It's been the Kiwi way since they started getting red cards. Don't you remember the excuses for the BI Lions series when SBW was red carded? Or the 2019 RC when Scott Barrett was red carded?
Ireland scored all their tries with even numbers on the park. Fact is NZ were off in a big way around discipline and should have coughed up at least another penalty try.
Don't want to be pedantic but Ireland winning in New Zealand wasn't "117 years in the making". Ireland played their first game in New Zealand in 1976, that wasn't 117 years ago.
New Zealand were very lucky they didn't have two men off with red cards and a penalty try against them. The reason Ireland had 15 men in the game is because they didn't make amateur mistakes like the All Blacks did. Don't blame the referee, blame your players and your management.
2022 World Rugby health and safety high tackles is already being implemented in 6 Nations and all referees have to play by the book. Southern hemisphere needs to get on board because this is already proving to be the reason why matches are lost. Just look at the results from the weekend between both sides of the world. Come on Ireland.
Not a fair fight??? Both teams started with 15. The rules are clear. It's up to the players to keep their disipline and stay on the pitch. Sour grapes from the one eyed NZ media.
@@yoshi-bg7hs Yup, the guy was from SA, but he clearly knows the laws better than you. The guy from SA saved your arse when your winger hit their's in the head and only saw a yellow card, he saved your arse by not giving a penalty try to Ringrose, who was neither offsides nor obstructing Ufa by the way. The officials *did* say there was a change of direction but they also said that it did not mitigate the sanction down to yellow - the change of direction did not change the body height of the ball carrier so your guy still went in to high and hit him in the head. This is universally applied that way around the world but when it happens to the AB's then it's wrong? Please go and learn the laws. You lot listen to everything your commentators and pundits say and you lap it up as being gospel yet it is shocking how many times they are wrong. Reminds me of the Bismarck tackle on Dan Carter when your commentators were bleating that he was offsides..... from a 22 yard drop out...... Nuff said!
The 20 minute red Card is the very reason you were down a man on Saturday. You’ve now gotten used to having little incentive not to avoid such cards. If you know the laws and you know the punishment, the rest is on you.
Love the ABs but I think, whether they win next week or not, they have huge problems. Starting to hear a lot of excuses from pundits and coaches alike. Excuses were never ever mentioned in the McCaw era.
Probably the best rugby team ever . Ireland had their best game ever .. and they lost .. that was and still is the best Ireland ever played and it still wasn’t good enough..
In the McCaw era, Graham Henry got reappointed after 2007 RWC exit on the basis of a video showing all the refereeing errors made including the forward pass leading to France try.
Again you can’t say red card = not a fair fight. You created the red and the 2 yellows and could have had more! This was as a result of pressure. That’s where the Irish deserve credit. When the ABs are reffed like us mere mortals, they are no different than any other team.
@@aranakenny6075 nay mate refs give the all blacks the golden touch and pipper even said unfortunately I have to give u a red card where ever have you heard anything like that .
Well they have to have somebody to blame and the referee Is always the easy target. Those pundits need to learn the rules of the game before mouthing off about them. I agree they should have had two reds and a penalty try against them too. New Zealand were lucky they didn't get totally destroyed out there. I once heard an All Black player say that Ireland were a pretty good team but he didn't know any of their names. I bet he does now.
@@yoshi-bg7hs You accuse people of not knowing the rules (they are laws actually but whatever), yet in another thread you defend Ofa for tackling Ringrose without the ball because he was "offsides and obstructing him".... There are very rare occasions when you can be offsides and still behind the ball and those all include the ball being kicked from behind you - Ringrose was neither. The officials said it was an early tackle and Nigel Owens said not only was it an early tackle but there was definite justification for a penalty try. Don't think it is these people who need to learn the laws, mate, because you seem to have no clue.
@@yoshi-bg7hs Yet you are the one who is incorrect here. Perhaps you should be more aware that *you* make mistakes and less inclined to automatically blame the referee.
Absolutely disgraceful stuff here, 20 mins card someone goes off for 20 mins in a game, player targeted ,out for the rest of the match and maybe a season. What they're saying is entertainment over player safety, if ireland did this I'd 100% expect a red no ifs and buts.
Well for years the All Blacks have been getting their asses kissed, now that they have to play by the same rules as everyone else we see they're not so good after all..
On 14 Jun 2016 Cj Stander was Red Carded for a foul very similar to the one Leicester Fainga'anuku only got a yellow. It didn't ruin the game and guess what. Ireland went onto to win with only 14 men for 58 minutes. Oh. and by the way, that was our very first win against SA in SA. Get over yourselves and stop looking for excuses. Otherwise you will lose again this weekend.........(What did I just say?......🙈Oh bugger!) Ahem, can you please forget everything I just said. You are dead right. It was the red card that cost you the game. No need to look for any other cause. All Blacks were great last Saturday. It was all the refs fault.......(Phew! ....that was a close one!)
@@diarmuidkelleher5319 As a South African, I can only agree with everything you just said, and when they went upstairs to review the hit on your winger, I expected to see the red card because CJ's tackle was all I could see in the back of my mind.
@@Karma-qt4ji that's exactly the first thing that came into my head, CJ's hit on Lambe. It was a red card that time and I don't think any genuine Irish supporter thought, CJ should have gotten a yellow. On another Day Anuku could have got a red and Ireland could have been awarded a penalty try. But these things happen. The most annoying thing about some of the comments and the commentators is they aren't taking responsibility for the indiscipline of the All Backs. That's why they got the cards and it wasn't because the ref decided, giving AB cards would be the only way Ireland could beat NZ.
@@ocodeskamcdbsm Yes I agree, and I felt the same about a number of Welsh fans and pundits - yes, the referee in the first test was completely out of his depth, but if you receive 4 yellow cards all for professional fouls, and possibly deserved a fifth in the dying moments when Dan Biggar deliberately knocked the ball on, then perhaps the referee is not the only problem on the field.... Too many people blame the system and the rules and the referees, when they themselves are the culprits and deserve what they are getting.
What we have always known. The exodus of players, coaches, information, culture of the game, that Europe benefits so much from. Good on Ireland, I have seen enough to know this Irish team has the aggression and intensity of past AB sides. Ok cards played a huge factor. But even if there were no cards. I've seen enough to realise this Irish team is fierce. They are stronger at the most contested area of the game. The Breakdown. Good luck AB's but I've been won over by this tenacious Irish defence
Man this guy is sour. Last autumn when Ireland beat NZ he said “we all know that they come down here in July and we kick their butts”!! Lucky not to have 2 reds and 3 yellows and a penalty try. You also should have been down to 12 at I point. No point saying all credit to the Irish and then saying “it wasn’t a fair fight”!
For years we all know that the All Blacks got away with murder because they were the All Blacks, well that's no longer the case. Reality has caught up with them and so they either adapt to that new reality or be consigned to the history books of rugby.
Discussion should of been on the key mistakes which was playing Papalii out of position, substituting Savea, and finally not giving Ireland respect as we lacked a Plan B and C because we only scored at the end of each half.
Apart from all the discipline stuff, I feel like in the last year the AB's have lacked creativity. There are a limited number of players in the world who can truly break a game open. We lacked that flair that Will Jordan, Kieran Read, McKenzie, Nonu, Carter, Cruden, Dagg and others have brought to the Jersey in the last decade. Its a big creative burden for just Beauden particularly once Ardie comes off. I think we try a little bit to beat these teams at their style, instead of them having to adapt to our style. One of the things that was synonymous with playing the prime ABs from 08-18 was that it felt like there was 15 backs out there because of how skilled our forwards were. Constantly they would rumble up the middle with offloads and perfectly timed tip passes. I havent seen that from this pack in a while, and Ireland's forwards looked the more skilled, physicality aside. Then in the back line, if we are going to pick our 'power' players (Leicester, Tupaea, Jordie) instead of our creatives, then we have to win collisions. I didnt feel like we were any more powerful than the Irish. Lack of creativity was felt for sure - only 2 tries (1 lucky, 1 inconsequential). To some degree I think fortune favors the bold and at the minute the ABs feel quite safe.
Love a decider 🇳🇿🇮🇪🤙🏾 Big all blacks fan but goddamn it i love it and i aint mad that we lost cos its part of the game it just makes them better and makes other teams step it up even more. Nobody wants to see a state of origin or a sevens game where fiji & Nz were always winning.
There was a time when many people in New Zealand got bored of watching the ABs, because they felt that it was a foregone conclusion that the team will win. Now, many want to criticize the ABs to death, because they can't handle the team losing. Well, most other top rugby teams have learnt how to neutralize the ABs main strengths, and any of them can beat the ABs on the day. My biggest concern, as an ABs supporter since 1990, is that I don't see any real evolution in the team's play under Ian Foster. Granted, he introduced many new young players, and he was dealt with by COVID-19, but I am not convinced that he has been able to take the ABs to greater heights. Three areas need to be improved urgently, if we are to stand any chance of winning to 2023 WC: (1) Greater and more consistent intensity in the game, especially at the breakdown. We've been bullied and outsmarted too many times at the breakdown under Foster. (2) Deal with high balls in a much more effective way. After the 3 defeats against the sprinboks in 2009, we managed to perfect that area, but it went awry again. (3) Implement and cement a multi-dimensional attacking strategy.
We need hard runners in that midfield. Someone that can get over the advantage line. This formula worked wonders for the ABs with Nonu and Smith. We had Laumape but lost him under Foz. With his new direction of replacing that hard running 12 with agile n speed.
@@westsideAUKILANI I agree! You need a 12 with brute force and good body strength that can break the line, and you need a 13 with great speed. For me, the contest is between Havili and the 12 of the Blues. The center combination is critically to get right as soon as possible.
@@ibrahimsteyn1254 definitely brother. Havili and RTS at 12 I agree. Although RTS is yet to play a test but I'd back him. Seems as though we still haven't figured out our centre combination although Rieko is Def the starting 13. Wouldn't mind seeing the Crusaders combo of Mounga, Goodhue and Ioane at 13.
@@westsideAUKILANI PUJ needs to be introduce back into the ABs squad by the end of year tour. He’s currently the only midfielder in nz that can consistently break the line. Unless we move Caleb Clarke to 12.
AB pack simply isn't powerful enough to trouble the elite NH packs. Too much focus on having props doing sidesteps and second rows out-the-back passes; looks good, but the NH took a look at the Saffa blueprint and realised they could target that area. AB pack isn't intimidating; not powerful in tight, scrum not attacking, maul not great, ruck too lightly resourced. If the Kiwi supporters think Ireland are good, bear in mind France are even better with England on the way back. France, Ireland and England in that order can do a number in the AB forwards.
All the pressure is on NZ .. NZ have lost 3 of the last 4 Back to back defeats at home . Unthinkable for NZ to lose 4 of 5 games .. probably go to 5 th in rankings also .. I think they will scrape home in a tight game ..
Had to turn off after the card soap-box. The attitude toward cards in the SH (for my money the Aussie Foxtel team are even worse) probably has a lot to do with league being more popular here, but it’s dinosaur era discourse. If you watch any NH rugby you’ll know that they play under a far stricter interpretation of the laws and it’s actually pretty jarring to see how much the Aus and NZ unions are flailing around tying to do everything in their power to avoid changing behaviours. Rugby cannot survive an NFL style class action. It can’t survive with players retiring early from head trauma. If these ex pros actually care about the sport, they’ll put their tiny violins away, realise that the physicality of the sport in its current form is a distant cousin to what they played in the 90s and 00s and get with the changing times.
Complaints about cards running the game is rubbish. The laws are in place calling out the sanction for breaking them. The players/ coaches have responsibility to know and comply the refs and officials implement them. Looking for change in the way laws are implemented because it is reffed different/ softer ( not as strictly) at domestic level is not accepting that it's a global game where sanctions have seen behaviours change and more disciplined approach from teams. Player safety has to be prioritized. A game affected by cards is a price until players comply. In this game don't forget Ireland lost Ringrose as well as a result of the red card incident during this game and for the rest of the tour potentially. Red in this incident is the correct call. The responsibility is with the defender. For the first yellow card. In my opinion it should have been red given the force of the contact on the head of the Ireland wing and the NZ winger being out of control in the air. The officials used the mitigation of the first point of contact being in the chest area to make it yellow but that is a very generous judgement. For the second yellow it could easily have been judged a penalty try as there was no coverage evident between Ringrose ( who was tackled without the ball) and the try line. The ref said 9 was covering but it looked like he was part of 2 players going to tackle sexton. For the Ireland yellow card it could also have been an AB penalty try given it was close to the line. On the players mixup for Savea ect. Law 3 covers all of these aspects. Once he was taken off to cover the prop he was out of the game. Further the scrum at this point was uncontested due to NZ not having sufficient competent front row. This meant that 8 players were required in the scrum plus + further player removed from the backline until contested again. NZ should have had 12 players only on the field at this time period. In law this sanction should have been a penalty to Ireland for NZ having incorrect number of players on the field. The chaos of sending the 2 players back to the field after this is a point where NZ should have been further sanctioned. The ref could have easily been much harsher on NZ on Saturday but missed / chose to downplay a number of issues, Such as his comments on not agreeing with the laws when giving the red card. In general NZ didn't appear to know the laws sufficiently or expect a more loose local interpretation for an international occasion. They should not expect to get away with stuff at international level they may get away with at club level. If it is the case their club game needs more strict reffing. A straight clear reffing standard implementation everywhere is what is needed not calls for adjusting laws you don't agree with after every match. Player health going forward has to be a priority. Multiple concussions causing early dementia and brain damage is not worth any entertainment / ruining the game/ game gone soft comments. Read Andrew Sheridan's book to wake up to this ( English prop of 2003 rwc winning team), he cannot remember any of his playing career due to concussions. On a cynical level such injuries with no actions by world rugby puts the game at risk of bankruptcy or of parents not allowing their kids to play at all. NZ discipline was I think an issue on Saturday. A number of penalties at the breakdown for tackling players beyond the ruck ect. It appears from comments that there is insecurity around the physical presence of the NZ forwards getting outmatched. This is going to extreme with the illegal actions resulting in penalties and cards. A bit more disciplined approach might work better. Joe Smyth made Ireland into the most disciplined team around. He is a good addition to the coaching staff of NZ to improve here.
@@bodhid I agree , my point was from a discipline perspective and possibly game management Schmidt will improve the AB's. Farrell has improved Ireland a great deal since he took over. Catt deserves credit as well. Very well coached overall. I fear it is a lack of depth at key positions where Ireland will loose out in future but this has been a very good tour.
Irish Coaches' plan for this series is to lose at Eden Park to sugar up the All Blacks then hit them hard in both Dunedin and especially Wellington while the All Blacks are hurting to take their well earned 1st Rugby series win in New Zealand. So far the plan is two-3rds of the way there already. One more great effort like Saturday won't kill anyone as clearly shown by their amazing strength to nail all the important facets of the game of rugby in Dunedin. Whether 13 against 15 it doesn't count because the ref used the current rule book on all his decisions and we alllllllllllllllllllllllll witnessed them live. To make things even easier for Ireland, All Blacks best friend Barns will be the Ref. I am an All Black supporter but this time I am prepared to break my heart and put allllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll my money on Ireland to win the series. TAB odds for a draw is a huge $18.00 - Make up your mind bro!!!
The difference between the first and second test was that the ref didn't allow NZ to cheat at the breakdown like they did in the first. That was the major difference and helped ireland get quick ball to play. New Zealand have been the standard bearers in rugby for decades, its so sad to see them reduced to such cheap tactics to combat another team that's actually trying to play the open game new Zealanders love. Whatever happened to them just out scoring us like the old days, now this constant wave of professional fouls.
I completely agree with Wilson, about the drawn for the rugby world cup. This should be done after we know all the teams qualified and about 3 month before it's start
No more excuses, 22-32 with 15 against 15. A fair fight and a clear winner. It may have taken us nearly 20 years to build a team to avenge the attempted murder of BOD but we have done it. Tana Umaga and Kevin Mealamu I hope you were watching the Irish boys thump the ABs.
I love the ABs but, being honest, the next world cup is going to be disastrous. I dont see them beating France in the group stage and SA or Ireland in the QFs. I hope they can start thinking long term and prepare beyond the RWC with new management and a different approach
Just second game for ABs, couple of position still up for grabs, COVID didn't help, combination is WIP... Ireland know their best 15, played 6N together, key roles are Leinster boys so have advantage over ABs in general and well coached, in saying that both tries wr off miss tackles not set piece. I think ABs have potential but not their yet. G3 will be interesting.
Totally agree r.e Aaron Smith. He's too institutionalised with Foster's way that he no longer plays what's in front of him. Finlay Christie has been outstanding the last two years and really shone in the SR final behind the losing pack. He has a win at all costs and go forward no matter what mentality. Bring on Aaron Smith with 20 to go where his experience can then close a game.
Sam Cane needs to be dropped.. His not the best 7 in Nz, nor is he a better captain than Sam whitelock... What is his purpose? Allblacks lack physicality
predictable on attack ,panic under pressure lack battle hardness clearly the northern hemisphere have the wood on us nothing has change since 2019 we need to develop a carrying front row and a big number 8 to give us different options
We need to adapt our game plan for game 3. The Irish learnt quickly that Aaron would skip pass to the third in the line. They simply put pressure on that man and we were stopped cold. Practice taking high balls too as it’s where they will again target. The tall Barrett lad is good at 15 and can take high up and unders well, I trust he will be picked there. AB’s need to target the Irish line by pick and go up the middle, close over and over, til they don’t fan out, then go wide, Not width from the get go, too easy to counter. Looking forward to game 3. Go ABs!
Unfortunately everyone has caught up! Talent alone will take your team so far. NZ has exported its rugby knowledge/talent to other parts of the world…this makes for a better World Cup! As formidable as the All Blacks record is I do enjoy seeing other teams taking them apart. I don’t see them losing next week but everyone catching up to the ABs. Ask the Australian Kangaroo’s and their rugby league dominance of years past.
They aren’t matching the physicality of the Irish man and it’s seem that way from hot minute now. Not sure what it is exactly but Saturdays game was a shambles from the coaching side.
On the Ta'avao red card, I don't agree with the "it's just accidental"... from a country strongly focused on individual technique, to not see that there is a technical issue here, is astonishing... these cards are aiming at a change of technical tackling approach which is still not entirely happening...
New Zealand's pool of players is much greater than Ireland's. Rugby still plays 4th fiddle to Hurling (greatest game on the planet), Gaelic Football and Association Football (Soccer)
Jeff Wilson doing his best to ignore the elephant in the room with New Zealand rugby is not going to help New Zealand rugby. We've seen game after game NZ players putting their heads and shoulders into the necks and heads of opposition players. We've seen NZ players cynically taking players out of tours with scandalous dirt plays like the infamous Umaga and Mealamu assault on Brian O'Driscoll. NZ are losing and will lose games now because they have a terrible thuggery problem. The only issue is that they are getting pinged for it now by referees. Oh and Jeff, Ireland BEAT New Zealand by playing better and cleaner rugby than NZ did. At no point in the game were NZ EVER in the lead. You were soundly beaten. If you want to play MMA rugby then bring it to the UFC or Bellator. It's a rugby pitch Jeff and it has rules; obey them or you're out of there.
Spot on Fella! Wilson's one of the worst apologists for Kiwi Thuggery! They've got away with it for too long! And these "pundits" are only bitching and whining 'cos the AB's culture refuses to change! and they're paying for it!
Are you crazy? The AB's play to win, not to hurt. That head clash was an accident. Geoff Wilson was a great AB and holds the attitude that the AB's don't lose- because that's how they played. When the team YOU actually played for loses, let's see you stay completely neutral. Or just don't watch this show, and you can stay a happy winner. But keep commenting, and you just add to the fire- so I hope the AB's crunch the Irish because pricks like you just deserve it.
@@vagalN So was Umaga and Mealamu's assault of BO'D an accident too? No. If you recall the Stockdale try we beat NZ with in the Guinness Series(2018), Dane Coles takes out Johnny whilst he's eating his half-time orange, after getting the ball away to Bundee to pass to Stockdale. Codie Taylor stuck his shoulder into Johnny and got a yellow in November 2021. Serial thuggery from New Zealand. Like Tana Umaga said after he and Mealamu got away with their assault, "it's not tiddlywinks" and it isn't UFC either lads, it's rugby. If you can't or won't play by the rules you're going to get pinged. Perhaps relay that information to Jeff Wilson so he doesn't go all suk on us about NZ players getting walked for thuggery.
@@ciaranoconnor4027 take a chill pill. Every team has thugs in it- Coles and Scot Barrett for example. But even your tailsman O'Mahony does the dirty sometimes. You are a sore winner mate. Get over it. I hope the AB's grind the hell out of your team now. Irish team are a good team, too bad some of their fans can't accept a win.
When they are talking about the 20 min red card. I kind of agree and disagree: Agree as if it's not a voluntary punch or head butt, collision while 2 players are genuily contesting for the ball. Disagree as in a late tackle, a spear tackle or a delibarate punch. So it's kind of hard actually
The problem with Red Cards going into a RWC is that referees who have no choice to issue them will probably try evening up the contest given the scrutiny of RWC. If a NH team is knocked out due to a Red Card watch the calls for a 20 minute red cards in 2024.
Not necessarily - one home loss each to NZ and SA does not mean the end of their abilities, despite both wins by the visiting team being 100% deserved. Speaking of Ireland though, I see that the IRU or Andy Farrell or whoever has very cleverly set up this tour with a view to breaking their QF hoodoo at RWC next year. That was a good move!
At the end of the day Ireland should have put far more points on the board, it took two yellows and a red for them to win the game.. simple truth, next week will be interesting, ABs cannot break through Irish defence which is very clear for all to see
I believe you are missing the point. Ireland would have won regardless of the cards. Their defense was way better than the ABs as well as the scrums, lineouts, rucks and air balls. They dominated every aspect of the game. Probably, like you are saying, one gets the feel that they should have scored more points, probably. But ultimately, they would have won regardless. The ABs were relaying purely on individual skills. You can pull that off against most teams, certainly not against top 5 teams these days.
@@mauroger86 possible yes they may has still won, but they should have cleaned the ABs up big time on the back of a red two yellows and Ardie missing 40mins.. fact
@@shane-irish maybe maybe not.. Saturday will be a big sign, if Ireland win and both teams play 15/15 we can confidently say Ireland is the better side.. its that simple
The first test Ireland got held up on many occasions if those did not happen it would be very close, yes give credit to All Blacks for defense but there is always luck and skill involved so I new Ireland could win.
"You can't say it was a fair fight, because it wasn't 15 on 15" ???? What is this drivel haha And generally I love listening to NZ analysts etc. as they are normally so knowledgeable and interesting re. rugby, especially the commentators who are probably amongst the least biased and most knowledgeable international rugby commentators around right now. Both teams stepped out to play the same game and within that game are a set of rules and punishments for breaking them, which are just as much a part of the game as a pass or a sidestep. Break the rules, get punished. NZ deservedly received their yellows and red and were lucky not to lose another 7 points to a penalty try. The Maori ABs were awarded a penalty try for an identical infringement yesterday vs. Ireland, which should prove that point easily enough. Not sure what the man's problem is but he seems hell bent on making sure everybody knows NZ lost players during the game, and inferring and at times saying outright basically, that that negates the victory or cancels it out. Ireland won and deserved to. NZ won the previous week and deserved to. Sure, talk about the card incidents and how they affected the game etc., but going by this guy's attitude, a yellow or red card in a game should just mean the game is called off and plated at a later date so it can be 15 on 15. Maybe he is just a proud NZer and doesn't like admitting his team deserved to lose, but he should try open be a bit more objective. His shtick in this video is basically - "Ireland are a world class side, and we know they are (basically saying this to try and make it seem like he isn't taking away from ireland). But this wasn't fair because we got a player red carded and two others yellow carded".
If the all blacks expect to not get penalised for all the illegal things they do every match, then when they get a ref who has the strength to make those calls correctly then they are going to lose almost everytime.
I have been critical of foz, I haven’t liked the ABs style of attack and the fact that get can’t seem to figure out the NH style of attack in defence. The second phase of Ireland attack really seems to be troubling the AB defence BUT can people kind of look at the context of the game … the ABs had 3 players carded in that match and lost by 11 points. These blokes can say that doesn’t matter but it absolutely does.
Yeah three All Blacks sent off, one with a red card. They were very lucky they didn't lose a second player to a red card, and they were also lucky they didn't have a penalty try awarded against them when Ringrose was brought down off the ball. Count your blessings the score line was as it ended - you might have been really embarrassed. Well done Ireland, you're a pure class team.
@@zabaleta66 we should have but we didn’t … that’s the whole point of what I’m saying. The allblacks were never really in the game once the cards began happening but they put pressure on Ireland in spots and also had their opportunities and couldn’t capitalise. Ireland were the better team, no doubt .. but the fact that people gloss over the fact that the ABs didn’t just have a red, they had 2 yellows and messed up and accidentally had their best player come off … for the whole game. Those things 100% impacted their game. If the ABs can keep 15 on the field and hold on to the ball on maybe 2-3 occasions where we carelessly dropped it … the game could have been different.
@@celticlofts yeah .. but Ireland played against 12 men with uncontested scrums at one point of the game and the ABs stuffed up and had one of the best players in world rugby off the field for the majority of the game, so the opportunities to pile on the points where absolutely there. Ireland were the better team, I’m not disagreeing with that … but I’m also not agreeing with the fact that having 3 players carded in one match didn’t matter, because it 100% did.
As an AB fan abroad, my observation is that the pack has declined from the time Carter left the team, down to the the disastrous test in France. This past weekend, ABs left the whole middle open, with Cane as an example, missing a critical tackle in the first few minutes that led to that early try. I don't think the outcome would have been very different with 15 per side. Ireland also pushed ABs back in the first test every time they phased from the 22 to the goal line. At this time, I must say that ABs do not have the personnel to upgrade their front two rows. They also cannot drive up the middle to gain enough meters to open up to the outside. What ABs need to win is a Kiwi version of Lord Humungus.
@@malp4650 No, he's right. I said this a good couple of years ago when SA won in Wellington that cracks were appearing in the All Blacks; I was shouted down by NZ fans for my troubles lol. They have simply never managed to replace the quality of McCaw, Carter, Nonu or C Smith. Or Read, who left a few years later. Dan Carter retired *seven* years ago and they still have not found a replacement 10 to fill his shoes, Ioane and Havilii are no match for Nonu/ Smith, in fact I often wonder why Havilii is even there, and I am not even a Kiwi.... I would have Ardie in any side I picked but he is more of a replacement for Read than for McCaw and certainly can't do both roles. Akira was good tonight but that is the exception, not the rule and Cane is nowhere. Your tight 5 clearly does not dominate any more and are bullied more often than not. Then there is your coach.....
This Jeff dude is making up every excuse in the book to NZ lost because they got red carded and got 2 yellows letting to Ireland winning by luck. If this was the rugby panel I was forced to watch. I wouldn't be watching. Can't be honest in defeat and got to make up reasons that NZ lost. Not because Ireland were the better team, but because NZ got unlucky there dirty play got caught and dealt with.
The All Blacks will be coming back stronger after that surprising loss in Dunedin, they usually do and the same thing will happen to the other SANZAAR teams.
80% of NZ Rugby players in a recent study admitted to cheating in every game the All Blacks have ever played and won. The other 20%...were lying. As a New Zealander this is a SHOCKING STATISTIC!!!
I wouldn't be so quick to praise Ben o Keeffe, I believe he's a big reason why our boys struggle to adjust, jaco pepper applies World rugby rules, Black & white, (respectfully). You don't always get that with NZ superrugby ref's, which really makes things cloudy with regards to ill-discipline. It appears Our guys found it difficult to adapt to the interpretations but for Ireland, it was just another day, European referees don't blurr the line, it's straight down the middle with them, anyway.. 1 each , Go my all blacks but I'll be happy for Ireland if they win.
True. From the bit of SRP that I watched this year, I saw a distinct trend of referees wanting the game to flow rather than the laws being accurately applied. Around the world we hear people talk of whistle-happy referees ruining games, but if a referee blows his whistle every 20 seconds because players are cocking it up that often, then he is doing his job correctly and we, NZ public included, need to blame the players for that, not the referee.
Used to love this show but as an Irishman this tour has opened my eyes to the bigotry and ignorance of the NZ media. How on earth do they not know the rules of the game? Not a fair fight ? We scored both our tries with equal men on the pitch. We were disciplined and got a yellow ourselves. I watched the maoiri game and couldn’t believe the laws being made up by the NZ commentators
Who's the bald plonker? Keep your discipline and you'll keep 15 on the pitch. Lucky it wasn't 13 (and 12 when contested scrums happened). Stop the thuggery when under pressure, just play fast skills rugby, whip it wide to your backs - Ioane etc and nobody can live with you. Please next week - nz - bring your skills, not thuggery.
The all blacks were never in the game , regardless of red cards or yellow , They put way too much pressure on the all Blacks which made them create read cards and Yellow cards
Whenever the ABs lose they blame themselves and say they have not performed. To us in the Northern Hemisphere it sounds like arrogance , as if they are are incapable of saying anything other than that the opposition are a 'good ' side , but no one SHOULD ever beat NZ because they are the best. Its both a strength to think like this and a weakness. Its a strength because it shows a relentless commitment to standards, but it can be a weakness when the chips are down . If Ireland are in front with 10 minutes to go next weekend then we will see the ABs throwing the kitchen sink at them, but at the same time the black players will be thinking : 'what is the matter with us ? Why are we failing ? and 'my god the country is going to be hating on us when we lose ' .
As a South African I agree with you- they are still the toughest team to beat especially in their own backyard it is almost impossible- congrats to Ireland to have done that regardless of the red card
It's a Kiwi show, our focus is on our football! We give credit where it's due, then move on to what our audience want to see....which is the AB's, good or bad!
more a strength than a weekness I feel. Maybe that's why the all blacks have the best winning percentage of all time?? but I hear ya that they might not be looking inwards enough. I think the players without a doubt will be. they know the history of the black jersey and know that if they lose this that they are probably a part of the worst all black team in history. I think the pressure from the nz public has been the difference world wide over the years. We demand the all blacks to win. Not just to turn up and get a participation medal. I remember Jonah once saying before stepping out on the pitch I'm ready to die in this jumper.Might sound grim but I think that drive all stems from the publics expectation on the players.
The AB's got lucky. Let me explain. During the period of uncontested scrums they should have had an extra player OFF the pitch. Luckily Jaco Pyper is a poor referee
It’s simple. Ian foster needs to go. He hasn’t brought anything to the game plan of the all blacks. Scott Robinson needs to come into the fold otherwise we will loose him. Just like Dave Reni wake up NZRU Ian needs to go. First France now Ireland. 15 months out and We have a big problem.
im not gonna bother watching this video but its simple all footy games are decided by the forward packs eyes up footy is different cos when you run the ball forwards dont know where the break down will happen so as forwards you would use a basketball play known as zone who ever is close to the break down is the support if you run set plays ala brumbies gregan era its different cos as a forward you know where the next break down will be in the past 2 irish tests the all blacks forwards have been beaten to their own break down so either they dont know whats going on passion is lacking or no1 in the pack is carrying the legacy like richie did that is the problem fix it!!!! irish are playing strong zone because they are on defense when they beat us to our breakdown
The red cards are a joke and need to be sorted. It was never intentional and should be looked at in that light. Ps England fan and not an AB fan. I say this because it is ruining competitive Rugby everywhere.
@@kistingatuhyxz2634 Cane was actually more aggressive with his efforts. He hit the rucks harder, had more tackles per 80, basically applied himself himself more. I was rooting for Dalton but he thoroughly disappointed me. Him and Tupaea are my biggest let downs
