The Bow Shoulder for Beginners - Archery Technique 101 

Thanks so much - I'm happy the videos are helpful :) There are a few more that will be published soon....

You're welcome! Thanks for watching :)

You’re welcome 😊 Glad it helps :)

Glad it was helpful! Thanks Didier!

Thanks! Always happy to help!

That's awesome to hear! I'm really happy that's ironed out a few things! Thanks for watching and I'll be sure to make more videos on similar topics :)

My pleasure! Thanks for watching :)

Appreciate it! Thanks Martin!

Thanks Khaizal!

Thanks so much Ylvie! I really appreciate it - it means the world to hear the videos help out! I always wanted to create something that would help archers like yourself so that's amazing. Thanks for the support :)

Thanks so much! Glad it was helpful! Keep working on your shooting :)

Thanks so much Lalaisap! Greetings to you in Germany too! Thanks for watching!

Thanks, that means a lot! I was wondering whether it was a bit too dry/technical but glad it helped out :)

same!

Great point! Thanks :)

Why have you been doing it wrong?

Me too. I am a culprit myself. I don't have proper coaching... Learnt a lot here. Thanks, Ashe.

Thanks Ollie!

No worries!

Thanks so much Joe!

Hey Leon! Thanks so much! It sounds like possibly the anchor/head position isn't quite correct Even with barebow the string shouldn't slap your nose. It's hard to say without seeing a picture or video but I would first make sure the head is neutral and not angled too far down and tilted which could cause the string to hit it. I'd also double check the position you have at full draw :)

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy it must be the head I thing. But I also might overdrawn the anchor. I believe good form is the most important thing. It's what makes it an athletic endeavour rather than just a shooting sport.

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Sorry, but no. Trad archer here, and a long time competitor. It shows that you are specialized to Olympic archery. I am a great believer, that we trad archers should follow B.E.S.T. shot cycle as much as possible, don't get me wrong. So I'm studying it profoundly. I would also like to thank you sincerely for the knowledge that you are sharing. I appreciate it very, very much. But in terms of anchoring in Barebow, and even more in instinctive and longbow division, some real compromises have to be made. One of the Barebow legends, John Demmer, multi champion, constantly wears a nose band aid. We typically have a higher anchor. First problem allready there (alignment and transfer). Bows, especially in longbow division are different enough, that they demand canting, and with that, the head position comes forward. With higher anchor, string moves more to the side of the face, so some archers make one of two compromises, or both: they sacrifice alignment to keep the string more centered for achieving at least some kind of string blur (alignment of the string with riser). Or they cant the head towards the string as much as possible to bring the string towards the eye, and move the nose out of the way. This means the head is tilted sideways and forward (to the bow also). Look Jason Wesbrock (which happens to have a nice prominent masculine nose also😉😃). He is multi world champion and nationals winner in 3d, field&indoor, Barebow. Or Giuliano Faletti, Italian longbow shooter, multi champion. This is even more important for instinctive and longbow division as Barebow division can and do control position of an anchor on the face with string crawl. We longbow and instinctive archers can not. We either stay low on the face and get too big gaps in the distances we shoot, but then it's mostly game over in terms of competition success, or go high towards the eye, and get some of the problems with alignment, transfer , nose slap, sometimes impossible string blur, BUT get manageable (smaller) and repeatable gaps in distances up to 30 meters. All elite competitors aim in one way or another. Long gone are the days, where you could hope to win a 3d tournament as an instinctive shooter, even on a national level. Everyone is trying to decide what is best to him. Bow set up and personal anatomy (face, cheekbones, nose), draw weight and maybe more all come into play. BUT nobody is really sure, that what he is doing himself, is really the best way for him ( because, as I said, there are big, big compromises to be made). The most sure that are doing it right, are the people, who know very little to nothing about archery. That is usually allways the case. I'm not one of them, so this comment is not meant as a critique. I'm just stating the facts (competitors simply do that, right or wrong), and hoping to spur some discussion, and maybe come to the new insights and knowledge. I believe sincerely, that Olympic archers have the highest knowledge and technical expertise. So I'm hoping that I get some feedback from you and maybe come to some new insights. Greetings and best wishes from me!

No that is a bad love to stress the shoulder and tricep you want to keep your bow arm still and draw with your other arm only

Definitely, I'll be doing a video on that soon :)

Hey Andrea - just so I'm clear, what do you mean extra rotation enables to lock the scapula close to the spine? Is this with the elbow joint?

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy I 'm referring when you clearly show (at 3'58" on) how you rolled back the scapula to be positioned and kept close to the spine. My question is when you do this movement in the shot cycle, considering that the movement of raising the bow is when the shoulder would like to be lifted up? This question may remind to the video when you talked about the elbow rotation, not suggested to lock it before but during the rasing of the bow, around at the maximum height. 1) If you roll the scapula before and keep it down while you lift the bow (Set -> Setup transition) I feel solid but also pretty rigid. My joint perhaps is not flexible so well 2) During the elevation of the bow, soon after you rotated the elbow inward then you also roll back the scapula, just before you start rotating the torso in sync when the hands are going down from nose height to jaw height, 3) During or after the rotation of the torso for shoulder alignment, but I see it hard because the bow shoulder is not rock solid and and ready to resist against the load of the opening bow. Hope I clarified (in words is much harder!) Thanks

Hi Ashe, watching again and more carefully, indeed you said at 12'22" that the archer should set the bow scapula (by rolling back and place it close to the spine) since from the set position and then keep it the same when the bow is lifted up to prevent it goes up again. You also advice that that feeling is for beginners as in the long term advanced archer do not want to retract scapula close to the spine. That was my initial question: because sometime I had the impression that some top archers seems to allow the bow shoulder to raise when they lift up the bow but then they are also able to roll back the scapula and place it in a solid position during the shoulder alignment when they rotate the torso and go down.

Pressure point in the bow hand, forearm tennssion and the tricep

Coming to a video near you soon.... 😜

I think the first few minutes of the video was explaining that telling an archer to have a 'strong isometric bow arm' causes them to have a high bow shoulder but maybe I misunderstood.

@@tzbobr if the arm is strong the compression happens in the shoulder, because People dont push forward with the muscles in the back to support the arm and shoulder, there is too mutch mention of the drawing side when the bow arm side back muscles are ignored, often is push pull mention but No one has every explained it in biomeckanical terms., the real diffrence is reaching for somthing where the montions starts for elongsting the deltoid where as the compression testing push shoulg orginate in the lower trapesius and scapula muscles leaving the deltoid in a resting pos.

Hey Joseph - having the shoulder high definitely increases the risk of pain or injury - it's worth trying to have it more neutral for sure, try with a band and light bow first :)

@@OnlineArcheryAcademy Thank you. I'm going over your videos on the bow shoulder form now. Excellent resource for those of us who do not have access to archery coaches. Thanks again

@@mountainpaddler2242 No problem :) Keep working on it, the bow shoulder position is difficult to master, but it's worth it :)

Thanks Mikhail! Really happy it was helpful, I'll be doing some more videos like this soon on other areas of the shot :)

Thanks :)