The Cherubim Ripped Off Satan's Wings for Impersonating the Son of God! 

ME TOOOOOO!!!😂

I thought that same thing. However it kept removing my posts and comments because RU-vid doesn't like it when I say the catchphrase during the Trogdor song.

You mean, like a wing-a-ling dragon? 🐉

Well, Trogdor was a man. I mean, he was a dragon man. Ties in nicely with Revelations.

@@RB376-h7x Right!?

Galatians 6:7, it states, "Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap." This emphasizes the principle that God’s laws and commandments are immutable and that actions have consequences. Satan’s counterfeits can include false teachings, imitations of spiritual experiences, and deceptive practices that mimic the outward forms of godliness but lack true power and authority (2 Timothy 3:5). In Doctrine and Covenants 132:7, it is stated that all covenants, contracts, bonds, obligations, and agreements must be made and entered into by God’s authority to be valid, illustrating the importance of divine authorization...

WOW! BOOM! 💥

That slaps hard.

Aye!!!

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@@Onimasoo4083 Aye

wings give one the ability to ascend to heaven. He can't ascend on his own and is outside of Christs atonement. He is cast down and has no power.

@@ensenadorjones4224 he wasn't cast down yet pay attention to the temple video . the devil gets cast down after Adam and eve are cast out of the garden

​​@@unholywarrior9007 It's quite clear that Eve identifies Lucifer as the one cast down for rebellion before they interact with God when He returns to the garden with Adam and Eve hiding their nakedness. Paraphrased: "Eve, I want you to eat the fruit of this tree" "You come to persuade me to disobey Father?" "I've said nothing about Him. Here, eat this fruit so you can become like the Gods because that's how They did it." "I know thee now. Thou art Lucifer who was cast down for rebellion." "Ah, you're already beginning to see...." "Adam, Adam. Adam! Where art thou?" "We hid because we were naked" "Who told you you're naked? Did thou eatest of the fruit..?" "We were beguiled and we did eat it" "LUCIFER! Because that hast done this...(proceeds to give further judgement and punishment)..."

@@unholywarrior9007really? I did not know that. Where in the Scriptures does it say that. Because I’ve always been slightly confused on the chronological order of that. I always assumed that that happened in the pre-mortal existence when Satan was cast out of heaven with the 1/3.

Satan was a dragon in the pre-existence, a light-bearer, who held much power and prestige. His power and prestige turned into pride as he thought he had what it took to save mankind. He would save all mankind, his way, and ascend above the Father in glory and honor. He did not have what it took to become the Savior. For reasons not known to us, only the Savior had what it took to go through the atonement and not quit before the end, and to then navigate the cross, and to live a perfect life. Christ needed to accomplish this and we needed him to. Satan was not ready-only a certain type of intelligence/spirit could navigate the role of a redeemer and Satan was not it. The grandiosity of Satan caused him to rebel when his way was not chosen. 100% success was more important than agency and accountability, and the ends of the law. So Satan rebelled. This is where his wings got clipped and he got cast down with a 1/3 the hosts of heaven. Now he was on earth and he was a drake (or a lizard)-I think drake fits better as he was a dragon before. He cannot leave the earth but he still has some kind of power that he had before he beguiled Eve. Eve, unlike the other first mothers of a planet’s civilization, feels it is necessary to eat the fruit from the tree (of knowledge) even though God forbad. This creates a fallen planet, and natures of mankind so debased that they would kill their God - a serpent on a pole, lifted up, who would heal and save us. Why a serpent on a pole and not a lamb on a pole or a lion on a pole? What gave Christ the determination and ability to be this redeemer? So after Satan beguiles Eve, Father curses and causes him to all his days go upon his belly and eat dust. You cannot suddenly go on your belly if you were already on your belly. You cannot eat dust if you were already slithering. No, the drake had its legs removed and became a serpent, because of what he had done without permission - but NOT a serpent on a pole. That is the difference.I am not sure what loss of power the removal of legs represents. I have not been taught this. But it is significant. “With healing in his wings” to me-just my opinion- is Christ after the crucifixion (serpent on a pole), when Christ is resurrected. So what animal would represent Christ in the resurrected state -an eagle or a dragon (good dragon)? Think of the Asian culture and what animal do they celebrate that is powerful and regal and fierce and good? And the feathered serpent, what do the feathers represent ? Wings? So when you get wings and you get legs, what powers do those represent?

Ever again. See D&C 132:22. "This is eternal LIVES" (not "These are" or "eternal life") And v26, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man marry a wife according to my word, and they are sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, according to mine appointment, and he or she shall COMMIT ANY SIN or transgression of the new and everlasting covenant whatever, and all manner of blasphemies, and if they commit no murder wherein they shed innocent blood, yet they shall come forth in the first resurrection, AND ENTER INTO EXALTATION; but they shall 👉be destroyed in the flesh👈, and shall be delivered unto the buffetings of Satan unto the day of redemption, saith the Lord God." Feels a lot like the same process satan went through... no? Satans progression was halted because he is no longer able to ever become a mortal AGAIN. If not from previous mortal probation(s), where else do you think Satan, formally Lucifer, Son of the Morning, received his Priesthood, and all other blessings that he now was being stripped of?! This is the time to prepare to meet God (Elohim), because after every lifetime, we return and report to our Heavenly Parents, until we have gotten to the same level and stature of character of Christ that we may become a savior. Read it people, the King Follet Sermon. Joseph Smith taught this clearly. It is likely, though we are resurrected, we can choose (never forced) to lay down our exalted body, again to take up a mortal body, and go through another Mortal Probation to learn a different aspect and Character trait that Christ has, and indeed all Gods have, until we have learned them all and in full.

interesting, explain please?

@csmusix The pattern of a "serpent" is symbolic. The symbol of a serpent represents mortality. The reason the serpent form symbolizes mortality is because the life of one as they pass through time looks like a snake from the perspective of eternity or timelessnes. So Lucifer apperears as a serpent to both deceive and to mock. And the serpent on the pole represents the mortality of the Redeemer that the Israelites were to look forward to. So when God curses Lucifer that he would crush his head, this means he will not receive a mortal existence. The head of the "mortal existence " is the birth or conception of the mortal body. And the curse that he will go upon his belly and lick up the dust means that Lucifer will not have power over entropy, rather he becomes an agent of entropy. When God says that He is a God of miracles, He is saying that he has full power over Entropy. The resurrection is the ultimate triumph over entropy. Etropic spaces are the places that the gods go to, to be tested and tried.

Argh!

Huzzah!

Aye!

Angels don't hav3 wings they look like men read genisis 18 and 19 . The men in sidim told Lot nephew of Abraham to send out the angels si that qe may rape them . They had no idea they were asking for angels to be sent out .

Hum I can't type the 2 angels in Sodom looked like men

Amen!!

Some of us babies still need milk toast. Yikes!😬

It's milquetoast, fyi. Hope that's helpful!

@@jesshawkins6496 It’s interesting that ‘milquetoast’, meaning timid or shy, is a perfect parallel to the cut up toast in a bowl of milk that my mother used as a panacea for an upset stomach.

@@Sagart999 lol, for sure!

😂 I'd watch that

Me too! 😂

In looking for the source of this, Coptic Martyrdoms by E Wallis Budge, I found out then Elder Nelson quoted another part of the Discourse on Abbaton in his April 2000 talk "The Creation."

He was even wearing an emblem of his power and priesthoods, wasn't he ...

Both of these are great insights!

To add a bit to it, the snake symbol is one to represent power, authority, kingship. Pharaoh's used to use a cobra as a scepter. A scepter in their hands showed power and authority. Satan by using the symbol of the snake tried to portrayed power and authority to beguiled Adam and Eve. He tried to usurpate God's kingship, power, and authority.

And Moses' staff became a snake that ate the priests snakes. He also raised up a staff with a serpent for the people to look and live.

That makes a lot of sense, and Moses' comment about his being darkness to him was extra insulting. Satan perhaps thought he could still imitate the Son and fool Moses like he did Eve. It explains why he throws a complete temper tantrum after, especially since it says he ranted upon the earth, perhaps like a limbless serpent thrashing about.

Yes!!

@@TheYgds We call that seen Satan's Kylo Ren tantrum.

my question to anyone is did Lucifer's rebellion happen in the garden? Was his deception to eve what caused him to be cast down ultimately or did that happen before the garden?

​@@ensenadorjones4224 It is both. Lucifer was cast out for rebellion. Then he attempted to frustrate the Father's plan by deceiving and beguiling Eve and Adam. He then received further punishment for doing this. In response Satan's rage further intensified and threatened God that he and his demons would possess the bodies of men and women. God then put in place the restriction that disallowed that possession (enmity). Satan then responded with the resolve to use a worldly system that is monetary/vanity-based to drive the people of the earth to all manner of sin. War, bloodshed, false doctrine, etc, etc.

@@ensenadorjones4224 Lucifer was cast out for rebellion in the council in our pre-earth life when our Father in Heaven presented His plan of salvation and chose Jesus to be the Savior. Everything that happened in the Garden of Eden put God's plan into action. Adam and Eve's part in our Father's plan was to bring mortality into the world. They were to be the first parents. Satan thought he was thwarting God's plan with his deception, but no, he became the temptation that allowed Eve to use her agency to choose. Thus making it possible for God to "bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man". Moses 1:39

​@@ensenadorjones4224 from the scriptures we understand that his rebellion happened in heaven, before Adam and Eve were placed in the garden. Him and his followers were cast out to earth, where Satan tempted Adam and Eve soon after they were placed on earth.

@@Silarias that's what I thought. I was confused by the way this video described Satan being stripped of his power and glory and sent to the earth. To crawl on his belly.

That’s right. Put your own ideas and thoughts and crazy theories into the Bible. I’m sure that’s what God intended.

I'd buy the audio version

ohmyheck! This is a book you will want to read. I have read Dave's previous books on the Book of Mormon and this one is easier to follow, however, you will want to be able to sit down and read it with your scriptures. But as I'm typing this, for the first run through of the book - you could just listen. I suppose. And then you might want to go back to the paper or kindle books to read the words and to annotate and cross reference with your scriptures.

When he was crucified or when He was buried?

I did the exact same thing!! Where in Canada is Brad from?

Me too!! 😅

Yea! I just realized that Brad is Mosiah! I was today years old.....

All of them just superfluous after Wes... 29,999 Wes wannabes.

Yes!!!!

I always understood wings as symbolic of the ability to move through the heavens. Even as a symbol it still works as Satan "fell" and was unable to move up to where he used to be.

I think there is a reality to this symbolism, too.

But I bet they could appear with wings if they really wanted to . . . Just for awesome effect 😃. . . Not that an angel would need any greater awesome effect than his glorious self.

Wings are not just a symbol of moving, but also a symbol of action.

There may be in fact winged human like beings in heaven???

But spell it 'milquetoast', since I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. Means weak sauce; we need to bring it back into our everyday vocabulary, 'cause it's an awesome descriptor.

I like the symbolism of the wings of the Seraphim. Referencing Isaiah 6:2 ... Knowledge has to do with the face, the senses, processing information for the brain or intellect. The feet, modesty, procreative elements (regalim), having to do with creative powers. And flying being freedom to move anywhere, the power of literal translation, even between the temporal and eternal realms.

Yes and if you had an evil seraphim having all of his wings taken from him, what does he have left? Wisdom or cunning.

Me too.!

If you live in Utah Valley, I'm doing a signing at Writ & Vision in Provo on Friday, June 14, at 7:00 pm. I also have events coming up in September in St George, Fond du Lac, El Paso, Las Cruces, and maybe in the Colonias.

Come to AZ! There would be a ton of folks that would love to come!!!!!

@@christireay2605 I'm up for it. Let's find a place and time.

I think the Chinese dragon is closer to the image they were picturing. Serpents were also symbols of power and divinity in Egypt, which was a cousin culture to ancient Israel, we often forget that because we imagine them both "looking" different. I think one of the reasons (iirc, been a while) was because they were believed to be able to transit between the world of the dead and the living world and inhabited the world of spirits.

I think the main "positive" characteristic of a serpent is the power of regeneration - shedding its skin and being reborn into a "new" body

Opposition is necessary for growth and understanding. The serpent as a symbol embodies this principle, representing both the destructive power of Satan and the healing power of Christ (2 Nephi 2:11) The brass serpent teaches about Jesus Christ's atoning sacrifice. President Gordon B. Hinckley emphasized that the brass serpent was a type of Christ, illustrating the power of faith and the need to look to Christ for spiritual healing. Chinese Dragon represents power, strength, and sometimes wisdom that parallels the positive aspects of the serpent symbol. Christ's miracles, such as calming the storm and walking on water, demonstrate His control over nature, similar to the Chinese dragon's association with water and weather. prophets and leaders have often used various cultural symbols to teach about Christ. For example, they might draw on familiar symbols and stories to illustrate gospel principles, making the teachings more relatable to diverse audiences.

The serpent shape reminds me of the shape of a light wave, or sound or frequency. Instead of pulsing out radially like the sun's influence in all directions, a sine wave is cut cross-sectionally and and is 2D.

​@@TheYgdsI also include Quetzalcoatl fun fact he was considered the patron God of their priesthood order of the Aztec he was also considered a God of wisdom and could represent death and resurrection.

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​@@asarg1776Thanks, I believe you are one of the few people out there demented enough to appreciate my demented humor. I'm glad I have one fan at least 😊

@@wes2176 Lol. I got it alright and it’s been stuck in my head ever since. So thanks for that 😅

@@asarg1776 It came to me like a vision, the snake is 'up' a tree, he is also 'in' a tree. I had this vision of him singing to Eve. Unfortunately it is common for me to have semi-blasphemous visions like that.

@@asarg1776 Do you remember the Lollipop guild from the wizard of Oz? Whenever they sing that "Hello" song in primary I always sing it like the lollipop guild and Invision those three munchkins singing it. Last I read, the red lollipop guild guy was still alive and in his 90s. The very last munchkin. This was a few years ago, he may have passed.

I remember that! I wish that part were still in there. I thought it was significant.

The coverings symbolize Lucifer’s attempt to appear as something he is not, highlighting the idea that Satan’s deceptions often involve counterfeiting or mimicking true principles and divine authority. Eve’s question to Lucifer about his coverings represents a quest for understanding and discernment. It underscores the importance of seeking true knowledge and being cautious of deceptive appearances. The interaction teaches the principle of discernment-recognizing that not everything that appears righteous or divine truly is. Removing certain elements, such as the specific details about Lucifer’s coverings, might aim to focus more on the core principles and less on symbolic details that could be misinterpreted. Despite changes in particular details, the core principles and teachings of the endowment remain consistent. These include recognizing true divine authority, the need for personal righteousness and covenant keeping, and the significance of seeking and adhering to true knowledge and revelation. Relying on prayer, scripture study, and the guidance of the Holy Ghost helps in discerning truth from deception. Regular temple attendance and participation in ordinances strengthens spiritual understanding and commitment.

Truth and Error hopefully because discernible!

Well you're no fun.😅

@@michellewoodland1914 true 🤣

Im getting a lot of LOTR Morgoth Sauran vibes and knowing how faithful a Catholic Tolkien was wouldn't it be funny if he was inspired by God to tell the history of the world but in a fictionalized way but with truths sprinkled in. Also what if the Dragons were just dinosaurs which is why they died out a punishment from God for siding with the devil.

@@solisprime2669 possibility!