The ClubSport DD is a Game Changer for Fanatec 

they do for all their wheels and almost all games in fanalab and on their forums! it is really helpful

They do have "presets" / recommended settings. You will find them in the Fanatec Forum

They do... They have Forum posts for Recommended Settings

If you’re on pc, you can also use fanalab to automatically apply settings to the wheel when you launch a game, including fanatecs recommended settings for said title, or personalized settings.

@@Miguel-th3wx and they’re horrendous

Any time!

​@@randomcallsign fyi, the dd+ doesnt have the license approval from fanatec. Got the email today, canceled my order. Looks like your interview with thomas was a waste of your time mate.

That would probably be the ‘force effect intensity’ setting. The DD1 does it too when turned up too high

I disagree,say what you want about Fanatec but they still dominate the majority of Sim market especially the console gaming side which the Asetek & Simcube,Moza etc.cannot compete with.and let’s admit it 80 to 90% are usually casual racers,means console gamers,or they just want the best of both worlds,and the fact that it’s affordable anyone can get it.Why do you think everytime you go to their website most of their popular products always sold out/preorder? Business is still booming baby..

@@WEILMAN_11your comment is out of subject. You’ve just reacted as a fanboy. The guy give his opinion about some point after trying this dd base. I’m a ps5 player, I have the GT dd pro and I might buy the dd+ And I am in need of a shaft extension I’m also very angry about Fanatec customer service and delivery, logistics, etc… I’m still waiting for an order passed in September 1st. So all your yapping stuff about Fanatec being "number one in the game" Need to be reconsidered, because Fanatec doesn’t care that much of their customers specially when they closed the call service and take 15 days to answer to a mail. Thousands of their clients have problems, they still have the balls to post daily on instagram, annonces new products like QR2 and Clubsport DD bases. Without releasing an official statement. A short video from the CEO himself, would have done it, They never have the goal to ease the customers waiting for weeks with no information from them. So you need to calm down with your fanboyism. Because it’s far from reality of plenty of us, waiting orders fro weeks sometimes for couple thousand of €€€

@@Cactus.Scoville Your right I’m a fanboy so are you ,that’s why you choose the Fanatec products.and your also out of subject you’re bitch’n about how bad the Fanatec customer service is..I’m talking about their products and still dominating the Sim Market..

@@WEILMAN_11 with what exactly do you disagree? You just offloaded a wall of text and talked about business stuff. As a PC gamer right now, almost no Fanatec product is competitive. What they sell to clueless people is none of my business, but they recently addressed investors that they have immense process management issues regarding customer service, so doesn't seem like the business is booming as much as you think...

Who is upgrading $1000 and $1700 wheelbases every year?

@@mrs_radrod Well, there‘s people who spend $15.000 and more on a rig. Of course they might also sell their CS DD for good money. It‘s not that much of a stretch.

I really find no need for anything higher than say 12-15Nm. I guess maybe if your rig is strictly an F1 setup...maybe then...

@@advanceddarkness3 Broken thumbs are part of my personality

Racers spend $1500 a weekend on tires. A wheelbase that only depreciates 30% is like free to them.

finally get into ? choice of gear currently available in the market holding you back ? lol

not really, I was already thinking about it when the csl dd came out, and then this happens, thats why im 99% im gonna get on it now. Didnt do it before because Im not spending the money on a logitech/thrustmaster to then get a real hardcore setup@@SaimKhan77

I have the Logi G Pro. Trueforce - as referenced here by the Fanatec dude - IS amazing and Fanatec's version will be great. But for me, it's the adjustabilty of Logis pedals which are the clincher. I have a DD Pro as well (separate rig), and the pedals were a pain in the arse to setup and install.

Different price point though?

I am in the same boat. I think I am going to wait until the podium refresh. This will give time for game developers to implement the full force…

I am almost sure that they will have a Podium DD3 (or whatever the name will be) with 25Nm by this time next year. They got the technology figured out. It‘s just a matter of sales strategy: they will want people to buy the CS DD(+) now and then to upgrade next year, when the Podium DD3 (+) comes out. At least that’s what I would do if I was in their shoes…

Personally, I’m not entirely convinced of RC’s synopses that this new CSW can put perform a DD1. There’s a few things you need to take into account when listening to his opinion. - of course Fanatec was going to have him testing the CSW at full-tilt settings. - having said that, what is RC’s daily driver, and how much torque is he running? If he’s running a DD Pro as his DD, then of course this will feel incredibly stout. If he’s running a DD1, albeit turned down to 10-12nm…then same thing…of course the CSW will feel stronger. I’m also not exactly sold in the true force/full force technology. It really is up to the game devs to implement it. And if the PC devs are going to be the ones that implement it, then might as well go with bass shakers IMO. FWIW, my DD1 vibrates my entire rig, but I do have the torque turned all the way up with natural damping turned way down. As far as the NM’s ramping up quicker than a DD1? I mean…I guess. But we’re talking about MILLISECONDS here. Milliseconds. I’m just not sold that it’s as noticeable as they say. Hell, you could manipulate how fast the wheel “feels” like it ramps up in the tuning menus between the damping, FEI, interpolation and friction settings. The one thing that does appear to be an improvement however, is the cooling. My DD1 gets uncomfortably hot. So much so that I bought a computer fan with speed control, and taped it to the exhaust side of my base to aid with cooling. It’s helped immensely!

I run a dd1 as a daily. I'd rate the asetek Forte that I have for review over it, and I'd rate the csw at the same level as the forte. The ramp up is noticeable and is felt as less dampening on the shaft, something that is a staple on the dd1. If its worth a change from the dd1, well I don't think so. As someone coming in new to the system, the csw is my choice, easy.

​@@simplejackenduroyou must be hammering it..😂😂 mine doesn't even get warm.!

its a comica vm20, but ai is doing the processing

It would be a crushing upgrade.

What he said

I wish I could do this with every brand

I'd say this

I totally agree. I think they should step up their game in this area. Maybe future projects will cover this

what do you have against V2?

​@urizen7771 cmon are you serious😂

I’d love to read valid arguments. A friend of mine moved from V2 to Heusinkveld Ultimate and says that he can’t feel much of a difference

not said lightly ; )

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Already subscribed. I would say 7ish. Time to enter competitive bearding to up your game and I believe LFM should add it next😊

Try FEI 0 and INT 6.

@@hugov836so no intensity and a huge amount of interpretation. Sounds like the dullest ffb setting.

​@@lugs118FEI is a low-pass filter. It cuts off the higher frequencies (harsh clonks). You don't lose any information about the grip level.

seems to be going that way. maybe in a couple of years

@@randomcallsignThey already put a 20% discount on it. I don‘t think that they are producing any new units. So, yes, it is already discontinued.

Yeah i think the dd1 is going the same way as the podium f1 bundle. Drop the price sell through the stock and discontinue after the stock goes.

both are extremely good. buy based on what you need. at a certain point any choice is technically well made. I have a forte for review and I like it too.

Good to hear buddy! Which would you personally go with and why? The Asetek Forte bundle or the ClubSport DD? The forte has 18nm compared to the 12nm from the DD, which is to be noted.@@randomcallsign

id go for the fabatec due to console compatibility and ecossystem. the choice is personal and may not make sense for everybody.

Go Asetek because your buying something Fanajunk dont have which is customer service a better product and less headaches overall. Dont under value that fanatec cant even answer emails on there customers that have invested with them there leaving people hanging just go to there forums you will see im not making this up how bad there treating customers right now.

I have a fanatec csl dd 8nm, do the csw 12nm or 15nm worth the upgrade? I think that asetec has a best encoder, fabatec has a hall sensor

The csl dd is a loss leader. They make money with the wheels and the PSU. You don't have to buy anything other than you need or even Fanatec at all. Fanatec is not cornering the market, there are other options for brackets or whatever, so they can set the prices as they want. The clubsport plus is a PlayStation capable unit, so Sony takes it lion share out of it. It's also 15nm against the 12 of the cs You don't have to buy it, there are other choices, like the g29, 923, T300, tgt or logitech pro.

They do on the brake. My concern would be how long will it take the likes of poli to implement it.

@@davidcupra4913 the brake vibration isn’t controlled by the game, it’s just a hard-coded vibration after a set amount of brake force. PD didn’t implement this - it works even if no game is running.

@@crkvend true. Works better in acc.

This full force tech is a replacemnet for the vibration motors, so every wheel will support it, almost every game, thats y poly havent integrated the vibration, cus this is 1000× more advanced, and will be supported by alo more stuff.

@@Sideways_Singh none of what you wrote is correct nor makes any sense. GT7 was released 1.5 years ago, no way were they waiting. Furthermore, FF2, just like Logitech TruForce, is about haptics through the wheel. Is has nothing to do, nor does it replace, pedal vibration. What makes you people just blurt these things out so confidently?

The wheelbase is really good. I'm doing a review on the cs.

Im waiting for a formula wheel with built in screen like moza did..

@@jajantona Isn’t this going to be less likely with VR growing as well? Or is it still a tiny minority that uses it?

@@theglitch312 i have vr for a while but it’s still very niche. Als many companies still can’t get a decent implementation done, so for example with F1 23, I will stick to monitor. Only iRacing and AC/AMS do it decent

@@jajantona Man I remember it took me 2 days of fidgeting with settings and Googling around just to get good looking steady 90fps out of my 2070S on F1 22… So yeah, I can imagine that the cost and time investment to get it up and running on non-top spec PCs is way too much for most.

Because theyre not game developers.

Not sure yet. if I ever get the CS DD for review ill check it out

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HyB0tTf4LtQ.html

There will be a step up, but if its worth while I'm not sure. As for the qr, if you use the qr2 you'll need to get at least in wheel qr2 as this is not compatible with the old one, but apparently there will be a qr1 version of the csdd

Wait for reviews

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need to put them side to side

@@randomcallsignproblem is how long will it take the games to implement full force do u think? As this may be the reason lots jump on this.

I'd say a couple of years.

@@randomcallsign would not be a reason to buy it so? Over the gt dd pro if the power didn’t concern u. Couple of years seems mad to be honest I really hope not.

I have the csl dd and I’m thinking of buying the new one so I say you should buy the new one

You need a rim compatible with the qr2

also, i beleive that the clubsport dd plus ill have a qr1 option.

@@randomcallsign tjanks you for answer. bmw gt v2 rim is compatible with qr2 i suppose. My question was is that rim with qr2 adapter and ddpro base will be enough to have fullforce.

Full force is a wheelbase feature that will happen regardless of qr and it's dependent on the games to have it.

from a savings point of view, absolutely. also, thanks for 8 years a sub!

its the worst time to get a dd1 now

It would and it was my plan til I saw the used prices... the people are out of their mind wanting to get still 800€ for a used dd1 without the qr2 shaft, when you can buy a new one for 1k€ including the shaft upgrade and a warranty

Physics is FFB though.

I've pre-ordered the new ClubSport, upgrading from the CSW V2.5 and you're right, it was quite expensive replacing all of the QR's on my wheels and also had to replace and old V1 hub and Wheel. However, once the new motor arrives, I'll sell the CSW with a hub and a wheel which will help recover some of the upgrading costs. Also, Fanatec have confirmed that the new DD will be able to downgrade to QR1. It's only 4 bolts to remove the outer QR2 shaft, and the QR1 version will slide straight on in its place. No electronics involved so it shouldn't be an expensive part. They have also said that this downgrade option will only be available during the 1-2 year transition period, so don't procrastinate for too long or you might miss out.

Yes, but thag was discontinued.

well, yes. but should you though

Whatever suits your wallet Also, nice user pic 😎

12nm is enough for most people. If you drive a lot of classic race cars with no power steering you might want the 15nm to get a more authentic experience.

Don't know

@@randomcallsign Yeah would be an awesome thing to know since I’d love to buy the wheelbase been holding off on upgrading my csl elite for quite some time. I heard on some video that you can undo the screws on the base and there may be a qr1 base underneath but not sure hence I asked the question

I'll try to get the info for you

@@randomcallsign what a Legend

@@rafaelsv5996 apparently there should be a qr1 option

No

@@randomcallsignthat’s disappointing would have like to see u review this. Really thought they would have sent u one.

Go with simagic alpha mini, just got mine a week ago with the gts wheel, very good experience so far

@@Turbonuotti well I’ve been having a good experience with my moza r9 but if I get a new base I definitely want something with more power.

@@Turbonuotticurrently deciding if i should get the alpha mini or this

@@Jonrichdelacruz TLDR just go with the one you want, you will have great time on either one of them I think it comes down which ecosystem you are willing to dive in, and are you playing console or pc. Both bases are defenitely good but for me the simagic quick release and the small size of the base added with top build quality were the tipping points to get simagic over other brands, also console incompatibility is not an issue for me playing only pc titles. I run my alpha mini at 70% ffb and lowering the car ffb about 10% in iracing and the force is strong and detailed after everything is tuned to my liking in sim pro 2 ( simagic software) There is information online that alpha mini puts out 13nm peak and 10nm consistent, please don't trust me on this 😆 Also to add i felt like if i am going to spend +1000e to what is essentially a toy, it better feel and look like a +1000e toy and for me Fanatec just didn't do that Just do a ton of research watch reviews and read forums, i am sure you will be happy what ever you decide to get 😄

The DD1 is not slow - in fact, its faster when its used with 100% FFB strength.

Yeah i dont buy a lot of the marketing around this product. The claims around temperature and holding torque just seem wrong as well. Yes, there are a lot of wheelbases that get very hot to the touch but you rarely hear anyone complain about the FFB strength decreasing. They get hot because they use the outer casing as a heatsink to dissipate the heat.

@@momorious Yes it is slow, much slower than this new CS DD. Do you not realize it is using an outdated outrunner motor, it is heavier, bigger, less efficient, of course it is slower, the only reason to use it is it is cheaper to produce.

@@T.R.A.N.C.E the DD1 has MUCH higher Slewrate than the CS DD, it was tested. I cant give you the numbers though but trust me, it's faster, a lot.

@@momorious I don’t trust you, I think your out of your goddamn mind.

5:11 They're working with the game devs of iRacing and GT7 right now, so hopefully very soon.

@@Nathaniel_Wu I’d hope it would be soon. No point in people buying this and having to wait 2 years for this function to work. At that stage u will have even better technology on the market. This function is what makes this a game changer and will be the reason most upgrade from csl dd and dd pro. Some are saying a couple of years to implement this into games which is ridiculous if so.

Yes

awesome thank you @@randomcallsign

Apparently this can't ever be rolled out to CSL DD, DD Pro and Podium because of "technical limitations".

He was talking about the motor design being the same, which really it isn't, it has another row of magnets and more copper windings, slightly arrayed magnets to reduce cogging, and a different shaft, no doubt differences in pcb also, it is likely that full force requires another computer chip which would mean gt dd pro can't support it.

no

@@randomcallsign well shit

maybe, i dont know if it is to you

@@randomcallsign I never used a DD before, I’m coming from a csw 2.5 so I don’t really know if I should go for the DD or DD+. Is 12 Nm enough for you?

Yes it's enough for me. I leave my dd1 and asetek Forte at around 10 and it's plenty

@@randomcallsign ok, thank you for the reply and the great video!

this. forget about the dd1

I would wait for the real DD1 follow up in 1-2 years. This base is just the filler for the gap between yours and the DD1/2

@@randomcallsign can I ask why and do you think I need the 15nm to notice a good difference

the 12nm were super good. id rather have the 12nm over the dd1 20.

Most sim racers only use 12-14nm of their monster torque wheel bases anyway, it's the sweetspot.

12 only at sre

Wow! So, you would recommend the 12nm Clubsport DD over the DD1? I currently have the CSL DD and am very interested in upgrading!

@@kenjishum4630get 15 instead