - would have been to serve apologetic purposes in the face of the threat the Romans posed in their attempts to make observing the calendar of Enoch illegal. The "Book of Life" mentioned in Daniel 12 is first mentioned in tbe Book of Enoch. So both Daniel and Revelation are based on Enoch and the calendar it describes. I also figured out that the reference to 1335 days is intended to signify the year of the global flood as specified in the Book of Jubilees. "19. And he commanded Noah to build an ark for himself that he might save him from the water of the flood. 20. And Noah made an ark in every thing as he had commanded him in the [twenty-seventh] jubilee, in the fifth week, in the fifth year. 21. And he entered on the sixth [year] thereof, in the second month, in the new moon of the second month until the sixteenth thereof he entered and all that we brought to him into the ark, and the Lord locked it from without on the seventeenth, at eve. 22. And the Lord opened seven flood-gates of heaven and the mouths of the fountains of the great deep, seven mouths in number." (Jubilees 5:19-21, Schodde translation) (26 * 50) + (7 * 4) + 6 = 1334 So if Creation was in Year 1, then the Flood was from Years 1335-1336. I am sure that Daniel's first audiences would have known what that number represents, just as Americans would know what you are talking about if you mentioned 1776 or 1812. When hearing the mention of 1335, Daniel's contemporaries would ha e known that Daniel is prophesying of another event in which the righteous are preserved while the wicked are removed. I believe the count down for these 1335 days began on August 13, 2020, which is the day the Abraham Accords was announced by Trump. I thus believe that the abomination of desolation will occur on April 9-10, 2024. Interestingly, 45 days after August 13, 2020 will be September 27, 2020, which happens to be the date that all public religious worship was banned due to the fact Coronavirus lockdown on Israel began on Yom Kippur. So if we adopt the assumption that the "taking away" of the regular religious offerings prophesied by Daniel occurred on September 27, 2020, we can find that adding 1290 days to that date will result in the same date when I project there to be the prophesied "abominatiom of desolation". Interestingly, this is the date that is known as Radunitsa, which is referred to as "Easter for the Dead", a holiday celebrated by wven Jews in Belarus. This holiday celebrates "the inevitable power of death". I do not think it is fair to say that Jubilees or Enoch were altered. Rather, it seems that parts of rhe Bible that had been reliant on Enoch and Jublees were altered either before or after the period of captivity in Babylon and Assyria.

Great

His summary at the end explaining the implication of the text has laser-like incisive relevance.

This guy has all those degrees and speaks English perfectly. Angel snitches:(

He see all and know all

Brilliant...

So to make Yahweh supreme, were all other gods in the pantheon recast as angels, with Shaitan, who was also a god AFAIK, thereby becoming a (fallen) angel? That would be an interesting dirty trick to bump up Yahweh and knock down the others.

Why are there still so many theories, and people still arguing about what the bible says? Hmmmmm Yeah, that sounds like what an almighty perfect being would leave us. 🙄🤔

His Jubilees quote from 2:3 should be 2:2.

Christianity and Islam and slavery go hand in hand they all prophetically is devastating to the seeds of Israel those religions were used to put a burden on the children of Israel and make them lose their identity.

To have some much knowledge, and yet let understanding.

This was my first time watching your channel. I assumed since it was about Jubilees and the Bible, you were a believer in Torah and יהרה. @35:37 You’re saying you don’t believe. Is this accurate? Please and thank you.

Fact: Aethiopians of the Greeks were not some admixed people living in Abyssinia... as seen in Herodotus map, and in the Illiad and Odyssea Also: Moses was a " thunder interpreter" at Sinai... read it... god spoke in thunder... and he came down with horns ( google image it, people knew this..)

I hate to point out the obvious, but the premise of your title is totally unfounded. Finding a copy of Jubilees penned in the 1st century is only proof that scribes were recording copies or translations at that late date on the current media, not of original authorship. They could well have been working from much earlier copies or originals to supply new congregations or arm missionaries with, or simply replace what might have been decaying papyrus, for all we know. I'm really saddened to see so many so-called scholars motivated by partisanship or desire for notoriety to make controversial claims they can't back up with more than conjecture to score points against their perceived enemies in a spiritual battle where the adversary is just sitting back, watching the faithful of all faiths attack each other and drive more folks away from any religious faith and into the arms of nihilist atheism or new age pop pied pipers that sell one click subscriber salvation and easy enlightenment by profiteering from dark clouds of doubt.

How do we know Moses didnt stumble upon some tablets, hidden away in a cave on the mount, kind of Like they found the Dead Sea Scrolls? Did Moses carve them himself? ...