The Catholic Church is a Force for Good in the World - Full Version 

True, only people with evil hearts murder the innocent.

So, let's comemorate with the Piano Concerto number 1.

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@Ron dude.. The truth can never be put down.

I think it is unfair for the side that was against: one of the speakers did not speak in his native language, and the other one has a voice that make me want to skip ahead a bit... I think they should have found an elequant catholic bishop/priest.

haha preach

xD

Who's Dolores Umbridge?

Harry potter villain

She's a villian from Harry Potter who was ultra conservative and a total cunt.

This is S Tier English, incredible selection of words to accurately get his point across with no filler. Incredible speech and full of passion and zeal.

Fry has been extremely nasty about religion and in particular the Christian faith!

@@DB-qw6xq Good! Religion is delusional

@@DB-qw6xq Would you call the people who call Epstein a pedo "nasty"? No, because they are just correct, and so is he.

@@haydencarn8737What happens to your argument here if @DB-qw6xq does call Epstein's critics "nasty"?

I would have loved to have been there, just an absolute tour de force from Hitchens & Fry.

Wow, awesome work. Thabk you for your skill.

Who are you?

Thats so cool. I would have been electrified by stephens speech and presence

To witness such a speech in your lifetime from this man must have be awe inspiring

Ya I would agree, the bishop's points were not very strong. I don't think he knew who his opposition was. He wasn't there to give a homily, he was there to go to war.

Dont forget repeating church IS good as a dogma

And 3: there are lots of catholics

@@AreMullets4AustraliansOnly jup interesting how he points that out thinking its an argument for beeing good. i mean how?

@@aretrograde7745 It makes me wonder if he has ever heard people so denounce his church, indeed if knows much of it's history.

A.W.'s entire speech was pomposity, vanity, arrogance, ego....and spittle decorated personal attacks against Hitch. But evidence? Nope. She's an example of Catholicism that will disgust and repulse any reasonable person. All she had to do was show the world the truth of her religion, and by revealing her vicious nature, she managed to drive thousands away. Good job, champ.

“Secular atheism” Is an oxymoron.

I'm religious but man, her defence was so contradicting I got second hand embarrassment just listening to her.

Atheism is not a religion, just like not-believing in Santa Claus or smurfs is not a religion. If anything, 'secular atheism' is closer to a pleonasm.

@@RazorRamonElJefe If you are in the same belief system as ann you should perhaps reconsider

Yes, as I said, above, I would love to see all the notes.

Did you see Anne widdecombe constantly speaking over Hitchens & Fry? The only reason she failed to interrupt them was her mic was turned off.

​@@tracygallagher4632yes.... But she's still alive and thriving today while Hitch is toast and Fry is a drooling idiot.

That’s how a debate should be. You listen to what your opponent says and you take notes to properly come back to address their points.

L B there are plenty of good reasons to lie

@L B "made murder immoral" yeah because it was okie dokie free for all before the catholic church. No one any where got in trouble for killing people on the grounds its not a nice thing to do. They sure as hell made strides in the art of protecting their followers from the punishments of child rape, though. The point is there isn't a SINGLE good thing they or any religion did that couldn't have been done WITHOUT religion. Their wholly unique contributions range from unnecessary to outright crimes against humanity.

@@neiloch Neiloch religion was the foundation of society. It was the explanation before science existed, it was what brought people together. Technically religion created today's society if you take it from history perspective. So.. today's society wouldn't exist without religion. I think just this was a good thing and you can't just say ''no it didnt'' because 4000 years of history are some sort of proof to me.

Dear Atlas right if religion didn't create today's society we would be so much further ahead and not still debating whether religion is good or bad or if we should stop the fundamentalist that are trying to make America a theocracy. Would have killed a lot less free thinkers and witches too. Man the satanic panic wouldn't have happened. we wouldn't have people trying to teach creationism homophobic bigotry in school and being surprised when the parents stand up against it and sue. History shows that when religion takes over many humans die and your rights are greatly infringed upon. When you have a theocracy based on a "religion of peace" humanity, morals, and treating others as you would treat yourself die and in their place is resurrected suspicion, superstitious ignorance, anti science, immoral silencing of any dissent, and misogynistic rules against women

@@MrTheanimekiller We dont know if society would be further ahead. You can guess at best but you can't be sure. But surely the advance of religion in ancient societies is completely logical. No matter how many times you go back religion will always be a foundation.

The fact that the atrocities of the Catholic church date back several hundred years should be eye-opening

The catholic church did not commit atrocities during ww2. Rather, it was nazism, an atheist ideology that committed all these atrocities. Further, in the 20th century we also had communism, maoism, fidel Castro, pol pot, who all slaughtered millions based on an atheist ideology.

@@91Durktheturk Interesting then, that the German soldiers had belt buckles with the inscription: "Gott mit uns". Quite atheist yes... Their ideology was not fueled by belief or disbelief in god however. Communism on the other hand was definitely fueled by atheism to a certain extent. There are many shades of communism, but the only kinds that have been turned into governments were mostly authoritarian, in countries with great poverty, great unrest and/or with a history of great repression of it's people. The Russian zar while a Christian did not do much good for the Russian people either.

@@Great.Dane. ***Interesting then, that the German soldiers had belt buckles with the inscription: "Gott mit uns". Quite atheist yes...*** Which is what German soldiers had on their belt for long before Nazism started. The German army was also a seperate institution from Nazism. You can therefore not conclude based on a belt that nazism was not atheist. Also, plenty of historical evidence that Nazism was basically an atheist creed, Hitler’s views as an atheist are well known and documented, as well as the atheist views of other high ranked Nazi’s. You would have to ignore all that evidence.... It is also well documented that the Nazi’s had plans to eradicate the church. ***Their ideology was not fueled by belief or disbelief in god however.**** Actually it was. It was based on beliefs that could only exist in an atheist framework, such as social darwinism, eugenetics, beliefs that were shared with progressive atheists in other countries in the 1930s, such as Britain. ***Communism on the other hand was definitely fueled by atheism to a certain extent. There are many shades of communism, but the only kinds that have been turned into governments were mostly authoritarian, in countries with great poverty, great unrest and/or with a history of great repression of it's people.*** In the beginning of the 1900s you could say about most countries that they had a history of repressing their own people. So not a very useful standard don’t you think? Also, funnily enough, Russia was a democracy after the February revolution, before Germany, frightened by that prospect of a powerful democratic Europe, send Lenin back to Russia. The rest is history..... Also, communism is authoritarian by its very nature. ***The Russian zar while a Christian did not do much good for the Russian people either.*** That really depends on the tsar. Peter the Great did lots of good things for Russia, and was deeply religious. Tsar Alexander the II was also a great tsar, who did many good things for the Russians. The last tsar however was incompetent.

@@91Durktheturk "The catholic church did not commit atrocities during ww2" How about after? All that kiddy-fucking has gone on into modern time. And the Catholic church was instrumental in spiriting genocidal maniacs abroad, like Franz Stangl, to find asylum in fascist states in South America and the Middle East.

Imagine her trying to speak seductively. I would pay good money to see that.

@@kkgauthier Especially to David Beckham.

She sounds like a Monty Python character.

@@0142Jason Strangely, her retirement from politics started about the time the now late Python Terry Jones sadly lost the ability to speak. Coincidence?

@@0142Jason Haha exactly. Sounds like a Python's guy trying to sound like a woman.

Meanwhile, here in the USA..... By age 5, my daughters (now adults) were already correcting their teachers on the proper use of "I" and "me." After a few years, we had to tell them to just hold their tongues, because none of their teachers ever learned to speak English properly. It is such a treat to hear people who have truly mastered the language. I think I know our language better than most, but Christopher's vocabulary is so immense that he often forces me to consult the dictionary. I should also point out that the Bishop has excellent command of the language, though his subject matter is simply nonsense.

I especially like Hitch's very poorly disguised contempt for the Church :D

@@genghiskhan7041 I don't think he tried to hide it at all actually. It was out there. Front and centre.

The Catholic Church cannot be a force for good, as it’s foundation principles are antithetical to all good. It is a system of power, and coercion. Individuals within the organization can be a force for good, but that is in spite of the organization, not because of it.

@@bpitch1071 I am actively involved with a charity providing education in Africa. Our basic task is to overcome all the damage done by the catholic church over the past few hundred years.

And you do?

Neither does Ann Widde. She is about as Christian as Abu Hamza. She is much much more an Old Testament believer... She is a religious extremist. She has little in common with the teachings of the New Testament.

No. They pretend not to get it!

And hitch is in hell and fry is fried

@@asliketheson There's no hate like Christian love. Thanks for proving Hitchen's point.

Through proper research you will find that HIV was as much a hoax as this recent "epidemic". It was also brought into existence by the medication rather than an illness.

So i assume you wore a mask during covid.....the membrane in a condom isn't small enough to prevent a virus from passing through, masks didn't work either for the same reason

yeah boy love, he's a sick man

@@jacksynth271 judge much?

Borderfox would you like some boy love? I can boy love you any time you’d like mate.

Mitchuation all you creeps and peados coming out of the woodwork to defend rich and famous creeps and peados because you think they can somehow validate your pathetic existence. You think you're the enlightened ones because you regurtitate what some Oxford educated nonce says. Use your brain for once, Hitchens and his ilk are fake intellectuals who make their living off being contrarions as if they know better than the everyone else. Their audience comprises of New Age degenerates like yourself who advocate all sorts of moral depravity. Professing to be wise they became fools

@@jacksynth271 cast all the stones you wish; just don't hide behind child rapists to hold your high ground

Nails on a chalkboard

It's one thing if you're a false singer, but a false speaker?

Me to,but more so,I would like an apology for her presence.

I was looking for this comment, just to thumbs up

She sounds like an old set of windshield wipers

To which side of the debate do you refer?

Well they said "intelligence" so that should tell you

You think the world as a whole learned something from this random debate, enough to give you hope for it? Wait, no, YOU learned a lesson from it that tells us how to fix the world? How do you even boil down the myriad of issues to, what, just religion? Reason? Empathy? Strive toward what? Whatever this is, it sounds more delusional than religion to be honest. Not to mention incoherent, I have to strawman you to see any substance in the statement.

​@@Kitiwakehes just wishing all of us a good new year Dors it matter which side hes on??

I'm returning to it on the eve of our bleak 2024 US (now seemingly ironically named) Independence Day holiday... It's at least giving me some life.

I burst out laughing!

I get your point ( do you find that's funny too?) A human is a thinking creature, at least some of us are anyway. But we're always presented with a choice. You can choose the "narrow path" of self discipline to what you believe lead to right reason. Or let your mind wander in every direction. It's called "a moral compass" or lack thereof. Sexual immorality is a wild beast if you let it gain control of your thoughts. It will do more damage to yourself and others than you can ever imagine in your present naivety.

Sexual repression is much worse and creates obsessed with sex people, like you.

+Sharwul Doesn't that reveal the intellectual content of the contributors?? The Catholic Church has hundreds of billions of euros, or dollars or pounds in it's vaults. What would the Prince of Peace have to say about this??

LOL

+helmethead72 " I've just been tortured then nailed to a tree & i'm in need of some serious medical attention, can you give me some cash for the hospital " !!!!. i think he would say something along those lines.

Keiran Bradley Interesting to discover that not long after this verbal thrashing by Christopher and Stephen, the Archbishop was made a cardinal by Pope Benedict and served at conclave which brought about the arrival of Pope Francis. The same Pope who is now the world's favourite leader, neat job by the Vatican eh? Get rid of the child abuse appeaser and get rid of all the accusations in one fell swoop.

helmethead72 The Hierarchy of RCC is indeed as the sleazy the political whores of the secular camp, they are pathetic.

For shame! For shame!

wdym "RIP" ?

@@NetworkSneed RIP is an acronym for "Rest In Peace"

@@guardingdark2860 dk what he means by 'resting' he's dead.

@@NetworkSneed It's a poetic phrase, it's not meant to be literal.

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny!

Sadly, Hitch has been dead now for well over a decade.

Whoever did the mathematical percentage differences needs to be fired, though. They weren't even close to being accurate.

​@@mpetrie i was confused for a moment too. The percentage is from the total not from the original voters. They lost 410 people that is ca. 20 % of the 2126 people that voted. Its mathematically right but an awefull way of showing the change. They went from 32% Support to 12% Support.

@@TalesStahl Ohhh.... okay, then that makes sense. But yes... it was a bizarre way to show it. Thank you for the clarification.

A little difficult to get them to collaborate again with dear old Hitch dead and buried.

R.I.P is a Christian expression, ya fool.

@@sundayseahorse and your ,,christian holidays'' are pagan, ya fool.

@@misterrex684 Some are, I never said they weren't don't jump the gun, ya moron. Away out and dance round a tree ya troglodyte.

@@sundayseahorse Is it a problem if non christians use it?

@@sundayseahorse yeah, all are of pagan origin but they changed some so much they ended up beeing boring (christian) and not pagan. At least im now allowed to dance, make beautiful paintings, play games and studie science, which the church suppressed. Go to your catacombs and pray for forgiveness, ya moron. And stop telling others to steal christian values, because christianity does/did that constantly with other religions.

si The only correct statement you made is that he supported the Iraq war. The rest is pure dishonesty, or a complete strawman of his opinions... It’s pathetic how people still use childish and dishonest debating tactics!

​@@si4632 He supported the Iraq war, yes. He did not start it nor fire a single weapon. I don't know his marital history or extra marital affairs that may have possibly taken place. Even so, how can you compare that to the absolute disgraceful behavior of so many catholic priests? At the time of this debate it was bad. This year it was revealed that there are hundreds of priests that committed these terrible cases of abuse with thousands of young boys. How dare you.

@@lespaul5734 he left his wife for a rich jew and he died from throat cancer caused by alcoholism all facts

@@si4632 The problem in the church is that priests have been molesting young children and then the higher ups covered it up and continued to do so as was revealed this year. You response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

@@si4632 What kind of argument is that? You are not very articulate. No wonder you needed to post a RU-vid video to speak for you. You still are not making sense.

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Good one.

That's harsh on magnets

@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 My son who is 31 now has never accepted any form of religion, and he tells me - never argue with a person of religion - you are wasting your time - he is a very wise man.

@@signwriter1 except there are many who have deconverted after listening to the arguments against it - which is why atheists do debates. It's not about persuading the opponent. It's about the people listening in the audience.

I would have a hell of a time defending the church too

Is it weird i heard "my father was brainwashed into a cult member and im also brainwashed"

dull and lifeless like the church

Couldn't agree more. Kind of broke my heart when the bishop said his family was one of the first converts from whatever their indigenous beliefs were. The Catholic Church is truly soul sucking.

Well, English is not his first language, maybe not even his second or third, so I'm willing to cut him some slack for that. Nevertheless, they could have picked someone better.

I think - post colonialism that English is, for all practical purposes, his first language.@@marpfel

Interesting point about the Bishop. He was well out of his class in this debate. And Anne was not capable of casting a good impression on anything. Their debate side was doomed to failure from the start.

Funny thing the Anne is still politically active in her 80s and the bishop likewise within the church. Whereas Hitchens is long dead and Fry is a drooling wreck. Both much younger also. Being wrong is a burden repayable not just in the next life, it appears.

Agreed, one shouldn't waste time debating with shitlords.

Came here to say exactly this. Even the mere fact that I am to be debating against them would make me think again about what I believe in.

Eek aye, you'd almost feel sorry for them. Almost....

Exactly my thoughts.. amateurish approach which should and could have been executed far better by the organisator. Written questions should have been send in and preselected for the panel and the time wasted going over the audience could have been allotted for extra rebuttals for the panel pro and con, in regards to issued raised by their first timeslot statements.

nevertheless impressive insights and statements by Hitchens and Frye - those alone made it a great watch :-)

Yeah, the worst part was how she would take a random number of questions between like 2 and 10 and then expect them to reply to them all. Also it's clear they didn't plan enough time for questions lol.

Seems like a format set up so each person has a better chance of having a strong argument by almost skipping the ones they find hard and concentrating on the ones they like. Debate by buffet or some shit. maybe it was set up as an attempt at a handicap in favor for Archbishop John Onaiyekan and Ann Widdecombe since the organizers knew they would get crushed.

Yeah, they should have had someone curating audience questions.

Easily answered. But fry showed his frustration at the teaching of the church which he knows doesn't condone his homosexual activity.

It's honestly something that's stuck with me for years since I first watched this. It's the most succinct and scathing condemnation. Rewatching this tonight, I thought maybe I'd misremembered and embellished the moment in my own mind, but no. It now, as before, reads to me with such... consternation, indictment, even pleading. This singular moment... is such a perfect expression that it breaks my heart.

@@lhei_tayuun He's obviously angry with the righteous position of the church on immoral sex which he himself champions. His bad.

@@Kitiwakemoron

@@Kitiwake which aspect of homosexual sex do you imagine to be immoral and why do you consider it so?

Nope. They would have had a far better chance bobbing for fries & coming out unburned because Fry & the Hitch definitely put the burn on their ass.

ask any religious person if they fear death, if death means heaven why would anyone be scared? they can just ask for forgiveness if they didn't before they died, suicide would be fixing our population problem...and our idiot problem

That's right, the opposition didn't stand a chance with that level of artful deception and the British public's ignorance.

Religious people are afraid of death. They won't admit it, but they are.

People who believe the sun is going to rise tomorrow are just afraid of it not rising. They won't admit it, but they are.

Perfectly portrays the missmatch, thank you!

hahahahhaa :D

I think they’d stand a better chance

They may actually score a point in that one.

Haha well put

Thank you!

i wonder how many people revisiting this skip the archbishop and widdicombe initial speeches. having heard them once, once is enough.

Thank you 😊

Just omit everyone except Hitch and Fry and you'll be fine.

@@davidr1431 The archbishop is tolerable, but Widdecombe was cursed with an *extraordinarily* difficult voice to listen to, about as querulous, whiny, and shrill a timbre as I've ever heard in a person. The fact that she proffers tired reactionary drivel with petulant and entitled language doesn't help.

ohhh yeah!

Yup!

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Yeah that's fair

Spot on

It is eternal.

What actually is*shame? The disapproval of the majority? That makes the majority right, of course.

@@Kitiwake The it's not right to perhaps force captive women to marry? Or to have loopholes to keep some... servants... for life...?

@@chrissonofpear1384 no no no... those arent servants sir we prefer to call them priests and nuns they work for us and do whatever we tell them to as long as we say "the master your god commands you"

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😂😂I am watching this for the first time and what you just said is exactly what came to my mind before I saw your comment

His closing argument is just irritating. He’s saying “we need to find out what the church actually says about condoms and women and homosexuality” as if he isn’t an archbishop?? Why can’t he clear the air? Then he claims that it was the Muslims who caused the Rwandan genocide when there were CATHOLIC bishops and priests on public radio actively supporting the slaughter? Brutal.

He did say something along the lines of "this is not the right place to clarify the Church's position". That made me chuckle and then also felt bad for the poor chap. Getting questioned point blank on the most difficult things for the religious to defend.

For some reason i seemed to hear the theme tune from 'Rocky' in my head lol

*Hitch walks in* Okay. Damn that is an impossible boss....But its alright, maybe if I just use all my health potions and buffs, with a bit of luck I may be able to... *Fry joins him* Okay I'm dead. Might as well just logout now to avoid the embarrassment.

something by Parliament-Funkadelic would be fantastic!

@@kabirchattopadhyay533 what the f are you lot on about

Hitchens is a fool and so is the bishop.. Catholicism IS NOT CHRISTIANITY

Stephen had the kindest message

Nothing matters if we're here by random chance.

@@maxINaus not true, its just not unconditional, for instance i am here by random chance, but id die in an instant to protect my family, because although completely random, they raised me, they took care of me, they taught me and made me the person i am, the randomness of the universe means we get to give things value from our own perspectives, not just things are special because an almighty god created them.

black lives matter

because the Catholic Church keeps sweeping it under the rug.

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I can't get enough of Fry. When it comes to rhetorics and making language an artform, Fry is second to none.

I couldn’t agree more, well put, Sir !

@@late8641 I'm not quite sure what you mean, is it in an kind of a Bertrand Russell kind of way? (Russell was also a homosexual and freemason but I have no evidence that he was a practising homosexual and fraudster like your hero, fry)

how does he rate on truth and honesty? How about family values? 😆

@@Kitiwake One can have family values without god. Also, they are open for debate and values always change. Only in the dogmatic narrow view of religion must values remain the same no matter how far society progresses. But of course, these same people see progress as something bad. I however am glad, that we are now at a time where we can have people live out their lifes as they see fit within the boundaries of law and not religion. I am happy that people can express their sexuality however they see fit as long as it is with another consenting adult. I am happy that today, the word family can have any meaning and not just man and woman. Religion always restricts and never frees. You ask for truth and honesty? We life in an age where truth can be determined by science and is no longer a matter of bronze age books written by backwards sheepherders. One can look at many apologist videos here on RU-vid to see that truth and honesty is a tool rarely used by those who are religious. Religion is a poinson and a cancer of this world and I am happy when it is finally cut out.

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Mulţumesc.

Merci

Thanks!!

Tack!

Religion at the point of a sword.

Hi we're an atheist and we like having sex with our own gender in fact we're now creating new genders, lots of them, just like God created Adam.

@@Kitiwake How pathetic even for a brainwashed old paddy

Haha! Never debate theology against a very devout and intelligent atheist. They often know the bible and can quote it better than the devout religious person. How often does that happen, lol!!!

He got it wrong. So he tore nothing except his own argument. She never mentioned "nation" state.

​@@Kitiwake Irrelevant. Widicombe and the Archbishop were lambs to the slaughter, pure and simple, (regardless of your belief or disbelief.) The Atheists sent along two of their strongest speakers and intellects, while the Church sent along an Archbishop and Anne Widicombe. The outcome was preordained.

@@fransmith3255 You base this on one debate? I implore you to watch any debate with James White against atheists and then see if you come away with that same outlook. The atheists in those debates make fools of themselves because they THINK they know more than White.

@@EdgeOfEntropy17 Hehe, made fools of themselves?? They WON the debate! That's hardly 'made fools' of themselves. The audience, even much of the self-stated religious people, voted for Steven Fry's team. Did you actually watch the video? The audience viewpoint was tested prior and after the debate - people in the audience who agreed with Steven's side actually INCREASED post debate, lol! Just because you don't agree with their viewpoint, that doesn't automatically mean they made fools of themselves. You need to learn to look at situations such as these without your religious bias. We all have biases, but you need to put your personal biases aside when judging these situations. Religious people also sometimes make great points, but these two, on this night, were just completely outclassed. Against other less capable debaters, perhaps they would have come up top, but not in this case, and no unbiased mind could fail to see that.

Hitch and Fry spoke for years compared to what the others spoke

But that wasn't the God of the Bible. Hitler was a Pantheist. To him nature is god. Hitler was a fan of Nietzsche. He was a social darwinist who believed in eugenics. Those were Hitler's inspiration who, not the God of the Bible who has commanded getting angry with a person is equivalent to murder. More people were killed by atheistic communist regimes than the atrocities committed by any religion. I am not condoning the atrocities committed by the church: the worst was Spanish Inquisition: 6000 killed over 300 years. That's wrong and reprehensible. The church should always be reminded of all the atrocities committed historically, and Christians should be humble. But atheists should maintain some modesty: just remember what happened in China under Mao, stalin in USSR and other demagogues across Europe and other countries.

@@naveen82376 Amazing how everything you've said is plain wrong, so much nonsense on the same comment. All fascist regimes had a strong link to the vatican, the very first treaty Hitler did was with the catholic church. Communism just replaces the invisible god you believe in with a visible one, Mao's regime being a great example of that. Also, no one has ever killed in the name of "nothing", however, the inquisition, the cruzades and a great number of genocides were commited in the name of god. You are in for a lost cause.

@@wsreferencia please point out what I've said is factually. Please have a look at "Hitler's Religion: The Twisted Beliefs that Drove the Third Reich by Richard weikart." It details how much Hitler hated Christianity. The communists were atheists whose actions were the result their atheism: because they are accountable to no one. Here is a report from IBT in 2016: A senior Chinese advisor on religious affairs has said the country should promote atheism throughout society, in remarks that appear to reflect a deepening campaign to reinforce traditional Marxist values in China - and could add to concern about official attitudes among believers in the country’s five officially recognized religions." Even now China detains millions of religious people. More people have been killed by atheistic regimes (mainly because of their hatred for religion) than any religion. Atheists have been murderous tyrants when they got power.

@@naveen82376 Communism and atheism are not the same thing there is not such thing as an atheist regime. Communism was the driving force in those regimes, I find it strange that the only time the word atheist even comes up in these topics is when it is linked to words like communism, almost like it wouldn't stand on it's own.

Ann is her first name.

One of the greatest orator of modern time! Brilliant mind and person.

Stephen Frye speak so beautifully

@@MyDevice-yl5pn as did satan in the garden of Eden.

Of course there was a filter, sigh. But I'll demeure on what that is so as not to offend such a delicate reader as yourself to your next biology class.

@@MyDevice-yl5pn hmm ..as you writes so beautifully.

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Yeah, one has to find some way to feel some joy and relief from what now is! Reason and intelligence is fun, wish more folks would improve their neighborhood by trying it out. Asking a bit much to find it in the comment sections these days.

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They thought that the anti catholic sentiment won but all that prevailed was a bullying attitude pushed its way to the front. My beautiful Catholic Church loves all they just don’t want to hear that.

The Catholic church is not Christian and will never be Christian.. The Catholic harlot will always be pagan luciferian Rome masquerading as a religious cult when in reality she's a highly organized satanic military organization and fascist at that with all the world leaders in her pocket.

@@dfstarborn Well that escalated quickly

@@dfstarborn what church are you with, Daithí?

@@Kitiwake I believe in the gospel according to the scritpures in the King James bible. 1 Cor 15:1-4, Rom 1:16 KJV So I guess I'd be an enemy of the luciferian Pope who hates fundamentalists who believe the infallible word of God.. Baptist fundamentalist who believes that Jesus eternally paid for my sin debt which is precious blood meaning i'm eternally pardoned from the lake of fire where all Jesuit catholics are going if they don't repent.

@@dfstarborn I m delighted to read that protesting though you are. But just consider that there would be no KJV if there were no catholic church because the bible comes to us because of that same church.

Logic left the building

Do some reading about Ireland's "Magdalene Laundries". Kinda wish their existence had been brought up. Widdecombe tried to score points by suggesting "that was then, this is now" with centuries between. Just ain't so... Galileo was tortured, but 10 years earlier, Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stake for advocating the same Copernican 'theory'... Stephen didn't state it, but that church waited four centuries before it could admit Galileo (and Bruno) were right. "We CANNOT allow science to progress or speak as it will only prove the vacuousness of our tenets... It will prove we emperors have been peddling only lies." The debate is good, if the voting, before and after, was an accurate indication of a positive change in some people's attitudes.

@Strengt of Yahweh For example?

@Strengt of Yahweh A lot of the Christian "wrongs" require absolutely no context, and it is often the apologists who tell lies trying to cover-up, hide, deflect or "explain" the most repugnant, horrendous behaviors of their ilk... So what's your point?

@Strengt of Yahweh This is exactly what someone who’s biased would say.

Good logic. It’s very sad though.

How are transubstantiation, a definition of the 12th century and the 6th century tradition of the non ordination of women to the priesthood even remotely related, for you to form that conclusion?

​@@KitiwakePerhaps not exactly related but what Jude obviously means is that on the one hand they are willing to believe something so entirely insane to be reality, while on the other hand, their willingness to embrace utter supernatural madness doesn't quite stretch to allowing women to represent Christ, simply because they are women.

The Bible spells it out clearly from the Catholic churches view that men own women. God created man but needed Adam's rib in order to create Eve. The church has raised religious men to see women as their property. Organized religion is the most damaging thing humanity ever created.

An international treasure

All other churches and organisations like the Scouts have rogue members who take advantage of their positions to cause such damage. It’s very sad that you have suffered in the way you have. Action is being taken against the abusers. You are a good man. Don’t let the memory of your abuser spoil the rest of your life, or he will have won

All of them… Islam is built on the idea Mohammad took a six year old Aisha as his wife.

Hitch's reaction to that at 35:27 was priceless.

yeah she really was as bad as possible in the whole debate, I could've made better cases for the Catholic Church and I'm an atheist ffs

You can only ever argue historical points as the future hasn’t happened yet. It’s a stupid argument.

I must admit i let out a laugh when she said that.

Whether conscious or not , she did deliver it perfectly like Leslie Nielsen 🤣

Does she have to use one on her vibrator or does blindfolding it suffice?

I love Stevens face during the following sentences.

Brilliant

Only every religion ever.

They were speaking for many, good on them, 🤘🏻🎩

I'm not surprised that fry knows what happens in court... With his record.

@@Kitiwake He went to jail for credit card fraud at 17, and paid his debt to society. Considering the catholic church shields child molestors...I don't think you should bother arguing about moral superiority.

@@BSE1320 agreed . However.. How reputation for honesty is shot

Here's what we're for ... The salvation of souls . even your mangy one.

lol ikr

One thing I would have added is the low level of intelligence of religious people

That's just a mean, hateful comment. He is not speaking in his native language and it is hard to express yourself in a foreign language.

Jay S, it’s only another reason why it was a bad idea for him to go into this debate.

@@nathanjora7627 I agree with that. But there's no reason to suggest that he is intellectually disadvantaged.

Hahaha Just keep waiting, you will be amazed in the end.

It would certainly lead by example if it were truly the mouthpiece of god on earth, as they claim to be

I also rewatch it every so often. Fuels the passion

I also enjoyed how she said that the catholic church should not be expected to behave better than society. I thought the whole thing was about how the religion is the only salvation and anything divergent is wrong. Theyre supposed to have the answer, but they keep changing their minds.

Especially bad when you remember the Catholic church claims to have the divine on their side

@@SpaceCattttt Aye, but if you're going to purport that you are a force for good in the world, that you are THE force for good in the world, you MUST hold your entire group to higher standards, and be very strict and disciplined in weeding out the chaff. There is no excuse for letting hundreds of thousands of children be raped by ministers and priests, whom are all supposed to be celibate, and not even the least bit interested in sex, nor is there any excuse for the atrocities that the Catholic church has done, both in the near and far past.

Marina Panteli So lucky, but not lucky enough to include Christopher Hitchens :(

Not for long.

@@darrengray3782 why?

Well he was ill and he seems to have disappeared, I think that we will get the news soon, could be wrong, but if I was a betting man...

@@darrengray3782 I think he had the cancer removed, didn't he?

Ah, look... The guys just a groomer

@@Kitiwake what??

Why was it more one sided, explain

@@ThomasMurrell-xr4mt If you don’t get it, I think you need to watch it beginning to end about 4 times🤷🏼‍♀️👋😇

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I read it, and I thank you for clarifying the point.

yup, i read it too and now i feel enlightened :)

Read and agreed my friend, and I felt the same. Thanks for that.

To say that condoms causes AIDS is illogical nonsense and you just said that. Promiscuity causes AIDS.

Five years later: it's still being read 😊

I think she was referring to the middle ages. People like you are hung up on child abuse. Is there something you'd like to tell us?

@@Kitiwake We dislike people who abuse children. That's what we'd like to tell you. You, meanwhile, seem hell-bent on defending those people.

@@Kitiwake i think its say you didnt understand the comment about how it doesnt matter what time in ou rhistory it was including the middle ages thats no excuse for anyone to abuse children. Also saying people who hate the idea of any form of child abuse are "hung up on child abuse" is beyond a joke, if i thought like that id be ashamed of myself.

@@Kitiwake Go defend pedos somewhere else.

@@Kitiwake I think we should all be "hung up" on child abuse, mate. It's hardly appropriate to just sweep it aside.... unless you're the catholic church, that is.

Have a look in the mirror, sunshine.

@@Kitiwake So should you dimwit

Many things that he cited as horrible are not even bad, and other points he brought up were outright lies. A sophist, very good with words and expressions, but worth f-ck all.

Says the fat suicidal

Some ego to assume he could fit the Catholic Church into a nutshell...lol

Only goes to show how well Monty Python captured the essence of older uppercrust female Britisher.

Slightly reminds me of Hyacinth Bucket.. sorry, Bouquet.

hahaha yesss

“Ms Whitman” lol 😆

I had an overwhelming urge to slap her smug face..and I'm not a violent person!

"Then what are you for" indeed. A short point that says quite a lot.

Not after 2021.

thebatmanover9000 what does that mean?

@@jackminton352 Christian theocrocy.

Only in the US my friend

@@torro8234 Many free countries all over the world experience the same freedoms.. some more so.. than the US. Please stop being ignorant. Whether it is laziness, choosing to ignore or outright denying facts. Just stop.

She also claims to be a virgin by choice... somehow I think not.

There is no better support for religion than complete silence from its progenitors.

Thanks for this. As a researcher of children's literature, she certainly clarifies for me why literature, and children's books in particular, have lampooned her kind of self-righteous and pompous behaviour with such remarkable accuracy. Someone mentioned Rowling's Umbridge earlier. But I am also thinking Roald Dahl's Agatha Trunchbull, and frankly a whole variety of characters from Dickens.

She is right about Brexit.

Nice

You really couldn't find a better person to quote?

NO NO NO Geordan, not a blind child, a dead duck. (Please tell me what Gundelfinger means.) My name means a 'swell bedroom'.

Or like bringing a butter knife to a gunfight....

Amazing... Jesus loves blind children... Maybe Mike Tyson too.

@Pat Aherne Cardinal George Pell loves blind children too because they can't point him out in a police lineup.

@@liquidbraino Dammit you beat me to it!

Brendan Butler the catholic church seems to be trying to distract from the fact that they are in opposition to ABC (abstinence, be faithful, correct use of condoms), which has been shown to work, by pointing out that telling people "just use condoms and you can fugg without worry" is dangerous. no shit, pope.

Well, that's probably because she's a monster from the depths of Hell.

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Except calling Ann Widdecombe, "Mrs Weatherman"

@@VivaMidnight lmao he actually did

@@VivaMidnight Only worthy thing he said 😂😂

That's one of the main prerequisites to become a priest in the first place. I reckon we got lucky with a measly 12 minutes, those who reach his rank are professional word-saladists and have the ability to drone on for hours.