The Case for Christ? (Atheist Responds) 

I've seen them around Uranus

HAH! And I used to be the queen of Romania on alternate weekends. (Not to be confused with that awful Romanian queen, Queen Latifah.

😂 you actually believe what you're saying?

If by evidence,he means proofs,which means reasons I believe,then yes there's a abundance of evidence. There is a abundance of evidence,its just really bad evidence. Let's see if this jesus actually resurrected. First we have to know there was a jesus. Its not tough to think there was a guy named Jesus. Second,see if resurrection is possible. Have we seen it ever before? No. Is it possible,yeah,is it probable,no.

@@metaplayground436 Yes, because what I am saying is true. Sorry kid. Truth hurts.

@totalspoof8344 You don't seem to understand the words "evidence", "proof", "reasons", or "probable".

Paul, Gospels, Church Fathers, Josephus, Tacitus, Mara Bar Serapion all mention the crucifixion. What is the problem?

I tend to favor Stoicism myself!

Epicurus was a hedonist. He was just the best kind. It and stoicism have a lot of overlap, sometimes to their dismay. The problem I have with stoicism is its emphasis on virtue, because I view "virtue" as being only one person's view of another, not anything objective. While I am a deontologist who believes that morality is the set of obligations we place on each other, I do not exist merely to make others happy. I choose to make them happy when it makes me happy to do so, or when I determine that I will regret not making them happy.

Christian apologists are all liars - it's practically a requirement of the job. The "I used to be an atheist" trope is one of their favourite lies, one that's quickly exposed when they proceed to strawman what it means to be a non-believer.

When they start with a pretty accurate statement about Atheism, then I'm pretty strongly convinced that the rest of the story is lies. And that they know they are lying. Probably for the money.

A more recent example of the Epicurian life I'm referring to was Robert G. Ingersoll.

Interstingly enough, 'journalist' is on the list for the top five jobs chosen by psychopaths.

Of course he's a liar.

I have no reason to presume he wasn't an atheist. There's nothing an atheist "would do" except not accept the proposition that one or more gods exist. Otherwise, they do all sorts of sensible or silly things, sometimes by the same person.

@@grumpylibrarian I'm sorry you failed to understand my post. For your benefit, I'll try again. If you ARE "A" and you're musing about being "B" you don't ask yourself "What if A?" You already KNOW what A is like. Instead, you ask yourself "What if B?" And, if you're already A you don't ASK YOURSELF what are my morals if I'm not B, you already KNOW what your morals are. Lee Strobel is a bit like you: not particularly bright. He makes it perfectly evident that he NEVER thought from the perspective of an atheist, and wouldn't know how to think that way.

He lies, he knows he lies, he knows we know he lies, and yet he continues to lie. For the money probably

@@MrCanis4 If once listens to Less Strobel or William Lane Craig or J. Warner Wallace, it would seem that more men have been brought to Christ by pussy rather than scripture.

Satan brought you here, praise him

@@danger.snakesProof positive that the RU-vid algorithm is Satan incarnate! All hail the RU-vid algorithm!

​@@danger.snakes 😂

Then he thought "how do I make some money out of this?". And here we are.

that's true, Josephus was modified

thanks for the support

@@danger.snakesKeep up the great work exposing these lying charlatans. 😁

ye my trusty Gibson SG

I've always thought that argument self-defeating. If they think that an embarrassing account of something makes it more likely to to be true, and the people writing the account wanted it to be believed, then wouldn't they have intentionally lied about the details to make them embarrassing? Exactly the opposite of what the argument was designed for.

PLUS those quotes are from old testament scripture seen as fulfilling prophecy. Including that Jesus was a peasant

oh its been proven there were tons of other stories about messiah like healers who could perform miracles… Also lookup Iesus the Son of Zeus. Myth of Jesus was born in Roman culture… thus its possible Jesus was formed from Iesus … note the extremely similar words.

Yep. Apollonius of Tyana is an interesting parallel.

well other than the Christian Church existing and roman/Jewish historical writings

Exactly! There were many people just as YESHUA/YAHUSHUA. He never existed the way they said...

​​@@calfoxThe Christian church and Roman/Jewish records aren't evidence for any of Jesus' supposed magical powers, only that there are people who think he possessed them.

His lies make a good story? I mean, if you're selling Jesus, why lie?

It’s a story…. “Good “ is a stretch. Which topic are we supposed to be struggling with? Christianity? Not exactly difficult, is it?

I am not familiar with either of these

The transcendental argument is essentially 'God is necessary for us to think logically; we think logically; therefore God.' As it starts with its conclusion, it is not a valid argument, and as the first premise has not been demonstrated to be true, it is not a sound argument.

I've already read it and I fundamentally agree with the thesis but think it irrelevant to where we go next

@@danger.snakes does that mean you agree with his thesis that if we got rid of Christianity entirely that it would be hell on earth (as Nietzsche thought)?

@@rodblues6832 no and I don't think Nietzsche thought that

You can mix a hedonistic lifestyle with other forms of lifestyle and it works out pretty well except perhaps causing early unalive

The swoon theory, generally discredited, though I rather like it - it’s highly suspicious that the legs of the thieves on either side of him were broken but Jesus was spared that fate - it was an inside job. 😉

@@Cantstanya Or, alternatively, that part of the story was just made up. We can be reasonably certain that the "real" Jesus was crucified, but beyond that none of the details of his execution can be corroborated. Likewise, we can be reasonably certain that Julius Caesar was assassinated on the senate floor, but that doesn't give us any reason to assume Shakespeare's account is an accurate depiction of events.

correct

@@danger.snakesBest reply possible.

It's better than basing your life on claims that aren't true.

don't insult Peter Griffin like that

thanks for the correction: I read more than I listen

we go on about it because the actions of the followers of Christ have a direct impact on us and our lives, e.g. a large majority of the anti-woman and anti-LGBT legislation passed

You could find a better way to live.

@@danger.snakesIt’s like these people slept through the death of Roe and the onslaught of anti-LGBTQ legislation.

@@danger.snakesatheist ✨cope✨

@arlenemay7600 I have two words to counter your lack of understanding about why non-believers “go on about it.” : Street Preachers. You personally, may not try to convince us. However, most of Christianity believes that it is their business to mind everyone else’s business. They believe that their job IS to convince the heathens, the sinners and the nonbelievers to follow Jesus. And in their efforts to accomplish their goals, they pack up loudspeakers and microphones into their cars and transport their equipment to other people’s neighborhoods to preach the gospel to people who aren’t really interested in hearing their amplified blatherings. They show up to local LGBTQ+ Pride events and shout their nonsense about how gay people are all going to hell. One might ask, “What’s wrong with that? We’re saving souls!” To which I would respond, “Did you happen to notice that the LGBTQ+ Pride Parade ISN’T routed in front of your church? Or your house? So why did you leave your safe neighborhood to invade someone else’s safe neighborhood so that you could spread your hatred?” Why does the Christ-fascist Moms for Liberty organization invade school boards to ban books? Why do conservative think tanks like The Heritage Foundation, advocate for “school choice” that forces non-Christian taxpayers to support Christian schools at the expense of public school funding? Why does the U.S. Supreme Court continue to uphold blatant discrimination as “religious freedom?” That’s why people who don’t believe in your god, go on about it. Hope that helps.

thanks for the opinion random man

@@danger.snakes gets upset that someone has different thoughts... you are Reddit level cope.

Any level is better than the low bar of religion.

@@calfox Can you read my mind too?

@@courageousmelon5654 Yes and it's it not pretty whats going in there

Single and puberty can't be easy.

I don't know of any cosmological model that proposes that we got something from nothing.

I don't buy the statement that you can't get existence from nothing because you end up with infinite recursion when you apply that same thing to god, which is a lot more complex than the universe around us god isn't real

If God exists and *designed* Man, "in His image", why have us humans got vestigial tails? Personally, if you think a *mind* (which is *no matter* ) created all the *matter* of the Cosmos you are not thinking logically.

Funny thing is only theist claim from nothing. Science say's no such thing and being atheist has nothing to do with it. The god claim with no evidence is god created from nothing just magic.

There is no logical contradiction in God's non-existence.