Second movie: Same average teen but this time he’s the chosen one, must save world with alien vehicles and hot girlfriend by his side. It’s so interesting how in retrospect, you can see the movies that were affected by the writers strike in late 2000s.
I think by the Last Knight, it was too late for the Bay-verse. Too many people were sick of how the movies were directed and the promise of Unicron was to never be. I understand people got into this franchise thanks to these films, but personally, it feels like the transformers are secondary in their own franchise! Too much human factor in the plot, not enough screen time for the Cybertronians as a whole.
@@Chaosisaladder2018 There's way too many unique designs that stand out more than the film designs. However, I will say the live action films do have their fans, and are equally welcomed into the world of Transformers; though they differ, they are as unique as any other design in this nearly 40 year old franchise!
Everything was until the last knight. I think what went wrong in the last knight was bee being able to talk, the whole knight thing, and the thing on kade’s arm (forgot the name).
The sad part is the transformers could 100% support a shared universe. The Dinobots, combiners aerialbots, technobots, and protectobots), beast wars, colony worlds, and groups under other leaders (rodimus, star saber, fortress Maximus) and others could all support their own film franchises. Imagine a lost light movie, one about the dinobots, one set on Cadmus, a top gun style movie set on cybertron staring the aerial bots, and one set on velocitron starting hotshot and energon characters. Then the big avengers style threat is unicorn. I’d watch that.
@@Vigriff 100% agree and I think it has potential, after all the transformers franchise is big enough to be its own cinematic universe like DC or marvel, they could do sooooo much with shattered glass and can offer new spins and personality with existing characters as well and just overall leaves the door open to tell brand new story's they've never done before and keeps the franchise fresh and new if you know what I mean. The last time we've seen Beast Wars was in the 1990s, now Hasbro and Paramount is giving Beast wars the spotlight in rise of the Beast and gave them their rise and shine in Transformers kingdom so it is entirely possible that Hasbro and Paramount can somehow implement shattered glass into Transformers if they did it with Beast wars Edit: And speaking of this new movie, if this movie is successful than this won't be the last time we see Beast Wars.
@@Sharkwhispereryeah but transformers has certainly evolved in terms of the kids factor. And idk about you but I think that’s what most of the transformers fans like. It’s not really often you see kids THESE days take a pure liking to the classic TF stuff. Now it’s the new movies, or the iterations that made it feel like a war. The IDW comics, the cybertron games, the prime show, all of the stuff got pretty dark and edgy and that’s what fans kind of like about it.
Transformers lends itself so well to a cinematic universe. A wreckers film A drift empire of stone film Lost light Dark Cybertron The universe is so big with stories that span so many worlds and able to give characters who don't appear in the main film like Springer, Kup, Nightbeat
@@maximusprime4314 Rodimus and his wacky space crew that include, Ratchet, Ultra magnus, Skids, Drift and all the b list characters going on space adventures to find the knights of cybertron with Everything that can go wrong, does go wrong. Also megatron uses a loophole and joins the crew for awhile as they battle the djd (Tarn from Legacy)
This is something I've said since the first TF movie: if they were going to involve the military in the story then why not have it be the unofficial origin/formation of GI Joe. Lennox would have been Duke or Hawk and the team could have been codenamed at the end which then would have led to the GI Joe film franchise launching with Bay at the helm, which would have fit his style better than TF. The TF franchise would then find another director and possibly a better overall story arc throughout the films.
Cobra’s origins in the comics of being a charismatic leader that used a town that was under economic issues would work as well, due to so much conflict between the cybertronians fighting and destroying cities and towns
On flip side, no matter what issues people may have with the Bayfilms, it revived the popularity of Transformers and brought them to a new generation of fans.After I watched the movie, I had so many memories come pouring back , as I looked through the wiki and rewatched old episodes of the show. My fandom had been reborn like a phoenix. I was at first very skeptical of the idea of a live action transformers film, but when the first trail rolled out, I never ate my words harder than that moment. My inner 5 year old was completely on board as it captured that part of me. Which meant I had to take my outer 5 year old along, my nephew. The scene when the Autobots come to Earth is just perfect. It makes me feel so many things, as everything about, the visuals, the music it just works. Half way through the movie my nephew turned to me and thanked me for taking him along before the movie was even over. It was something we bonded over. So for that I grateful that the bayfilms happened even if they never quite reached the pinnacle of film making we'd always wished they could have. (I'm also eternally grateful neither my niece or nephew opted to ask me to address what Sam's happy time was after the movie hehe.)
I personally feel there was a HUGE missed opportunity to further utilize and develop Chicago past the third film. Here's how I would have done it: the fourth movie would have focused on Chicago being rebuilt with help from the Autobots, and by the fifth movie, the city will have been completely rebuilt and upgraded with advanced Cybertronian technology, and there are now large cybetronian towers and buildings risning high into the rebuilt skyline, and by this point, the entire city is now almost completely powered by Energon. This newly rebuilt Chicago would then be rechristened: Autobot City.
I personally think the way you could add Transformers to old times is by placing it in a separate continuity. Like in Hearts of Steel, it’s like, what if the Autobots and Decepticons fought in the 19th century and turned into trains? What if the Autobots and Decepticons landed on earth during the late 40s and early 50s (my favourite). These ideas would be cool for a full comic series, book series, or a show because we get to see how they would react to that time.
Thankfully not only is Rise Of The Beasts a great film all around, but it also put the Transformers universe in a good spot for a cinematic universe. Not only that but Transformers One will be now be the next film in this continuity which I am very excited for.
YES! Like how Wahlburg wasn't in a new house paid for by Stanley Tucci and there was no mention of the Seed. I always felt in the sequel to TLK, the autobots would battle Unicron and Optimus would shove the Seed directly into Unicron's mouth. I was actually hoping, when I heard the new one was gonna be called Rise of the Beasts, that it was gonna be a sequel to TLK and have Unicron rising to the Earth's surface, but no. I still hate that TLK left the story on a cliffhanger that will never be finished.
@@CarlyCatharsis But the 4th and 5th films have left a VERY heavy stain on the franchise. ROTB is gonna have to go HARD if it wants to get the TF franchise back on its glorious metal feet.
@@jacobm8906 Admittedly, it was strange to have Optimus to have an ENTIRELY new body to look more like a knight, but it was interesting, nonetheless. I honestly liked seeing his battle mask come up. Galvatron was quite expected. The only times we didn't get a Galvatron was in Prime and the Cyberverse series that came out. But we're talking about AOE. His design, the way he transformed, the way he was taking control of what was supposed to be a simple drone. Now, here's my big question. I can understand how they might be able to implement Transformium into basic, everyday materials, being just metal at that point, but, how did they power them? After all, like Starscream said back in Prime when he was helping Silas, only to get screwed over in the end, he said, "A T-cog is not technology. It is BIOLOGY." He then uses a bit of his Energon on this drone and it almost came to life before Bumblebee broke its head with something that he threw. So what are they using? Do they have a source of Energon that they're using? Questions that I've had for a while and that have resurfaced overtime. I could understand Megatron's willpower being enough, but how? They had to have had gathered the Energon somehow
@@Daniel-sx6vc I mean, the only rocky thing about it was the knights. It still worked, but that's about it. My other comment is just little things about how the "drones" work, specifically, how they're powered
I fell in love with Transformers in 2007 with the first movie. Years later, in the middle of my teen years, a way to watch G1 came to me and I watched it like religiously. A few years after that, I found a site that let me watch more Transformers shows. All while waiting for more movies. By this point, I had already watched the first 3. I watched AOE and I liked it. Not the best, but I was hyped to see what this particular incarnation of Galvatron could do. Then TLK came out. The amount of disappointment when Megatron came back. I was confused, by that choice. And the trailers made it seem like Nemesis was just an evil version of Optimus, which is how he was always portrayed as, even Armada's version was just some mindless shape-shifter, but it took the whole team to take that beast down. When I realized it was just a Dark Energon infusion of some kind, I was severely disappointed. I've watched it a handful of times after that and then just stopped paying attention. Now, that's not saying I didn't like the few new characters that showed up, because I honestly loved them. Sure, the knock off Suicide Squad character intros was pushing it, but they made it work. Nitro Zeus made his way into my top 10 favorite bots. And, I'm gonna be honest, they didn't have to kill off Onslaught like that. They did him dirty. For years, Onslaught was a brutal and a smart warrior. One of the more durable ones too. Wasn't he the leader of the Combaticons, or was that Brawl?
There was a Transformers comic series called Hearts of Steel that took place in a steampunk / victorian version of Earth. Bumblebee and Optimus Prime turned into steam trains and Starscream turned into the Leonardo Da Vinci Ornithopter. And historical and folktale figures like Nikola Tesla and John Henry made appearances in the book. So that victorian Transformers film could've been an adaptation of Hearts of Steel or at least inspired by it.
There are so many things you can do with a Transformers Cinematic Universe. You could have some films about the war on Cybertron You could have films like Bumblebee, with the first contact with humans. You could have the Qunitessons be introduced as threat from the shadows or something similar. So many cool ideas. Lets hope that the new universe Bumblebee and ROTB created lives long and is well written.
That Romeo and Juliet law scene still to this day baffles me. Instead of more character development with the Transformers, that's what the focus was on...
@@Ice-tc5vn Did You NOT Read The Credits in Bumblebee, Along with ROTB... Bay & His Sane Old Production Crew From 1st 4 Films ARE STILL INVOLVED. Oh & MOST Of The CGI Was Done By DigitalDomain; Bay's Company!
It still makes me sad that the Bayverse Was really treated like shit, and that we never got a proper conclusion to it, but as i am older now i can understand why it needed to be done. looking back at it i wish they had at least left out the Creators thing in AOE and had it as just humans working with lockdown to hunt down all Cybertronians, while megatron rises as Galvatron and the film proceeds as normal. After the allspark was made as a side experiment for the quintessons And for TLK, i wish they didn’t retcon their arrival to earth, and Unicron was something separate the Quintessons created which went rouge and was shut down and in Stasis became earth, with the movies proceeding as normal, just without the bad retcons (at least that wouldn’t have retconned the Allspark Story from TF1 and The Comics) I also wished that they treated most of the character with a little more respect like The Dinobots having a slightly bigger role in TLK and Barricade at least going Round 2 with Bee, and at least keeping Galvatron, but as tlk megatron with a slight purple tint. But its already too late for the bayverse, and since were now it a Reboot saga, The bayverse is officially dead. But im curious to see what the new films have in store for the Franchise now, since ROTB looks promising
@@novustalks7525 it's not the same, bumblebee is a reboot. Blitzwing ripping out bumblebee's voice box when transformers beginnings established megatron as the culprit is one of the biggest contradictions that doesn't help bumblebee as a prequel. It's a reboot and hasbro confirmed it
@@novustalks7525 transformers beginnings was a prequel comic intended for the first movie and had a motion comic attached to the blu ray. Bumblebee isn't a prequel if it's flat out contradicting the comic. Also bay can't even keep track of his own lore when lore wasn't on his mind so what on earth are you saying with that false claim?. Bay didn't mind any comics or games associated with the movies as long as they didn't spoil anything which is why he was upset when the tf3 comic and game spoiled some things for tf3.
I really wish they followed Age Of Extinction better. I know it wasn’t widely loved. But after not seeing AOE for many years, I was rewatching all the transformers movies and was like “oh great, the fourth one. This one sucks.” But after watching it again for the first time in a long time. I really enjoyed it. I was hyped, excited and ready for what was next. Then I remembered The Last Knight was the next movie. I understand AOE had issues, but I really enjoyed it coming in with a fresh mindset.
Not every franchise has to be cinematic universe. I don't think transformers would make a good cinematic universe to begin with. I'm glad they scrapped the bayverse and it's inconsistent plot.
My guy the IDW comics were a entire universe themselves along with MANY of the transformers shows that had their own continuities. Even godzilla was a cinematic universe and he was doing it before marvel even thought of the idea. Transformers can work as a cinematic universe with the right direction
Maybe if Michael Bay had more consistency in storylines, he would have more fans. However, I would've rewarded him and the animators with visual effects. Imagine how hard it is to transform the characters.
Michael Bay reminds me of watching small children trying to write an original story. You usually end up with 12 pages of explosion drawn on them with crayons.
I will miss Bayverse😭😭😭😭. Seriously i don't know if i will love a transformers universe like him, specially the design. Yes i know he had many flaws, but i will miss him hard😭😍
@@kiwigaming09well yeah, they were attempting to connect it to Bayverse which already established enough stuff. I think a WW2 movie can work if its done right and is set in its own universe.
I feel like the Bayverse had run it's course by the 3rd film. They basically worked out the formula by Revenge of the Fallen, and kept making the same movie over and over. A past event dealing with transformers on earth is revealed, we return to the present and the heroes learn of a new plot device that is connected to these past events , the Decepticons get the mcguffin and all things seem lost. Prime or someone gives a speech and then we have a big fight at the end where majority of the bad guys get torn to be pieces. Rinse and repeat. The series needed a change in leadership and direction because it became clear this package I mentioned above was all Bay was ever going give us. The biggest issue is they kept just drilling further and further backwards with the events making so basically everything in human history involves transformers, which makes the entire first film nuts that anyone would be surprised by their existence. The continuity collaspes under the weight of all retcons they've done to point it's pure silliness, which the Last Knight made extra silly. Anthony Hopkins and the robot butler were just insane characters. I get humor can be part of movies, but there still needs be a level of sincerity to the movie. We started seeing characters so over the top by the 3rd movie. They were just trying too hard to include as much comedy relief as possible. Bumblee trimmed down all the excess. It grounded the story down to a couple characters, and give it more weight on the events of the few we saw. Not every story needs be bigger louder than the last, as this kind of escalation can not be maintained which the bayverse was crushing itself under the weight of it's own direction. Even the MCU has smaller stories sprinkled between the world ending events. In the G1 show, not every plot the decepticons tried was doom for the world, some was just a bad day for one or a group of people if it happened. You need smaller events to showcase character moments and flesh them out to the audience. Who the characters are is just as important to how much ass they can kick in a story. This something that often got lost in the bayverse, as the audience didn't even know how half the villains where before they got blown away. Hopefully this lesson is learned for future projects.
@@novustalks7525 someone clearly never taught you how movies making money works......🤦.... If a movie makes less or barely over it's budget then it's flop, if it makes twice than if not more than it's budget then it's a success. Tf5 had the biggest budget of all the movies and flopped. Bumblebee had the lowest budget and did well. The overall amount of money earned doesn't matter if the film made more than it's budget
The Bayverse films were without a doubt influential in garnering a new generation of TF fans. The overall problem though was that it was built on hype and excitement to bring the franchise into a new era in a new way and finally give fans the satisfaction of bringing the bots back to the big screen again. The bar was set really high, and I think the first film managed to touch it, but every film afterwards seemed to just lower the bar a bit more and the franchise fell into a muddled mess of incoherence and inconsistency. The lore has definitely been established to create an entire series of movies within The Transformers universe for decades. The problem is, and we have to be honest with ourselves as fans, that despite the many characters and stories making a movie costs a lot of money and to have that movie be successful means a lot of effort and care need to go into its production. Studios can't just throw money into a project that they think would be cool and hope the fans pay to see it. Those studios don't tend to have longevity. I think a TCU, as it may have been called, was quite a lofty idea and perhaps a bit too zealous.
The first two bayverse movies were actually great, bumlebee as well! Also, i feel like a WWII or a steampunk universe would be a pretty cool concept if it were written well lol
How is it his fault when he made it clear he wanted to have tf3 be his last film and it was the studios that convinced him to come back?. How was it his fault when he didn't write these films and Lorenzo (one of the producers) had more control?. Bay was the producer behind bumblebee and that film did well. Bay isn't to blame for everything that happened.
@@MrWaSpY-Trn Amazon were the ones that "leaked" the ending through the comic adaptation by advertising too much of teasing panels from the comic and those panels just happened to show the biggest plot points
@@metal_fusion he retired from being the director, being a producer is a different story and job all together. He's done making tf films and is fine being a producer since it's easier
I hear that RotB is gonna be linked to the Bayverse by way of the Beast Wars characters being from that universe, looking to stop Unicron from multiversal conquest.
Great content! If I could give a bit of critique, I think you could've been a bit more succinct around 5:40. This video is great though. Will definitely look forward to your next one
LOVE the Beast Wars clips and music!!! I am just now currently, watching Beast Wars for the 1st time ever! It’s pretty awesome and I’m on Season 3s beginning part. I had to get used to the animations style but after I did, I could enjoy it! Transformers is a huge franchise and has so much potential!!! If only these studios would do it justice. So many options to choose from …
a better start to a transformers cinematic universe would be a siege like setup where the autobots are trying to reactivate superion in the first movie and it would center around optimus prime , bumblebee , sideswipe , ironhide , mirage and sunstreaker as our main autobots with ratchet , arcee and deadlock ( becomes drift in the next movie ) as our secondary characters and with megatron and jetfire as our main antagonists with starscream , thundercracker , skywarp and slipstream as leading seekers , soundwave has frenzy and we wont see barricade until the second one , the first movie plot revolves around the final years of the war for cybertron and optimus prime is going to become a true leader as he makes an effort to reactivate the fallen autobot combiner superion and make an effort to free him from a decepticon controlled kaon from shockwave , after that one we would see the next movie have a full on superion v menasor battle , deadlock becomes drift , bumblebee loses his voice , jetfire is convinced by drift and sunstreaker to switch sides and he kills grindor on his way out , barricade arrives to the battle challenging bumblebee to a battle and taunting deadlock's beliefs we also get prowl and cliffjumper in this one , the final part of the trilogy ends with them leaving cybertron and with optimus prime stranded and lost in junkion while bumblebee and hot rod compete to become his heir to the matrix. we also get nautica and flamewar in this one , the movie after this deals with the restored arc crashing into mars , while optimus prime , bumblebee and nearly a dozen autobots collide towards earth ( ratchet , ironhide , kup , mirage , sunstreaker , wheeljack and arcee are among those who crash there setting up a story where the autobots land on earth
Simple fix to the Megatron in ice plot hole, When they first found him the government didn’t know what to do so they kept him frozen up there for a while and because they were so freaked out by it and didn’t want the public to panic they built Hoover dam to solve two problems, dam bro this sativa hittin weird
They bay universe is my childhood but tf4 and 5 just sucked it didn’t have the magic as when we were younger. Dotm should had ended like the book ending a perfect trilogy but hopefully the new movie starts up something new and brings back the epic fights and characters from what we experienced years ago
From what it sounds like with what movies were going to be made... I don't think there ever really was an intended ending for the original 2007 Movie Continuity. It sounded more like the 6th movie might have done some big things but then also try to pull some stunts that would kneecap it in its finality by leaving things open-ended if they really were gonna be making so many more movies, prequel status of them be darned...
They made five movies and didn't develop the characters at all. Let alone then create a cinematic universe of them. Let alone then crossing them over with G.I Joe or whatever. Transformers doesn't need to cross over with other franchises. It hs a large enough universe of it's own with multiple planets full of characters.
Honestly, I think they should’ve ended it with DOTM, but using the original ending with Optimus and megatron making a truce, and living peacefully. It’s kind of like fast and furious. Furious 7 should’ve been the end, but here we are. 😂
I too have a love and hate relationship with the Bayverse films, while there are ones I like its just hard to rewatch them sometimes after realizing how much nonsense I have to get through. Annoying human characters, wasted characters, messy designs, and the focus of making the military more capable of taking down the Decepticons then the Autobots. Sure some of these problems were fixed in later movies, its just that Bay and his writers didn't improve that much cause their way was working for the past 4 movies.
First three bayverse films had its own thing goin, and did just fine. Aoe tried to set up something new, tlk ruined it. Ultimately it was tlk that killed the franchise and bumblebee bringing in a lackluster box office. Bumblebee was basically a half prequel half reboot thing to test the waters.
All the clues for the other movies they planned are there like the feudal Japan theme with one of the Transformers looking like a samurai. The Nazi WWII stuff with the little bit about Bumblebee being in World War II. The Unicorn stuff at the end of the movie with quintessa. and the King Arthur stuff with that little flashback. All of its there they basically took all the ideas and put them in one movie and then make separate movies about those things
Honestly a WWII Transformers spin off would be great; Just not in the Bayverse. Each famous German tank could be a unique Decepticon, a Panther, TigerI, Tiger II etc, with autobots based on US/UK vehicles, like Hound as a jeep for one based on a Sherman
Fair's fair. How about Starscream as an Me-262 variant and Shockwave as a Waffentrager E100 (commonly portrayed as a ruthless monster in certain circles of the tank community)?
@@ratte6090 I like that. But would all the seekers be 262s? I suppose that would work and the BF 109s could just be human piloted planes. I'm assuming the decepticons are working with the human Nazis in this theoretical movie
Great video my guy. Been a Transformers fan since the 80’s and I love any conversation that involves them. I have to say though that the Beyformers was trash, absolute trash. Bumblebee gave me hope with the opening scenes of the movie on Cybertron and I’m looking forward to Rise of the beasts. We can only go up from here. Getting rid of Bey was the best decision that they could have made. Hopefully they go back to the roots and create a high quality animated movie. This was awesome, thanks! 😊 Subbed!
I still LOVE the bay-vers, because at the end of the day when you go to watch transformers you go to watch cool robots fighting in cool ways and that’s exactly what the bay-vers is
You go watch for the characters and the stories they have to tell, that's what the franchise was built on and strived for. These movies are dumb fun and aren't what anyone should be looking for when going into a TF project with more hard work put into it
It may have taken a long time, but I plan on restoring the original version of TF5. Transformers: Return of The Gods will be a full stop-motion feature with a Quintesson and Galvatron as the main villains. It’ll be a more stable version of TLK but without all the secret history nonsense and Guardian Knights and no Unicron this time. I also have a sequel ready that will conclude Bayverse. The final story will be titled Transformers: Five Faces of Darkness a little reference to the 5-episode G1 arc. If all goes well I might expand the ending of Bayverse with a new trilogy and consider doing Transformers: The End of Time.
I don’t think I want to know how Unicron would’ve been treated at the rate the original continuity was going before Bumblebee convinced everyone to reboot it.
It's NOT Been Rebooted OR Retoconned. Once You See Exactly WHY The #Maximals Are There...THEN You'll Get The Bigger Pixture As To Why There's Terrorcons & NOT #Decepticons! BTW; Even Mulitudes Of Scorpinoks Appear To Terrorize!
Can someone do a fan project in the internet where they rewrite the Bayverse and make a new universe? Bayverse had a lotta cool concepts (like Ironhide being from a Cybertron clan called the "Thetacons")
i wonder if bumble bee would be a victorian steam vehicle. i mean it does take place in the victorian era. however since bumblebee needs to be complex and big. i think bumlebee would be the london steam carriage. with a steam punk design.
I’ve heard some people theorizing that Rise of the Beasts will have time travel. And it was rumored to be in the Bay-verse at one point. Maybe some villains from the Bay-verse will show up later down the line in the Bee-verse?
I think the 6th film listed in that graphic was always intended to be Bumblebee, I recall specifically the news at the time the graphic came out was the “VI” movie was a bumblebee led movie.
It felt like Micheal Bay went out of his way to completely butcher what fans knew and loved about Transformers. None of the characters looked nothing like their original counterparts, the whole original story-line was changed, Bay came up with either new character or obscure ones rather than using well known characters like Mirage, Prowl, Skywarp, etc. Yeah, they make good action films, but for someone who grew up with Transformers, it was just a complete mess. The opening scene for Bumble was exactly what I always wanted, but unfortunately we only got a few minutes with them. Such a tease :(
Bayverse was not going to work, there was too much done already and it would have been built on an unstable foundation. A lot of the ideas outlined were not viable movie entries, and I don't think they would have generated enough profits to finish the story.
They should of just started with a new series at the beginning or middle of the war narrated by megatron and prime the opening scene we see decepticon seeker flying high above attacking the auto bots as they defend against deceptions attack similar to wfc opening
I grew up in cybertron, movies and animated, so to keep my nostalgia to them I made deeseus army drone as ironhide and and want my siege ratchet with emp/ movie colors,Optimus with fire ax gun from dotm bee sports car jazz I wanted to get him and paint silver but problem was ss86 had qc.
I think we are already getting a Cinematic Universe soon. We already had one as well.. Now I hope Bumblebee sequels would form a new Transformers cinematic universe
