The Butterfly Keyboard is dead! But are they worth it in 2020? 

What do you guys think? Is the butterfly keyboard as bad as it's made out to be? Are you planning on getting the new 2020 13" MacBook Pro? Also, don’t forget you can get 70% off NordVPN! Only $3.49/mo, plus you get an additional month FREE at nordvpn.com/lukemiani or use coupon "LukeMiani"

2020 Apple made a working keyboard - crowd goes crazy...

Until this very moment, I thought Luke's last name was Miami.

So I bought the 2019 13 inch 256 gig MacBook Pro in November, and the E and shift key we’re just not clicking. And I could feel the switch broken because it felt as if there was a crumb in it. Anyway, I took it to the Apple store in December and during that time they had a program or something so they gave me an entirely new MacBook and I was like okay thank you, then they were like “oh we’re not done yet, we still owe you 215 bucks” and so they gave that to me and it left me in shock and I bought me some new AirPods Pro’s lol.

Pretty much "it is horrible, but it is really not that bad. Just horrible."

I cleaned out my keyboard yesterday... 4 goldfish. It's incredible how quickly the buggers get in there

Just uncovered this channel, love the vidoes.

I don’t understand why so many people hate the feel of it. I actually liked typing on it and I never had a problem with the keys

8:11 that was some awesome ASMR too. Thank you again for doing a "keyboard sound demonstration" and without talking over it. I have begged all other big youtubers to do this when they review new macs laptops. Some of us out here find this very useful and important.

Hey man love your video’s, helped me get my first MacBook pro

I actually love the feel of the 2019 butterfly keyboard after using it in the store for a few minutes. Unpopular opinion, but I vastly prefer it to my 2014 Macbook Air keyboard - it was instantly much faster and more satisfying to type on. Anecdotal evidence tells me that reliability is better than older generations, too - so my next computer will probably have a 4th gen butterfly keyboard!

Thanks for covering all questions i had on my head

Thanks Luke!

Perfect video at the perfect time! Really what I needed, thanks!!

Love your videos! Watching you from Mexico :D

You;ve just answered my question! Thank you!! Saved me eons of searching :)

I’m in the minority of people who enjoy the butterfly keyboard Bought a 2019 MacBook Pro I enjoy the low key travel

I got the top case replacement (new membrane etc) on my 2017 MacBook... It has been amazing thus far!! I still like the loud clack and key travel of the butterfly. Everyone can hate all they want, but the keyboard is good

Even your selection of background music is perfect 👌🏻😍 if I plan to buy a MacBook I just buy the 16 inch MacBook Pro

Needed this video. Thank you. Subscribed

Thanks for this vid. Getting repeating keys and will try this on my 2018 MacBook Pro.

Love your videos luke

Another great Luke Miani video.

I have a 2018 MBP 13, and that keyboard has been fine for me. I like typing on both that and my early 2015 MBP 13, which was the last generation of normal scissor-switch keys. The typing experience for each one is different, but I tend to type more consistently smoothly on the butterfly keyboard.

Great video dude, I enjoyed it a lot. I don't plan to buy any computers with the butterfly keyboard. I am still using a wired keyboard on my computer because the feeling from these older keyboards is more solid then the newer keyboards. Glad the new MacBooks will all come with the new "Magic" keyboard. Thank you Luke for the work that you do.

Why do you have only 200k subs, you deserve way more with this quality!

2018 macbook air and i really like the keyboard, never had an issue with it, and i use and type on it every day.

I bought my 15" MacBook Pro in July of 2019 and have not had any major issues. Occasionally, some stuff gets under the keys and they don't click normally, but they get back to normal after some typical use. By far the best Mac I own. My brother on the other hand, went from a 12" MacBook, several keyboard replacements and full computer replacements to a 13" MacBook Pro in the process. It was a 2017 and had many issues and has lead Apple to give him a decently specced 2019 13" MacBook Pro which has been fine.

Thanks Luke for this video, but it was LATE 2015 when the butterfly keyboard was introduced. I was scared cuz I was planning on buying a 2015 MacBook and my cousin said they were introduced in 2016. He had to clear it up for me.

Great video bud!

Cool. I have no problems with my mbp 15 2018. It works well all this years. There some rules - don't buy anything after relise - wait for 2 mounts.

this is why I held off on getting any sort of MacBook but now that the 2020 MacBook Air is out I got it in gold and I love it.

i still have my 2016 13“ Macbook Pro with 1st gen Butterfly keys and never had any issues.

Well, i got a 2017 13in MacBook Pro (No Touchbar), but I got the keyboard and battery replaced last year after some keys stopped working. Laptop looks like new and even though the keyboard still feels kinda bad, it is working fine since a year and the new battery keeps up amazing!

I bought the absolute cheapest new MacBook Pro w/o touchbar in December 2016 because i got a really good deal on an open box. Honestly, I used that laptop daily for video and design for almost 3 years with no issue. Traveling thousands of miles across the U.S. and to Europe. I accidentally broke my keyboard later last year (honestly it was my fault) and Apple still replaced the upper and lower assembly for free. I loved that computer even for its flaws. I sold it to a friend and just bought the 16” pro. I can’t fully speak to their objective quality, but they have always taken care of me.

I just keep my 2011 13 inch macbook pro, it has a 1tb ssd, a new and good battery, 16gb of ram and i don't do anything demanding on that machine and it runs mojave (and is capable to run catalina as well thanks to dosdude) pretty well! So i do not need to upgrade any time soon, the dual core i5 in it is strong enough for day to day tasks, and that keyboard is wonderfull to type on, but if its time to buy a new one in the future, i will keep this awesome advice in mind! Thanks Luke!

Luke I enjoyed this re the Butter Keyboard fiasco, Have I been lucky I have an early 2015 13" matchbook retina and the screen is still superb.

I have a 2017 13" MBP and although I always hated typing on it because I just don't like the butterfly keyboard because of the short travel, I never had any issues with it actually functioning. But I disliked typing on it so much that I haven't used it very much and all but gave up on using a personal computer. I just bought a 2021 16" M1 MBP and it is a dream to use compared to that and I am so glad the scissor mechanism has returned.

Never had any issues with the butterfly keyboard. Have a 2016 13" as my personal macbook and a 2020 16" as my company-issued laptop and actually prefer the keyboard of my 2016 😅

I got a 2019 15" MBP and I love it. I can type faster on that keyboard than any other. I keep it clean and I have no issues. I also take it everywhere.

@LukeMiani should write a whole entire book of Macbook history including the change in specification, major problem/ complains and overall facts about each and every Macbook ever built. Pretty sure there would be money to come out of such a project!

Personally, I believe that if you have the 1st/2nd generation of the butterfly keyboard, then it is worth an upgrade. I have the 2019 model, and I have not have any trouble. I rather like the typing feel of it

I own a 12-inch 2015 gold MacBook and a 2017 MacBook Pro 13" without Touch Bar and I've never had any issues with the butterfly keyboards in the Macs I just mentioned. The only issue I've had was in the Magic Keyboard 2 where the ESC and 1 and 2 keys would stick.

I’m between the 15” 2019 mbp (for the smaller form factor) and 16” mbp (due to all the positive reviews) and this review really helped put things in perspective thank you! Would you recommend the 16” over the latest version of the 15”? Would you say its really that much better? Thanks!

I really wanted to see Luke's video before buying a used Mac. I wasn't really satisfied with what other people say about Macs cause I've been watching Luke from his early days. I will go for the 2018 or 2019 I guess

Got a 2019 MacBook Pro 13inch and actually love the keyboard. I swear the hole butterfly thing is overhyped by every RU-vidr just repeating what they heard from others.

the 2019 is the most reliable so far

I've got a 2015 12" Retina Macbook which I LOVE, and I (so far, knock on wood) haven't had that many issues with the keyboard. The keys that get stuck for me are the delete key, the power button, and "q." Whenever these keys get stuck I blow air on the area and then mash the key really hard over and over again until it's not stuck. In general I really don't hate this laptop at all, it's actually my favorite MacBook that Apple has come out with and I was so sad to see them discontinue it. At the hinge, it's only a hair thicker than my 2018 iPad Pro, and only weighs a little more. It was perfect for me as a daily driver because I have a huge gaming computer that I can't pack around. Also, the battery life on this thing even after 5 years is incredible.

I just switched from the 2019 macbook pro to an M1 macbook air. Honestly, i preferred the Butterfly keys. They were just more firm and solid IMO. And the clicking sound while typing was more satisfying

2018 MacBook Pro 13 Touch Bar here. Double-typing: letters R (sometimes), U (rarely), I (all the time). Space was also double-typing for about some time, but it got autohealed somehow :)

Awesome video, thank you, Luke! I had that patch-job silicone-skin covered butterfly keyboard MacBook Air 2019. I returned it after "typing" on it for 30 seconds! Like typing on a hardwood plank! That was January 2020. Today I received my refurbished M1 MacBook Air 2020 and it types like a dream! Better specs as well, obviously. P.S. You have really beautiful eyes! x

I bought used MacBook Pro 2017 15 inch a year ago (late April), been using it for a year and i don't have any keyboard problems, and i adjusted to the shallow keys and i love it. I wasn't protecting it from a dust, i use it normally. I'm glad that it was originally bought in October, 2018, so i still have 2,5 (it had 3,5 when i bought) years of keyboard replacement coverage. It was top of the line CTO with i7 3.1Ghz (7920HQ), 16GB of RAM, Radeon Pro 560 GPU and 1TB SSD for $1900 with very light signs of wear. Honestly, apart for barely chipped left corner of display casing, and small scratches on the bottom of laptop and charger, it's like new. It came with original packaging and with Limited Warranty until late October, 2019 (as i said, i bought it on late April, 2019, so it has already ended by now).

If you're really desperate to save that 200 dollars on the refurb, go for the 2019 "3.5" gen Butterfly with the material change, nothing else. There's some things I do miss about butterfly though, the keys each having individual LEDs rather than a light bleeding mesh under them looked more premium.

I'm late to the party but I had a 2018 MBA with the repeating key issue that of course became intolerable during the pandemic (which made repair quite difficult). I traded it in to Apple for $520 and purchased the M1 MBP base model. Worth it alone for the keyboard.

Picked up my late 2019 13" base brand new through the Apple education store for $999. Pretty happy with the price, and performance but the 128gb storage is tight. But new ones now come with 256gb FINALLY so I would recommend upgrading storage first.

love vids waching from italy continue whith videos !!!!!!

Macbook Air 2019, I love the keyboard, so far no issues.

No issues with the keyboard on my old 2015 MacBook, or any of the MBPs I have owned since then. Just lucky, I guess. I really like my 2019 13" MBP.

I am happy with the Magic keyboard in my M1 Macbook Pro. By the way, I like the wallpaper on the 13" Macbook Pro on your left.

Hey Luke! I'm thinking of getting a new MacBook Air with magic keyboard. I'm wondering if the keyboard feels anything like the old design MacBook air (with giant side bezels, 2010-2017 models).

I have had my 2017 13" MacBook Pro for 3 years now and I've never had a problem with anything on the laptop

i'm one of the lucky people to still be having a 2016 macbook that never had anything stuck. i use a keyboard cover most of the time tho unless im writing a paper where i need those satisfying clicks. typing on my 2016 vs on my sister's air 2019 is a different experience. it actually clicks pretty well, just a shame that a lot of macs had dust stuck in them

It looks like I got lucky. I bought my Macbook Pro over 6 yrs ago before Apple switched to the Butterfly and it continues to work great. This is my first Macbook and I have never had a PC work so well this long. This wasn't a cheap laptop at all. I paid around $2000 for a CTO with 16GB RAM & i7 processor. I had to cheap out on the hard drive 256 and 13" screen. The 13" makes it extremely portable. Oh, I love the MagSafe connector. With two kids, it has saved my Mac on many occasions.

thank u man thats great

Personally, I don’t mind the Butterfly Keyboard. I have the 2019 MacBook Air and had one issue with it in a period of 8 months. The issue actually happened last week when my right shift key and my space bar stopped working. I immediately requested a repair and from the time they received it to the time I got it back, it was 34 hours. Now my keyboard is completely fine! Even in wake of COVID-19, they were so fast!

Hey luke nice video, I have a question, is it possible to exchange my MacBook Pro 13 inch butterfly key board with a new MacBook Pro 13 inch magic keyboard?

I have the 2018 13' pro model and it is amazing, the processor, the graphics, and the keyboard. I have never had any problem with its keyboard till now and it's going to be 12 months now. It is the same as new. I love typing on this one as it gives ASMR (I can swear on that). People just need to take a bit of care of the gadgets that literally serve them. Even if you don't get enough time to clean your MacBook, you can still avoid dust or spilling over cheetos on the keyboard!!

There are so many revisions of the butterfly keyboard that it is difficult to talk about them (other than the discussion of reliability, which none of them were great with). I recently had the battery in my 2017 retina MacBook replaced, which generally also means they also replace the keyboard which they did (which was a good thing as the enter key was malfunctioning). My 2017 rMB originally had the second generation butterfly keyboard, which was different from the first generation on the premier (2015) retina MacBook, both of which were different in design from the various iterations used on the MacBook Pros. The keyboard that came back on my 2017 retina MacBook after service is vastly different than the keyboard it originally had...I assume this is the third generation design with the silicone layer as it is quieter and less mechanical-clicky-like. And this is of course going to be different from the third and fourth generation versions found on the 13/15 MacBook Pros...and the feel on the various MacBook versus MacBook Pro butterfly keyboards is also different. Overall, it's a hot mess, as none of them achieved the reliability of the original design they replaced. The bottom line is that these units are not very easy to service, but the butterfly keyboard mechanism is not reliable. I bought my retina MacBook expecting to have to eventually replace the keyboard, and luckily this replacement was covered by Apple. I've been delighted with this MacBook and love the form factor, but the keyboard is its weakness and something all buyers should be aware of. If you buy any Apple portable with the butterfly mechanism, assume you will eventually have to shell out the $200-250 bucks to replace it (in which case you get a new battery). If you are debating the current MBP/MBA with the scissor mechanism versus a refurb Apple portable with the butterfly mechanism, I suggest spending a little more now to get the current version with the scissor mechanism, because whatever you save otherwise will eventually be offset when you have to replace the butterfly keyboard on the older model, and this way you avoid the hassle. The butterfly keyboard mechanism will go down as one of the greatest self-inflicted failures by such a powerful company, and an example of how a wildly successful and capable company was unable to anticipate high failure rates, and was unable to fix the core problem despite multiple attempts. It's Apple's New Coke.

I have MBP with butterfly keyboard back from 2018. It had issues with the keyboard. However, since I used the warranty Apple fixed it for me and I have no issues with it.

IDK, but i really really like the butterfly keyboard (2018) No issues on my end

I have the Early 2019 MBP, having it for almost a year, the keyboard is not bad, though not very good. But I haven't have any problem with it just yet.

Honestly 2018 and 2019 MacBooks after they added that silicone protective mesh under they key caps seem to work very well. My 15” 2018 MacBook Pro still works great

Got the 2018 15-inch couple of months ago. The price was right and it comes with Apple Care until August 2021.

Where did you get those wallpapers? Love the colour scheme

I mostly use mouse as I m into 3d work... but whenever I used my 2019 MacBook Pro keyboard I never had issues nor I hate to use it ... I think they have improved butterfly keyboard by 2019 as I’m using it .

I am still trying to get my 2019 MBP keyboard properly fixed, but at this point I just want them to replace it with a 2020 because the last time it was in to get "repaired" they just took off the key caps and blew air under them to dislodge dirt. The fact that almost every key is fucking up is shite and needs to be fixed.

Now I’m frustrated because last year I bought an early 2015 13inch rMBP (pre butterfly kb) as a used computer because I needed to replace my OG 15inch rMBP from 2012. I refused to buy a butterfly equipped mbp. I wish Apple had addressed this issue a lot sooner.

got me a 2019 base 13" for 800. am very happy with my purchase

The best contemporary Macintosh channel imo. Clicked immediately

In fact I think the form factor of the 12' is the best in terms of the portability. It is thin and light. I hope they can publish sth like 12' or 11' MBA in the future.

Hi Luke. Love the content and thanks I find all the information useful. I know that the crowd here is going to jump all over this but I have both the 2019 13 inch MacBook Pro (for work)and just got the 2020 13 inch MacBook Pro (same specs and for personal use).... I am going to say that I prefer the 3rd/4th gen BF keyboard to type one...feel better to me than the 2020 magic keyboard...had no issues with my 2019 and have used it daily..... thinking ill replace the 2020 for another 2019....let me know your thoughts...

I got a 2019 pro on a very good deal from a friend and honestly? I like the keyboard. I do have long nails so i tend to type with the pads of my fingers, but I like the keyboard. I probably wouldn’t get anything older than a 2019 unless you’re buying it directly from Apple so you get the full 4 years of keyboard support, but I put a cover on mine and haven’t had any issues.

The best keyboard on a Macbook that I've ever used was on my 2017 Macbook Air. I deferred upgrading until Apple ditched the butterfly keyboard, and just got a 16" MB Pro. But I like the old Air keyboard better...

im using a 2017 MacBook Pro pro that was refurbished by the backmarket and it still really good they replaced the keyboard and it feels amazing

I actually have had zero issues with my 2019 MacBook Pro and type the crap out of it and tbh I actually have grown to like the keys. Although with shortcuts and the Touch Bar I barley need to use it.. I’ll keep it for a while.

I've never had an issue (thankfully), have a 2016 12" Macbook and it's keyboard feels like new, it doesn't get used heaps and even when it is being used it's about 5% email, 95% content consumption. 2019 MBP 13" keyboard feels great to me, although it's docked 99% of the time so I don't give it much reason to ever fail.

I'm waiting until lockdown in the UK is over to get mine replaced.. had problems for ages with mine (2018 13" MBP w/ touch bar) let's hope it's not long because my caps lock and space bar keys are being soo annoying :/ (have a double typing space bar yaaaay) EDIT: lol typed this before you said people would in the video 😂

I had the original retina. I didn't hate the travel if only the keys actually worked. The space key went to the grave and the o and I typed at least 5 with each tap. I swapped to a Dell ( never again) and have been waiting for Apple to fix the keyboard issue before coming back.

I have used two macbooks from school for music, and I remember prefering the old one because it had a better feeling keyboard.

This video is so spot on Luke especially regarding avoiding ALL 12 inch models, couldn’t agree more - as a reseller I got a great deal on a 2016 m7 500GB MacBook which looked near brand new - paid just £270 without a charger. I wanted to like it, i really did, but I just couldn’t. Hated the keyboard from the off and hilariously underpowered + the constant worry that it would cook itself to death or have a failed USB-C ruined it for me sold on a week later. It’s amazing how many immaculate but stone dead 12 inch MacBooks are out there already.

I have 2017 12" x 2 MB, 13" MBP x 1 and none of them have issues. I'm waiting for new 16" MBP with WiFi 6 and better camera.

Was the replacement made while your macbook is still in warranty? If yes, do you think they will replace it if it is out of warranty? Thanks

the only macbook i have is the one im typing this on a 2008 plastic macbook C2D still a decent machine in 2020 so long as you are ok with mac osx 10.7 its fast .

Luke new 13 inch model review sooooon :)

Still own the 2016 13’ MacBook Pro TB. I put a keyboard cover on it day one. The keys still works. The battery bricked....

ngl i love the sound of it and ive never used a mac book :(

What about the 2019 16inch MacBook Pro? I have 4 keys that have stopped working completely and this is even with the Scissor Mechanism that it has. Any suggestions?

How did you change that many laptops with the butterfly keyboard during this time i cant understand... i have a macbook 15inch 2016 with the original keyboard and works fine, and i also had a 2018 15inch and worked fine for 1 year, when i sold it for a 2019 16 inch... and still works at the new owner....

I used the 2015 MacBook every day for a couple years as a second hand computer. Love it because it’s super thin and light, but I hate that keyboard. I actually love the MacBook Pro keyboard though. To me it feels super snappy that the magic keyboard doesn’t really have for me

Luke I have a 2016 MacBook Pro 15-inch that I purchased in 2017 with AppleCare+. So far (crossing fingers) I have not had any problems with the keyboard. I take VERY good care of my Macs. My question is, should I try to sell it now while it is still under warranty or keep it and wish for the best? Thanks!