So, it turns out that when my PC went through a complete and total meltdown, my transitions pre-set didn't come across properly which is creating the small glitch that you may notice. Apologies that it wasn't picked up on and fixed prior to the upload everyone, something I will be working on fixing for new videos. Sorry about that everyone. Hope it doesn't impact your enjoyment of the video that much.
quick qestion becuz i watch the full 30 minute video, did u try those weapon as engie too? and with that specific gameplay in mind? i'm a engie player, that why i ask ^^'
Lynx main here, literally used it for as long as I can remember. Got me more than 60% of the kills and somewhere close to 80% of bullets fired. Also can get 5+ kdr with the charger as first and only purchase(no mods, implants, upgrades), reinforcing my idea that NC is the "special forces" getting some help from the devs and extra shotguns for aim challenged players. Now the real best weapon after the last update, was the 20+ Elysium miners spawning every minute on top of each other and melting your PC. Literally just stood in front of them, having them as backdrop, and enemies would lag so much their aim was probably worse than concussion grenades and flashes together. Then I had the bright idea to turn around and look at it from up close, dropped to 5 FPS, and crashed.
My heart is bleeding... I love daka, I love TR... I do too feel there are no TR carbines powerful enough to make it to S tier. Whenever I play with the GD-7F I wish the TR had a copy of it. The Jaguar is powerful, the the Kindred makes me smile when I chain kills with it but I feel like the TR was robbed of a good carbine for the sake of having the most daka.
Fkn NC have a 167 only 50 rpms down from TRs "best" and a 200 damage model, VS has two 845 @ 143 with surgical accuracy, and yeah TR has the lynx which is fast but a pea shooter. Comparatively the TR got fked in the carbine department. The only truly competitive edge I feel i have as a TR LA is the Kappa, and all factions can access it.
@@One_Zhadosian A tale as old as time... I still remember.. the carbine rework. The lynx used to be an alternative of the Jaguar, 800 rpm 143 dmg. Then it was changed because the GD7F got the 845/143 dmg model. It was difficult not to think that the NC were the favourite faction of the balance team.
@@pipacs42 wow... I had no idea about all that. Thats just messed up man. I would actually be happy if they gave TR a bone, and buffed our cougar to a 200.. Those 5 extra rounds doesnt justify the horrendously low rpms and mediocre accuracy. Literally every NC carbine carries the 167 damage better than TRs options. Its sad to say, but i have every TR carbine unlocked, and not one of them performs at a level contrary to this tier list.
@@One_Zhadosian you should seriously not take this list for granted, I personally use jaguar and lynx as my carabines and let me tell you they shread, you are capable of killing annyone with them even if they rock the S tier guns, thing is I don't know how it ever is to fight those guns on even terms, as I never fight face to face, but still if you're good at the game even the ,,elite'' players are just a cannon fodder during a major battles, its just how the clases that use carabines should be used and not how the guns should.
Very much enjoyed this video. The amount of work that's been put in is clear by the quality of the finished product. Looking forward to the future tierlists!
Why is T5-AMC in E tier when its literally just NS-11C with balanced horizontal recoil recoil, slightly higher vertical recoil but lower 1st shot recoil. Cami, did you miss that they buffed that weapon during arsenal update and made ads movement speed, 0.75? It should be on the same tier.
As a VS main I REALLY envy the 2x shot fire mode from NC burst variants... it is SO MUCH better than 3x especially with new angled forward grip it is stupid.
Been waiting for your carbine tier list for weeks now and its finally here! YAY! Thanks for all your hard work my friend. I just started playing the game in July and your videos have been a HUGE help in my PS2 onboarding. Thank you so much!
I like the Trac-Shot. Compared to the Jaguar, it's got equivalent performance in most categories, only slacking off with the hipfire accuracy by a margin, but then with the forward grip you also get more effective performance at medium range, particularly in ADS, because of better recoil statistics even before adding the forward grip.
@@Effect_FX It has 0.75 ads movement speed since arsenal update. And underbarrel was never selling point of pretty much any gun but Yumi. And while yes, it doesn't have SPA, it has KCAP.
I pretty much guessed every single S Tier weapon from the jump. Only one I missed was the VX6-7. Good stuff. I think the only real thing that holds back the Kindred is learning how to tap burst with it to really take advantage of it's gimmick.
I'd love to hear how the NS-11C is C tier, but the (post buff) AMC is E. They both have identical accuracy, and damage statistics - but the AMC has better velocity, better recoil pattern and a more forgiving magazine capacity. By all metrics, the AMC is the better of the two - even if you disagree they are so similar, that they shouldn't be 2 tiers apart.
Excellent work on the video Cami. I would just like to point out that all fo your gameplay was on light assault and none of it was from engineer. I suspect that some of the placings might be slightly different if engineer was more in mind while creating this tier list.
CB-X75 my beloved Really great video for someone like me who mostly plays one of the four factions, and is curious about what the others have to offer… especially when that faction is NSO.
Perfect timing, I can watch this while I wait for the servers to come back up for the Halloween update. Appreciate the time it took to get this one done It does help a lot
Pleasantly surprised to see the AF-20 Rogue, I'm currently auraxing it and while it's got a bit of a learn curve I can see how it can absolutely blow people away if you can aim well and get the firing rhythm right.
As a TR i feel you. The carabines although fast feel like they are missing something. My favourite is actualy the crougar because i feel like i can make it work in almost any range except the closest of cqc. The lynx feels wrong to me, brutal in cqc, very mediocre in everything else because of the very low alpha, but even in that cqc evertioment, if its a capture point the reload point does hinder it a lot. I feel like if lynx needs a buff, either a very fast reload to make it have something over the other cqc carabines, or change its damage model.
@@eduardoborges506 Unless they fixed this over the year, maybe the reason you (like me) loved the Cougar is that your FPS isn't very high? Lower FPS means lower RPM, which makes RPM-based guns notably weaker for people like us. Damage Per Bullet guns are less affected by FPS, so they outperform the rest on slow PCs.
As a TR light assault/engineer main and a lover of all carbines - I think this video is completely fair. I'm well aware my favorite weapons prioritize fun over raw effectiveness, it's gotten me killed more times than I can count lol I do think the Cougar beats the Jaguar, though. Maybe that just makes me old.
Another great video. It's content like this that makes it so easy to be a channel supporter. Thanks for putting this list together. I'm not a light assault main, but I enjoy playing that role once in a while. I've been running with a Tanto or Pulsar C for years, but you've inspired me to take a few others out for a spin. I hadn't ever considered the Serpent before, not sure why. Thanks again! Have fun at PAX.
cb 200 have underbarrel shotgun , it have pretty good hipfire accuracy too , thats the strong points it have , its also accurate with handle grip and its pretty diverse weapon
TRAC 5-S (as well as other S variants) with grenade launcher is great IMO. Its fast reload times (on grenades), damage and AoE makes it a great grenade spammer. On some scenarios (chokepoints) it works even better than decimators or thumpers and saves you tons of nanites on grenades. Both on Engi or LA it is a great situational weapon. IMO its unfair that its listed as E tier as it IS the best (and only) option to spam grenades, and you shouldnt compare its stats only for 1v1 scenarios as it isnt meant to be used like that.
In the process of Araxing the GD-7F. It has a surprisingly longer range than you would expect it to have, being a CQC orientated carbine. With softpoint ammo you can buzzsaw through groups of enemies if youre ripping headshots off. You can potentially go toe to toe with Heavy Assaults especially if youre the first to get a shot off, the weapon ia truly excellent. The downside of it is that it is a moody weapon, if you arent in control of it then you wont be effective. It also suffers from having a loooong reload, especially during empty reloads. That will absolutely slow down your rampages and leave you open to counter pushes. If you equip it with the right sight and attachments you can just about win any fight.
I will say, using the Gauss Compact with smoke grenade launcher and thermal sight as an engineer is a really cheeky combo. No one expects the ambush engineer
It feels like a lot of these guns are being judged on how effective they are at CQC/Light Assault ambusher tactics. Would the ratings change if these were judged instead from the perspective of the engi?
I still dont agree on hte placement for the kindred. It doesn't requires much skill to be a monster and it even win against gd-7f when both are going for the head. It can go both shot and medium range where serpent and gd-7f can't really aim for those ranges, it teach you the trigger discipline needed on every weapon and you don't have to pay that much in equipement. (most of them dont really help). So yeah, for me it basically deserve it's S tier. But cool vid nonetheless. Thx cami
Much appreciated for your hard work on this one. I have a lot of friends who are new to the game and this will help them spend their certs much more wisely. Hoping you're going to do an Assault Rifle tier list too at some point, given how much work these are I can wait for a better viewing experience like I got with this vid. Cheers!
This video is super helpful for people like me who a) dont want to waste their credits and b) want to look for a meme weapon to fart around with when i feel cheeky
holy shit, nice work on your channel man. I remember playing DayZ with you a decade ago and now your the top google suggestion when I search for planetside 2 stuff. nice!
Its a very subjective tier list with seemingly arbitrary values given to stats that even seem to be valued differently between weapons. Also a bit hard to take it seriously when accuracy is apparently a dumpster stat while hipfire accuracy brings some all the way up to B tier. Prominence for example can be made into a laser pointer that you just beam heads with, how that is down in D tier when you can still have a 1 hit kill grenade launcher or shotgun on it as well is just crazy.
Kindred is my personal S+ tier weapon, its a blast to use and nets me 3x4 times more kills per spawn than almost any other carbine I use. I had Auraxium'ed the Kindred before I even knew what was happening. When you get the flow and trigger discipline down. Its a precision scalpel with few rivals. It may not have made your S Tier, but it is...as good as TR Carbines get XD
Ah yes I sure do love commenting on a carbine video to make sure Cam gets the moneys and the views, damn im so engaged right now positive engagement 100%
From a PS2 player that has well over 3000 kills with the Newton, I honestly wouldn't say that the Newton is S tier. It is a great carbine, but lacks the ttk and range the gd7f and Serpent has.
Hey this was awesome. Obsessed with these tier lists. Just wanted to request, if there could be a sound bite of each weapon firing i think that would be cool, that way we will be able to identify them on the battlefield.
CB-200 in E. well, maybe that bis true, but not for me. I have more trubel using the other NSO carbines. something with this gun just clicks with me. it is the only weapon i auraxed so far.
It's interesting to see the CB-200 in E Tier, It sports the same damage model as the Razor GD-23 (C-Tier) but has a longer max damage range, Has a pretty forgiving recoil pattern, AND has access to all the underbarrel attachments found in D-Tier. The reload time compared against the rest of D tier is also pretty snappy. On paper it looks like it should be in High D-Tier So what aspect of the weapon brings it down to E-Tier?
Doesnt really suprise me there's no S tier TR carbines.. Lynx should have the same stats as the Serpant/GD-7F.. not sure why VS and NC both get 143/845 carbines and the TR didnt. The Lynx is a great gun though, it does melt faces.. its probably my favourite gun to use, i have auraxed it multiple times. Aslong as you hit headshots with it, it comes within a pubic hair to the ttk of the GD-7F .. and i feel its a better all rounder than the GD-7F personally. I think though depending on the situation, these guns could be switched around quite alot .. but in cqc engagements i think you got it pretty spot on. Thanks for all your efforts in making this for us
Horizon should be S tier. Not many people acknowledge its strongest trait. It's pin point accurate while flying around with your jetpack. I use it with drifter jets and it is gross. However it requires capsulate ammo to change it to 2 shots and not 3.
carbine magnum opus , did people notice an oddity in regards to zenith when it comes to attachments compared to other 0.75 ads carbines ? i am not talking about unstable ammo ...
i run ariel combatant 4, maxed out level drifter jet, fly jacket or armor something like that with the tanto, just ultra fast drifting side to side, flying on corner of big battle, people don't look up for some reasons, i remember killing like 14+ dudes and still flying around
As an engineer main, and not a hippity hoppity look at my frag montagity boy, I'd place the S-variants a tad higher...'cept maybe the NC one. Underbarrel is a decent utility against MAXs, dealing at least 600 damage, (900-ish if it armed) and a decent alternative to the AMR. Though, if you're expecting to MAX hunt, then yeah--grab the Archer. NS-11C went up to that after arsenal...legit hated that thing as Engineer. Now yes, there are good 1v1 Engineers out there and yes, the higher tier carbines will fill that role for them; however, I don't boast the best shot. Can't really. I sport a very average KD. Most my play is to keep my squad's stuff up, so if it ever came down to me having to 1V1 for my life, you bet my ass I'm cowering in the corner with a frying pan. As a result, I'd also put the Charger and Kindred up a tad higher. Charger now being discount kindred is great for my bait-and-switch and Kindred...it's the Kindred. I can poke, burst, flee, cower, and forget about reloading before repeating that process again....until I run out of ammo. Other than that, I'd say it's a pretty solid list.
Picked up the charger just today, it just seems to really work for me, but I’m still only 20-30 hours of playtime in, probably as I get better I’ll get more value out of the bandit or GDF.
You also frogot to tell for fast firing TR weapons you need proper ammout of FPS becouse game is client side other wise DMG is not detected properly and the guy who kill you have still over 50% of hp when in relaity he should be long dead.
Serpent gets way too much love for its reliance in Jaeger formats. The reload is so punishing compared to the vx6-7, and the hard left recoil pattern means you need to main it if you don't want it to mess with your muscle memory of other guns which tend to recoil to the right. It's like the age-old betel vs Orion debate but even more decisive. Sure the Orion is better 1v1 but the betel is used because it is king of farming on live. Likewise, sure the serpent can allow u to 1v1 the best heavies head on, but the vx6-7 matches LA playstyle waaaaaaay more. To me there is a clear S/A tier distinction in this regard. Also for hipfire powerhouses like the vx6-7, cb-x75, and even ARs like TAR and H-V45, the removal of Advanced Laser Sights has made forward grip much more appealing to push weapon effective range out a lot. It really requires one to begin pulling down while beginning to press left click though. Usually it's best to lean into strengths but with those guns there is an argument that the hipfire is so good u can sacrifice some equip time to not be so terrible ADSing medium range when caught out in the open.
Hey, thanks for the nice video! I'm kinda new to the game and love your two tier list videos. Any thoughts of making more of them? You did mention that they are a LOT of work though, so hey no pressure
Nice to see you've stuck with this game over the years. I didn't agree with some things you said years ago, and I don't agree with some statements made in this tier list now, though I've been away for years, so what do I know. Anyway, it's good to see a familiar voice, and it seems your LA play is pretty respectable. Props.
Here I thought my choice to run the VX6-7 was some off-meta old option. Pretty sure my squad mates agreed. I guess it makes sense I was always happy with the performance. Now I'm using the Horizon, ofc
Played since day1 beta and CBX-75 has predominantly surged as my favorite weapon in the game. Newton is busted but CBX75 is more reliable more often and it's a beaut with proper trigger control you can extend its range no prob and it just MELTS people up to 20m range which is something most won't expect.
Ok to start I need to say I only play NC and NSO although that will be changing shortly. Generally I would agree with your picks for both factions. NC god tier is on point with the bandit/gd7f and NSO with the x75 /newton (newton in a league of its own really). But I have to agree with Deeg on this one. Our baby the ns11c is much more than C tier... NOT EVEN A B CAMI... That's dirty my guy lol. The ns11c in the right hands can be A tier without a doubt and I could go on and on but I digress (the only pick i have a problem with). But I also have to say that in my crusades to get the newton I took the opportunity to skip the CB200 all together because of how bad it felt. I cant tell you how many people were like I kinda like that one which made me cringe a bit and then proceed to tell them that they are batshit crazy. So on that front I couldn't agree more cb200 is bottom of the barrel for me. I even opened up the ol war chest to buy a gold ns11c to skip that hot garbage. In completion I need to give this video an S+ tier rating for the amount of work and time spent to bring us all the goods. Killer video and great information for those trying to break into the carbine/light assault game. appreciate ya carry on biig guy.
I'm a TR infantry player bringing the dislikes. Legitimately though, I really thought the Kindred would be S, the fire rate and recoil are both a little wonky but for me, it kind of just works, and it works better than any other carbine on any faction in most situations. That's probably an experience thing though, because I've put way less time into the Serpent, Lynx, or anything else that comes close to that beautiful 167/698. Maybe I spent too much time absorbing IGoRawr's thoughts on weapons too, but I'm almost suprised the Pulsar C didn't make S-tier as an engineer's carbine and that the Horizon didn't as a light assault's, because those are the two carbines I miss most playing TR instead of VS. Granted, long range carbine is a weird role and the Horizon is only useful on LA and still pretty situational. Also can confirm that the GG-7F does indeed strike fear into the hearts of even veteran infantry, especially when the fire is coming from behind you on the balcony you throught friendlies had covered.
I love the serpent sm it is very good to use in the high ping servers from aus cause you can get away with killing people instead of trading way more consistently
Alright, I literally spent 3 hours making a comment that I decided to not post since it would be waaay too long. I basically state my opinions on some of the weapons I have a familiar acquaintance with, whether I agree or not on their tier placement and why, and more. But instead, I'm going to talk about one of my favorite carbines in the game, the HC-1 Cougar. Effectively, it's a cross between the Mercenary and the Razor, but has the unique feature of being the only 167 damage carbine with a 35 round magazine. That said, why pick the hot milf over the fiery and youthful Kindred? Good question, because I myself prefer those around who are my age 95% of the time too. You may already know it will never outperform the Kindred from a raw DPS perspective unless the Kindred is wielded by a middle eastern terrorist who thinks mag dumping in the air is cool. The milf also doesn't have access to soft point ammo, so you're not gonna be able to make the most out of your 167 damage potential, and instead only has HV ammo as well as the relatively new KCAP ammo, and yes, I cry about it like a little bitch too, you're not alone. What does the Cougar have then? The Cougar has more access to attachments. Particularly, the barrel attachments. Essentially, you can make it recoil less, reduce bloom (ADS or hipfire, it's up to you), or, if you wanna have some shenanigans, you can put a suppressor on it and have HV ammo to counter most the negative effect. The only penalty is a negligible 5% reduction in muzzle velocity. The Kindred doesn't get any of this. Essentially, if you are playing TR as a light assault trooper or engineer and want a high caliber carbine that can be used and tuned to your exact specifications, the Cougar is for you. Does it still need a buff? Not necessarily. Should it get buffed because of the Kindred? I think so. Because nerfing the Kindred would just be freaking lame. No, I'm not gonna say buff the raw DPS of the Cougar. And in fact, I simply don't know how to buff it without pitch forks and torches being readied because I'm worried about guns. If I say "buff the range", what about all the other 167 damage carbines? If I say give it a 40 round mag, what about the rest of the TR carbines? Make it accurate with very little bloom without needing the heavy or short barrel attachments? I don't know, man. I said 3 hours at the start of this comment, I edited it over and over again. It was 11pm when I started with a completely different comment, now it's past 4am. Lemme just say this: give the milf a solid buff in whatever way as long as it isn't just "make it's DPS match the Mercenary". It doesn't have to kill faster than the Mercenary to be powerful.
The Tanto is the Little Mac of PS2. Going up against someone who doesn't really have their aim down with KBM and jumping around like a madman can usually give you a win. Anyone with some good tracking skills will quickly shut it down though
I disagree. If you're good at drifters, you can beat anyone you get the jump on. You're shooting down at their head and they're shooting up at your feet.
000 /popcorn :) Newton better be Rank SS. :P Also glad to see your PC didn't wipe out all your video data. Perhaps have a cloud copy for things like this, just in case..
I challenge everyone to try out T5 AMC with heavy barrel and grip. Turns that gun to headshotting laser. That is to say, not entirely agree with its placement.
Never liked tierlist format, because it simply never matches my own thoughts, but hey, what a surprise, for the first time it is accurate as fuck, with minor exceptions in form of 2 mispaced weapons (imo) what i am about to discuss. But i want to once again mention what maybe for the first time, it kinda feels like meeting a kindred soul who shares very similar opinions, which was very pleasant to watch. So uh, about those 2 guns. First is NS-11C, there is one tiny, little moment what you missed in it's stats. It's the smallest bloom per shot when fired from the hip. Majority of carabines (actually majority of weapons) in this game have X bloom when ADS and 2X bloom when hipfired, this is not the case for NS-11C. But it does not salvage whole weapon, it is just a very important feature which is worth mentioning. Because it makes this particular carabine one of the best options for prolonged airborn combat, if you playing TR or NC (VS has horizon, NSO has newton). To be precise, this is one of the most fitting carabines for playstyle i called "gayfrog assault", which involves abusing Catlike 5 jump height benefit with weapons which are conviniently accurate midair (Carabines, Mini-chaingun). When we talking about LA it also involves drifter jump jets. All i want to say what it is certainly not A tier, it has much better alternatives on some factions, but for that playstyle (loadout) alone, it deserves solid B tier. I know you never tried it, so now you kinda have to, and i promise, it is so fun to jump around like a fucking frog and move back and forth through mouse dead zone above someones head. It is hilarious and surprisingly effective against above average planetmans playstyle, i wish my TR main would have access to horizon. Another gun, which deserves higher tier is Tanto and i know i know, everyone like to trash this piece of wasted development time, i kinda get used to it, but again, you seem like a person who can understand me, so why not type another ode to this beatiful carabine. So yeah, Tanto. What is so special about it. Well, i started to use it a long time ago, before first buff, when it's hip bloom been whooping 0.24 I been in seek for a good long range carabine and stumble upon that beast. The pretendents were T5 AMC, Cougar and Tanto, and i chose Tanto back then, simply because it had much more ammo in reserve, which is kinda critical for long range and lengthy kill streaks. So, your first mistake - you should use Tanto with 3.4x scope, seriously, 1X is pointless, because at the distance it fits the most, you gonna hipfire. It is a long range carabine, it might not look like it, but trust me, it is really accurate in long bursts, i used to dump 1/3 of my mags when shooting from afar. Don't get me wrong, it isn't THE MOST ACCURATE or the most fitting for long range carabine, the key feature is what when it stays relatively accurate at long range it also has unmatched, and i mean UNMATCHED accuracy when fired from the hip after devs cut it's hip bloom in half, from 0.24 to 0.12 which is pretty standart number. With normal long range carabines, you have to sacrifice CQC capabilities, with Tanto you have one of the best(but highly aim dependent) CQC in game. The only matchup i keep loosing is against GD-7F with ambusher jets, for exactly two reasons - raw dps desparity is way to dramatic to compensate with perfect aim and i can't break distance with my ambusher jets, because this motherfucker also have them. But did you ever shit on top of the head of some heavy assault, from 15-25 meters, with hipfire, melting him in one burst while not even take a shot back? Tanto can do this, but you might need to adjust your hip fire sense (lower it if you overaim, additional footage self-analysis required). And now the most controvertial part, even fellow Tanto lovers would disagree with me, but hear me out. The second mistake is to use short barrel. Unironically, it's built-in bloom is low enough, all what short barrel do is to give you some breathing room, allow you to miss some shots, but you still cannot afford missing your shots, because you have only 600RPM which is abysmally low for 143dmg model. At the same time short barrel penalty of +10% recoil seems insignificant, but it somehow messes with gun recoil pattern and you no longer can chain headshot, it simply jumps to high, but that might be my muscle memory afer 3k+ kills without it. So again, i unironically recommend to use Heavy barrel. In fact, i am a Heavy barrel hater, this is the dumbest, the most useless attachment from arsenal update which makes you immobile target if you use 0.5ADS gun (thank Wrel, our boy is 0.75) and here i am, recommending it for one and only case, and one of my favorite guns in the entire game - Tanto. Fuck me. What am i doing? The thing is that Tanto, once again, first of all - long range carabine, with some really crazy options in CQC, not other way arround. 3.4x, heavy barrel, grip, HVA. Ambusher jets. Hit&Run tactic. That elusive motherfucker who keeps running away in first sense of danger. That tiny little prick, with juicy "bounty" marker above his head, which you really need for your daily mission, but you can't get it. Because he keeps running away, keep reseting his health, keeps spamming V6, and melt you from any range, and from unexpected angles. And if you somehow manage to sneak upon him, he will unleash shitfury of chainheadshots in your fucking face with his lackluster, "B tier" carabine. This is the gun. This is the Tanto. Objectively solid A tier due it's unique stats, but S tier in my heart.
I know it's an old comment about dying game but: In carabines bloom per shot it tied to A) damage profile and B) RPM. In other words carabines with the same RPM and damage have the same bloom. E.g. T5AMC. Drifters are usually treated as the worst jet packs. So while I agree that his ranking is rather onesided your build won't change it. Tanto has by far the highest hipfire bloom. That's why short barrel. It is also far from good in cqc. A lot of carabines can reliably hipfire to the head from
I still wanna see the s class weapons become mini auraxium weapons becoming unlocked after completing the silver tier directives for them also allowing a second rail attachment like their better counterparts. Lastly I wanna see a rocket launcher tier list
