The Celestial Toymaker | Doctor Who 

What about in "Silence in the Library"?

​​​@@ebolarnator1794did he tell her to go, or did he just teleport her to the TARDIS for Emergency Programme 1 without explaining? i can't specifically remember but i know he tricked Rose into the TARDIS for Emergency Programme 1, so I figure he could do the same for Donna

@@GDMendezWrites He tried, but the teleport bounced.

@@reubenmanzo2054 Yes, I remember that much, but my point was whether or not he explained that to Donna before *trying* to do the teleport or if he just did it

@@GDMendezWrites He says "We need to get back to the Tardis" as soon as he realises there's an infestation of Vashta Nerada in The Library. Which I'd say is a very rare occurrence with the Doctor. And with the teleport, he does trick Donna into it without her fully knowing what's going on.

Even if that's not true, I LIKE IT! And if it is true, that is an awesome catch.

Yes actually, as the same reason why he’s creating havoc as a form of distraction

Yeah, that's a good point.

I think you may be right

Bloody Hell, that's savvy! New headcanon, true or not!

Exactly

He is the Original and no body or writer will change my mind on that there should be no Pre Hartnell Incarnations.

A veteran of Hammer movies, along with the next Doctor, Patrick Troughton.

He is just as creepy as I remember.

i remember in Proect: Lazarus Parts 3-4 when the doctor was a clone he could mimick everybody

He is absolutely on point here

Although it was eventually agreed that Hartnell had to go due to his declining health, I think a lot of people forget that it was his original portrayal of the character that captivated the general public and launched the popularity of the show through the roof. It's a shame to see how his incarnation has been treated in recent years, all this 'he's sexist' nonsense and Timeless Child crap undermining one of the greats.

He was brilliant 🥺

His yoda laugh and the little hand gesture when he says "you have been defeated" always make me laugh

@@SpencerCJ omg yeah 😂

Steven didn't need to jump into the doctor's timestream to help every incarnation of the Doctor out. He did that with one inadvertent suggestion.

is that why the episode is called the giggle?

@@LegendaryXDartz Nah, he giggled like that all the time

Followed by "What have you done? Stop meddling with my shit!"

​@@TenshiCat*ship lol

​@@TenshiCatidk why but I prefer this over the actual script lol

I hope we don't have to wait another 57 years to see him again.

almost 60 years... this story aired in 1966.

He was supposed to be back in the 80's. #RealSeason23

​@@Warriorcats64But he didn't, so it's still been 60 years since the last appearance.

@@HOTD108_depends if you count eu like comics books and audio books

​@@hexogramd8430no one does

eh I like some of this show but it's starting to seem a little camp.

@@numberonedad Sometimes campiness can be part of the fun.

"Your infantile behaviour is beyond a joke."

@@numberonedad camp is literally part and parcel of Doctor Who, just like Star Trek. You just accept the camp and enjoy it like a faire ride and don't try to treat it so seriously

@@CallistaZM no kidding

Hartnell’s Doctor seemed to be a bit less restrictive when it came to showing his companions how to work “the ship”, as he called the TARDIS. Earliest moment I can recall of this was in “The Rescue” when he taught Ian how to open the doors after Susan’s departure. Him and Ian also worked together to read the fault locator in “The Edge of Destruction”, which was the story that started The Doctor on their path to actually becoming the hero we know them as today…😅☺️😁

@@christopheralthouse6378I'm just saying that it's so rare these days. I think that in the modern era only Clara and Yaz have been able to do that.

@@WarGrowlmon18 Yeah it's definitely rare in the Nu Who era. In the classic era there was Romana who could also operate it. Nyssa was able to use some functions on the console as far as I can recall. Could Zoe? I wouldn't be surprised if Zoe could. What about Adric? I know he did calculations for co-ordinates and stuff like that, but not sure if he actually used any of the console. I think Tegan could at least use the door control (I mean a big red lever in that era, pretty obvious to be fair!).

@@infiltrat0rn720Well Romana was another Time Lord so of course she could do it. The only ones that we've really seen do it in the more recent era are Clara and Yaz. Oh and River Song of course, but she was taught how to do it by the TARDIS itself. Clara is ironic because the TARDIS had hated Clara for so long, but it apparently got such an affinity for her that it allowed her to control the doors with only just a snap of her fingers, something that only the Doctor could do besides her. Notably, however, she was using the manual to help her on that other TARDIS and Yaz needed post-it notes to help guide her. I remember the fact that the Doctor tried to teach Donna how to do it, but I think that they were interrupted by Martha Jones calling them for help with the Sontarans. Maybe the Doctor's most recent companions have just not expressed much of an interest in learning how to fly it and we're just seeing the ones that have.

@@WarGrowlmon18 Nardole was also able to, but it is rare.

Yes, it is, isn’t it? Almost like he knew…😳😬😁

This proves that they’ve planned this since 1966 haha

​@@christopheralthouse6378there have been references of the number 14 in the Tennant era also

They actually planned to being him back in 1986 as part of the original plan for Season 23 before the 18-month hiatus and the shortening of that season. The story, called "The Nightmare Fair" was later given a Target novelisation and a Big Finish adaptation. It's actually set in Blackpool; at the end of "Revelation of the Daleks", the Doctor's line: "I'll take you to... [freeze frame, roll credits]" Was supposed to end with "Blackpool".

​@@silenthunterukwhat's blackpool

Blackpool is seaside resort a Town in England known for its amusement park ​@@jarrodedson5441

⁠@@jarrodedson5441A town in England

@@jarrodedson5441 It's a seaside town in the north of England. Full of arcades, tat shops, fish 'n' chip shops, things like an aquarium, a waxworks, there's Blackpool Tower which people go up to the top (it also has a ballroom), comedians like Ken Dodd performed there, there's an amusement park at one end, they have lights every autumn lining the streets, along with light diorama displays, and even light-up trams (one looks like a rocket!). In the 70s and 00s there was a Doctor Who Exhibition in Blackpool (and a Star Trek one when Discovery season 1 was out in the same building unit).

If the Toymaker was going to make anything disappear wouldn't it be the one in which he lost?😅

​@@ClintBanditoTouche. Maybe thats why he returned: to finish the job and destroy the episode where he lost

"I made a jigsaw out of your history-- do you like it?" While it could refer to the Doctor's actual history, I feel like that could also be a tongue-in-cheek reference to the "lost history" of the original series.

@@L0rdLexan01 Russell did himself comfirm this was a reference to conflicting continuities

he was in a couple of hammer movies which is why tim burton hired him for batman and a few other of his films

​@@MephProduction ohhhh snap

The 1989 Batman movie isn’t the original movie there was a Batman movie in 1966

Michael Gough, absolute legendary actor

@@surfwidow I’d like to think that the reason NPH’s Toymaker swapped accents was so the doctor couldn’t mimic his voice so easily.

Yes RTD was right..he clearly was always gay

@@jonylawson73 If by "gay" you mean energetic, then yes.

My favourite first doctor moments were when he was very excitable. Check out some of The Romans and he is so full on energy at certain points, it’s wonderful

@@seanwade8188 Awesome.

Well he is alfred.

No, Rose Tyler is the Moment😂

57 years, 7 months and 16 days

@@ronaldeliascorderocalles Wow! That was fast 😆

I am

​@DalekPrimeProductions don't underestimate a doctor who fan's autism

Yep me! Been looking forward to it forward to it since it was announced!

And, Emeeic Belasco from the Legend of Hell House

yup

He was also for a time married to a 1st/2nd Doctor companion (Polly Wright/Annake Wills)

He was in a couple of Doctor Who stories, obviously he was The Toymaker as seen here but he was also a Time Lord in Arc Of Infinity with Peter Davison

@@EuanGilmour95 of course he was!!! Can't believe I forgot that.

Actually, I thought the beginning part was found as well.

I loved that he was so arrogant and stubbornly foolish in season one. By season three, he was far more personable, wiser, and younger. ~ And that was even before his first regeneration. Plus, I still love his attire. Always the noble gent. 😉

Steven helped every incarnation of the Doctor with those words.

@@bonniestar4707 "And another thing", the Doctor said. "Never let me talk!" Later, the Angels failed to appreciate the ... gravity of the situation

@@myrddin4242maybe they'd appreciate the mavity of the situation.

@@bonniestar4707 Indeed

He

@@ergovoks5200they

HAHAHAHA! Keep on coping.

​@@ergovoks5200Not if you talk about the Doctor in general. If you talk about Hartnell in particular, then yes.

he stop with the nonsense

The fact a villain is coming back after 57 years, that has to be some kind of record in fictional media?

Will you leave my sh*t alone... DO YOU HEAR ME WILL YOU LEAVE MY SH*T ALONE

*ship

@@coolyt8354 I'm aware.

@@PerovNigma I know lol I thought you were joking

Tomorrow afternoon actually

@@jarrodedson5441 6:30pm WET

​@@jarrodedson5441you pedantic tosser 😂. it's after 6

I’ve always loved that about Steven. He’s someone who’s been through a whole heck of a lot and has seen a lot of friends die and doesn’t hesitate to do whatever he might have to to prevent that happening again. It’s a shame he’s so overlooked, he’s one of my absolute favorites and such a decent human being.

I like how he helped every incarnation of the Doctor with his sentence of talking his way out of things.

You read a book at the breakfast table? Oh my! 😮 😉

For a bit. I get the feeling it wouldn't end well for the Master, though. (S)he has a history of making unwise alliances with partners (s)he has no hope of controlling... and escaping the Toymaker wouldn't be as easy as giving the Cybermen or Axos the slip when it all inevitably goes south for the Master.

Honestly I doubt it, The Master Does team ups, but he still likes to feel like the one in control, the Toymaker doesn't do team ups he does competition, he'd be far more interested in playing against the master than working with them for some goal. What I'd be more concerned about is the consequences of them playing against each other. They'd both have no issue using all of us as the objects of their game.

@@ClintBandito They would both be just as destructive to win the game I suppose. A 3 way competition between the master, the doctor & the celestial toymaker would be interesting...

I'd like them to meet in the war master series, partly cause it would have some really dark moments and neither side would win.

@@TheValeyard92just say they.

Times change and so must I...

"deleted" as if it was some digital archive rather than physical reels

It's more like some of the original film reels aren't preserve properly rather than it got "deleted"

@@AbrahamArthemiusthey actively recorded over them and many other old shows.. 😕 So although deleted is modern parlance it’s still kind of accurate.

You can wipe a (both professional and domestic formats) tape or destroy a film reel, but yes deleted only became common in most circles with the advent of personal computers being common in homes.

Why were they archived

They are not.

Maybe the toymaker, but the doctor. Well... Apparently he's no longer a time lord, can bi-generate and has become two people and still has a load of renegerations they don't remember. Oh and he can regenerate into a woman too. Literally no longer the same character at all.

@CelestineGovender so he isn't a time lord? He said he always was able to bi, but never knew he could. Who said he was never able to become a woman?

Glad I'd already seen the Loose Cannon recons of Eps 1-3.

I was thinking the same thing. They're releasing it next year after the Toymaker has already returned. They should've prioritised it over some of the other animations

@@AndrewChapmansame!

Good news! It's being animated at last

@@AndrewChapmanNot legally you hadn’t.

Animation looks ridiculous but at least we’ll have a dvd version to watch and hopefully enjoy

Where can I watch this animated version?

@@righteousrawb7225it’s coming out in 2024 on dvd format

From the images I’ve seen it looks atrocious. There’s a guy on RU-vid who’s fan-animated one episode using AI. It’s classy and atmospheric and makes the official version look amateurish. I wish the BBC had bunged him a fair pay to do it for them.

@@righteousrawb7225 there’s just a trailer at the moment and no release date revealed yet

never watched sleepy hollow? or Dracula?

He was a busy and popular actor in the 60s and 70s.

you wot

@@provisionalhypothesis Edited.

@@provisionalhypothesischarmed.

So did they do him justice

@@DALEKCHANNELYT Not really IMHO.

Well I'm pretty sure more people were clamoring for the Meddling Monk's return. That WAS the first time we ever saw another Time Lord on Doctor Who.

​@@benwasserman8223I'd still want to see the monk return, partly to get a break from the master and partly cause they're an interesting character as well. I've wanted them back ever since listening to resurrection of mars/damos and lucie miller/to the death, where he pushes the 8th doctor so far that he almost kills him in front of Susan and threatens to break the laws to time and rewrite history.

There are just so many characters, I don't understand why we have to fall on The Master every single time the script needs a villain that's on The Doctor's level. The Rani, The Monk, The Valeyard, The Toymaker, The Eleven- I'd love to see a whole Season with The Doctor and Master fighting each other in every episode, but each episode a new villain comes up to make a third faction, and just have a huge three-way chess match. It would literally be the best season ever by default even if it sucks.

@@carealoo744 The are licensing reason for why The Rani can never come back; apparently holders of the rights to her character are very uncooperative. There's a practical issue too; The Rani was basically a female Master, and the Master can be female now

@@xGOKOPx not really, she's a scientist with no morality, she's not interested in things like domination, only being able to do her experiments, which the doctor and timelords tend to disagree with cause they're normally highly immoral and using people as test subjects.

They’ve all been released on DVD.

@@DrWhoFanJ Oh have they? I knew there were a fee but all of them? I must find then now.

Well he is a celestial being that can crate realities you I imagine he can take on verious shapes.

He’s changed his appearance before, audio books for example. He’s a guardian of time from the 11th dimension he can be whatever he wants to be

@OnTheHorizon- oh that's cool

His body can be destroyed, and he's not truly a physical being. He can take any form he likes.

No it wasn't, it was utter garbage.

@rpgadventurer32 what? The invention of TV plot was really cool! Watched it with my little girl, she was frightened by the creepy toys, just as I was back in the day watching Tom Baker!

Amazing episode. NPH was awesome as the Toymaker!.@@rpgadventurer32

Like your mom ​@@rpgadventurer32