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Cap also could read the phone book and I’d listen

He could read a dictionary and it would sound like a brilliant lecture

He read the Cossack's reply to the Sultan and thanks to his foul-mouthed roles he was known for before The Doctor, he got a great laugh.

@@austinmorrison6953 What's a phone book?

@@ihateunicorns867 its a book that contains household phone numbers. not used now a days since there isnt much landline phones left

The video tells you to go to Google. Google tells you to go to the video. Who really referenced first?

Then who's idea was it to google it?

@@brandonchan5387 The Doctor's?

Who else is here because of Dark?

@Gravestone999 Okay, but imagine this episode would be set before it was written, say in 2005. Imagine the Doctor, in this scene, with the TARDIS sitting in 2005: If you had a time machine, you could go back to 2005 and search the world for the blue box with the 12th Doctor inside. But you wouldn't find it anywhere. Even the companions of previous Doctor's have no idea who you are talking about. The 12th Doctor, and thereby the Paradox inside the Paradox, doesn't exist. Just having some fun here :D

I mean one of the best episodes of the show is him talking to Clara in denial only for him to remember that he's just talking to himself because she's dead.

This and 'Listen' are one of my favorites for this exact reason

@@alecbormia4523 oof that's right

They could have shown more of the lectures he held while he was guarding the vault at the university in series 10. I could listen to Capaldi explaining things as the doctor for hours.

We really need a spin-off where we just see him teaching, as we see him when he meets Bill.

Nice one!

so the ponds name their daughter after their daughter...and the doctor named himself...after himself.

Yeah, bit of inconsistent writing on that one, rather. Let's just assume the word Doctor is Gallifreyan and he brought it to earth.

@@Ser_Salty not really inconsistent just adds to the mystery that is the doctor it'll be the mystery that will never be answered.

rule #1 The Doctor lies.

The richness in that man's voice is Morgan Freeman levels of soothing

Who doesn't?

Yesss

*13

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-symmetry Humans are quantum systems that use energy. These systems create work (art, politics, the world you see around you). Many believe that the world exists in a state of entropy, but human work is the product of Quantum Computers (at this point in time the Earth has 7.6 billion. Once the world realises this these quantum Computers can activate creating Equilibrium, (but not total equilibrium because we need a dash of chaos in the order.

Rule one about the doctor

@@kryten1016 the doctor lies Beethoven is probably a previous doctor

It DID happen, but then he stepped on a butterfly. Poor Pete.

They do have suspiciously similar eyebrows.

6 met him nearing his death.

I could as well

Peter Capaldi had lent his voice to numerous documentaries. Trawlermen comes to mind....

100%. I could also listen to Peter playing Who music for hours

explain things? With that voice I could listen to him read nutritional information and still be enthralled.

Me too!

I just caught the Magpie reference too. Missed it all these years.

It was probably Capaldi's personal instrument, like the guitar itself.

Damn that's clever - a really swish way around the product placement rules for the bbc, too!

Magpie Electricals also has a shop in 'The Beast Below'.

- and it's partly inspired by 'Pye', a real British manufacturer of TVs and such.

I'm still waiting for a The Dreamboys reunion tour because...why not? 🙂

Wait, he was playing for real? I always assumed they just had someone else dub the sound like they do in most shows and movies lol.

@@HOTD108_ Nope. Capaldi is an expert guitar player outside of being an actor. He specifically plays electric guitars.

Just like how Matt Smith found a way to show off his soccer skills in one episode.

@@Spiketrooper didn’t he have a band at one point?

11th has a bowtie

@@atharvadeshpande6907 and a fez, and a Stetson, and also a TARDIS

13th Doctor: IM JUST SHIT

13th Doctor: I have biscuits!

Lol 12 also has the sonic sunglasses!

The time lords only gave him a new cycle because they saw that they needed to give him another cycle in order to save themselves

What he means is in the day of the doctor capaldi was present in the trapping of galifrea the reason the crack existed was because the time lords needed confermation that they could leave the pocket dimension The time lords used the crack to reset the doctors regeneration cycle The first doctor of the regeneration cycle showed up to save galifrea As such a bootstrap paradox

@@jmurray1110 While not relevant; the doctor spent one thousand years in grief and agony for his decision to destroy gallery, he spent billions of years punching through a wall made of diamond just to get there, and we have watched literally 50 years of the doctor trying to get back home. Then, Chibnall became the show runner and managed to destroy Gallifrey in just two seasons and the doctor is no longer gallifreyan. Like, wtf.

@@PD-ws4td Not really. Classic series Doctor didn't really care about Gallifrey. The 5th Doctor was made Lord President and the first thing he did was put someone else in charge and leave. War, 9, 10, and 10-2 electric boogaloo all believe Gallifrey to be destroyed completely and time-locked so they didn't try to go back because they literally couldn't. 11 and 12 did try to go back, though. The main problem here isn't Gallifrey being destroyed again. It's the fact that after 7 seasons of being lonely, depressed, and suffering because of its absence, hating the incarnation that destroyed it to the point he even stopped calling it the Doctor, going so far as to break through the time-lock 13 times to save it, spend thousands of years on Trenzalore defending the crack that linked it to the rest of the universe, and spending 2 seasons as the 12th Doctor unable to locate it and then punching a wall for 4 billion years to get to it (admittedly, before leaving again, but his memories were all tampered with at that time). After all that, the 13th Doctor didn't even blink when Gallifrey was destroyed. She was like "oh, ok, whatever" and LEFT. That is like Luke throwing his lightsaber away. A complete utter disrespect for the character's journey for the past decade and a half.

@@legoworld246 I agree wholeheartedly. What I meant was that 50 years of developing lore was demolished in one single episode.

David McClune the one that was shot.?It would've been reset along with everything else when the tardis exploded.

Mystique the cute blue alien Skye doesn’t really matter. That specific fez, in that version of reality, where did it come from

Its of infinite age

It's like river songs sonic screwdriver it was never made it's therefore a paradox

Kerblam!

Now THAT! is the best bootstrap one i've seen!! that ones perfect! like oh my god!

Giovanni Magnus K9

Or, what if the Doctor uses John Smith because it's a common name, or is John Smith common because the Doctor used it?

This shows precisely why they can't or maybe shouldn't use such paradoxes- why would the TARDIS be blue if this were true?- there would be no reason that it should be blue rather than, say, pink. This is the biggest issue with these paradoxes (self-causing loops)- why do some loops get initiated by their future self and others don't? There would need to be a time-transcendent cause setting these paradoxes into motion.

Did the doctor choose his title because it means wise and healer or does it mean wise and healer because the doctor uses it

Actually that adds on to the characters notice how the 7th doctor doctor had the TV movie card is at the end of his career when he was practically just doing nothing just sitting around waiting for a natural regeneration before he became eight one's Tardis was lived in as well because he was hiding out in it and the 12th doctors Tardis looks lived in because he spends a lot of time reflecting on who he is as a person am I a good man but other doctors have more bear in control rooms because they are constantly adventuring not sitting still enough to let their home collect knick knacks

Don't forget that the TARDIS has other rooms we never see. No reason to assume the Doctor's other incarnations didn't just keep things out of the control room. Put it this way, do you store things in your driver's seat and footwell? Or do you keep them on the passenger seats and in the boot/trunk?

There's a 'carpet-bag' that shows up in a few episodes, it's usually under the console somehow, and what's in there? I hear you ask? Well, it canonically belongs to the comic version of 'Doctor Who' who appeared in children's comics way back in the 1960s. When the TV Movie 'The Doctor' wants to remember 'Doctor Who's adventures with John and Gillian', he will get out that bag and remember. It's been seen most recently in a Doctor Who Magazine comic story. Rather wonderful if you're as old as I am, and read those comics back then.

Yeah, this is what I really dislike about the new Tardis. It looks way too clean. The gamer lights are nice, but that's it.

that's because you got teachers. Capaldi isn't a teacher. he's not there to teach things. he's there to make you enjoy things. Teachers want you to learn (sorry. they want you to pass the tests) but they won't put any extra effort to make you interested on that knowledge. Then, there's people like Capaldi that don't give a rat's fart about you passing any test. they want you to feel interested in what they say. let me give an example. most teenagers wouldn't give two sh*ts about Johann Sebastian Bach and his works. that's too boring. but, get a couple modern songs and show the students that they are "similar". show them that you can find similar things between Bach and Pokemon, lord of the rings, harry potter and, why not, the twilight saga or the MCU. the students will go WTF!!? are you serious? by learning about that guy I will understand better the music of harry potter? and, by the way, it's not a joke. Bach and the opening of the original Pokemon show are related. this is why you didn't learn with those teachers but you learned from Capaldi. one wants you to pass a test, the other wants you to enjoy a good show.

​@@WilliamWizer Bullshit. Teachers can totally make things interesting.

@@lindildeev5721 no. people working as teachers can make things interesting. I have seen a few of them myself. but being a teacher is just their profesion not what they are. the same way that I'm working at a call center but I'm a software developer and I couldn't care less about how to do my job beyond being paid and not getting fired. will I be able to teach my successor? no. no matter how much I know about my job. I won't be able to, properly, teach it to somebody beyond "there's a pdf at the shared folder. read it. if you have doubts as your companions" it has nothing to do with being, or not being, a teacher. you need to care for things to be able to make those things interesting. and, for that, you don't need to be a teacher. you could be the guy at the counter selling hamburgers.

@@lindildeev5721 they can but most don't care to because their job is to get you to pass tests

+Denni Wintyr YES!! EXACTLY!! Blink IS a great example of the Bootstrap Paradox!!

EmeraldKoala2 Please explain. You're talking about the Doctor Who episode?? The original weeping angels

yes, it's all about the scene at the very end when Sally sees the Doctor running and she gives him the full transcript of the "conversation" they already had, so that he can record the video following it so that she can find the record, make a transcription, give it to him .... and so the circle goes around and around. :) and the question is who came up with the original words the Doctor was saying, because it was neither Sally and her friend, because they just wrote down what they had heard in the video, nor the Doctor, because he was just reading the transcription that was given to him ;) I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Another example: Master kills Missy (if *they* are the same person?)

Known Side Of The Internet don't think that really is a paradox though. Missy is the future version of the Master. The Master killing Missy is him killing his future self. It would be a paradox if the Master was the future of Missy and the Master again kills her because that would cancel out his version. Does that make sense?

+Valpas Kankaristo Heaven sent was a masterpiece! Unfortunately, it was probably the only one in series 9...

What anti war speech? You mean the the one about mercy?

+PivotSpideyP No the one at the end of The Zygon Inversion.

+Gallifroozle oh yeah. Ok, I know which one. Thanks!

And clara facing the Raven

Beethoven.. Duh!

@@nazakatali244 "who" is not a word in this context. "Who" is the name of the doctor that the fans gave him rather than his actual mysterious Galifrain ( I can't spell the name of the doctor's home planet) name.

GeekyTechWolf so, what you're saying is it should be called who's fifth.

@@nazakatali244 That's what "Bruceolini and his big weenie" is saying.

GeekyTechWolf he was nicknamed Theta Sigma

it's what he does when he travels alone for too long

​@@Kissfan96drHe's not alone when we're essentially with him!

Of all the Docs I've seen (since #3), he is the only one who could truly do this. Maybe Christopher Ecclestone? But when Peter Capaldi does it, there is no question about it being right. Perhaps because he's been a teacher for so long? I just love this!

@@Kissfan96dr and he questions it one episode talking about how could we know about the best camoflage species if we cant see it?

I think 12 just likes monologues and talking to himself

He also chose the name John Smith because it was a common name, then his use of it made it a common name

In Blink, Ten had received a script for the video he made, but that script is based of the video. Where did the original script come from?

The Gallifreyans. This isn't a paradox, it just means "Doctor" was originally a Gallifreyan word.

@@ninjagamer1359 No, I’m fairly certain he chose it as an alias, after learning of it from Earth. “The Doctor” isn’t his real name, it’s a name he chose at some point.

@@ahlpym Yeah, a name he chose as part of a Time Lord tradition, meaning while he was on Gallifrey, I assume when being inducted into or graduating from the Academy. He was already called the Doctor BEFORE leaving in the stolen TARDIS - ON GALLIFREY, where he was born, raised, and lived up to that point. So it wouldn’t make any sense for him to have chosen an English word for his name randomly.

Yeah, i love it when they subtly change the intro. There was one where the intro ended with clara saying “I’m the Doctor” and her name and face showed up on the credits before Capaldis.

I honestly love that detail because it feels like capaldi getting to live every doctor who nerd’s dream. Also to the other person here- i rewatched heaven sent recently and I finally picked up on that and it’s such a great small detail

@@fletcheragenda6014 I was disappointed Capaldi never guested on The Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson after becoming The Doctor. The geeking out would have been off the charts.

@@thatHARVguy Me too! Also, I had such high hopes that Craig would cameo on Who.

Not unprecedented; Patrick Troughton had his recorder, and it made complete narrative sense for Capaldi to be a disillusioned old punk.

+Yugi mudo Spot on!

+Yugi mudo Same with Lister in Red Dwarf. He is his own dad, and his girlfriend is his mum. He got her pregnant, waited until the baby was born, took the baby back in time, the baby then grew up to become him and go through it all again in an constant loop.

Same with River's name. Amy and Rory named their daughter, Melody, for their friend Mels who brought them together. But since Melody turned into Mels in her first regeneration pairing them together, repeating the cycle. My nickname for that kind of bootstrap paradox is the"Marty's name from Back to the Future paradox". Clara Oswald herself is a paradox, since she was the one who caused herself to be taken by The Doctor to create the other versions of herself, repeating the cycle.

+Paulo Gabriel Ah, thanks. That's interesting.

+Neil Mackenzie YES!! Awesome reference :D #SmegheadsForLife

I'd pay to hear him talk

Danny O'Gara naaa

Yes.

You wouldnt mind if you paid to listen to him, but if he was some ass talking to his mate, or on his phone, or eating really loudly, then you'd mind. You'd have him kicked out if he kept talking after you told him to keep it down.

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Things that are outside the usual, but have been at least theorized and documented in the real world, if not also actually applied. Really stretch the horizon of the world for people.

What do you mean I can't break the wall, I break the fourth dimension!

Fun fact: The only time a swear word is ever said in the entirety of the show is in Season 9, Episode 6, "The Woman Who Lived," where after hearing what Me was going to do with the Eyes, he simply said: Oh shit. This is literally the only time that the Doctor has ever sworn in the show, and I have checked, twice! I don't know why this was the only time this happened, so I can only provide you with facts. Have a good day.

I think Peter is the Doctor who has broken the 4th wall most times, he has at least done it 3 times

Apparently back in the William Hartnell era Doctor Who was supposed to he educational with the doctor as a support character to Barbra Wright and Ian Chesterton. Barbara handled history and Ian was focused on Science. Or so I heard.

Definitely not the best. The speech in the Zygon Inversion is the best but this is top 3 no doubt

The explanation of the Christmas Truce

maybe the Doctor met Deadpool at one point

+deadplanetdalek1963 Docpool

+themeteorgroup love the ring to that

Damn, Doctor, back it again with the fourth wall breaks

+Valpas Kankaristo No, bad!

+TheEmberSeeker The thing is now when someone googles it this video will show up. lol

+cerberus144 a paradox in itself Doctor says Google it, you google it and find a video of him saying Google it. :P

The fourth wall wasn't broken in that way. The Doctor Who universe was made to be pretty much a mirror of ours, meaning google exists. The fourth wall breaking came when the from the doctor speaking to us, the viewers.

+TheEmberSeeker it wasn't the fourth wall, later on we find out he was talking to Clara just out of shot.

+The Cookie Diary oh I forgot about that. Well it did make me go and Google it so I guess it tapped on the fourth wall lol.

Rhys Williams fantastic reference! Oh wait, wrong doctor...

I was waiting for someone notice that as well

Same. True whovians we are 😍

Magpie Electronics gets referenced a lot, though.

@@everettrailfan yes magpie electronics is a recurring thing in doctor who. some of the things on matt smiths 1st console had magpie electronics written on them. I believe it was a keyboard. It was in one of the confidential episodes. The designing team likes to try and get it in to as many places as they can

What if the audience is the creature from "Listen"?

From what they loosely imply, he talks to himself as if someone's there when he's been alone too long. Sometimes you have no idea if a century passed between episodes.

This comment is 2 years old, but seeing Shakespeare without an "e" on the end is bothering me something fierce...

He also wrote out the first draft of Hamlet for him in one of the first examples of a subtle masturbation joke in Doctor Who. "Poor chap sprained his wrist writing sonnets"

@@Dr.Death8520 shaquezpeer

God all I can remember is the time 8 meets 8 year old Shakespeare in Time of the Daleks

@@Dr.Death8520 it might be the first time i typed the word. to be honest I dont even remember typing it

All his students get super confused as to where the heck he's recording this, some kind of science fiction set piece?

“The professor sure has a nice and... quite bizarre personal study. Right Bill?” “You. Have. No Idea”

honnestly kinda wish they had acctually recorded him dong a few and realeased them online like they were viral videos of one of hi students recording them

KevServo Why not? Of course they are. Bootstrap paradoxes are cool.

+Connor Macfarlane Sonic Sunglasses, not so much. I always thought the fez was the coolest of cools.

BarteNERDS Fezes, Bow-ties and paradoxes are cool... But yes a fez is easily the coolest of the cools.

Being cool is cool

I'll bet if he'd said "Sonic sunglasses are cool" the fandom would not have hated on them. Just sayin'.

Which really makes sense since supposedly the "12th" Doctor was not supposed to have been able to exist. 11 was supposed to be his final form. No more regenerations. So 12 being an amalgamation of all past regenerations, a "reset", makes a lot of sense. Of course 13s recent episodes have completely destroyed the lore around Regenerations entirely. :(

@@grayeaglej which is sad because it’s fucked with me ever since

Then weirdly broken by Danny becoming a Cyberman...

@@NiallHosking Not really. Orson isn't required to be directly descended from Danny, he could be a great-nephew, or some other close relationship through a sibling and still look similar to Danny.

@@johndoe748 Orson is confirmed to be a distant descendant of Danny's uncle, if I remember right.

Jeremy Xu Seperate timeline making it not a bootstrap paradox, i think

Paul Ngo that was the 2nd movie for one, for two their logic of a separate timeline implies that anytime anyone changes the past it forms a separate timeline. So it would apply in the Beethoven example too

Plus he basically gave his name to himself, so who came up with the idea of "Martin" to begin with if he is the reason he is called like that?

Chuck hears part of the song through a fifties telephone connection, gets inspired by those bits, composes and writes the song from those bits creating the whole song. Marty goes back in time and plays the whole song which Chuck hears bits from. Closed time loop.

Actually I think you could maybe say that he would have eventually wrote that song anyways but just so happened to hear it from Marty and got the inspiration sooner.

*Beethoven’s 5th starts, mashed up with the VSauce music* HEY VSAUCE, THE DOCTOR HERE

you stop that

rule number one~

and they kinda have the same haircut...

That's a bit of a stretch, but ok.

Funnily enough, Before The Flood aired on October 10th 2015 and this link - www.google.co.uk/trends/explore#q=The%20Bootstrap%20Paradox - clearly shows some interest in October 2015. Doctor Who actually got people learning about The Bootstrap Paradox.

I Googled "Butten-Strappen Paradox" because I didn't quite hear what Capaldi called it

haha

+Jared Leto LOL YUP i bet that wikipedia page saw record numbers that night

I admite, I googled it the moment I saw this episode(A thing with Doctor Who, it makes you think outside the box :)

Something that I feel sets Capaldi apart from others, is that you can really feel the many lifetimes he has carried with him. You can hear the personas of every other Doctor, yet it's still always Capaldi's own persona. It's weird but lovely.

@Dreaming Warlord yes, I realise this.

Joey Verhaar it really makes you think...

and you just love being lectured by Capaldi

"Because it has such an amazing philosophical question." If time travel doesn't/can't exist then it's a meaningless question because it supposes an impossibility. If time travel does/can exist then it's actually a question of temporal physics rather than philosophy.

Mind. Blown.

thats deadpool type meta

There isn't even a name for something like that! 0.0

@Josh King YES! I remember that. In the Dalek episode with Seven and Ace.

Nope, it was just a *really* bad trip had by the Seventh Doctor. In all seriousness, they explained Dimensions In Time by it just being a really weird dream that Seven had.

Hell, I remember in a episode where he talks to himself, and at one point, it's like two Doctors because he starts doing a pitch perfect Tom Baker. I mean, it was freaky.

Tom did that occasionally. More in the sense of talking to himself for lack of someone to talk at and be amazed by his brilliance. And yes I mean at not talk to. They serve as a sounding board for him to work out his reasoning on. Best way to understand a subject is to explain it to someoneelse.

If anything Capaldi and Tennant are tied for me. Capaldi's the better act, but I love the Tennant era a million times more than Moffat's era.

I think the reason that people love Tennant so much is that he consistently got good episodes. Swap him with any other actor and that would be everybodys favorite. The fact that Capaldi got people to like him even with some crap material shows how good he is.

@@ragerodracir yeah that is very true

Don't feel bad, Nightshade Dawn. I feel the same.

personally, I think David's Doctor has a better character arc, but Peter has better episodes. Regardless, both of them are excellent as The Doctor and I think it's because they were both already fans of Doctor Who before the role.

Stuff.

TheAdorkableRJ exactly.

round things.

*I L O V E T H E R O U N D T H I N G S*

Sorry, timey what?

I think his first episode does more damage than good.

Does that make this a bootstrap paradox?

+Grigore Alegrispa "now?" XD

If Capaldi/The Doctor tells you to do something, you do it. You're not Donna Noble

But who put those words and syllables together? Who really first googled ... the bootstrap paradox? CHUNG CHUNG CHUNG CHUNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGG

@@Yerflua You funny. Lol!😀

OMG, that is a paradox itself. You googled the Bootstrap paradox and then you watched a video that told you to google the Bootstrap paradox. An endless loop of googling something you already googled

@@afunnymonkey4948 Tell me about it. I've been googling bootstrap paradox for the past year... over and over... I can't stop!

@@StarwasterPrime oh no, we have lost another one. Hold on my dude, I will send the help team.

"HAY MCFLOY" - Biff/Griff/Mad Doh Tannen (1885/1955/1985/2015)

"nobody calls me chicken!" -Marty mcfly (1985/2015)

Funny how I was just watching BTTF not that long ago.

Chilliard2000 Doc And Twelfth should have a talk.

Stephen Reed You can make that happen in a Lego game, actually.

I’m waiting for the day that he breaks the fourth the wall and does a cold opening like this

the majority of the classic era doctors, except for 5th were ALL mature 1st quite old, so age shouldnt matter 3rd and 4th at least could out act ANY of the modern doctors

@@julieeverett7442 The first Doctor was literally the same age as Capaldi. The only reason he looked so old was that he surved in WW2. So the people saying Capaldi was too old to play him are also saying the Original Doctor was too old as well.

@@loganbreau882 the first 4 doctors were in their 40's and 50's I think 1st was 57

@@julieeverett7442 actually most of the classic doctors were in their 40s and 50s except the fifth doctor

@@TheProfessor230 Im aware

nod to what? Magpie?

Magpie is used as an Easter egg in many Doctor Who episode such as in The Idiot's Lantern.

Jordan Maloney - It wasn't used as an Easter egg in The Idiot's Lantern, that was when it first appeared. It was referred to again in The Beast Below

I am utterly astounded I didn't know this. I am as goddamn nerdy as it is possible to be about this show, and I learn this now? This is the perfect fact for me.

Also referred to in the Lie of the Land i believe

+Septex Hi Septex! :D

+Septex hey your new (work in progress) server that your working on with the drunk turtle is looking epic. Just ignore the lag! ;)

+ZIMOLO WHO not sure this is the place to explain it.. that footage wasn't recorded on the server and the map is very performance heavy so the lag wasnt server issues but hardware :)

every youtubers nightmare, LAG

+Septex I suppose you know what a real TARDIS looks like, eh?

*a whole MINI series

+martijn van weele In 'Listen' he was talking to himself. In this, he was directly talking to the audience. I hate it because it takes one out of the programme (ruining the immersion).

+OJWH Heaven Sent implies that this scene took place inside the Doctor's head.

King of Dunkshire That would be great and that is how I shall imagine it but it seems not to be the case as other times where he's not appeared to be speaking to anyone but himself he's not looked in a particular direction whereas in 'Before the Flood' he acts as if he is talking to the audience.

is it the one with the voice monster thing that says what your saying at the same time?

ooh ok

+Valpas Kankaristo Don't forget to subscribe to the official Doctor Who RU-vid Channel! xDDD

"uggh"ing?

Saying "uggh"

+Valpas Kankaristo yeah sorry I got that. I meant is that a good uggh or a bad uggh?

Bad uggh