The Carnal Christian? - R.C. Sproul 

AMEN, RC ! *JUDE 1 : 3 - 4* *"Dear friends, I had been eagerly planning to write to you about the salvation we all share. But now I find that I must write about something else, urging you to defend the faith that God has entrusted once for all time to his holy people.I say this because some ungodly people have wormed their way into your churches, saying that God's marvelous grace allows us to live immoral lives. The condemnation of such people was recorded long ago, for they have denied our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."*

Truly a great theologian, pastor, and teacher. I have had issues with the “Carnal Christian” problem for years. When you live in the manner of the world, you may be subject to he discipline of God almighty.

What an awesome God we have. While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Good works are evidence of faith.

"And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him- speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction." 2 Peter 3:15-16.

We are saved unto good Works prepared for us before the foundation of the world.

Anyone who gets saved will have evidence to follow. This evidence may be recognized only by those who knew this one before conversion. Sometimes the evidence is seen clearly by all.

There seems to be enough scripture evidence (almost in every book of the NT) that Fruit that results from 'Saving Faith' defines it. In Romans before Paul even starts his great epistle of Faith & Righteousness, right there in the greeting to the Roman Church of the first seven verses; in verse 5, we find the words which are tucked in "the obedience that comes from faith". Obedience proceeds out of faith. And Romans both starts(Rom 1:5) and ends with the same expression "the obedience that comes from faith"(Rom 16:26). God's Blessing and Love to all.

Great message, faith in Christ as our savior is also an action in the way we live.

Notes: 1:21 Continually being disobedient. 2:15 two types of Christians: spiritual & carnal 3:07 requirements for salvation. What must I do to be saved? 6:20 most sanctified Christian struggles 7:10 if you are carnal you are not a Christian 7:45 Christ must be Savior and Lord 8:20 but we struggle and are imperfect. 8:40 Do I have to submit to Christ as Lord at all. 10:30 Carnal Christian in that sense would be an oxymoron 11:33 Quotes a free gracer 12:00 Luther had the charge of antinomianism 13:00 Luther was challenged with passages from James. 13:22 "A faith that is devoid of works will not justify anybody" 13:50 "... not by a faith that is alone" 14:30 "... necessary and immediately" 15:10 "The person that has saving faith is a changed person" 15:36 saving faith = regenerated. 15:41 "Faith is the root of regeneration and not the cause of it. Regeneration proceeds faith." 16:30 "that faith that is real inevitably produces the fruit of works" 18:30 if a person says he has faith and no works he has zero justification. 20:49 Cheap grace is dangerous. 21:32 "look to your heart, look to your soul and see if your profession of faith is genuine. If it is, you're home and you're justified."

2 years ago I thought I knew enough about God's work of sanctification (which really under-girds this discussion) to write a book about it, in connection with how it plays out in our Christian lives and our faith. But the more I studied the more I came to realize I was not yet ready to write that book. I've begun writing it several times. Perhaps I will finally be ready by Jan. 2019, as I think I'm now at the point of finally having enough blessings of truth to offer the kingdom of God (church). Blessings.

Any believer who wants to live in Sin and call themselves a believer need to read 1 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Be ye Holy for I am holy!

This an truly excellent message, The only exception to his proposal to my mind would be the deathbed convert who would have no opportunity to display any fruit or good works in this life, perhaps like the theif on the cross. They would surely be justified by faith alone and that faith would perforce have to be alone. Sadly I cannot ask Dr Spruel but maybe someone else would like to comment on my thought.

I don't think anyone who is a true christian, could say "oh it's okay I'm a carnal christian". That's really disgusting and shaming the name of The Lord

Well spoken DR sproul, this is the teaching in Gods word about carnal Christians as taught in Matthew 13:24-30 KJV, on the parable of the wheat and the tares. God bless your ministry.

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Absolutely the truth spoken here.

This man is an intellect... he started preaching, and in the end I could not even recall which scripture he had based his teaching upon... what kind of preaching that does not help to understand the pages of scripture...

You don't put your faith in a profession of faith. You don't put your faith in an "experience of grace ", though that experience is necessary. You put your faith in a crucified and risen savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. Quick prayerism is sending people to hell in the masses. Genuine salvation ALWAYS results in repentance from sin and dead works with a desire to learn of and love the Lord Jesus Christ. I didn't know much about repentance, faith, justification. I just knew i was under conviction of sin. For a year and a half. I came forward service after service. I must have said the prayer a thousand times. Finally, one Wednesday night in 1995, i heard the preacher make this statement. " if righteousness come by the law, Christ is dead in vain. To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Salvation is Jesus plus nothing ". Immediately i felt as though i had been awakened. No lights, no buzzers going off. Just an ease in my soul i had never felt. I didn't say the prayer that day. Didnt have time to. Jesus saved me before I knew what happened because i heard the word of God and believed it. I'm very grateful to the men who got me grounded in the king james word of God. Because the next morning all the good feelings left me. We can't anymore put faith in feeling more than we can a wet paper sack. It's in the word of God. That's what we were saved by. That's where our hope lies.

Faith without Works Is Dead _ James 2:14-26 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters,[a] if you say you have faith but do not have works? Can faith save you? 15 If a brother or sister is naked and lacks daily food, 16 and one of you says to them, ‘Go in peace; keep warm and eat your fill’, and yet you do not supply their bodily needs, what is the good of that? 17 So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. 18 But someone will say, ‘You have faith and I have works.’ Show me your faith without works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe-and shudder. 20 Do you want to be shown, you senseless person, that faith without works is barren? 21 Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. 23 Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, ‘Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness’, and he was called the friend of God. 24 You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25 Likewise, was not Rahab the prostitute also justified by works when she welcomed the messengers and sent them out by another road? 26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is also dead.

Romans 9:16 “So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.”

we must contend for our faith

I agree with what Dr. Sproul is saying. However, I find it a bit unsettling that Reformed Christian continually base their disquisitions on the writings of the reformers. The reformers were right in many things but they also were utterly wrong in many things. For example, they never understood the relationship between the Law of Moses and the new life in Jesus Christ and this led them to burn people at the stake, to behead a child for beating his parents, and to drown an adulteress in the river. These things are AGAINST the teachings of Christ. These reformed Christians still struggle with state-imposed legalism. However, as I said before, I agree 100% with what Dr. Sproul is saying in this video.

Amen

Mr. Sproul you cannot based salvation on works even a little because it cancels out grace. This is false teaching and heresy! And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6 And the book of James is NOT about justification before God, but before man. We should live out our faith so others can see it and be saved, but we are declared righteous before God the moment we believe!

I agree wholeheartedly! I believed in Christ but lived like the devil and believe had I cd died I would have gone to hell. It is a shame I ad (had) to break my neck to get saved.

God is glorified within Himself these two ways: 1. By appearing . . . to Himself in His own perfect idea [of Himself], or in His Son who is the brightness of His glory. 2. By enjoying and delighting in Himself, by flowing forth in infinite love and delight towards Himself, or in his Holy Spirit. So God glorifies Himself toward the creatures also in two ways: 1. By appearing to . . . their understanding. 2. In communicating Himself to their hearts, and in their rejoicing and delighting in, and enjoying, the manifestations which He makes of Himself. . . God is glorified not only by His glory's being seen, but by its being rejoiced in. When those that see it delight in it, God is more glorified than if they only see it. His glory is then received by the whole soul, both by the understanding and by the heart. God made the world that He might communicate, and the creature receive, His glory; and that it might [be] received both by the mind and heart. He that testifies his idea of God's glory [doesn't] glorify God so much as he that testifies also his approbation of it and his delight in it. Because [God] infinitely values his own glory, consisting in the knowledge of himself, love to himself, and complacence and joy in himself; he therefore valued the image, communication or participation of these, in the creature. And it is because he values himself, that he delights in the knowledge, and love, and joy of the creature; as being himself the object of this knowledge, love and complacence. . . [Thus] God's respect to the creature's good, and his respect to himself, is not a divided respect; but both are united in one, as the happiness of the creature aimed at, is happiness in union with himself. It follows from all this that it is impossible that anyone can pursue happiness with too much passion and zeal and intensity. Virtue is what we do with all our might in pursuit of the enjoyment of the presence and promotion of the glory of God. And therefore the cultivation of spiritual appetite is a great duty for all the saints. Men . . . ought to indulge those appetites. To obtain as much of those spiritual satisfactions as lies in their power. That persons need not and ought not to set any bounds to their spiritual and gracious appetites. "For God giveth to a man that is good in his sight wisdom, and knowledge, and joy" (Ecclesiastes 2:26). facebook.com/lovejoypeaceforever

RC quote on the Roman Catholic Church's teaching on justification ( 17:25 )... "you have to have the faith but you also have to have the works.. when? BEFORE you are justified and those works are part of the grounds or basis of your justification." That is a complete distortion of what the Roman Catholic Church taught at the Council of Trent. For example: "And whereas the Apostle saith, that man is justified by faith and freely, those words are to be understood in that sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed; to wit, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, **because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification;** without which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that **none of those things which precede justification-**whether faith or works- merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace."

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

At about 17:45 R C Sproul misrepresents Catholic Teaching on Justification. From the Council of Trent Decree on Justification: "But when the Apostle says that man is justified by faith and freely, these words are to be understood in that sense in which the uninterrupted unanimity of the Catholic Church has held and expressed them, namely, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation and root of all justification, without which it is impossible to please God and to come to the fellowship of His sons; and we are therefore said to be justified gratuitously, because none of those things that precede justification, whether faith or works, merit the grace of justification." So Trent explicitly states that Justification is a totally free and unmerited gift.

Thank you Jesus

Matthew Chapter 25 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Does the R C in R C Sproul stand for Roman Catholic

If you truly are saved, then you know that you are truly saved. You remember the day that you accepted Christ as your Saviour, and you remember the spiritual fruit that you began to bring forth. Somewhere along the way, usually in a very subtle manner, your love for Christ began to fade. You probably didn’t see it when it began, again, it was subtle. But there came a point where the mesmerizing sounds and sights of the world (Satan) began to ever so delicately lead you away. Years have gone by now. And in those years God never gave up on you, as you always heard His voice, whether through conviction of your sin, or when He would lift the scales off of your eyes to allow you to see what He, out of His love for you, protected you from when He should have let you suffer. You have, no doubt at some point, went back to church, or perhaps run into one of you brothers or sisters as you were going along your day. Maybe they doubted your salvation, or they may have said outright that you weren’t saved. Your salvation is between you and God, no one else. The most agonizing words that you will ever “hear” Christ say is, “I had so much more for you.” , by the look of disappointment on His face, after everything has gone through the fire. Your face will drop into your hands, as the sorrow of shame and loss begins to take hold of you. You turn to face the other direction with your face still in your hands and the weight becomes much. You fall to your knees, and with the weight of this sorrow you lean forward, sobbing as you begin to feel what you lost. You experience this as an empty oil barrel being hit on its sides, only to hear and feel the emptiness of that which should have been in this life, and that which Christ would have had in store for you in Heaven. Then the shame overcomes you. To realize everything Christ did for you, and what little to nothing you did for him. Christ walks up from behind you, on the left hand side, kneels down on His right knee and places His right arm over your shoulders. He squeezes your shoulder with His hand, and intuitively you hear His words, “Come on, John.” Christ stands up and walks in front of you, as you wipe the remaining tears from you eyes. After your right hand takes its final wipe across your eyes, you see Christ’s nail pierced feet. What you could only begin to imagine from your earthly perspective, of the horror and agony that Christ went through on the cross, becomes reality as you look at His feet. You put both of your hands on His feet, and looking in no other direction, you begin to say “Thank you”, as you lean toward His feet. As you say this, it’s nothing like what you understood in this life. Now, you free from sin, and whole, in His likeness. Each time you say thank you, you find that you have to say it again, not because it would be expected, but because of the overwhelming understanding of what He went through for you, personally.

fruit of the spirit is inevitable in life of a true believer ... good works is the by product of faith...an evidence that you're truly saved... 1 JOHN 3:6 "" NO ONE who knows Him keeps on sinning..No one who CONTINUE to SIN has either seen Him or known Him.

I read some of the comments and it hurts my heart. The whole world reads these comments and it's full of people called by the name of Christian and arguing and things that don't matter and the underlying bitterness and anger is obvious. The Bible says that the Holy spirit will lead us into all truth. Not pride filled people lashing out in anger. It's not Christ like, wether you agree or not with rc

It's very simple, if people keep reading after that Paul will go into extensive talk about counterfeit faith and faith without works is dead and that works is evidence of the faith and that true belief means to obey. how people miss this because they're in love with their sin they love their evil that's why they missed it

Romans 6:1,2 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? 2 May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? Are people who called themselves Christians and use the grace of God as a licence to live a sinful lifestyle really saved?

Awesome, Amen >

People who embrace Calvinism/Lordship Salvation arrive at the erroneous conclusion that ONLY Luke 8:15 Christians are saved. They arrive at that conclusion based on the 5 points of Calvinism which is a man made doctrine that is false. Calvinism teaches that according to the 1st point of Calvinism(total depravity) that man is so depraved and dead that he literally cannot generate any faith on his own to believe in God or come to God. It then follows that God handpicks and chooses from eternity past a small percentage of people for salvation (unconditional election and limited atonement) by infusing them with the "gift of faith" enabling them to believe. In other words, "regeneration precedes faith" according to Calvinism for the chosen "elect few". They become the only ones that are "saved", but the rest of humanity is "predestined" to hell leaving man a predestined puppet with no free will in regards to his eternal destiny. According to Calvinism, Christ ONLY died for the chosen "elect few". According to Calvinism, the "gift of faith" that God supposedly infuses on the chosen "elect few" with "irresistible grace" cannot be resisted and is "perfect" in nature. It then follows that this "perfect faith" will not fail to produce commitment, obedience, and perseverance to the end in the chosen "elect few" (perseverance of the saints) According to Calvinism, if a Christian does not show commitment, obedience, and perseverance to the end, or does not exhibit any "fruit" or "works", or AT SOME POINT falls away into apostasy or grievous sin, then that person is deemed "UNSAVED" because the "evidence" is not there. They will be quick to label such a person as a Luke 8:13 or Luke 8:14 Christian. This is the main reason why Calvinists and Lordship Salvationists erroneously believe that there is only one kind of Christian, that is, a Luke 8:15 Christian. It leaves no room for failure in the Christian life, be it moral or doctrinal failure and if there is failure, then according to Calvinism, the person was never saved to begin with. What I just described is the faulty doctrine of Calvinism with its 5 point TULIP. NONE OF THE 5 POINTS OF THE TULIP LINE UP WITH SCRIPTURE. It appears that people who embrace Calvinism/Lordship Salvation fail to or deliberately IGNORE the many accounts of true believers who fail morally and doctrinally in the Bible, but are STILL SAVED POSSESSING ETERNAL LIFE. They ignore the accounts of the Israelites who failed morally and doctrinally as recorded in the Old Testament, and they ignore the accounts of the Corinthian Christians who were saved, but living in gross sin and immorality as recorded all throughout 1 Corinthians. They seem to ignore the account of King David, King Solomon, Samson. These were clearly Godly people who failed both morally and doctrinally. God punished them in each instance, BUT THEY WERE STILL GOD'S CHILDREN AND SAVED. Instead of acknowledging these accounts in God's Word about Christians who fail, but are still saved, Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists just love to embrace the 5 points of Calvinism and write off and dismiss failing Christians as "unsaved." Calvinists/Lordship Salvationists are STUBBORNLY WARPED IN THEIR THEOLOGY AND JUST SATURATED WITH DEEP SEATED PRIDE.

When we admit that JESUS IS LORD, that should be the end of discussion for the Carnal Christian. It would make sense if it wasn't written in the Bible that Jesus is Lord, then I can see how they would be wayward in carnality. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Philippines 2:10-11 The Holy Bible

Isn’t RC with Jesus now. What does one do there?

Faith is the fruit.

However yes we should submit to His Lordship because it makes our saved lives a whole lot easier and Jesus certainly helps us when we submit

So, what works did the thief offer? He had faith, but no works. RC said he would have no justification.

King James Bible No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

I had no idea people didn't know that salvation is salvation from sin as well as from hell...Look, if something claims it's a fish, and then has to ask whether or not it should have to live in and swim in the water, chances are it's not a fish. People who even have to ask if it is necessary to "accept" Jesus as LORD, in my opinion, have neither part nor lot in this matter and are still in the gall of bitterness. (my brain still reels from the absurdity of such a question; sinner, if HE had cast you into Hell right this moment (and justly so), you would still be bound to acknowledge HIS Lordship even if HE no longer bestows upon you a single drop of grace from now on... did HE not create you and all that you have? The impudence to ask, as if you'd do it only because you wanted Heaven, but not Heaven's KING).There is a world of difference between a being a professor of religion (that is, church member) and a Christian. The field is filled with tares among the wheat. The LORD knows those that are HIS.

"Sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts"

Gods word is always the answer. John 3:16-18 Romans 1:16. For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the POWER of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVETH, to the Jew First, and also to the Greek. The GIFT of God is eternal life because no one can earn it. Sinners can no pay their own debt. John 3:18 Romans 3:26-28. Firs Corinthians 1:18. And First Corinthians 1:21 Roman 4:5 Faith alone apart from works. John 6:47 Acts 16:31 Lordship salvation is works salvation. Romans 11:6. If we could be saved by works, then Jesus died in vain. Galatians 2:21. Works makes the cross of Christ of no effect.

Amen put your faith in Jesus Christ not in the prayer you prayed or your baptism those are necessary but don't put your faith in that put your faith in Jesus Christ

THE LORD IS LORD IN MY LIFE

Romans 4:5-8 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for His righteousness. Romans 4:6. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness apart from works. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. Romans 3:26-28 For He is the just and the justifier of them that believe in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what Law? By the law of works? Nay, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, and we all sin, First John 1:8, and we all die, but the GIFT of God is eternal life, through Jesus Christ our Lord. John 3:16-18 Believers can no longer be condemned to hell. Ephesians 1:13-14 Our guarantee of eternal life. Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know ye have eternal life. John 6:47 Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth on me hath (present tense) everlasting life. John 6:40 and John 6:29. Romans 11:6. All grace, no works. You can not earn eternal life. The gift of God is eternal life. Since it is a gift, we have nothing to boast in. You can not boast in free. Ephesians 2:8-9. Romans 11:29 For the GIFTS, eternal life, and the calling of God, John 12:32 are without repentance. Irrevocable, Can not be changed back.

since i don't know much about the scriptures...just wanted to know ..what quantity of carnality makes an individual qualified enough to be called ' carnal' ..is it one sin ,two sins or are there particular types of sins which are more carnal than the others in the sight of GOD??? i would be grateful if somebody could explain to me who is a lukewarm Christian....what does it mean that GOD will spit them out from his mouth???

What if a person has faith WITH works but LATER does not? According to this teaching , one could become lazy and STOP DOING THE WORKS THEY DID AT FIRST, not repent,and still inherit the promise! We must LOOK AT OUR PRESENT CONDITION NOT THE PAST. Paul said to look forward. Calvinism teaches once u see fruit you ARE TRULY SAVED and will persevere. But if LATER have no fruit you are still saved because you WILL repent or other times they will say you were NEVER “TRULY” SAVED TO BEGIN WITH if u didn’t repent. Makes no sense

*Death is like a door* *to door salesman* *He never makes an* *appointment he only* *knocks and un-* *announced If you Die* *in Sin willful Sin you* *will not have been* *Walking the right* *path John**8:21*

Seems like he did an excellent job presenting this part of the gospel... Paul suggests that you should keep "testing yourselves to see that you are in the faith". The bottom line is that most Christians all believe that a person is *changed* after they receive the Holy Spirit. They are "reborn" and walk in the spirit, not continue to chase fleshly desires. If you are not *changed* or in the process of *changing*, then you should question if your faith is a true "saving faith". This is a pretty good read: www.gotquestions.org/signs-saving-faith.html

but i do agree with rc on the fact that the carnal christian doctrine taught by many goes way to far

*But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.* *1Corinthians 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?* The problem in today's Evangelical Churches is that there is a suicidal lack of discernment because such denominations deny the ongoing ministry of the Holy Spirit. If your walk with God depends upon merely the recognition of orthodox doctrines without the development of a Holy Life - a life that can only be lived in the Spirit. *Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.* As you cannot be a little bit pregnant, a condition resulting in fruit, so you cannot be a bit Christian. The great obstacle to Christian growth in most Churches is the false division of Clergy and Laity. The result is that a small section of the Church who are ''professional'' give the impression that they have an authority which can nowhere can be shown from Scripture. There are elders and deacons - but this is a description of function NOT position. As a result this false elite merely infantilise the rest of the church, effectively severely restricting their spiritual growth. A lesser obstacle in Evangelical Churches is the concept of Reformation. As far as I understand, The Reformation was an attempt to restore the Church back to its state as recoded in Scripture. There is a blindness in these otherwise excellent denominations. They, correctly, criticise the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Chritian Scientists for using the Bible, but mediated through the teachings of their respective founders, The Book of Mormon, The Watchtower, and the Key to the Scriptures. However, it is clear that the Evangelical Churches mirror this practice by interpreting Scripture through the warped lens of Augustine, Calvin, and Luther - all Roman Catholic sympathisers. That is why the church is becoming impotent in bringing to maturity Sons of God.

Was the thief on the cross saved by faith alone in Christ alone, or by works? Matthew 7:21-23 Many shall come before me on that day and call me Lord, and tell me about all their good works, but, they have never done the will of my Father in heaven. The prophesied in my name, and cast out demons in my name and did many wonderful works, in my name, Then shall I declare unto them, depart from me ye that work iniquity, I never knew you. Not I did know you, and now I don't, I never knew you. Verse 21. They never did the will of my Father in heaven. What was it they did not do? John 6:40 And this is the will of Him who sent me, that ALL that seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up on the last day. John 6:29 Jesus, answered, and said unto them, this is the work of God, that ye believe on the one He has sent. The gospel. First Corinthians 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. When we believe that gospel we are sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Ephesians 1:13-14 Ephesians 4:30. John 3:18 Believes can never be condemned again. Our sin debt is paid in full and we can not go to hell for any reason. John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Jesus can not lie, but false teachers do. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, (you and I) that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, that WHOSOEVER, (YOU AND I ) BELIEVETH in Him, should not perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. Jesus said it, I believe it, and that settles it. How long does everlasting life last? For ever and it is free. All we have to do is believe it one time to be saved forever. Jesus said it, and He can not lie.

When Paul writes to the Corinthians about being carnal, there are two Greek words for carnal. Sarkinos, and sarkikos. Sarkinos means made OF flesh. This is the sinner. Sarkikos means made LIKE flesh. The believer, not living after his TRUE nature (the SPIRIT), but after his old, dead nature. If you live in sin, and are content, and there is nothing deep inside you that objects, you are sarkiNOS, not sarkiKOS.

WORKS DO NOT TAKE PLACE, IN A BELIEVER'S LIFE, IMMEDIATELY!! I canNOT emphasize that enough. It may take YEARS for good works to manifest themselves. But, they will, at some point. It is a collaborative effort.

Right on RC !

They feel they will be heard for their much speaking.your works are the manifestation of your salvation.you have no faith.your faith comes from JESUS.

He means carnal self when he says self.

RC was a backsliding Christian himself, but he got a pass. Worship Jesus, not RC the carnel Christian.

Practice Matthew 18 with the Christian and it is simple…

The carnal one will not enter! There is no such a thing as a carnal Christian.

Baptist believe only in Romans 10 they don't believe in acts 238 after Romans 10 they ignore baptism after receiving the indwelling of the holy Spirit baptism is essential for salvation acts 22 verse 16 they don't take the Bible to mean what it says the thief on the cross well not everyone received salvation the way he did he didn't have the time or opportunity to be baptized he never heard of Christ that's the difference water baptism is essential if you know better and have the opportunity if you don't have the opportunity that is completely different faith is believing but it's also action God says don't be lazy in your faith in Hebrews Jesus showed us by example we are christians we believe we follow Jesus and we act on what we believe we are not perfect but we have obedient faith Moses was obedient faith and Peter was obedient etc they profess him with their mouth they deny by how they live

We do sin but we don't live in idolatry sin

ther is a sin that leadeth to death and there is a sin that dont lead of to death so yal read day and night then we will know the truth

No such thing as a carnal Christian? No problem, let me rip the first couple chapters of 1 Cor out of my Bible.

The thief on the cross destroys this false gospel.

wtom04 continues to justify immorality. he made this comment on repentance: "Repent" does not mean "turn from sin" or "stop sinning". In the Greek, it means "change of mind" or "change of thinking". It means to let go of your preconceived ideas about how to be saved which is "stop sinning" or "turn from sin", but to just BELIEVE in Jesus finished work on the cross and a person is instantly imputed with Christ's righteousness and is justified positionally before God forever. MY RESPONSE USING THE WORD OF GOD the Lord Jesus gave the definition of repentance HIMSELF, so that truth rejecters like U would not be able to distort its definition. "The men of Nineveh will arise at the judgment with this generation, and condemn it, because they REPENTED at the preaching of Jonah.." Matt. 12:41. when we go to the OT passage the Lord quoted to define repentance we read, "Then Jonah began to go through the city....proclaiming, 'Yet in 40 days Nineveh will be overthrown.' Then the people of Nineveh believed God; and they called for a fast...from the greatest to the least of them. When the word reached the king of Nineveh, he arose from his throne, laid aside his robe...covered himself with sackcloth and sat down on ashes. And he issued a proclamation and published it through Nineveh, '...do not let man, beast, herd, or flock taste anything. Do not let them eat nor drink water, but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them cry mightily to God. Let everyone TURN FROM HIS EVIL WAY AND FROM THE VIOLENCE THAT IS IN THEIR HANDS....And when God saw their works, that THEY TURN FROM THEIR EVIL WAYS, He relented and did not bring upon them the calamity He said He would; and HE DID NOT DO IT." Jonah 3:4-10. when John the Baptist came to Israel preaching REPENTANCE, many repenting sinners asked him what they should do, "and the crowds asked him, 'what shall we do?' and he answered them, 'whoever has 2 tunics is to share with him that has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise. (COMPASSION FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE) Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, 'teacher, what shall we do?' And he said to them, 'Collect no more than what you are authorized to do.' (STOP THE GREED AND DISHONESTY) Then some soldiers also asked him, 'And we, what shall we do?' And he said to them, 'Do not exhort money from anyone by threats or false accusation, and be content with your wages." (VIOLENCE, ROBBERY, GREED) Luke 3:10-14. BTW failure to do this, acknowledge their sins and repent (abandon) is the reason why Jesus told the Pharisees that the prostitutes and tax collectors were entering the kingdom of God before them in Matt. 21:31. CONCLUSION. the Lord Jesus gave the definition of repentance, a desire to depart from all conduct that is displeasing to God and a willingness to do it. John the Baptist preached the same!

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Who ever heard of partially cardinal what is that why are you making up stuff RC Sproles you're crazy

I have an on going struggle with porn :(

Sproles doesn't understand or you know when Jesus said you don't understand how it happens when you're born again you don't understand how it happens it's it's a spiritual thing so do you know this is ridiculous everything that this man has said it's a waste of everybody's time

Typical Calvinist, twisting the sciputure to fit there systematic!

RC Sproul fails to acknowledge 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 where a carnal Christian was having sexual relations with his stepmother, but Paul makes the following pronouncement on this person by saying in verse 5, " 5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, that the spirit may be SAVED in the day of the Lord Jesus. The apostle Paul then gives an update on this carnal Christian man in 2 Corinthians 2: 6-10 - 6 Sufficient to such a man is this punishment, which was inflicted of many. 7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to FORGIVE HIM, and COMFORT HIM, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. 8 Wherefore I beseech you that ye would CONFIRM YOUR LOVE TOWARD HIM. 9 For to this end also did I write, that I might know the proof of you, whether ye be obedient in all things. 10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; It appears that God had mercy on this sinning carnal Christian and he is SAVED. It is wrong for RC Sproul to say that a carnal Christian is "unsaved". Paul taught otherwise. Sproul's theology is seriously flawed because it is deeply rooted in the false doctrine of Calvinism.

So anyone who believes what RC Sproles is saying does not believe in John 316 they do not believe what God said there for Grace is canceled so even though RC Sproles claims to believe in Christ Christ was not sufficient unless RC Sproles lived a certain kind of way I feel sorry for RC Sproles because if he only knew you cannot make it to heaven by your works or by the way you live your life but you can make it to heaven by putting faith in the way that Christ lived his life

preposterous lies

..this man is a liar..

R C Sproul is going to hell. Catholicism is faith plus works. Calvinism is faith that works. Both are works based systems that lead to hell. If you have faith alone that is never alone then you are going to hell. True salvation is faith alone in Christ alone that was always alone. Romans 4:5. Ephesians 2:8-9.

Christianity is carnal

If you BELIEVE the house is on fire..... You WILL Act accordingly, and get out....you WON'T sit there and finish your movie!

I love the lessons from RC. I learned more in the first month after finding him, then I learned in ten years of attending Christian church's after salvation.

Anyone who has saving faith is a changed person; if they aren't changed they don't have saving faith 😍 speak truth!!

if you continue in sin your in for a spanking, discipline from the Lord

Jesus said that there will be many who will say to him, "Lord, Lord..." and yet He will tell them, "Depart from me, for I never knew you." Why did He never know them? Because they never believed the gospel, they never believed on what He did on their behalf for their sins on the cross, never believed in *who* He is: God who came in human flesh to die for the sins of the whole world and be raised again in a conquering of death. Calling Him "Lord", or even making him "Lord" does not mean one is saved and it is not what saves. It is faith in Christ alone, as the only way to be reconciled to God, the only way to have our sins forever washed away, that saves the soul. The rest comes after salvation, through discipleship, reading the word (the bread), and growing: sanctification. A person cannot do those things, have any strength or power or understanding to do them, until they have been born again (regenerated) by God through faith (believing on Jesus Christ and what He did for them personally). So, if Jesus says there are those will call Him "Lord" and who will bring up all the wonderful things they did in His name but He does not know them because they are not His (never believed on Him even though they did works and thought they did amazing things for Him), then making Him "Lord" has nothing to do with salvation. He is Lord whether a person recognizes or understand that or not. One day every knee shall bow and ever tongue shall confess that He is LORD, even the unsaved. Scripture says that no one can call Him "Lord" but by the Holy Spirit, and only those who are saved have the Holy Spirit. Therefore only the saved person can learn and grow to appreciate Him as Lord. Whether a believer does or not, Jesus is still Lord, the Great I AM.

RC admits that a Christian can be carnal just not full carnal? The question is does he have a copy of what is considered carnal vs full carnal

Regeneration does not precede faith. The gospel. First Corinthian 15:1-4 That Christ died for our sins, according to the scriptures, that He was buried and rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after ye heard the word of truth, the GOSPEL of your salvation, in whom also (AFTER) ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise unto the praise of HIS GLORY, Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit in whom ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. We are given eternal life the second we believe. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but BELIEVETH on Him who justifieth the ungodly, his FAITH is counted for righteousness. Faith alone in Christ alone plus nothing. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth righteousness without works. Blessed is the man whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. John 3:18 Believers can no longer be condemned because the GIFT of God is eternal life, to everyone that believeth. To the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16. Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me HATH, (present tense0 ETERNAL LIFE. If you have eternal life today, you will still have eternal life 100 years from now. Jesus can not lie. Romans 11:6 AMAZING GRACE, JESUS PAID IT ALL AND WE PAID 0. IT IS FREE, or not at all, because a sinner can not redeem himself. I possess everlasting life. First John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that BELIEVE on the name of the Son of God, that ye may KNOW YE HAVE ETERNAL LIFE. Jesus said it, I believe it and that settles it. Sorry I wrote so much. But I want everyone to believe and receive the free gift of eternal life by faith alone apart from any works. Roman 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, the bad news, but, the good news, THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE, through Jesus Christ our Lord. We repent, change our mind and quit trusting in what we do to save us to trusting in what Jesus did to save us and accept as a free gift.

In this message you are never sure you are saved. Believe on the lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Amen Thank you Jesus

There should be no controversy IF they are grounded in the scriptures. Of course, the NT clearly states more than once that those who are drunkards, fornicators , liars, covet (which is idolatry), etc will NOT enter heaven. False teachers too often preach the need for forgiveness, but not delivered. Jesus said, “If you love me you will obey My commandments.” The days of apostasy and weak theology is allowing this kind of religion to lead many to remain hell-bound. Thank you for this program just HEAR Spirit and Truth. The Carnal Christian are those Jesus will rebuke, “I NEVER KNEW YOU.” - In reality, they never knew God either.

When Jesus was on the cross, something was happening to him. He was receiving punishment. A person would need to claim that they are deserving of punishment and this must be their confession. To believe that you are deserving of punishment requires dying to self. To see our sin from God perspective requires God, the Holy Spirit to bring the word to our hearts. The Jehovah witness believe that Jesus die on the cross for their sins. But do they believe that they are deserving of eternal damnation on account of their sin? A person who does not believe that they are not fully deserving of eternal damnation for their sin will have no place for God‘s word in their life. His word and Jesus Christ will be irrelevant to them. We must be fully dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ. Directing people to their free will as the means of obedience rather than on the obedience that comes through faith in Jesus Christ is to lie about how infinitely glorious Jesus Christ is. The object of our faith is primarily Jesus Christ, not our obedience. Because he is the messiah, the Son of God, he raises people to life in himself by his own glory and goodness. When a person looks at Jesus, they see the father. Do you have the correct Jesus Christ? I have a fence post in the middle of my paddock, just one post standing alone in the middle of the paddock. Whenever I drive my four wheel drive in the paddock I have to avoid that fence post. Because it is true that the fence post is there, it required something of me, otherwise I would run into the post. It is not a matter of making a decision as to if the fence post is there, but a matter of seeing the fence post. You don’t need to make a decision that the world is round, you need to see, hear, understand and believe that the world is round. Every word that comes out of the mouth of almighty God will either create something or be some law by which things work. Everything that originates from man or demons is lies. If God was to decree that the world be square tomorrow, the world would become square tomorrow and that would then be truth. Because it is true that God is infinitely glorious this truth requires that our hearts be full of his glory. If we see hear and understand who he is we will become full of all worship of him without fail. The fact that all of us fall short of his glory is on account of our sin. We are all looking in the wrong direction (inwardly at ourselves). We are so blind and deceived in sin. Seeking and understanding are included in the term righteousness, which none of us have, not even on. If none seek him on account of their sin, how will any find him? God’s election is the grace by which we are saved. It is the grace of God that makes one man to differ from another. Do any of us have any advantage over others? No, none can boast or judge another. Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the dessert, so the Son of man must be lifted up, that all who believe in him will not perish, but have eternal life. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed. Justification is though faith in Jesus Christ because Jesus came into the world, that whoever believes in him will not perish, but have eternal life. He did not come to save the righteous, but sinners. If you don’t like this justification through faith in Jesus Christ, you could try believing in him.

Rc sproul neverunderstood James chapter 2. Faith with out works is dead in the eyes of men. Workless faith does not benefit any beholder... nevertheless,but to him that worketh not but believeth on him that justfy the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

As the body without the spirit is dead, faith without works is dead!

This is really not any different at all than what Catholicism teaches on the subject, they just word it differently. Stop trying to harmonize faith and works, it's not possible... just teach the gospel which is what saves if you believe. Can you continue in sin and still be saved? Yes, because we all do, just to different extents. Should we? No. We are all carnal until we die and are glorified

*DO NOT BE DECEIVED: (1) a real Christian can die spiritually; (2) a saving faith can cease to exist (Luke **8:13**), become shipwrecked (1 Tim. **1:19**,20), be destroyed (2 Tim. **2:18**); Spiritual death for the righteous who turn to evil is a FACT!*

On the contrary, some Christians sin so horribly that God has to take them home early. 1 Corinthians 11:30 “For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” (KJV) Paul rebuked the Corinthians because of a man who was committing incest, but he never said that the guy wasn't saved. 1 Corinthians 5:1 “It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.” (KJV)

John 14:21. Christ say if you love me you will be my commandments