The Complete History of Healing Supports - From “Useless” To Meta | Genshin Impact 

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i traded sweet madame for chicken burger

I traded Sweet Madame for Universal Peace and Coffee Bavarois.

_Laughs in Jean being first 5 star_ ❤

​@@sonofdeleniel007 Uh....that applies to off-field characters only. The active character can still die to corrosion, and multiple stacks will kill even faster regardless of shields.

@@sonofdeleniel007No, on field character can die to corrosion. Only off field characters can’t. I’ve had to reset in the abysses with like 12 wolfhounds sometimes because the corrosion killed my Hu Tao through Zhongli shield.

Technically the corrosion was already in 1.6 before Inazuma launched. It was a pain in the ass in abyss.

Uhhh, I can't stand those wolves . . . . . . yeah having a healer in my party was a life saver . . . .

They are coming again 4.5 abys

Still a better enemy type than specters

Hydro shielder might become a reality with either Sigewinne or Dahlia!

I’ve been begging for a hydro shielder for years

That basically XQ and C4 Jean but not actually shield despite it has shield animation(C4 Jean) They both reduce damage taken while doing hydro application and always swirl off of you(jean burst)

Anemo shielder will always be Op, I guess they save it for Varka or some future important characters

So you want a Jean who shields? Its kinda unnecesary and that anemo shielder wouldn't gain any attention at all if they dont bring something different to the table

Can’t wait for 6 star Bennett to full heal the whole team for 3 ticks

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Now i just build Benny like a healer and have the best of both worlds

​@@minisage1961I'll come back after pyro archon reveal

@@minisage1961 and also a revolving circle so we don't have to play circle impact anymore

i wouldn't include Kokomi or Kuki on that list since they were regarded as really strong units way before furina.

Koko was never useless, it just took a minute for ppl to see her true potential ✨️

Diluc was my first 5 star and he was fully built by the time I benched him for better units over a year ago. Xianyun (mostly her) and Furina have finally made him playable in difficult content again and it feels nice knowing my grinding from the past wasn’t wasted

Qiqi doesnt work well with furina.

⁠@@fleurdelalune8745she was useless pre ocean hued clam lol. She was in a dark place, people literally refuse to pull for her cuz like why would you need a dedicated healer if xq, bennet, and zhongli is enough? The only people that pulled her were people that liked her. So no, it took people 2 patches later after her release to see her potential.

I’m still kinda new and my only healer I have is Yao Yao. She helps it’s just I hate when I dodge to far I can’t get the carrots she throws lol

If you aren't playing shield, then you aren't suck at dodging

as a shytty dodger in games, if you play long enough without a shield you'll get the hang of it no doubt. The dodging in Genshin is pretty forgiving compared to other games. Once you've killed enough of an enemy you'll get the hang of I-framing or dodging their attacks with ease

I'm in the same boat but thankfully, Toram prepared me before going into Genshin so I can manage a boss since Toram's bosses are more ruthless. I just can't dodge multiple enemies at once.

I’ve always run a healer in my teams… but that’s because I want to see all my teammates at full hp

Actually there's the Furina-Xianyun-Bennett core that's pretty powerful though.

@@phuongtruongtran6219 i hadn't heard of that. He's still good, most of my non dendro teams all use him.

yeah they maybe trying to nerf benett but he is such a amazing healer and buffers and he is four star after all. but i do think he will still be strong. dont forget next nation is pyro and pyro resonance is great too. I dont think benett may die because dps based on atk units will always be in game. benett will always be a option for ftp players.

They’re really balancing bennett well. He’s still just as strong in almost any team as a generalist, but now that specialists are becoming sidegrades or upgrades to him in specific teams, players are being rewarded for c6ing him and turning him into a specialist too, in which he opens up new teams that rely on infusions and buffs pyro teams further. For example, cryo teams have supports like shenhe, physical have mika, and so on. Most dps can’t have their element overrides either so even if you want to continue using him generally, you can. The few characters who his c6 interrupts like Ayaka and Eula are running out of space on their teams and likely benching him anyway. I was never very interested in Bennett’s design personally, and only actually started using him after c6 for my yoimiya (and even then I mostly bench him). When I invest into a mono pyro team, I’ll get more usage out of him. I sometimes drop him into partly invested teams and his c6 has never actually been an issue for me, but it has been a blessing with the release of gaming and xianyun. He still has his uses and is as powerful as ever in those teams, whilst just not being best in slot for as many. I think he’s hoyo’s best example of balancing without nerfing. If anything, his c6 got buffed over time from halving his team options to opening up more than it can block (and Bennett not being used in the teams it’s not compatible with in the first place, once you have enough characters, which you probably will by the time he’s c6). He still gets new teams gradually too, like he’s a best in slot support for lyney. They aren’t trying to powercreep him which would’ve been the more obvious choice in most gachas if a single lower rarity support at launch becomes the universally strongest buffer for any team.

Bro is ALWAYS forgotten 😂

his shield is very very weak, and he is used more for healing rather than shielding, even thoma is a better shielder than the snake boy.

Baizhu's shields are more useful for interruption resistance than full shielding.

Not to mention Baizhu’s shield breaks on it’s own so a new one can be created and Heal’s the active character.

@@qaztim11wdym “even thoma” my bro has the thiccest stacked shield in the game after Zhongli.

Just make the Abyss less anti shield and you already make them viable, this whole fiasco started because they hate having to buff Zhongli and addicted to HP change. Look at Star Rail and you will see how addictd they are to HP shenanigans and shield can barely reach Layla number let alone Zhong

Lyney? He's a CA archer.

I think lyney too. Since he's using charge atk. My comp for him is lyney, zhongli, xiangling and Bennett

Same~

Noelle is the actual gigachad, she can do decent amount of dmg, healing, shielding and works very well with furina. I wonder how she hasn't been promoted into a favonius knight considering lore-wise she is very strong and dedicated

@@danish2.012 The lore reason why she's not a knight is because she has no sense of self-preservation, overexerts herself, and doesn't understand teamwork.

Jack of all trades but master of none​@@danish2.012

Yeah, same here. You say healers are bad because they don't contribute to damage? My C6, triple-crowned, hypercarry Noelle with a Redhorn Stonethresher would beg to differ.

Or maybe damage mitigation

@@fr0ck360 make Dehya great for once! 😂

Natlan is pyro nation Why would they make shield good 😂 ?? That's what Liyue- aka Zhongli does

it would be nice if they did something with physical again, but just also make it more interesting in some way xD

@@MurakiChiyothey most likely will. Natlan will touch on the even more niche comps. Fontaine helped healers and brought Navia and Chev (two characters that changed the way we look at their respective reactions). Freminet’s kit was the first to even get buffs from shatter and superconduct. They are setting and testing the ground. Physical needs off field physical dmg dealers, buffers and a 5 star electro physical on fielder to round out it’s team archetype.

Facts

If you have wanderer then that c4 jean is goated with furina. wanderer + c6 faruzan + c4 jean + furina is one of the most broken teams, rivaling premium xiao team consisting of the same c6 faruzan + xianyun + furina

Electro shield:try beidou C1

How about a character that instead of having Overloaded explode, have it implode and suck enemies in instead launching them 20m to wrong direction :^)

From what I hear (this is just alleged don’t @ me) Arlecchino could also work as a hypercarry in a Chevreuse Overload comp, so she doesn’t necessarily have to rely on Furina for success

Arlecchino is said to work best with overload team so maybe not 😂

furina is a bis character anyway for 90% of the roster without the inherent hp drain. shes just an overtuned character. arlecchino will probably have her in her best team either that or she will have chev in it

not really a problem imo since they're fully functional without her unlike dendro teams without nahida

@@DG_Totiso Arlecchino would be designed such that her and Furina don’t have to work together. Lore accurate?

they are still laughing. these buffoons will always hype every character GI release, because they are being payed for it

They're still laughing. Baizhu isn't the only healer with aoe heal and he still has low ownership rate. As in, majority doesn't bother pulling him.

​@@KruukkHe has highest or near highest survival support play rate in the Abyss for 3 patches now since 4.2 with Furina debut Do some research rather than shit on the irrelevant ownership rate 🥱

​@@chihaotran1568usage rate is also a shit metric lol. Dont talk like u have the high ground

@@deltaspecies1697 Lol usage rate in Abyss is shit metric lol 🤣🤣 ?? Sure 🤡🤡 what a clown Then are you saying that Furina, Neuvilette, Kazuha, Nahida,.. are not good because they have insane usage rate consistently 🤣🤣🤣 I always have the high ground because I do my research before my comment. Not like you 🥳

They ARE useless. Unless you have Furina or use Bennett, healers do nothing to help make you run faster when Abyss is all about the timer. Unless they make a Genshin equivalent of Sim Uni/Pure Fiction where staying alive is all that matters, dodging is always faster than wasting time waiting. Even shielding is faster but Hoyo just have a massive grudge against Zhongli

@@nonamepasserbya6658Wise man once said 0 HP means 0 DPS

@@shaderunner7.0 0 DPS only if you use Qiqi. The point is healers need to do something other than just heal and we have plenty (Mika, Kuki, Baizhu, Xianyun, etc...) What you said contradicts nothing about what I said earlier. Hell you can see it even in Star Rail where the line between Harmony and Abundance blurs with HuoHuo

@@nonamepasserbya6658 tell me you have never put Clam or Song on Qiqi without telling me you haven't put Clam or Song on Qiqi. Also what I was referring to having 0 HP is your goddamn Damage Dealer that didn't survive some BS thrown in your way, so now it has 0 HP which means 0 DPS. Job of a healer is your damage to not reach 0 HP. If your damage cannot do 36-star clear with a healer in team, your Artifacts, weapon or team suck or all you can do is dodge and have Skill issue everywhere else.

they'll throw darts at improving anything but geo

@@Cajun_SeasoningThey already buffed Geo directly in 1.3(?), and another indirect buff with Gorou. Although I agree that it’s not enough to keep up with the rest of the elements.

Just to clarify, even for characters like Hu Tao and Xiao, you don't want their health bars to stay in the red wherever possible. Meanwhile the "on-life-support" characters proposed here would perform optimally in this health range.

Just like how Fontaine hasn't really done anything inherently to improve Sumeru's Dendro mechanics, I believe this new mechanic could be introduced in Natlan since it too does not improve upon Fontaine's health changing mechanics.

Almost forgot, these "on-life-support" shield teams could also stress the importance of DEF on your on field character, since the shields strength is directly affected by it, thereby making DEF actually more desirable over HP in such teams, thereby introducing the non-Geo-specific DEF meta. Alternatively, IF an on field "on-life-support" character drains HP until a certain FLAT amount (i.e. not based on HP percentage), then you could reasonably build that character for more HP instead of DEF, so that you could achieve a lower percentage HP remaining to increase the buffs gained, which sounds completely counterintuitive but THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT MORE INTERESTING.

Imagine the pyro archon kit would be: The higher the staggering resistance or shield strength applied to the team, the higher the dmg of the whole team that will be deal. That would skyrocket dehya, xingqiu and shielders so big. Imagine dehya becomes meta there in natlan "copium".

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Kokomi often has been use as an off-fielder bcs of her good hydro application. Furina upgraded her a lot to be a more capable unit as an on-field driver/dps bcs of her perfect aoe healing which synergizes well with furina's kit. Teams like kazuha, kokomi, yelan/xingqiu and furina is one of the most broken mono elements teams. I enjoyed that team a lot especially in the abyss with the presence of pyro enemies. Before furina, kokomi was mainly used as an off field unit. The role of her as an on-field driver/dps was in nilou bloom and hyperbloom teams where kokomi drives the reaction around her

No one needs her anymore and back then her hydro app got buffed while Barbara got unfairly nerfed. She is and always was a dead spot. People just use her because Ayaka don't have any other good teammates until now

@@nonamepasserbya6658 Mona and kokomi are still the only 2 two viable hydros for ganyu/ayaka freeze. No one else has aoe hydro application.

@@nonamepasserbya6658 kokomi's healing is meta with furina wdym nobody is using her now? Kokomi as a driver is pretty OP

@@SmartyPoohBearI'll introduce you to the madness in my mind with using Nilou as my Ayaka's AoE Hydro applicator. Also Furina's Ousia has decent AoE on one of the pets

I love using Yaoyao in my Nilou team. She’s just so good 💕.

Oh! Yes please!

A shield that throws projectiles back at enemies would be awesome.

don't their attacks pierce through shields tho

@@mptyalln no, the debuff only applied so essentially at the time we all thought that we needed more shield since we wouldn't take damage anyway

If you need more DPS, go fo neuvillette But Furina can make your ayaka/Hutao have another booster

I believe Natlan is going to be around self-inflicting reactions, seeing that Bennett is the only hero that can self apply Pyro. I think we're going to get a DPS who can self inflict Hydro, Cryo, or Electro on allies and its mechanic revolves around how many are inflicted with Hydro, Cryo, or Electro. Imagine that.

I think the Pyro Archon will be a versatile support like Raiden and Nahida where both Raiden and Nahida can act as either main DPS, sub-DPS, or support.

​@@neliaironwood7573battlepass claymore indicate this mechanic, so you are onto something