The Coddling of the American Mind moderated by Malcolm Gladwell 

I felt the same way. I think he was being a devils advocate in order to validate the idea

@@qqq111444 you’re right. Some people don’t understand the goal of a moderator.

As the moderator, it's his job to confront the guest with thoughts that challenge their own position in order to create discussion and give them the opportunity to explain their position as well as deconstruct the moderator's argument. What the moderator brings forth doesn't necessarily need to be what he himself thinks to be true.

Little things can make a big difference but it will take more than 5% in this case, IMO. As this case is one tiny peak on an iceberg.

That's right fucker. Stop being racist.

@@bossman6798 you two are way too racist.

@@willzsportscards you wish clown.

pUBLIC SCHOOLZ

@@trollingisasport Public schools are based. Knowledge should not be gate kept behind profit insentives.

He once asked us if dogs had soles! One boy came away from the discussion believing his teacher had concluded that his dog would not be in heaven!!!! Harry got into trouble again!!!!

What are you talking about? If my mom or dad ran to an adult in the 50s or 60s "if" they were in trouble, the other adult would probably give them a spanking for doing something wrong. Then if one of my parents was stupid enough to tell my grand parents that they were disciplined by another adult, my grands parents would spank then, or ask the kid to pick out a good willow switch.

I couldn't even walk to school without adult supervision, when it is only 2 blocks away and I was 12.

I was a free range child in the 90s. We still existed then but I think they're all gone now.

@@leelahasan3988 I'm so sorry to hear you had that experience. I started walking to school by myself, eight blocks away, when I was eight years old. While I could bore you to tears with my complaints about my parents, I was greatly blessed to have parents who actively promoted the idea that I was supposed to be very independent at as early age as possible.

@@leelahasan3988 I walked to school at that age all the time. 6 blocks away'

Nope its a battle of brainwash victims with little awareness. Everybody overrates their own abilities.

@@duewhit310 Especially the police. With little training in social science, none in psychology, and 2 weeks in firearm training we expect them to not make mistakes is ludicrous.

@@jackhammer7824 the Dunning-Kruger effect applies to all of us

@@duewhit310 Dunning-Krugger effect * Learn something new everyday. Namastia

@@jackhammer7824 Justin Kruger, not Krugger

I would entirely agree, had he actually asked tough questions. I found his questions and observations ranged from bland to incoherent, and even at their best were poorly thought out and argued.

He did a good job of highlighting that the flip side of this wave is a society that cares. All generations might be glad of it when half of them end up driving for Uber.

@@nvrselout3678 A society that cares is of limited value if they satisfy themselves with declarations and displays of emotion.

I didn't get that same impression based on Gladwell's body language, he seemed to be genuinely in opposition to Haidt on several points. But that's fine, it's good to have differening views and to discuss them.

Yeah I must say he did really well on this one

Having taught in college, I can assure you that some of these kids have NEVER had anyone say "no" to them until they get into a professor's course, don't do the work, and expect an A. It's these little creeps who then turn in the professor for being politically incorrect, when what they're really reacting to is that they're not being coddled and given what they didn't earn.

@@JOHN----DOE One of my friends is a teacher. He's said the same.

No. When you combine shitbrain parents who justify their halfassed parenting by blaming society’s woes on other parents who do a better job - excusing their own laziness by pointing fingers - you get cromag posts like yours.

I see this at work. I even started seeing this a few years ago in my hobby of music. Terrible players with no technique and never bother to practice expect to come on without an audition and become enraged when not making the cut. Their emotions seem to go from disengaged (1) then jump to anger(10) with nothing in the middle.

J Audrey some do some don’t, please don’t over generalize

@@inspectorvoid " The coddling of the American Mind." BY Joanthan Haidt

My wife is a teacher and has to deal with kids that are so cognitively disabled by over parenting that during lock down they lost the ability to create sentences.

@@stephenbrookes7268 Good grief! What age?

@@Tony-Blake9 or 10 I think. They got an average of 3 out of 50 in a maths test. The parents tell them not to listen to the teachers. During a zoom class one student was in bed being spoonfed by his mother. One was literally sitting next to the kid giving answers to maths problems. When called out she denied giving answers and completely failed to understand why her child must do the work and show working out not just clean answers. She also asked several patents to stop their children from forging their parents handwriting.

Super late reply, cultural change is a gradual process and takes time. Like Haidt said, it was only around the time of the panel that business leaders were beginning to realize just how bad this phenomenon could be and had no idea how to respond. Couple this with the fact that more people are becoming more skeptical of "expertise" and instead buying into the belief that they can find the truth on Facebook or TikTok, and it becomes little wonder that we aren't seeing many good results yet.

I dunno. I live near Ohio State University for past 20 years and I’ve never seen or experienced this “call out culture”. I have no idea what they’re talking about and I dont fear it in the least.

@@JMBvideo ignorance is bliss

Just throwing this out: Is there such a thing as weak rich people and strong poor people? The metric being strong people live longer than weak people as if that metric could be evaluated numerically and systematically. And if so, what are the social implications? Could be the reason why we have inequality...if intelligence = social status, then why are intelligent people so coddled? Can't you use your brainpower to help yourself adjust to adversity? Or do you need a hierarchical gated community attitude wherein you look nice but you are basically mean no matter how liberal you call yourself?

@@CandidDate , I think we have inequality because, for one, people are unequal in their talents, opportunities, and fortune. Some rise and fall several times over in a lifetime. I don't know about the other two panelists, but I know that Gladwell and Haidt are reflections of the family cultures they developed in--literate, well educated if not rich, in love with ideas. I don't think Gladwell could have imagined when he was first writing articles for the NYTimes and the New Yorker that he'd have material interrelated enough to form a "book" (i.e. that he didn't set out to write), let alone a bestseller--then another and another. I believe he is gay, and I know he is partly of 'negroid' heritage, and so I'm guessing he has experienced discrimination for those traits; at least, his line of questioning seems to indicate that....As for the coddled but powerful rich and resultant inequality, I think you have to consider different factors and not just intelligence. Degrees from certain prestigious schools help ensure later comfort and privilege, and if one can gain admission through the side door, they don't have to be all that smart or talented. My perspective is that modern life is coddling but alienating. People are far less active; they can get better food in a pharmacy than they could from a nice restaurant or the dinner table of a rich person two generations ago; they can find the answer to virtually any question in seven seconds via their phones; they can find transportation in minutes via their phones; they can communicate with anyone anywhere at any time via their phones; and they can post a false or inflammatory accusation or partial truth that reaches multitudes via social media....We assume that people with higher degrees from prestigious institutions get their dream jobs, but that is not always the case. Some do; many don't; though they are left with often huge financial debt....Back to your post, I think that many SJWs don't nuance their beliefs or arguments, and that is partly because they are empowered by their professors to do so. Patriarchy becomes an all-encompassing label or diagnosis for what one doesn't like, and with no historical perspective. I'd like to see more young feminists take dirty but well paying jobs and not just complain about how unfair the STEM fields are. It's easy and common to get impassioned by an ideology when one is young. Mob mentality is real. Scapegoating of older white males is a result. Meanwhile, the SJWs can feel they are making the world a better place for all (well, all except those old, white men). But they don't know how hard many of those white men worked--and without the conveniences that the SJW takes for granted.

Yup!! A lot of category mistakes.

@@ShunyamNiketana Your comment reflects the reason, I think, why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is running seriously for Democratic president in 2020. Things are changing, and media reflects these changes. But there is also the inertia of rich white male patriarchy to be overcome. Nature will sort out the winners and losers, I have no fear. What is Nature? That equalizing and balancing force that can only be inferred, not directly measured or quantified. Yin and Yang.

@@ShunyamNiketana I appreciate your points very much! Thank you. No, I've been no fan of MG, for years -- from his FLAWED arguments and DISRESPECTFUL attitudes, it is obvious that he himself has an unprocessed deep-rooted pathological ethnic-and-cultural inferiority complex, and is a dangerous RACIST towards Americans of non-white non-black non-Hispanic but ethnic-Asian persuasions. He claimed his white grandfather was Scottish and other side Haitian blacks. His is an issue of "class division", hereby "class" being defined by neither socioeconomics nor education/schooling -- please do not confuse "cultural difference" with "class division", and vice versa, although sometimes "cultural difference" IS "class division" and its corollary true, too (i.e.: MG being an ethnic-and-cultural mix of blacks and whites). One would not be surprised that he is gay -- "Bad gay men are worse than worst women."; homosexuality is a "culture", be it specific, too.

I was born in 94 and my generations savior was the bicycle! We had the independence but we still came out with problems. There is the opposite problem to be worried about. Self indulged parents.

That's so great to hear! I see it a little bit here in my town too, but not nearly enough considering how unbelievably safe it is.

@@ryanvess6162Vess, IMO, critical thinking is EVERY generation's *savior*. i was born in '54 and roamed far and wide on my bike, but all i REALLY wanted to do was stay home, stretch out on a comfy piece of furniture, and read. the only independence that interested me was -- and still is -- the ability to engage in critical thinking. IMO, the inability to think critically is a disability worse than death. nowadays, i engage, courtesy of social media, in civil discourse and critical thinking to my heart's content.

@@ryanvess6162 IMO, critical thinking is EVERY generation's *savior*. i was born in '54 and roamed far and wide on my bike, but all i REALLY wanted to do was stay home, stretch out on a comfy piece of furniture, and read. the only independence that interested me was -- and still is -- the ability to engage in critical thinking. IMO, the inability to think critically is a disability worse than death. nowadays, i engage, courtesy of social media, in civil discourse and critical thinking to my heart's content.

@@Hollis_has_questions agree...the generation that raised me was always telling me its beautiful out and to get out of the house, while they drank and watched tv... it gave me freedom to explore which in the late 70s early 80s wasnt really a great thing being a young kid walking aimlessly around Times Square and anyplace else a bus pass would get you...

Gladwell was throwing softball after softball, in order to give the panelists a chance to express their ideas -- which is what the panel was for. It wasn't a debate.

Glad you said that Lee because I am surprised at Gladwell's questions. He seems to be going further down the rabbit hole as the conversation goes on.

I heard a discussion between Gladwell and a former colleague and neighbor and she mentioned not wanting to disturb him when he was “entertaining” one of his female friends.

I'm not sure that was his intention. He says he looks for a way to find depth in the trend aside from an academic one, but as someone typically solid with his statistics he curiously seems ignorant about this issue. He's pretty far left and is contributing to the insanity. Otherwise his position would make logical sense. Not just versed and vocal about historical angles.i get it, he's bitter about the so- called priveledged. He needs a good dose of current stats. I'd like to see him vs. Heather Mac Donald. I didn't used to see him as such a PC pansy as I do here. Well maybe I did but now it just looks weak and lazy.

You’ve expressed what he should be doing, but can you give an example of an interesting question he asked? Seems like he strongly disagrees with their arguments, not that he’s steel-manning their ideas.

I am someone who wasn't allowed to take public transport at 17, and oh boy has that messed with my ability to do anything without on my own.

actually what was cool to see was that he said it in jest and that everyone allowed him to move on. I can see people use that word to get a reaction anywhere on the internet.

@Cheyne Yarrington Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. It's a therapy technique that you can actually do yourself or in combination with seeing a therapist.

Agreed! And the responses to his analogy by the others were well stated.

it's like a bacterial overbloom

That's great and all but Dutch children are, statistically speaking, some of the most independent kids on Earth. Probably because they are allowed to go outside and explore and bike wherever they want at a young age, whereas American kids for the most part are not allowed to do those things.

@Joseph Chambers Oh man I love that channel.

gladwell wasn't just doing devil's advocate. he REALLY believes the other side. it should be obvious to everyone from the way he spoke them.

@@leelahasan3988 a big part of that is civil engineering. completely different field. but holland cities are planned so that you can bike and tram everywhere, not need a car. it's a big deal in terms of how that enables people and kids, not just some inconsequential city planning decision of different countries having different styles of doing things.

yeah...that's such bullshit...And when they realize they can't, they kick and scream.....

Best conversation environment is a challenging one. Most people don’t want this but it’s great when smart, learned participate.

Yeah they definitely should have discussed the link between psychological fragility and depression. Personally I don’t believe they’re directly related… a majority of the people I know who struggle with depression aren’t at all hypersensitive to words or ideas (and presumably, neither is Greg).

They talk about it (mental fragility) in the Atlantic piece. Trigger warnings and all that. What I didn't like about Gladwells line of questioning is he seem to miss that book is about strangulation of free and critical thinking in places of education (do they even have debate societies nowdays?) and not some universal theory of objective truths that he himself seems to generate from oversimplified anecdotes in his works. Like this out of the blue and misplaced question about Weinstein. I don't think he even read the article, no to mention book.

@Ryan Clone they didn't learn how to look from opposite sides, moreover they object to the whole idea. And if they choose to resolve social issues by means of righteous fury and ostracisation, it's not the fault of Haidt's teaching methods.

What I found missing is the Blatant right wing bias of universities. all U.S. universities are funded mostly by the military . So they can recruit more young adults into their death cult and get the benefits of university research. The result of this is that all universities brainwash people into the right wing pro-war mind-set . They even water down climate change curriculums as to not annoy the universities corporate donors who's bottom line would be impacted by addressing this.

I agree, he should of come up when they discussed Silicon Valley and how young employees is affecting teamwork and companies. His experiences are a direct example of people going to HR as soon as someone challenges them/says something that "offends" and a company/HR department that acts to enforce that. I expect this is pretty damn common in many tech industries that are at any sort of scale beyond a few people.

That's more of a recent phenomenon. The video was released in 2019, so it's probably just that they had yet to be exposed to it as both college professors and just time frame wise.

Yea, they already on the working places. Comes to mind recent Netflix walkout due to some remarks by Chappele.

Gladwell suggests they are naive and in so doing better describes how he appears.

There is the clue, i wouldn't call it risks, i would call it challenges, hills to climb over.

Thanks - was wondering if anyone was going to comment on that!

If I'm not mistaken, he's questioning a lot of the points in the book written by the other panel members and thus resulting in him asking them for their defense. He had something concrete to read to know their views. Not sure if he had something equivalent for Lenore to know her claims being made. I also think he was one of the best interviewers in terms questioning the points being made, instead of just agreeing or giving not well thought out rebuttals like most interviewers.

This comment by Ms. Julia Davison proves the point of this discussion. We are too quick to judge someone for their perceived bias against our preferred group member. I really enjoyed listening to Ms. Lenore Skenazy’s views. I don’t think she or anyone else had issues expressing their opinions. Facts/reality be damned, we are ready to protest.

But I didn't hear her trying to make a point and being ignored or shouted down. How come she didn't try to get more voice time herself? Why should it have been up to the men to "invite" her to share her thoughts? She has just as much right to force herself to be heard as the men. I thought she was insightful and witty and would have liked to hear more of what she had to say. But I don't believe the big bad patriarchy was deliberately holding her back because she was a woman, which is what you are really saying.

Now that unhealthy motherly fear has given us the Covid mass-hysteria.

If you're using examples from a time that doesn't exist to advocate for policy in a time that does, you're loudly admitting that you're a fraud.

@ > If only those types stayed at parties. The parties have spread to HR, politics, academia.

The most racist person you would ever meet....

It's a cognitive lacking that these people are dancing around. These millenial kids are stupider then most kids around them but they are more narcissistic and more entitled then anyone on earth. The only way they can have any success is when they attack people and institutions in groups,never alone only in anonymous groups. They choose the target and the transgressions that they think can be remolded into a reasonable scape goat that will justify these millenials being complete failures in many aspects.

@@echt114 Pretty sure the 1950s did exist.

Speaking from a statistical basis the disrupters of the status quo can only be the few, the rest being the actual status quo. It doesnt matter how small the percentage of dissenters are, but how active they are

Yes. A 1,000 times YES

That's why its only in those elite schools right now, the behavior is encouraged and nurtured by the administrators. What is frightening, is that they are being trained to exploit aspects within the law, that by wording and presenting their complaints in particular ways, employers are obligated to file reports and conduct investigations. That manufactures statistics which can be used to justify policies, and increases the risks that businesses must manage. Its intended to create pressure to take proactive steps, least one marginal event gets painted as a systemic pattern.

Your country. Gross. This litigious bs is awful

I have zero experience in audio engineering and even I notice this issue on a ton of videos. Even pre-recorded stuff in predictable environments like a podcast. It’s weird. A lot of balls dropping... that came out wrong. A lot of balls being dropped. ... Not much better. You know what I mean.

Evan Kolpack it’s the younger generation. They don’t know their AGC’s from their ADD’s. .

Is there any way to damp Lenore completely out of the discussion? Her annoying irrelevant side comments (that she clearly enjoys) are extremely distracting.

terencelaoshi imagine being married to her! Poor guy.

It's probably direct feed from mix desk, optimized for audience - not recording. And AGC? I highly doubt they even have one for live events. /listened on IEMs, didn't noticed heavy crimes, except for one hysterical laugh in the middle(probably not particularly skilled engineer without the habit of down-fading non-active speakers). Could've fixed it in post of course.

... his job is to challenge whatever is being said or asserted. He's not confused by the data, he is asking questions to challenge the data they are presenting so that the audience can be confident it is accurate.

@@leelahasan3988 Nope. He's confused.

@@fishbuddy663 Exactly. He is completely confused and in total denial. He is not pushing back for the sake of pushing back. He’s pushing back because he thinks they are wrong despite the fact that they are using hard data!

@@fishbuddy663 And utterly humorless.

By the time he repeated essentially the same question three or four times, what struck me most was how unprepared he seemed.

censorship bites because algorithms suck at reading what we want to see. For instance, i’m a classical guitarist and really am only interested in nylon string guitar, yet social media and yt think I like electric and steel string guitar and constantly show it to me. Super frustrating!

Because it goes against the MSM narrative.

On my YT reccs 3 months later... and I'm a Malcolm Gladwell fan.. (BTW, I'm living in Japan where 6-yr-olds commute to school on their own on the subway system, and back in the day Japanese mothers were criticised by Americans for telling their children "abunai!" (it's dangerous) constantly... but you don't hear it that much these days. ... the kids all outgrew that phase, and are quite reasonably empowered now..)

Lol nothing pops up some phone have a background audio recording , what you type watch others forward to you related subject matter ect

Utter crock. What an eleven-year-old comment that is. If you're ten...well done. Still a crock though...

I'd say give him a break, it must be difficult to pose challenging questions, when what the alarm being raise over is so obviously dysfunctional.

He grasped concepts all right . Devils advocate is a good thing in debate

I was there that night and while he hit some points I don’t know if he actually read the book that was being discussed all the way through

he is a selfish leftist.

_"He's just playing devil's advocate."_ Why do people keep saying this in the comments as if they have no idea what a devil's advocate is? For example @39:40 he makes snide comments about how people in "tech" make lots of money, therefore they should just shut-up and ignore the intolerance of the young employees (never mind the fact that the young people also make mad cash yet somehow they are exempt from Gladwell's logic). He contributed absolutely nothing and the topic Haidt raised was immediately dropped because Gladwell ran interference and trivialized his point. That is not what a devil's advocate does.

Microphone problem possibly. Ouch.

no he's not. he really believes it. he has a hard time wrapping his head around what the panel is saying. if you can't read his body language and his literal confessions that he can't understand why not X, .... idk what to tell you.

2 months ago, but I'd be curious what points you are still uneasy about

Ha. I went to a church camp that was 9 days of terror in the1970s. Unfortunately not everyone's experience is the same.

That and not allowing kids independence. Terrible combination.

the very early 1980s saw the design and building of The Walkman - handheld cassette players with an incredible stereo sound that drowned out the world all around you. people stopped chatting on buses, at bus stops, diners... then came the videocassette player. People insulated, cocooned - they didn't go out of themselves as much as they used to do. the internet. netbooks, tablets, smartphones. people met fewer and fewer people different from themselves and their ability to get along was not as well-exercised as it was. Every year new tech and gadgets arrived in the marketplace and people eagerly coughed up cash to have it. Did it to ourselves.

@@Scriptorsilentum well said

@@Scriptorsilentum except that we didn't do it to ourselves, because some of us were children when this happened and we were just doing what we had been taught to do.

@@leelahasan3988 But the people before you were your human ancestors. So, yes, we did it to ourselves. And we continue to do it every day that we isolate and stay in our own little protective bubbles. Humans need to be challenged to develop themselves. Some of the most sophisticated people are those who seek discomfort and challenging circumstances. That's the point of the book these guys are presenting.

Hmm interesting take, I haven't heard that one before

Derrick Jones pretty sure he’s being devils advocate bud.

Being unable to discern between real danger and emotional offense isn't very safe.

@@AJewFR0 hmm. maybe, starting out, but its clear that by the Weinstein comparison, for some reason, he moves from interviewer/explorer/devils advocate to a negative position that's rejecting the three guests work, and does it with a completely unsupportable example of applying their ideas. he was rightfully called on it. Lukianof could have justifiably been a lot less pleasant in his response.

For the context of "rape is not a micro-aggression" see 48:54 to 53:41.

The oboxious minority is turning campuses into a war zone!! Self-fulfilling prophesy

What makes you think that? I assume you think the "old" ways were methodologically good, but terribly applied at the time given that America in those olden days was increasingly intolerant the further you go back. We are living in the most open and tolerant time. Just 10 years ago, even liberal politicians weren't always openly in support of gay marriage, support for interracial marriage jumped significantly in the 90s, and if you go back to "The Greatest Generation" you find the people who fought tooth and nail against civil rights. Even today interracial friendships are rare among Boomers and older people (with less than half of white Boomers reporting having any). How is it that they turned out to be intolerant despite having their old fashioned methods?

thats why we watch them not you. They may not have agreed about everything but both the questions and answers were100% sincere and heartfelt. you I'm not so sure about.

she's smart and funny, yes -- but she drove me crazy with all her interjections. i found myself yelling *SHUT UP!* at her, but to no avail.

I get around that by using "Where are your grandparents from?" The question carries just a whiff of flattery with it, a sort of "Your parents made the transition and I have no idea about your background thanks to them..." and gets a straight answer, "They came over from..."

Did she try to speak and was forced to be quiet? Did the others just shout her down? Isn't it up to HER to assert her voice and make her contribution? I noticed the little passive aggressive comment she made late in the panel talk about finally getting to say something. Rather than fight for more speaking time, she took it and stewed about it and the only thing she did about it was make a snarky comment well into the discussion. But how much of her unequal contribution as far as time speaking was on the others, and how much of it was on her? She is a highly educated adult and doesn't need their "permission" to jump in. And you don't get to pre-dismiss replies to your women are oppressed speech. So what if someone else would consider a "bossy, shrill woman"? Even in a conversation between all men there are ones who take up more of the time than others. Here's where I figure you will view me as a patronizing misogynist for expecting that if a woman wants her voice to be heard she needs to speak up regardless of whether or not someone will consider her shrill or bossy. If I believe I have something to contribute to a conversation, I am going to make sure I get my chance to speak. A woman should do the same. And by the way, I thought she was insightful and witty when she did speak. I would have liked to have heard more from her.

I have the same problem esp with these talks and lectures. I had to wear my headphones and crank it. Seems like RU-vid could adjust volumes.

That's the responsibility of the uploader

It was a bunch of virtue-signalling SJWs showing how "tolerant" they are by cheering their approval of the words "gay, person of colour," the designation currently at the top tier of the hierarchy of virtuous victims. It didn't really matter what point Gladwell was trying to make, the moment the virtue- signallers heard those words they were in ecstasy.

@@wiseonwords Half of America seems intent on signalling virtue (including ostentatious religious observance, as well as the fluff-head SJW stuff), and the other half on vice (gun racks, Trumpism, bombing abortion clinics). This strikes the same sort of healthy balance as putting one side of your body in the fridge and the other in the fire.

Gottemhimfella- Bombing abortion clinics? Really? Supporting Trump is comparable to bombing an abortion clinic? Equipping a pickup truck for a deer hunting expedition is related to bombing an abortion clinic? I urge you to get out Austin, or San Francisco, or Denver or Portland. and meet some actual people who live rural or small town lives. You might like them. They will be nice to you.

their ? but yes and it's sociopathic narcissism by their parents...it's abuse

@@vkngwmn6636 oops...their. and you're correct.... It's abuse.

Absolutely right! Thank you for noting Fox Ëntertainment -Not News’ negative effects on our society … though it was a different mind, an older mind that was coddled.