The Complete Story Of Final Fantasy 7 Remake: The Structure Of 5: PART 2 

Seems like a lot of really dedicated individuals took a lot of time to think about things for sure! I am glad to see you excited about the future of the game! Definitely rubs off! Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting!

@@Sleepezi Someone should ping @Maximillian DOOD

@@LaerHeiSeiRyuu more like the other way round lol

Square is nuts man. Nuts.

Yeh we should max would have his head explode seeing this

I super appreciate you saying so! Thank you very much!

I'm not gonna disagree with the "...undeniably the best and most well thought out ....I've heard part" but I would be inclined to replace "prediction" with analysis/theory I mean isn't it his take on all the info that can be gleaned from the entire compilation, right? I will admit I haven't watched the whole video yet 😅

Love how he makes sense of things others might just write off as plot holes

I know Im kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good site to watch newly released series online?

@Derrick Howard Flixportal

well let me start off by saying, I have never seen a comment quite like this one. 1. Film school taught me that looking at each frame can show you a lot of fun details, became a really big fan of picking out crew members and camera operators. (Nolan of The Dark Knight fame is a very big culprit of that.) 2. its a lot to talk about, and a lot left to talk about. I knew that having just one video wouldn't tie a bow on everything. glad any of you stuck around for part 1 let alone part 2. 3. I definitely can't help myself but get excited about sharing this kind of stuff with you guys. Most of the fun of it would be lost if we can't all share in the same theorizing fun! 4. I spend my day after the video trying to catch up with you guys. I was not expecting my comments to be filled with such engagement / positive feedback / support when I posted part 1. Ever since then all you guys have been is supportive. which means you guys care about this stuff a lot, and its important to you. Which is important to me. It means that it should be met with the same amount of attention that you guys put into it. Big brainess and love for something is what we are all here to enjoy! 5. I can't be right all the time, and I will definitely be wrong again. it is difficult to absorb what is new and going on in the circle when your so focused on the one thing your researching. I did a better job of addressing weaker arguments and presenting them as such in part 1 in my opinion, which I think part 2 lacked. I see a lot of people talking about my Rufus theory, and rightly so, it was the weakest theory. should have made it clear that that was the way I felt about it. and I am glad you guys point that stuff out to me. and since you guys are the ones watching it, and I am the only one looking over my work. your guys feedback makes it easier for me to see things more objectively. 6. I honestly thought people would figure out where I was going before I got there. And dragging things out would make watching the video frustrating. was worried about the breathing. but in retrospect it seems like it worked out. maybe not the best, but not as bad as I had imagined it being. 7. The only game that engaged me on the level that remake did was Bloodborne. I was knee deep in that from the moment that I picked it up, and I am still talking about it today. Its my favorite game of all time and I spent a lot of my time after playing it soaking in all the fun details and discussing it with my brother (he loves those games, and deconstructing this kind of stuff too.). played DS 3 and demon souls. but I haven't gotten around to the first Dark souls, or 2. and sekiro. all of those games are on my list still. Your comment is: extremely thoughtful. engaging. and very detailed. the amount of time and thought that you put into this was extremely, well, sweet. and it made me happy to see someone taking this time to write something so nice and thoughtful. a very rare comment to see, and an extremely supportive one at that. You sir. are the man. Thank you for watching. Truly. we will see what comes of all of this. hopefully more content for you to enjoy!

Wow this comment is amazing and matches this video so well. Great job to both of you! :)

@@Sleepezi Maybe we can get a similar video with Bloodborne or any of your favorite games in the future?

@@jamma1511 I would love to re familiarize myself with Bloodborne again. I would most certainly have to replay it again to be able to talk about it more in depthly. But yes. I think that once I have finished with my main discussion of Final fantasy 7, I will be trying some other things out. Its just that there is still so much to talk about in this one subject, and its all very fresh in my mind.

@@jamma1511Thanks for the comment: I would love to do one on any Souls game. really. those games are so much fun to talk about, and look at. especially Bloodborne. That being said, I know at some point there wont be much to talk about for Final Fantasy 7, and we will just be waiting for more. during that time, and I don't feel super compelled to talk about anything FF related, I will be branching out most likely to other things. I already have a couple of things that I want to get to, but it would be so much fun to get back into that world! Thanks for asking jamma!

I completely agree. I think Ff7 Remake is lining up to be one of the greats. an all encompassing picture of all of the stories that it has told. its going to be crazy talking about some of the other details that I am getting myself into. DoC and Crisis Core are turning into main players in bigger ways than I previously thought. those two games are really ironing out some key details that brings what I have been talking about to a full circle. (its a lot, but its super interesting. and absolutely confirms a well thought out story here. We just haven't been able to start seeing it up until this point.) I can't wait to show you guys it. I am in the middle of writing this new part now. I was a bit afraid that there wasn't more to talk about in the subjects I have already discussed. but that just keeps proving to not be the case. Sorry for ranting, I very much appreciate you watching the series. and I really appreciate your support!

@@Sleepezi you are so damn clever...I think you should win a prize if you're right. Its really funny the one thing this remake did really well is it got people communicating. The one thing everyone seems to want to do after beating it is to talk about it. I made 3 people beat it faster just so I could talk to a real person about it without spoiling it for them. I was done in 3 days they took their sweet time. LoL. Oh yeah I totally saw this being a fully realized story of all ff7 media especially with that ending. I also think its going to go beyond ff7OG /DoC in story and game play.

I couldn't have said it better myself. Could very well be.

@@Sleepezi the Gnostic Bible.

seconded

I will be trying to do my best on part 3, there is a core to what I want to talk about, but I have been trying to do my best in giving myself some time to delve back into research. Part 1 and 2 kind of moved together as a unit in terms of how much was found for both of those videos. Where as part 3 has some of those things, I need to dive in and explore some more. So I don't want to say the 3rd will be coming out as soon as the last one. (it might, but no promises on that.) I am also really interested in talking to you guys, getting back to things that you say. Because you guys have spent a considerable amount of time giving me your thoughts/ feelings/ and critisisms. all of which I really do appreciate. I 00% think that if your into this stuff, taking a look at both of those games is a great place to start. I really appreciate you guys taking part in all of this, watching the videos and commenting. it really makes it worth it!

Just few other thoughts: 1) I immediately subscribed to your channel 2) I have to see these videos 100 times to follow everything you explain in such a deep way 3) I FINALLY understood why the weapons attacked US and not Sephiroth in the OG 4) You, Maximillian Dood and 4-8 productions are my favorite FF7 youtubers of all times 5) Please go on with these videos because the connections you could find I did not hear them anywhere else and they seem to match as puzzle pieces Gosh I am overwhelmed!!! I want to hear more of your predictions for future parts of the Remake! :)

This is hilarious. you got me. lol as for your other thoughts: 1) Thank you, I really appreciate it! 2) you are braver than I am to do so. I listen back to myself now and its hard to keep up with myself. lol 3) I really hope that the explanation holds for this. There is enough evidence there to give it a chance. but with the nature of theories its always up to the next news drop. 4) I am a max fan myself dood. I appreciate you saying so. that means a lot! 5) I can barely keep up with the stuff I am finding. I will most likely be getting things down in the days to come. For the first time in a while I have a huge amount to cover and a lot to say about what I have to find. it will be a tricky next vid. but I am excited to share more with you guys! Thank you very VERY much for your comments. I had a lot of fun reading these. I appreciate you joining in! and thank you for watching!

@@Sleepezi stop capping... you’re either a Square insider or a genius 😅

lol who knows! we will have to see where this all leads to 10 years down the line!

Don't you mean sweet googly moogly 😉

So I will start off by saying: Sorry for the long comment. Thank you very much, I really appreciate what your saying here. I think pointing out the cynical side is fine to do so. because in my opinion it breeds less creativity to people who are only theorizing because they are curious about it, and want to be involved. I love reading the comments on these videos because it just shows me how much people are involving themselves in the game. and I think that in its own right is the games success. That being said: I think, after experiencing the ending of the game. I couldn't completely lean on cynicism. doesn't mean I didn't try to for my first conversations about it with some of my friends. Didn't feel like I was being genuine to how I felt about it by doing that though. For me, it ended up being more mysterious, than something that I was overly critical about. and as I heard people start to theorize, I just couldn't help myself but try and figure out what exactly was going on. I do really think this game is special, I think that its story is special. I think this could be a one of a kind experience depending on how this is handled. I think that the reason I personally connect to this material so much is because I love storytelling, and I used to draw a lot. I think the part that nomura is contributing to this game is very visually engaging me storytelling wise. and that stuff just fires me up. so as far as people giving up on the game, we will just have to keep finding some crazy stuff like the flowers! And I don't think mickey will make an appearance I haven't gotten a complement on editing before, someone mentioned the music to me in the last video so I tried to step up the game on that. I am glad it paid off! But what I really want: is to see an unreal engine V fight with Minerva and all of the weapons. All of them. swooping camera angles and all of them contributing to the battle through attacks. (of course this would be after fighting them all individually. Grouping them all together for one fight would be disappointing .) I am not sure about the rufus thing though, that was more of an observation. tbh

@@Sleepezi yeah dont group them up from the beginning, all the mementun would be lost like at the end of KH3

I noticed those but I didn't really look into them all that much. but that is really interesting the difference that you are pointing to, two seperate functions for them is very important I think. Really good work. And thank you for sharing!

I thought this was already public knowledge to be honest. Honestly should have been something mentioned in the first part to be honest! Either way glad to see you excited about the info! Thank you for watching!

I didn't either 9, I didn't either. I hope it meets expectations! Thank you for your support, and I really appreciate you watching!

I can't agree with what you said more. I just can't wait to see what happens next! Thank you for watching, thank you for your support!

You and me both Rhomagus. I appreciate your enthusiasm greatly, and you absolutely deserved the shout out. your obviously super into this like I am and it rubs off. Glad to have you as a viewer and I appreciate your comments and observations greatly!

Sleepezi truly amazing stuff you have going on here. I’ve watched both videos now and given you shout outs on reddit and in my friends circle. Mind blowing information and super well thought out. Never would have put all of these together even though I’ve played all of these games over the years. Keep up the great work!

You will see it ;)

@@Sleepezi Yellow and Purple are also contrasting colors on the color wheel.

@@Sleepezi Yep saw it.

I also haven't known that Lazard is a kid of Shinra, although i've played Crisis Core several times years ago. That was a revelation to me.

It's not Leslie who's half Shinra but Evan Townshend, the main character of The Kids Are Alright. Leslie does feature as a side character though.

I am sure it is, from all the research I have done on FF7 I would say never trust a single doctor you see in any form. They all turn out to be crazy in the end. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, was trying to find more places for it, but didn't find this one. I will look into it now! Thank you for watching / Commenting!

Sleepezi you're welcome. Just finished the video. Last 15 minutes blew my mind. I'm even more hyped up for the next installment of the game and your next video.

@@Sleepezi It's also worth nothing the crow in the intro has feathers with the same coloration as Sephiroth. Black with purple hues.

@@DemonLordSparda I love you for pointing this out.

@@mikeheiser3728 Well thank you. It is also fascinating since Odin is associated with crows and ravens. Plus as soon as the Sephiroth music starts that bird is there. It's possible Sephiroth went back to the building of Midgar.

awesome comment - I hope you get a reply :)

I agree with your second point. Cloud used the memories he had with Zack and the stories he had heard to fabricate a lie that he was a Soldier. He never took the feelings and emotions from Zack. If that were the case Cloud and Zack would act completely similar which is far from the case. In short, Cloud copied Zack's resume not his personality.

@fmaster99 1) I agree completely that Rufus's cetra heritage was the most rocky concept presented in this video. I think that because of just the lack of hard evidence, other than the one idea of him seeing the whispers, makes it hard to say definitively. I want to be clear that I really dont see any direction for that idea, it just seemed odd to me that he could see it. a side note: I will be trying harder to present certain ideas like the rufus one in the future in the frame of mind that this is more of an open for discussion / speculation, because of how inconclusive it all can seem. I 100% agree that my theory could be explained away in two seconds in the next game or in an interview. I think for the most part that is more on me for the way I presented the concept in the video. The difference between what is happening with Barret and Tifa is that they are directly involved in the events of time at the moment where they are able to see them. in the first video I mention that the reason for their appearance needs forceful action in order to set time back into place, and since they are the problem they become visible to them. I admit that this can also be explained away just by Barrets and Tifa's larger role in the timeline allowing them this sight, which then could be easily applied to Rufus. The reason for Shinra's actions fall under the same context of the this is speculation, but there are some things to point to: but, if Shinra and Ifalna were to be together in some capacity, there is also the likelihood that the information about the promised land came to Shinra through Ifalna to clarify its existence. Shinra seems pretty heavily convinced of its existence through out the game, why though? I think even hojo doesn't even really believe in it, he thinks its a bunch of rubbish. but he has said similar things about Loveless, and I am not sure if I believe him in that context. So again, flimsy Anyway, when Shinra set his sites onto making it his goal to find it through her, she could have decided in that moment to leave with gast instead. The moral corruption of Shinra leading her to someone who were more in line with her beliefs. There are a couple of other things to point out for this idea, but without going into too much detail: there is a lot of loose pieces to the subject of exactly why Ifalna was at Shinra headquarters to begin with. there is some evidence that could be drawn to what function Ifalna's purpose was to be present. but the reason that its all speculation is because we really don't know enough about her to say so. There are some leads that I would love to bring up in a video to see what you guys think though. Ifalna's necklace being one, and ties to the church's / place of worship. A section I sadly had to remove due to how much time I had already taken up. Either way I think that you present a good point on this subject. EDIT: WOOPS, I skipped a part! Zack: I think there was something that I read during my research ( I can't remember where, but I will see if I can pull it up later) is that Jenova was able to take on the appearence of people that people knew, (you actually see kadaj doing this in the boys are alright. which is really crazy, and is the same reason that Jenova is able to change her appearence to that of sephiroth from what I understand) and that this ability is actually the reason for Clouds restructuring of his persona, is that the jenova cells actually fabricated a new identity through Clouds memories of zack. The claim of this was made just based off of The Maiden who traveled the planet, and since that isn't a completely valid source material as I have been told by looking at other comments you probably are right. Just from her perspective in that book though she seems to know that there are some falsehoods of clouds personality and feelings overall, but that she concerned herself with finding the true cloud so to speak. So yes! He mainly took away the resume of Zack, but from the point of time that I wrote that it seemed like there was more to it. 2) oddly enough, this is something that I really want to discuss in the part 3 of the video to some capacity. But from what I believe in this moment: I think that the events of FF7 remake will most likely lead to the same Final boss in FF7. There is a lot to talk about with that. Minerva having a larger presence in the story, and being a final boss in some capacity, would be out of this world to see. From a fan boy perspective, seeing Minerva in a fight with the party, while she is also using every weapon in the game to try and annihilate your party. Would be the coolest thing I think in any video game ever. I am thinking of making videos that go into the detail of what to expect from each part or area of the story could be a lot of fun, and including some hopes for the story and how they play out. (of course based off of the same research.) 3) Someone brought up the idea that you would have to choose between saving arieth, or stopping sephiroth in her death sequence. I think THAT is the only genuinely interesting choice that you could make with that idea of choice in this part of the game. (I am not sure if thats possible though due to how drastic the change in story would be from the decision. Would be a nightmare to build two seperate directions for just one pivitol choice.) I am however, the last person to give an answer as to what should be done about that scene at the moment. It is all speculation on my part. nothing definitive. but based off of the 7 seconds line, it seems that there will be something to choose there, but again, not sure. 4) I do think that there is a lot of evidence that has been presented from other people that back up that there is something very purposeful about the time travel, and what exactly is going on there. Based on what I have seen, it seems that its too thought out to be just for show. I think that was another fault of mine in the video. I wasn't trying to remove the validity of any speculation that should be made on the subject of Zack living and what exactly is going on with time based on that. but like all things that I have been seeing in final fantasy 7 Remake is that there are multiple levels of meaning with things that are said, and what we have seen. So I think the point I made was still valid, but its not the only thing that is being said with that scene. A good example of that is the steel sky line from Arieth, those couple lines have multiple meanings to them, and all of them right. It is a crisis core reference, its a reference to her actions in remake, its a representation of how she has felt. everything she says has a huge amount of information and references. I am sorry that this took so much time to get back to, but your effort needed to be matched with effort. lol I really appreciate your engaging ideas, and that you took the time to talk about them. thank you for watching!

@Causality everyone does, these larger posts take a lot of time to digest though, need to use big brain to talk big brain. usually after posting these videos I try and step away from thinking about things for a bit, but I think its really important to get back to you guys to have a conversation about what your thinking. I appreciate your reply to the comment though, helped point me in the direction of some interesting thoughts. Thanks for commenting / watching! ;)

@The5nakohao Tried to do my best to answer that in the first post in this discussion! let me know what you think!

It was more than deserved dude, you really have been an awesome support for me in the two videos. And that means a lot. I Can't thank you enough! I attribute the milestone to people like you who are sticking around. Will try and keep delivering for you guys too. Thank you!

Thank you so much Trevor! I really appreciate you saying so! Really going to try my best for you guys! Planning more content for the future, and obviously more theory crafting for part 3. I really appreciate your support!

I sincerely appreciate the complement! I really appreciate that you enjoyed it this much! I will try and keep improving to deliver more for you guys with each video! Thank you for taking the time to comment, and to watch!

Man that is really awesome to hear you say! I know that the length is an issue for people, but I am glad people are responding to the video regardless. I am glad to have your support and thank you for the kind words!

I told you I would get to this one! lol SO, thank you! I am glad that you came in to take a look! I am also super glad to be able to share this stuff with you, because the lore is so exciting! Its taken a lot of time to get through all of this to make this content, but its super fun and super worth it! but yes lots of headaches, and a lot of time dedicated to making sure it all gets properly communicated, not only in the script but in the edit! Especially part 2 was so difficult to manage, it was hard to tell when exactly points or conclusions to thoughts were being emphasized enough! just because of its length alone made that extremely difficult! Part 4 at this point is going to be a lot of the same management, but its going to be a bridge we cross very soon! I too am a lore lover, and to see you just as passionate about it with your comment through your support shows! Thank you for taking the time to watch these! The pleasure was all mine!

Type 0 has been mentioned to me a couple times, I am curious as to what that is all about. Especially since before crisis seems to have a lot of connection to it due to the same director? might not be remembering that right. Lol yea Valentine has a different place in part 3 that needs to be talked about for sure. gotta do more research for it though! The unedited version was...lol long. I think it was over 2 hours. left some things out for the videos sake, but also for my own. had a hard time with the length already, it was hard to wrangle it all together! I want to say thank you for your comment, it means a lot. And I am just so glad that you enjoyed them so much Tyso!

@@Sleepezi indeed, before crisis was tabata's way of implementing the BC concept on a new game. Both crisis core and type-0 were, in very early stages, supposed to be a remake of before crisis on the psp. I don't have the links here to show reference as proof, but i know this from personal research made from when i was planning on trying to recreate before crisis on rpgmaker.

down the road there is always an opportunity to get into it with you guys with another franchise of some kind! Thank you very much for watching!

I just hope that he will watch it one of these days, would love to get his opinion! But you saying that makes me so happy, and its very sweet of you to say! Thanks for being so supportive! and thank you for watching!

@@Sleepezi He's gonna have that Max wide eyed shocked face and its gonna get stuck that way. Literally had me just deep in thought over all the connections, especially over the proto materia. So many people downplay FF7:DoC But is jam with lore. Also the Before Crisis info dump was I was like "Oh SHIT, HE BOUT TO TALK ABOUT JADE WEAPON." Nevertheless, well done sir. Cant wait for what you have in store.

Lol I appreciate that, I know that feeling because I get it myself with other videos! Thank you for being so supportive, and checking the videos out!

I hope you enjoyed! And I appreciate you watching!

I appreciate you saying so, very much enjoyed going through a very special series only to find some really neat stuff. couldnt help but make some videos trying to explain it! Thank you for your subscription, and thank you for watching!

Thank you for your support! its super appreciated! Well from personal experience, it is a absolute thrill to be diving in. If your into the lore. I absolutely recommend it! And I think all of it is worth looking into, especially if your skeptical! I think thats great! I am just glad that you took the time to watch, and it fired you up! Thanks for watching!

I am super hyped too! Part 3 is going to take a bit of time to develop I think. but it will be coming! I really appreciate your support, and thank you for commenting!

ty again!

I really hope that I have at least got some of it right. (minerva mainly, I would really like to see that myself.) I think its very daunting for people to go through the compilation again, its not a simple thing to do, and since some of the games are not even playable that makes it all the more deterring. also trying to get a hold of Advent Children Complete anywhere streaming wise is not easy either. The copy I bought from amazon doesn't have the scenes that I wanted to use, so I had to find them somewhere else. I would say that games like Crisis Core and Dirge are also so differently styled gameplay wise from the original FF7. (kind of like some of the KH games) that making your audience play a game, that doesn't play the way they like to, get lore about a game you love is a very backwards mindset (IMO). Its one of the main reasons I haven't played KH 3 because it really put me off. (and how long it took to be made) Sorry, to get to the point here: I will be trying to gather as many physical copies myself, but I bet its going to be a fun read for you! I am very glad that you and your partner took the time to watch it and discuss the videos! I appreciate you taking the time to drop a comment as well. Thank you!

There is a great video discussing the concept of a singularity, done by a very intellegent dude. its hard to digest if your not familiar with the concept of it, but I think he does a great job explaining it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QtLFzNXMPnU.html I have yet to touch the subject of time travel regarding zack because I think there is a lot of people who have just done a better job getting into it / its been covered extensively. I do see what you are saying here though. gonna try and spend some time wrapping my head around it! 2) That is an awesome find. there are two representations of animals that I know of that are depicted similarly, and seem to be connected directly to characters The wolf in Ac and the Bird in Remake but I haven't heard the take on Minerva being the bird, that is supper interesting, and I would love to see something like that show up. I wouldn't put it past her to summon the harbinger either. I will check out your Reddit thread for sure. I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment! its super appreciated!!

@@Sleepezi Thanks for sharing the video. I think i understand the singularity affects a little better. His points are definitely valid as there are evidence to support in game. I din't factor in the dome part in my theory which as i look at it now, i think its important. Anws, look forward to your explanation and meanwhile stay safe, i mean your mind, as i'm definitely tapping out for now.

Hopefully we can keep the hype train rolling right down the road to new mind blowing news for Remake. Yes, I am working on more for the series! I have a lot of evidence to gather for the next part though so I don't want to say exactly when I will be getting things out. but they are coming. I am glad to help fill the gap. Thank you again for watching!

The easiest way that I have been able to explain it is that the language of the Compilation enforces a lot of what we see in Remake, but the idea is not to rely on the language of the compilation, but use it to start blending into the Original. Will Genesis be in Remake? maybe a nod. I think that both characters would be fantastic inclusions on some level, whether they actually have impact on the plot or not. but to be relied on as the crux of story? unlikely. I think for the most part the story will rely on the Original as the base, not shake things up too much because thats where the heart of every bit of this lore lies. Either way, I appreciate you taking the time to write out your thoughts, I know that some of this stuff can get a bit on the outlandish side, but its good to know that you enjoyed it all the same! Thank you Thank you!

People mentioned the rufus /Shinra clothing. I can't believe that I didn't explore that idea myself (since it was staring me in the face for 2 weeks.) I don't have a good understanding of FFX, but it has been mentioned to me several times. I think at some point it would be really fun to get into that subject of their universes connecting. and see if there are more things to point out. Who knows what that might lead to, we never know! Its all thanks to you guys for stickin around, and being as awesome as you have. I really really appreciate your guys support! Thank you!

I appreciate your engagement. Seriously its because of you guys that all of this is going so well. So thank you kindly. its interesting just due to the fact that you can get certain cutscenes to happen just based on your choice. I don't know how much they will be expanding on this idea moving into sequels of Remake. But it would be interesting to see Zack's effect on the love story. It makes it very hard to say just because there could potentially be so many options. I agree though giving us a some sort of solid confirmation could be nice. (also upsetting for some.) It would nice to see exactly what happens 500 years in the future too, or some variation of that. to see someone other than RedXIII in that scene would really be a huge deal, and a nice subtle way to tell us things have changed for the better. Thank you so much for being so supportive and taking the time to comment again., I super appreciate that! Thank you!

Thank you for watching and thank you for commenting! I always appreciate people spending the time to not only dedicate many hours of their time to watching them, let alone sharing them! Glad to contribute to more love for the Franchise! here is to continued enjoyment of FF7, thanks again!

@@Sleepezi every person that has complained about them "changing" the story, has to watch these. They must know the truth that it is being completed not changed.

100x thank you for your comment. I really enjoyed reading this. Yes, I completely agree with the idea that you have painted for the version of a retelling of the compilation! Haven't given any thought to the inclusion of omegas role in the future, but its definitely something to consider! Jenova I think ties the ribbon on this story pretty well, or at least gives me a pretty solid idea as to how things are playing out. I am not sure how any of the FFX stuff will play into any of this. I have yet to dive into that lore, because there is already so much to get into with just this one collection of games. I really appreciate you saying that. I think a lot of theory videos are easily prone to a massive amount of speculation, I have tried to keep the evidence to what I can see as far as all of the elements that I am examining. I could do better to do more research, and will continue to do so! I look forward to more comments of yours! And thank you for your support.

@@Sleepezi I think how you're handling it is great. The FFX stuff I think would be unwieldy to include and at most they should make a reference to Sin being a weapon, but even that isn't needed at all. As for Omega, I'm surprised you haven't thought about it with how much you've delved into DoC! Seems like the easiest way for them to scale up the danger level beyond Sephiroth and make Vincent more directly tied to the original story but I look forward to your thoughts going forward and to see if ANY of us speculators are right at all haha.

it was a lot of work, I thought about splitting it up but I think that it all needed to be said to give relevance to the rest of the theory. I really appreciate you watching this! Thank you Boulder Punch! :D

@@Sleepezi So now having made my way through this, your research is absolutely incredible. The way you're able to tie all the compilation/expanded universe stuff together in a way that's easy to follow and understand (I'm mostly just familiar with remake, og, and advent children) is very well done. Even though this was nearly two hours, it kept me engrossed. Are there going to be more parts? The amount you have covered and tied together is absolutely INSANE. That said, as I mentioned in your previous video (and what I covered in my video on remake), my main concern is that by trying to tie together everything in a nice bow, they greatly increase the chances of the plot collapsing on itself. Yes, they have more time to work with (as remake will be multiple parts), but I'm still concerned that they'll try to get too cute with it and lose some of that heart and soul that made the OG so special. That said, Remake has shown they still understand the heart and soul and mostly nailed the characters. Look forward to seeing what else you put out. Note: If anyone is interested, I made a video covering some of my concerns about the future of remake (although I am still optimistic) - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-kW00Aya4MgI.html

I think that there is a reason that Cloud is drawn to her on his own, I think arieth is aware of his difficulties with his memories though, but that can't quite be confirmed through The Maiden Who Travels The Planet just because of it being outside of the compilation. I do think that its odd that she is telling him that what he is feeling is not real, it just seems a bit on the noise. Rufus being Cetra is 100% hard to believe. I should have made that clearer in the video that is the way I felt about it as well. When theorizing its really important to be clear about what has any conclusive evidence and what doesn't, and me not being clear about that was a mistake. I do think that there is some connection to the planet, just by virtue of how the planet uses this energy to recycle life essentially (I didn't have that thought before this post, but there is evidence to support this and would be an interesting thing to bring up. but thats how bugenhaggen presents it in the original FF7) I would agree that marlene and Rufus could absolutely just have a better connection the planet without having to be cetra. Either way I super appreciate you taking the time to talk about this! and I super appreciate you watching the video as well! Glad you enjoyed!

@@Sleepezi Well my interpretation has always been that Cloud has a multiple personality disorder, but one of them is always on the forefront until you go into his subconscious in Disc 2(why both personalities do not jump back and forth is because of the jenova cells). When Aerith tell Cloud what he feels is not real is foreshadowing to this revelation. She does say something similar in Gold Saucer in the original(her date scene). Looking forward to part 3.

@@Sleepezi In the og ff7 during Aerith date, she mentions wanting to "meet you" to Cloud while he is here. "I'm searching for you". "I want to meet you". Cloud doesn't understand "but I'm right here". Aerith just repeats "what I mean is I want to meet ... you". For me, it means she knew this was not his true personality.

@@Sleepezi It's been a while since I've played it but I think it's said by the end of Crisis Core (or in Last Order) that during their escape from Nibelheim and the Turks, Zack would constantly speaks to (half-concsious) Cloud about random stories, his dreams ... and the woman he loves, among a multitude of things. This is set to explain why Cloud identifies himself as Zack and the whole ex-SOLDIER 1st class shebang. Because of his dazed state he ended up taking memories told by Zack as being is own. Without knowing Zack's girlfriend true identity, upon meeting with Aerith, Cloud most certainly saw in her someone who matches Zack's lover and led him to develop feelings for her. Not on his own accord but purely based on knowledge he assed from Zack. At least at first. But maybe meeting Zack then Aerith, who represent light/good and even Sephiroth, who represents darkness/bad was all an attempt from Destiny to craft Cloud into the Gift Of The Goddess, a balanced, complete, being capable of defeating Jenova? Terribly sorry if it sound a bit messy, I tried my best with english.

@@angelebel8426 There is literally "no evidence" in OG or CC that Zack told anything about Aerith to Cloud. Its all just fan made theories. If Zack had told Cloud about Aerith, then why didn't he recognised her in the church? On the contrary, OG explicitly stated that Cloud's jenova cells only read Tifa's memories.

I am glad you expressed interest on this. I was wondering myself if this would be interesting to you guys. I might be streaming a run of FF7R or the OG to do a lore run, and maybe do the rest of the series as well as you mentioned. it might be boring for some, but going through the games would be of great help to me to finding more things. I will maybe make a post about it if it ever ends up happening. but I am glad you brought it up, and I appreciate you watching the series!

Sleepezi definitely go for it!

It is...an unhealthy amount of research. Lol I’m really happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for the support!

I needed to take a couple of those while editing. I know the feeling! I love falling asleep to long videos myself! mainly ff speedruns. those are fun for me! Thanks for taking the time to watch all of this. and thanks for sticking around!

Thank you for being so supportive! I hope that its all as connected as its making itself out to be. I love finding those connections. Some are harder than others to connect though! (part 3 is going to be a handful. lol) I agree with what you said about Rufus. I should have been a bit less concrete on that point. Thank you so much for watching!

I really appreciate your support Luis! Seriously the fact that you guys even watched it blows my mind. I cannot thank you guys enough for sharing this with people that you might think are interested. I hope to make more content for you guys to enjoy in the future as much as part 1 and 2. Thank you thank you!

Lol! love this. Thank you very much for your support. and I hope you enjoy the rest of the series as well!

Sleepezi I’m gonna be honest, I did not expect someone to actually make a valid argument that Genesis would be coming back and to actually make sense. So I give you props bravo 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

I am glad you enjoyed yourself! a lot of details for sure. hahaha And thank you for your support once again!

it was intense to wrangle it into a video that is for sure! I am super glad you enjoyed it, and I hope to keep it up for you guys!

a part of her always is. Sephiroth is the product of her. in more ways than one! but without going into detail a lot of the sephiroth we fight at the end of the game is in part Jenova as well. key differences though!

i sometimes wonder if the centra was from aonther world that jenova was on fighting each other, and came to earth to hide from jenova

I've always wanted a movie/anime of the Cetra's war with Jenova, it would easily answer a lot of loose ends from the past.

Going to try and do my best on Part 3, but might take a bit more time with it just to make sure its as strongly built as possible. Glad to have you guys around, glad to see you all enjoying it, and really appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment!

I would agree with you It was hard to wrangle each part of the video (because of its length) to guide every idea to the conclusion. I stand by what I said, but I think more evidence could have been used in certain places to better inform you guys of exactly how I arrived to that conclusion. we will see how things work out, and there is definitely more smoke to investigate in future videos! Thanks for watching, and thanks for commenting!

they all have there place in fun...some maybe not as much as others. lol. glad to keep giving you guys the content! and thank you so much for checking the video out! I super appreciate it!

I really appreciate that! thank you very much for saying so! That whole concept of the summons came up around the time that I was wrapping up part 2. I will be looking into it more for sure. Shiva specifically, because her function might line up with what your talking about: another specific peace of lore that has to do with Jenova's imprisonment in the original game, and elaborated on more in Remake through Shiva. I still need to look into the other summons and all that. Well for sure from the vr cutscene we are seeing some of the summons being made, that materia that we see formed in the cave become the summons that move through the forest. (I think, I am going off of memory here) I wouldn't be surprised that Minerva did. some evidence that I need to figure out. THAT MURAL: is going to be the death of me. So. many. things in that. that I seriously want to know about, and I have a few ideas. but its just a lot of information and a lot to chew on. but eventually I will get to that mammoth of exploration when I get there. I am currently trying to deconstruct the short story you mentioned. interesting stuff. anything related to Ifalna is an immediate read. I am doing some other investigation into her that needs a bit more work to get done, but I am really trying my best to be as thorough as possible with all of that. That yellow flower quote needs more looking at before I can say anything definitive about it. I see a bias coming out. why can't all the girls just get along?! lol Seeing anything Loveless related is always a plus for me, it would be a great intro for Jesse if thats what they were planning. I am sure there could be a lot of interesting things to say about that. The fight you described with Minerva is absolutely the way I want to see it happen. I would absolutely go out of my way to buy that DLC if they pushed it that far. I am that excited about that. Genesis in my mind seems like he is just a target for getting toned down. but cmon...just give us a little loveless in there. ;) Through Serge from Chrono Cross in there in the mix and you got yourself a deal. lol God going fan service with dlc seems like a mighty good idea when you throw the masamune in there...I am sold. I think the big one is just the weapons fight for me. I want that Minerva fight so bad. and if they are going to give us big Time monster and have it be crazy, make it crazier with Minerva. I. Want. It. Anyway, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, your enthusiasm is awesome to see and gets me pumped too! Thank you very much! and thank you for watching as well!

@@Sleepezi Oh no, thank you for making these videos! Your love for this series is infectious! I also appreciate you going through and responding to every comment on your videos! That's just a lot of work! If I had the ability to, I would send these videos to Maximilian Dood, The Night Sky Prince, Soldier 1st Class, Final Fantasy Peasant, and Final Fantasy Union! I'm sure they would enjoy them, and it would get your videos more recognition! I would love for you to be able to talk with them! It probably be one of the biggest brained podcasts I've watched/listened to, and that's saying something when Easy Allies' Spoilercast with Max and Dropped Frames' Spoilercast with Max exist! (If you can believe it, I've never played Final Fantasy VII (for longer than the first screen, I didn't like playing on an emulator on my phone), Crisis Core, Dirge of Cerberus, watched Advent Children (or Complete) all the way through (I've just seen clips), read most of the short stories, played Before Crisis, or Remake! I've experienced a lot of it through cultural osmosis and my own curiosity seeking out the information! I experienced Remake by watching Maximilian Dood play through the game (I was blown away, can you believe a game I've never played, don't own, and don't even the console to play it on is my game of the year (well, until I get Xenoblade Chronicles definitive Edition because one of my favorite games of all time being remade is great, I recommend picking it up if you've never played it before (but then I'll get Remake later)). I think it's a testament to the story, characters, world, and lore of this series that even someone like me who doesn't really have a personal connection to it enjoys the theorizing about it so much! If you're wondering why I haven't played Remake, I'm waiting for the PS5 since I don't own a PlayStation console right now. I'm actually a bit worried to go back ad play the original now that I've experienced Remake because I don't know if I'll enjoy it as much as I would've if I didn't experience Remake first since I know the characters will not be as well written, the music won't be as good, etc. However, I guess that shows how games have evolved in the years since the late 90's). I'm super excited for your Part 3! If you don't mind me asking, do you have any idea of when it's going up? Pleases, take as much time as you need, do not rush. You going so in-depth is why your videos are so good! Looking at their personalities before Remake, Tifa was the better character. However, now Remake has fleshed out both characters so much, I like both equally. The only reason Tifa is the better girl is she's hotter. (That's why I liked her better originally, so I guess it comes full circle) Question, what do you think of the alternate timeline theories and other theories out there in the community right now? (I just want to play as Zach and see his interactions with Aerith when he and Cloud reach Midgar, same with Cloud interacting with Tifa)! I have a question, have you looked into the Remake's Ultimania and previous games' Ultimanias? They probably have stuff you could pull from for your theories! On the topic of the Ultimania, what do you think about it being confirmed that there are multiple Sephiroths and the Whispers fought at the end are the Advent Children: Loz, Kadaj, and Yazoo? I've also heard that the Dissidia series is canon since the developers consider it a mainline Final Fantasy series, and a lot of the staff that worked on Dissidia are the ones who worked on FFVII. Maybe you could look through those to find more stuff? I know that they (at least NT does, I'm not sure about the older games) take place after the entire story, so after Dirge of Cerberus, so they shouldn't affect to much. I've heard Cloud's appearance in Tactics is canon, though it wouldn't add too much. I've also heard that Nojima considers X and X-2 (and maybe the audio drama) to take place before and be canon to VII (though that's a can of worms I'm not sure if I want to open). Maybe looking into other spin-offs like All the Bravest, Brave Exvius, Mobius, etc. could be helpful? I know it's a lot of work. (Through in Kingdom Hearts, because why not). Serge and his OVER 40 PARTY MEMBERS (seriously, why that many) would probably be one of the hardest fights due to the sheer number of enemies. Though, Minerva and the 9 Weapons + nearly 30 Summons throughout the FFVII universe (including Bahamut Fury and Bahamut SIN) would be up there (and probably harder). Granted, Sora and the other Kingdom Hearts protagonists might be the hardest due to their fighting style being much more fast-paced than Remake's combat. (This is why I shouldn't be a game designer, nothing is balanced)! I think it would be funny to give Cloud Drive Forms, Keyblade Transformations, and the ability to summon Kingdom Hearts with the Kingdom Key and/or the X-Blade! (I just want to fight Lavos, defeat it, immediately get dragged to the Darkness Beyond Time, fight the Dream Devourer, defeat it, and then it turns into the Time Devourer! Jenova should learn a thing from good old Uncle Lavos)! We should also fight Gilgamesh because what's a multiversal fighting arena (or any fighting arena in Final Fantasy) without Gilgamesh?! (Cloud gets Excalipoor and/or Excalibur from beating him). Maybe fight Neku and crew from The World Ends with You? I kind of want to just drop the moon on a frog! Also a fight against Fei and the Xenogears cast? I mean, Xenogears is already referenced in the original and vice versa, so why not?! But I think my best idea would be fighting the original party, post Dissidia NT (because why not)! Aerith's dead, but fights us with the Lifestream and throwing around timelines (because reasons), Cloud's using the Fusion Sword, etc! Cloud could get the Fusion Sword out of this along with Omnislash Version 5 and 6, and I don't know what to give the other Party members! Oh yeah, another thing I wanted was unlockable outfits. Let me play as Advent Children Cloud, Original Cloud (blocky hands and all), Kingdom Hearts Cloud, and, most importantly, Ms. Cloud throughout the entire game! Same thing with the other party members (but I mostly want the ability to play as Tifa and Aerith in their Mature and Red Dresses, respectively)! Oh and the ability to play as any character outside of combat. And a fix to air combat (maybe a dedicated jump button and more Kingdom Hearts-y air combat like actual air combos and mobility would be my suggestion). And Materia loadouts. And the ability to switch members in and out like FFX. (Imagine the combos with this)! And the ability to maybe swap Materia in and out. And maybe making Deadly Dodge, Assess, and (In my opinion) Steal just actions you could perform without Materia. Oh, and maybe Double and Triple Techs from Chrono Trigger (people were talking about this, and I love Chrono Trigger, so I'm all for it)! What do you think about Part 2 being open world running on Unreal Engine 5? I don't think the world is ready for 8K, 144 FPS, open world FFVII! (This is just me getting my hopes up). And now this reply is longer than my original post, wow. There's just a lot to talk about and a lot of hopes that I want to come about. Anyway, these videos are great, and keep up the hard work! You seriously deserve more subscribers because of the level of depth, detail, and polish and the amount of work that goes into your theories! Keep it up! I'll be here for the next one and videos after that!

Always appreciate you guys taking the time to watch them. Its a pleasure! Thank you!

we will see what is around the corner when I run out of breath on all of this FF7 stuff! and there are still more games to come!

Thank you jamma! Lets hope! but I am just really glad you enjoyed it! appreciate you taking the time to watch it!

I am glad to hear you say so! I hope that part 2 is a satisfactory follow up! thank you for your support and thank you for watching!

I know that these are super hard to digest. its hard for me to even watch them back without feeling that way myself. I find that most people tell me that they re watch it just to soak up what I am saying, whether they agree or not. In the future I will be trying to make that less of an issue, but for this series I think people have come to expect these densly packed episodes about all sorts of info. In future series that I do on this subject I will try and make it less overwhelming. I do appreciate you taking the time to watch each one! and I appreciate your support! Thank you!

Will do! Thank you for your support and for watching!

I cannot WAIT for the next part! and I cant wait to talk to you guys about it!

Lol thank you! we will see the how the timestamp for the next video looks...(gawd.) Thanks for watching! Part 3 will be coming soon!

@@Sleepezi Cannot wait!

I keep thinking I am done with that those two. but they just keep coming up! there is too much more to talk about. (I love talking about it, so its a plus for me!) Thank you for your support!

@@Sleepezi you deserve the support, you put the work in to earn it. And I agree, I brought them up in a comment on your last video and after watching this one your pretty much on track with what I was thinking for them only you have way more proof of why then I ever did. I never got to look into detail about a lot of the compilation I have learned and I really beleave you are right about a lot of it and if not the developers should be taking notes. I Will be watching for the next part!!

Lol thank you for sounding the bell! YES! We did it!! its all thanks to you guys for being here for this awesome ride! I am glad you enjoyed it to the extent that you have. Its just extremely cool to hear! Here is to the rest then!

Care to let me have a look at that album? Not to maybe help for theories. I just love FF7R and would absolutely enjoy seeing stuff i might have missed. Thx, if you consider doing so.

@@lares9738 of course! I still have stuff to add to it like the circlet that is an FF8 reference or the Nomura "thinker" pose Shinra and Rufus both do (as does Noctis and Sora) and wall market / garden at night stuff. imgur.com/a/j4EXHRO

@@MultiverseMoo Thank you mate, i love this.

Thank you so much for watching / commenting! You mentioned at the beginning as far as shrugging off. That shrugging off was the entire reason I was possessed to make these videos. It just came across as insulting to some details that were there, just not fully explored. (I can get why people did shrug, the elements can be a bit much. but it just didn't seem like a good enough answer.) just shows you to always keep an open mind about art, and to dig in when your curiosity seems to be taking interest! I just started looking through your album now! It is very relaxing for some reason. lol I will report back on that when I am done looking through it! and thank you for sharing it!

I appreciate that so much! lol they are the ones doing the real work by making this awesome lore. Thank you for your support! and thank you for watching!

I have heard people mention that, and then others mentioning that its not as big of an issue? So at this point I am not even really sure what to believe. Those failed experiments that Hojo is making seem to be hitting the nail to hard on the head for me to be a bit more optimistic about his inclusion. but like you said there could be a problem there. Who knows, a lot of people in the comments were pointing to Roche's inclusion as perhaps being a way of expanding on what genesis would have been. So at this point, were going to have to see? Either way. Thank you so much for watching, and commenting! I am very glad you enjoyed them so far!

This licensing issue is always mentioned, but there is no proof at all. If you search for information, you will only find out, that Gackt worked with SE years later than CC on a project, so that did not really sound they are on bad terms.

that would be a really interesting nod! I have a limited view of the FF series outside of FF7, so those kinds of references would fly over my head! I appreciate you sharing it! Might have to look into that!

the pleaseure is all mine! thank you for watching!

Not sure about the White rose, there is another rose that is mentioned being attached to ruby weapon as well. it would be interesting to look into other flower associations at some poing! - Angeal isn't cetra, it was more about embodying the nature of a cetra (hence the White wing and the nature attachment.) - I recently sat in on a discussion about the subject of cetra, I have heard a lot of compelling conversation that represents both sides. - As far as jenova's cells. I think at the time they had nothing to compare it to, which is why it was wrongfully assumed to be an ancient. I could be wrong about that though. another thing to support that is that Jenova herself seems to have the ability to shape shift, I think that is why she even resembles some of a human in the first place. (there is a lot of things I am still looking into for her, but as of right now thats what I understand) -I love the valkerie implication in the way that Minerva handles. A lot of food for thought on that one. You did fine on the english department. would never have guessed. and finally: gillian...hollander. lol great. Thank you for taking the time to comment and watch. I really appreciate it!

@@Sleepezi Thank you for your answer, that's nice : ) Jenova : Well, the first reason I thought the Blue Lady was not "Jenova shapeshifting" was because as an alien myself, I usually shapeshift in pink suit in order to blend in. Not in blue. Blue makes people wary. Same thing about the wing, purple eyes (ooh, purple), eyes in strange place and the "heart protuberance" (artwork). But its said "The Cetra welcomed her". I can't see Cetras welcoming a vision from hell. The closest creature would be... Shiva, I guess. Or... the Shinra team considered Cetras as a whole as "divine beings capable of incredible powers". Probably why old Shinra funded the expedition to begin with. And so, they didn't gave a second thought about the weirdness of her appearance. Since she looked like Shiva. Hm. And they dubbed her "JENOVA", name closely linked to divine mystery. They saw what they wanted to see, then ; not very scientific method, guys. - A little tidbit about FF10 again : the Pilgrimage. Cetra do travel the Planet. And there is a little girl who believed in old stories and that if she could climb the mount Nibel, she would see her dead mother again : Tifa. And Yuna wanted to break from the cycle, too. Could Minerva have been a Cetra posessing some spiran's knowledge about how to create summons ? So much possibilities ! - Valkyrie : actually, I realized the motif while watching your video, so you get half the credits for it, haha ! thank's again for the content, it was grand : ) hope you will cover the cetra part later. I'm very curious.

You are making this all INCREDIBLE for me because of your continued and MIND BLOWING support! Thank you!