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Usik also fought higher ranked boxers than Fury and Klitschko is not active anymore to take it into account, the fight was in 2015 ffs. the reality is that Fury has been slaking off and taking it easy lately. He got a lot of criticism for that
What’s do you mean you can’t put Usyk higher? He has more belts and he’s more accomplished fighter than Fury. Fury is the one that has to prove himself at this point
usyk isn't more accomplished at heavyweight than fury. furys won every belt and ring magazine belt twice. fury beat a 10 year champion abroad and a 5 year undefeated champion abroad to win the belts usyk beat ah who got beat a couple of fights earlier.
@@ag7337 he isn’t more accomplished at heavyweight, that is true. But, if we look at the ranking as the thing that is up to date, Usyk is justifiably number one. Fury’s performances are shit at best. AJ shows quite good performances, Usyk shows the best performances and skills out of the three
Usyk is absolutely an incredible fighter, but technically hes still got to beat the man who unfortunately happens to be fury. So, as awful as fury has looked hes still at the top till the fight happens. After usyk beats him which is very likely whats gonna happen then its not even a debate. But until someone actually beats fury, hes the number 1 heavyweight as much as people dont wanna admit it. That being said, Fury is still 100% a dickhead for how hes gone about things especially for underestimating nganu and putting on that shitshow of a fight. Less the 2 weeks now till we find out whos the real #1 so yh we will see.
@@vs-tm1ch hes the lineal champ, held all the belts at one point, unbeaten at heavyweight, fought more heavyweights. Im not arguing hes a better fighter then usyk, but uysk has moved up to tysons division to challenge HIM. Hes the #1 guy in the division regardless of some shithouse performance against nganu, its been established many times that we have no idea what kinda fury turns up to every fight. Wilder 2 he looked unstoppable then wilder 3 he looked worse. Its not a hard concept, until the fights over and done with fury is the #1 heavyweight. Usyk either wins and takes the #1 spot or fury retains it, thats it.
Regardless whether he was on form or not boxing wise Fury couldnt put a dent in Ngannou with his best shots, elbow and all. AJ absolutely flattened him. I dont think you can just assume that Fury would beat AJ. Inb4 styles make fights etc. Furys style is lean and impose weight and it has been long before Ngannou, AJ isnt going to be drained by Fury like that. Klitschko era Fury is long gone.
I don't have a problem with you putting Fury at 1 but to say Usyk can't put him above Fury I totally disagree with. In the past two years Fury has beaten Chisora and Ngannou, neither of which were impressive. Usyk beat AJ and Dubois who are far better competition and looked fairly good. Sure, Fury has some good wins but he hasn't looked good recently, times change. Fury vs Usyk is 50 50.
It's an algorithm. It's clearly flawed in several ways. Wilders thin resume compared to AJ resume is what only places Fury at #3. His two wins against Wilder just didnt give many points, while Usyks two wins against the point-stacked AJ gave tons of points to Usyk.
Boxrec uses a points system with certain rules. If you haven’t fought in the last 12 months you won’t be ranked (Andy Ruiz). You carry up your points from the previous weight ( hence Usyk coming up with high points, and Wallin getting a lot of points for beating Gassiev), and points are weighted towards most recent performances (hence Fury being ranked 3rd as he has only beaten Chisora and Ngannou in the last two years and Hrgovic being poorly ranked as he has never beaten a high points Boxrec fighter, with Zhang being poorly rated when Hrgovic beat him. You lose half of your points for a loss , with them going to the person who beat you, so one recent win against a highly ranked fighter can catapult you right up
Fury’s resume has been exposed lately. The Wlad win was good but very very ‘safe’. Not exactly a defeat that would put miles on the clock. AJ showed wlad was there for the taking after knocking him out in his 18th fight. Wilder recently got schooled by Parker. What else is there to talk about? Easy to pick holes in a resume. I’d say schooling AJ twice is better than beating Wlad and wilder. Always been baffled by how high we see Ortiz in many ranking systems. Complete nonsense.
i don't understand how joey can have great takes to some of the weirdest takes at any given moment, with the aj wins alone usyks resume starches tysons, usyk actually defended the belt against a younger hungry lion in daniel tysons been handpicking for almost a decade
Usyk AJ Fury Parker Zhang Wilder Ruiz Hargovic Dubious Sanchez is how I’d rank the top 10 heavyweights if you’d take out Ruiz cause of inactivity I’d put Joyce Kabayel or Anderson at the 10th spot
Let's not forget tyson failing Nandrolone tests. I wouldn't be surprised if he's back on some type of peds, the body transformation is too drastic for him to not be on something for this USYK Fight, the cut is just to delay the drug testing (if there is any)
I'd defo be interested in seeing your top 10 and maybe even add some honourable mentions that sit in the 10-20th positions? That Luis Ortiz placement is WILD.
Doesn't Boxrec calculate rankings automatically with somethibg similar to Elo, based on who fighters have beaten and how decisively? No idea why Ortiz is there though. 2:41 that's not the way rankings work on Boxrec. They don't discount all the fights someone has before they moved up in weight. Or else guys like Pacquiao and Canelo would've kept having rating resets. The reality is Usyk cleared out cruiserweight before moving up and has yet to lose at heavyweight despite going straight in the deep end.
Boxrec purely ranks guys by resume of opponents and how they performed recently. Usyk and Joshua easily have a stronger resume than Fury (boxrec counts resume in all weight classes). So yeah, they rank higher. That's a no brainer if you understand how this system works. Under this system, fighters with inactivity also get penalized and those who haven't fought in over 12 months are not rated at all.
Correct me if I'm wrong but, as I understand it, boxrec uses a formula to calculate rankings based on the boxers wins and losses similar to a chess players ELO rating. Wins against highly ranked opponents are worth more, and it will be weighted to put more emphasis on recent performances. True, there will always be details that a formula doesn't take into account. But there's not much point in criticising their decisions when it wasn't a human decision in the first place.
Check it again, Ortiz is #17. Boxrec is not done by humans, it's done by an automated process and I suspect you caught it while it was doing a reshuffle. The maths on it "depreciate" old wins and losses to ensure the ranking is relevant which is how Usyk gets ranked above Fury, as Fury hasn't done enough recently to prove he is performing at a higher level than Usyk right now. I'll add to this, before Parker fought Wilder a very solid amount of people believed Wilder would beat AJ.
Boxrec is a great resource but i learned early on that their rankings are horrendous I disagree with you though fury’s resume is comparable to Usyks at heavyweight even with the lack of heavyweight fights and it does come close to AJs
Another amazing video, Joey. Keep going, mate. Unless my stuff is glitching, it looks like they updated the heavyweight rankings again. They’re even worse now…
Look up Johny Nelsosns interview with RadioRahim prior to Usyks fight against Belew. Nelson tells a story when he first saw Usyk. He saw him in sparing with Klichko back when he was preparing for the Fury fight. Usyk folded Klichko in two rounds forcing the champ to be escorted out of the gum threw the back door. Nelson said that „Usyk is good but i think he does not know how good he is”, „in all of his fights up to the Belew fight Usyk fights well within hos abilities, and when the lenny drops and he realises how good he is he will be unbeatable”. The thing is that Usyk never fights at 100 % of his ability by choice. He uses just enough skill to win the fight comftarbly. The man reads Sun Tsu’s „The art of War”. One of the rules in this book says - never show your opponent everything you are capable of keep him gueassing and let him think you are weak.
If you didn't know BoxRec announced a year or so ago maybe longer that the algorithms that calculate the rankings are corrupt. I can't remember the reason they gave but its done automatically by a computer algorithm not by a specific group of human opinion
I think if you go off recency you pick Usyk and if you go off overall heavyweight career Tysons more accomplished (which he should be with Fury being a heavyweight his whole career and Usyk only becoming one a few years ago).
Using the logic on who the hypothetical favourites are is a bit strange with Fury. Cause most people would think that Fury would absolutely beat Ngannou 👀. You can’t discredit Usyk and place it in Fury’s favour because he didnt beat AJ. Despite how much people thought he would.
The betting odds argument doesn't make sense. Fury didn't start as a betting favourite against Wladimir Klitschko when he fought him. Usyk didn't begin as a betting favourite against AJ when he fought him. I get what you're trying to get however, given greater context the point seems kind of silly.
Boxrec has admitted that their rankings are glitchy; it uses an algorithm where the ratings are based on how often they are searched/their pages are accessed, and how recently they have fought seems to play a role, too. There's no board of boxrec employees deciding the order of the list; the computer produces the list based on boxrec user data. If we all got together by the thousands and kept searching Jerry Forrest and looking at his page, we would watch him climb the boxrec list very quickly. BTW, you're entirely wrong about Fury. He's been a pile of shit for years now; more than 2 years since a legit defense; 18 months since his bogus defense against a guy who was 33-12, who had lost 3 of his last 5, who wasn't ranked sufficiently for a voluntary defense until the WBC inflated his ranking AFTER Fury announced the fight.... Only recent fight was against a rookie, non-title fight he almost lost. The only reason Fury is hanging on to a high ranking at all is b/c he holds the WBC belt, and bc some ppl think he's the "lineal" champ. His CV sucks; his lack of title defenses is shockingly disgraceful, and he's a repeat offended drug cheat who has held onto his Zero mostly via avoidance.
Boxrec doesn't work like that. It's based on an algorithm that ranks based on the results in your last few fights and the ranking of the opponent at the time of the fight. Usyks last 3 were AJ twice and dubois, both top 10 ranked at the time if the fight, fury's last 3 had 1 top 10 ranked fighter, one who wasn't ranked at all, and the other wasn't in the top 20, so that's why fury is ranked below him. Also, I just checked the rankings, it's completely different from what you shared. Hrgovic, zhang, Anderson and sanchez are in there, ortiz, wilder and walin aren't in there.
I'd love to see your rankings. For me Fury hasn't done enough to be #1 lately. Zang definitely needs to be in top 10. 12 round loss were he dropped Parker twice. Shouldn't drop you down. A fit Andy Ruiz has a good chance of dropped all those guys but he doesn't fight enough.
Very hard to do an accurate top 10. This is where i rank everyone. Top 8 Fury Usyk Parker Joshua Hrgovic Zhang Kabayel Sanchez Best of the rest in any order. Wilder Ruiz Whyte Dubois Ortiz Joyce Bakole Hunter Chisora Franklin Pulev Miller Kuzmin Takam Wallin Prospects any order: Anderson Huni Ajagba Wardley Clarke Zakhoshyi Lerena Pero Kossobutskiy Sirenko Jalolov Ljungquist Makhmudov
Why do people keep going back 10 years to when Fury beat Klitchko in one of the worst heavyweights fights of the last decade. It was 10 fucking years ago. It’s not relevant now and hasn’t been for years. Rankings should be dynamic and based on current and recent performance
The boxrec rankings are made using an algorithm, which awards points for their fights over the last two years and the points for each fight deteriorate as time goes by. it’s a flawed system which throws out some weird rankings.
2015 Klitscko Vs Usyk. Usyk wins. Fury’s fight was close and he never gave the man his rematch. Does Fury beat Dubois most likely. Can he beat Joshua 50/50. The fact is the crown is still up for grabs in my opinion as nothing is unified. Until fury and usyk unify we do not know who’s king of the castle. The outcome will decide. But fury and Usyk still have to defend the belts. Fight a few more fights take a few more scalps in order to be defined as something special. That’s legacy. That’s honour.
Are you mad look at what usyk has done compared to fury. Tyson fury shouldn't even be in top 10 he cherry picks fights and ran from aj took a 3rd fight with washed up chisora fury is trash and wouldn't beat aj clearly you don't actually know boxing
My Heavyweight Ranking's on May2th 1. Tyson Fury 2. Oleksandr Usyk 3. Anthony Joshua 4. Joseph Parker 5. Filip Hrgovic 6. Zhilei Zhang 7. Deontay Wilder 8. Frank Sanchez 9. Daniel Dubois 10. Martin Bakole 11. Jared Anderson 12. Joe Joyce 13. Agit Kabayel 14. Efe Ajagba 15. Fabio Wardley
the rankings are actually made by a kind of ELO system. Fury's best win is tainted, he tested positive for decca nandralone just around the time he fought Wladimir and Hammer, he never looked like that again. His victory is also lessened due to the fact he ran away from the rematch. Wilder was always a one trick pony who beat no one noteworthy, Fury's resume is paper thin, and his last performances have not been great, that's why Usyk is ahead of him he's looked better in his last fights and holds 3 out of the 4 major belts. Fury is right where he should be in that ranking.
I don't think you can say its recency bias putting Usyk above Fury, just look at their last two fights. Usyk has gone AJ Dubois, Fury has gone Chisora (who he had already beaten twice, 10+ loses on his record) and an individual that was having his first ever boxing bout and took Fury to a split decision. IMO its only for so long you can go back to those Wilder and Klitschko fights, albeit tremendous wins. There is a case to be made that on form and currently Usyk is the number 1 in the division. He also holds more world titles currently, all will be revealed May 18th hopefully... good video
Even tho I disagree about the Fury stuff I've enjoyed listening to ur take.. I think everyone needs to listen to more opposing views (on everything, not just boxing), it's too easy to get into an echo chamber situation on RU-vid, listening to the same opinions over and over, just confirming ur existing views and never hearing them challenged.. Liked.. Subbed.. Job's a good un!'
Having usyk as number 1 isn't a huge issue for me but i do agree with you having Tyson at 3 is very strange having wallin and Ortiz is crazy to me kabayel shouldn't be so high even though i rate him but he's not got enough good wins and Whyte shouldn't be there either maybe 18 months ago just because he's not fought for ages until recently and he lost before that but he's got a better reseme of wins but that's past hirgovic should be in the list
You should see the P4P boxrec rankings if you think this is bad, they are actually criminal. If im not mistaken Chris Eubank Jr (whos never won a world title) is above USYK (undisputed cruiser weight and unified heavy weight) i mean how is that even possible?
Cannot really put the list together of these current top 10 heavyweights and use almost all old fights as reference. It's nice to hear a different take, than the Usyk number 1 take, but it doesn't make much scense.
People had an excuse for favoring Fury a few years ago. Now we know more. We know Wilder is a protected champion and Fury's best wins go out the window. At the moment, Fury can be considered as unproven at the highest level.
Sorry, Joey. Those are rhetorical arguments. Usyk has the championships belts, the markers of status (God help us all) in contemporary boxing, thus, he's the automatic (titular) #1. All others are in rank order below him. Maybe Fury can take that ranking, mantle, after the 18th, we shall see.
Boxrec have said themselves not to use the rankings because the criteria is unreliable and they are there to get the jist of who should be fighting who not a legitimate ranking system
You're takes are normally on the money but really what has fury done since the wilder fights to be considerred the top current heavy weight on the planet?
With your logic , fury was the betting favorite against ngannou, by a mile. Look how that turned out. He had poor performances against old man chisora and chinian whyte
You can’t put Tyson fury at number 1 or above Usyk because he’s not even been in competitive fights for the last 3 or 4 years. You can’t be ranked the best when you don’t even fight. Usyk has been doing that so he deserves number 1.
People act as if Klitschko came back from the dead to fight AJ!! Klitschko was fit from training for the Fury rematch which got postponed multiple times and eventually cancelled. AJ basically gave him the rematch Fury owed him for the Belts. Fury and AJ both deserve credit for their wins against Wladimar. You can argue about which one is more impressive all you want but you can't act as if Fury beat a prime Klitschko. They both beat him when he was on the way out.
@@bigmeatyhooks Wallin is very overrated in my opinion. Good all round fighter but nothing special. Doesn't have nearly the same agility, speed or power as Joseph Parker does.
Great content… Fury still number one in my book.. think he’s gonna be a too big for usyk… that list is a shambles, how they have Luis Ortiz in there in 2024 is beyond me
Usyk has 4 belts Fury has 1. Usyk beat AJ twice back to back a man Fury refused to fight. Fury 27 was cought using PED to win on points againt Klichko who was 40 at the time. Fury never gave Klichko a remach despite having a remach clause in tbe contract. Fury is overhyped and tjis allows him to get away with all this ducking nonsence whilst being called the best of his era, best of his generation etc. He is a mediocre boxer that compensates what he lacks in skill with his size and cheeting that he gets away with because he has an entire industry working on blowing smoke up his ass. The man who holds more belts deserves to be higher on the list and the man who hass less belts should chase after the man who holds more belts. 1.Usyk, 2.Fury, 3.Hergovich, 4.AJ, 5 Parker, 6.Zhang, 7.Ruiz, 8-9WilderDubois.
You just said Ortiz was a genuine heavyweight danger man 10 years ago as a point against him - 10:03 - But then compare the AJ and Fury's fights with Klitschko - 7:21 - which were 9 and and 7 years ago but you said that as a point in fury's favour? Stay consistent! No love lost tho bro! I enjoy your content and your fights but I felt i had to call you out on that.
