The Concerning Rise in Minecraft Beta's Popularity... 

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i only like beta for its world generation,and a few quirks such as creepers seeming deadlier? aswell as spiders,other mobs are much worse tho,way items look 2d when dropped,old void fog,old giant stars,and regular fog at end of the render distance,old sun textures i do not like that theres no bow drawing animation yet,nor chest opening animation,and the fact that it is a full block,same goes for fences i think alot of these issues can be compensated in both modern aswell as in old minecraft through mods i can bring old world generation through modern beta mod (firgified fabric api in 1.20.1 can makde forge and fabric mods compatible) aswell as nostalgic tweaks mixed with programmer art and golden days resource pack,in resource pack i had to delete quite a few stuff and i had to tweak off quite a few stuff in nostalgic tweaks mod because they both had on default enabled extremely authenthic experience wich breaks the point of playing it in modern minecraft because they brougt old animationless bows and chests without animations that are full blocks,so i had to struggle to figure out how to manualy take those off wanting something to look different due to style change is great,hoever sometimes you gotta draw the line on "its just different" and "its a downgrade"

Alright; here's my 2 cents: Old Minecraft, as an experience, was just... Smaller, back then. It was just you, the world, and the annoying undead. The world was only so deep, and the gameplay loop was simple, concise, united. It was a cohesive, tight experience with infinite creative potential. ... Modern Minecraft, to me, feels like a different game trying to fit in old minecraft's old ass foundations, which just isn't working. The worlds in modern Minecraft is DENSE with feature's, and a world too small to hold them. This isn't even talking about questionable design decisions _cough cough_ the Anvil/Mending/Enchanting/potion brewing _cough cough_

Its great that both Minecraft and Terraria allow you to do this... Then theres Starbound where you need depot downloader to redownload one of the beta versions, then look around the internet hoping somebody has archived some mods.

It didn't use to be like this. The original launcher did not have older versions, and you had to perform some black magic fuckery to get access to older versions.

People just don't like to admit Notch was better at running Minecraft than Microsoft all because of the controversial things he's said. No matter how much people hate him they have to admit that he did a better job than a soulless corporation.

@@gampedump I'm pretty sure you just had to click "Edit profile" and check two check-boxes to see beta/alpha versions? (Unless you are talking about specifically a Microsoft-era launcher)

Yeah I feel like more than anything the gaming culture is what has changed. Now people are way more competitive and trying to optimize everything and ahead and try to not fall behind. Gaming has been more and more pushed to be viewed as a chore or a job than actually having fun playing a game.

Bro wrote a whole essay

Kinda the one thing that pushed me from PVP multi-player is the fact that it loses its fun since it's gonna get filled with sweaty tryhards.

​​@@jammybot2529bro thinks 3 lil paragraphs is an essay

A significant portion of the player base has quite literally optimized the fun out of the game. People get mad at bug fixes because they stop them from using exploits. People will literally cheat and turn around and criticize mojang for progression issues.

you NEED to discover! you MUST load new chunks! updates with a new features are coming faster than you can live to the chunks you just loaded, and most of the new features are not even obtainable without this endless rush with looting and searching. here, take this elytra with a rockets and go, as fast as you can do! go until this world will not collapse under it's own file weight.. this is sad.

These has nothing to do with the problem. Speedrunners are speedrunning every damn game in existence. The problem is Microsoft/Mojang and their stupid developers nothing else. It takes them years to add irrelevant content meanwhile modders make a NEW GAME in just weeks.

The mob votes were ruined before these lunatics touched them. The very idea of them is a hated thing by any sane person.

​@@herossj1 No, the biggest problem is the gaming culture. For example, there are people who think that modders could replace the backbone of Minecraft and its well thought-out content, from Switch to PC. There are people who fall for clickbait youtubers who write titles like "I just programmed this update in 7 days". But when you play these mods, you quickly realize that they are not really thought out. Many people don't understand how much it takes to design good content. Instead, they let themselves to be blinded by wannabe developers from the modding scene.

​@oppa.24 mojang has to go through a lot of red tape too it seems, they have oversight from Microsoft, they have multiple platforms and versions they have to develop for, they have to go through quality assurance and so much more shit. theres a lot more they need to deal with these days compared to beta so it's no wonder updates take so long. Then again they also tend to cut a lot of content for the most absolutely stupid reasons (see the fireflies in the wilds update)

@@mercury5003 The updates don't take long. The fact that it supposedly takes so long is solely due to impatience. Impatience that all the influencer propagandists have put out into the world. There are so many developer studios that no longer exist because of crunch. Hopefully that won't happen with Mojang.

just build a boat

I play on 1.20 but my goal is not to beat the game, its to create a world that I play for years, I am nearly one year in and have not been to the, got netherite, I never understood why those 100 days youtubers beat the game in the first couple of hours

People like beating the game fast, not because of simply beating it, but beaxuse some people prefer late-game technic minecraft. Min-maxing farms, etc....​@@weaponizedknight7316

@@RedlineWasTakenjust never go underwater💀

@@valentai_777 why would you want to go underwater? tf?

I find the same. It's hard for my friends and I to keep a long-term world in the newer versions, because once we're stacked with resources, we get bored. In Beta, you can't become "stacked". There's no mending, so your tools break. There's no trading, so you're forced to grind. There's no dragon, so there's no "end goal". There's no elytra, so you're forced to build railways to travel long distances. I find that my friends and I only ever log on when there are new updates out. Within a week, the server becomes dormant again. I don't dislike anyone who prefers modern Minecraft, but I find the older versions very therapeutic -- we can do more, with less.

precisely.

I dunno what they expected from this point. I'm honestly glad it went from Legos on PC to what it is now

@@issholland Legos on PC with microtransactions?

@@NostalgicOccultist you naughty bedrock player you

nah it's worse

@@vinesthemonkey what's worse about it though? Are there features I'll never use? Yes, however the things I wanted out of Minecraft are now in the game (mostly build height related). And it's to be said if you wait long enough Minecraft will be the game you wanted. Kind of what I'm sad about Minecraft is that because it's perfect for me right now every other update will kind of be downhill if I let it. But that's also part of growing up Though I still wanna know why you think it's worse now

THIS. THIS THIS THIS! In the modern day, they want to appeal to as many people as possible.. so what do they do? They stray away from fantasy monsters and start adding more real life animals… to a game about blocks where you travel across literal dimensions and slay a freaking dragon.💀💀 Realism, in my opinion, hurts the Minecraft experience because it just clashes SO HARD with that original artistic intention.

while i agree notch's minecraft would have gone in a better direction than modern minecraft, a child's finger painting will never be as good as generic, designed by committee 'art' designed to fill space in boomer's homes, even if the finger painting would be infinitely more meaningful.

Well said

@comyuse9103 Personally I wouldn't consider a painting created by a committee to be "art".

@@MrAppleSalad it absolutely isn't, but it is technically superior to a child's finger painting. notch's work is bad, he has gone so far as to apologize for his bad programming, but that can be fixed with time and means more than anything mojang has put out.

This is what I've been thinking. We need more things like the Creeper. In a game about building, why not have an enemy that can break them? Just that alone makes you have to engage with the game more. Most hostile mobs, especially the modern ones, don't really do anything like this and just damage the player directly. It doesn't help that most modern mobs are useless and extremely rare. Survival has become easy unless you play on hardcore because of this. All the normal mobs are a joke and the actually tough ones have busted stats and are hidden away in little forts that you can completely avoid. It's like the game wants to be a causal, relaxing game despite having so many survival elements baked in and doesn't know what to do so it just tosses things in.

Lot to read, but yes.

try terrafirmacraft! I also wanted a better survival experience and this mod delivered it in spades

I've been thinking about survival Minecraft for a long time and I have to say I agree with a lot of your conclusions. For me I think what went wrong isn't so much the Adventure Update itself as a lot of people will say, but the way it was handled. The reason 1.7.3 feels so good is because the game had a singular focused direction of being a good building game with light survival and RPG elements, and since it was also just smaller in scope it was easier for Notch and his team to keep things in line with a set vision. By the end of beta, the game's existing systems had been refined and developed to a point where every element had a clear, fleshed-out purpose and they all fit tightly together like clockwork. It was a complete and mature game at that point. But then that all changed with beta 1.8, which upon the completion of survival suddenly changed the game's direction to also being an open world action-adventure game, adding a slew of new less mature features which in some cases wouldn't be finished for years afterwards, and knocking the game's overall quality back into an alpha state. Certainly, it more than survived thanks to both the strength of the game's existing core survival mechanics and the mostly optional nature of the new adventure content, so it hardly makes since to say that b1.8 killed the game. And I'm not going to pretend the changes were all bad, or even that everything in old Minecraft was perfect - the brewing system is a perfect way to reward exploration IMO while farming continues to be one of the least interesting mechanics of the game. But many of the new features were really half-assed and would continue to be developed in a much more haphazard fashion than their survival predecessors. For instance, emeralds were finally added in 1.3 allowing villager trading, and sprinting wasn't fully ironed out until 1.11. The Adventure Update was hardly a bad idea, as Minecraft has an enormous open-world sandbox to explore and it would be a shame not to put it to good use, but crafting a massive procedurally generated world that's actually interesting is a much broader and more ambitious goal than giving the player a few more considerations than just building materials to worry about. It seems the plan was that since the basic backbone of survival was now in place, they would slowly add more adventure content piecemeal as time went on to keep players interested, but Mojang lacked a clear roadmap and was in for years of internal turmoil. First there was Notch's decreasing involvement with the project, followed by his eventual departure and the resulting fallout, and then of course came the studio's acquisition by Microsoft, all of which somewhat left them a chicken without a head. With all that going on and the pressure not to change anything too drastic that might risk altering the game's identity, Mojang was left floundering for the next four years as they struggled to find a new consistent direction for the game that would keep players satisfied. They did well from 1.13 onwards by revamping a number of older features that had long been neglected, though today with the worst offenders all being fixed I think they're struggling once again to find another new direction. I think the real problem though is that while there's been a steady stream of new features to enhance adventure (along with great deal of feature creep and bloat) the game's basic survival mechanics have grown stale and even dull compared with some of their younger cousins. In fact I think that's precisely what drove the initial demand for a cave update. Caves are the single biggest feature of survival gameplay, yet they'd gone essentially unchanged since infdev and are effectively obsolete now because of iron golem farms and strip mining. Whitelight attempted to answer the question of how Mojang can return to a focus on survival in their updates in his third Minecraft video, "The Perfect Minecraft Update", but really I think a lot of the more substantial changes people want could only have been made years ago in the game's development and that's why we're seeing so many mods now for older Minecraft. That way they can eschew the 13+ years of adventure's baggage entirely, and start fresh from that foundation of 1.7.3 when the game's features had an overall higher consistent quality as survival was essentially complete. In way it's a shame, because for all its problems adventure gameplay has a lot to keep players coming back like you mentioned. But "how do you add to a game with infinite potential without either whittling it away and forcing players into a specific playstyle or just adding random bloat" is now more difficult a question than ever for Mojang to answer, and I think we're going to see a few more rough years like the period from 1.9-1.12 before they really figure that out. They're really in an unenviable position, either they continue to add more adventure icing, which we've had more than enough of and isn't filling, or they revisit survival, and risk completely ruining the game. Given that survival is the game's core, and changes made to it can't be as easily opted out of as new structures for instance, a major screwup there could potentially alienate the game's entire playerbase, and for an example of that we need look no further than phantoms. For the solution though, me personally I think both Mojang and some of the survival purists are looking at it from entirely the wrong perspective, because Minecraft was never a survival game to begin with. When Notch created Minecraft, he didn't set out to create a grindy PvP Lord of the Flies sim, his inspirations were Dwarf Fortress and to a lesser extent Dungeon Keeper, and he wanted to create a similar experience in a first person voxel engine after seeing the concept in Infiniminer. Minecraft as a game is first and foremost one about base-building, and any mechanics added should first answer the question "does this give the player meaningful challenges to overcome with creative building?". Redstone farms are an abomination that have essentially taken a feature originally meant for adventure maps and Infinifactory nerds and turned the entire game into a really bad clone of Infiniminer where everyone just copies the number one most efficient design from a RU-vid tutorial. Adding a real tech tree to Minecraft (which need not break the game's medieval fantasy theme as the history of industrialization stretches back long before steam engines) that provides more engaging alternatives for resource production than mindlessly laying out someone else's redstone contraption is a clear, achievable long-term goal for which they already have a mountain of prior tech mods to take inspiration from. While yes most clash badly with the game's aesthetics, I believe that's still the reason why mods like IndustrialCraft and Mekanism became so popular is because mechanically they're a natural outgrowth of the game's survival, resource management, and most importantly base-building elements. I'd be remiss not to end with at least a mod recommendation though, and I believe I have the perfect mod for you. If you want an example of a tech mod that doesn't clash with the game's aesthetics, look no further than Better Than Wolves. While yes with later versions the mod author went and made it a more typical grind-y survival game, I personally like playing mod version 4.59 for Minecraft 1.4.7 as IMO that was the last version with multiplayer support (which wasn't possible until 4.0) before he started really going off the rails with the sweaty hardcore gamer crap. It doesn't do enough with caves IMO, it's not compatible with other mods, and other than ultra survival realism in the later versions it doesn't have much to offer in the way of farming or animal husbandry, but it's not worse in any way than vanilla 1.4.7, and overall it is one of the best-balanced and most well-thought out mods in Minecraft's history and it is really worth playing for anyone at all interested in what the game's survival mode could be.

@@chelonianegghead274 uhhhhhh, give me like a year to read that, ill get back to you...

Sprinting would be fine if the mobs were balanced around it

Nah I rather not be like a Bungie Stan and not sprint

Shift is CROUCH lol. Playing MC without that is extra-masochistic. Sprint is ctrl or double-tapping the direction button.

the vibe of not being able to sprint

@@piranhalettuce It's a slow-pace kind of vibe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As a cabin telephone user, I will say that I prefer modern smartphones.

I feel like silver age minecraft is the best mainly 1.7.10 but I do enjoy beta from time to time. I don't see to many alpha/infdev players let alone any who enjoy modern minecraft.

​@@corbinallen4562legacy console minecraft is really high up there. Its better than modern bedrock due to insanely low lag, theres obvious care put into every single thing, even the tutorials for each and every block, cool gimmicks that were removed, and it still feels like new minecraft but old at the same time.

@@Y_u_dumyeah I miss it it’s definitely the best version of Minecraft

But you're not a Beta player.?

I thought it was a "nightmare" mechanic that they removed because everyone hated it maybe thats a minecraft folk tale, idk lol

@@idlekrisp Yea I tried to recall my memories on it a bit after someone mentioned the mechanic to me and something just didnt make sense. And then I remembered having boxed myself in and... yea lol

it’s not bugged, the way it works is that in a two block radius from the bed if it’s possible for a monster to get there you will wake up with a “nightmare” so either if you’re in a dark place or in a two block radius of a place opened from a dark place you won’t sleep

@@matheuscabral9618 My brother in christ did you read the part where I said that I was encased in the bloody rock? It was bugged. And it was very bright. Young me spammed torches on almost every block imaginable.

dwarf fortress still gets updated, rct1+2 are updated via the community, theres a ton of games from the late 90's and 2000's that are still updated

I think there should be like a classic survival mode with no hunger or enchantments so we have the option to play it that way

Everyone go sub to rick.

@@TheGeekFactor_ Awww thanks, but I dont think people will be ready for my content, its just too good /s

Wait the ost is completely redone? As in new tracks completely replaced the old ones? I didn't know

@@billross9132 yep it really sucks it definitely doesnt match the same vibe whenever i play i turn off in game music now and listen to spotify

@@DeadlyFortato ok I read it isn't removed just rarer to hear compared to the new music. That sucks imo it should b 50/50 chance

Yup, i hate it too, i always install a resource pack that removes it

Most of the new soundtracks don't feel like you are playing Minecraft (especially the Pigstep disc and most of the new soundtracks that only play in the Overworld), I dislike them and just turn off the in game music and play C418 soundtracks in youtube while playing the game.

now you need to kill an enderdragon in just a 100 days, following a strong pre-made concept of the particular achievements. first wood => iron => diamonds => mob grinder => iron farm => kill dragon => new world, repeat. "you do not have a ultimate 12h-to-build shulker farm in your world by day 50? ha, loser!"

@@BazilBuildBases Just stop considering what those people have to say about you valid.

I value quantity and quality over simplicity, new features are better made and make you excited

Idk, for me, I find it concerning for a game when large groups of people aren't just actively refusing to update their game, but go back to a version from nearly 13 years ago.

I definitely disagree that the textures are dull. I love building with the new textures. Sure, some are dull, but others are so vibrant. Either way, I find these textures to be great.

@@TheGeekFactor_ that five digit amount of people have zero steer on the game one direction or another, that's less concerning and more the natural evolution of any long lived game

​@@TheGeekFactor_theres nothing wrong with that

​@@TheGeekFactor_ So, you find it concerning that people dont think newer=better and prefer older stuff? Preference is concerning?

...post apocalyptic? no, not at all. lonely? sure.

@@comyuse9103 Absolutely. Zombies and skeletons inhabit the world and there is no intelligent life - zombies alone (dressed like the player) imply an apocalypse. There are hints of civilisation, but they are scarce and in ruins (music disks found in dungeons for instance). If you feel like the last person in an empty and natural world (plagued by monsters), with civilisation in ruins... that's post-apocalyptic.

@@TheMinecraftHype the zombies are just generic enemies, and there are no hints of previous civilizations at all. music disks are just gamified rewards to beating enemies. to feel post apocalyptic they'd have to add actual ruins, real signs of civilization that is built into the experience.

@@comyuse9103 Zombies, generic enemy or not, are undead Steve-like creatures. By definition, zombies are undead humans. So clearly life DID exist at one point. Music disks are rewards, sure. But they imply people once existed who could produce music. Whether intended as lore or not, you objectively cannot say these things do not justify a post-apocalyptic feel. And they DID add remnants of civilisation. Strongholds, temples, abandoned mineshafts, ancient cities, etc. So clearly the developers thought ancient civilisations once existing is part of the lore.

I feel like developing the game this way would be awesome for both halves of the mc community (builders and grinders) because the grinders now have something to explore and a new challenge and the builders feel more at will to build and develop the lonely canvas that is minecraft. I can’t word my thoughts exactly but this is 100% what Mojang needs to do!

Literally just started a new survival world back in January and I think a played about 40-50 hours before going to find diamonds and another 50 hours to explore the Nether. It felt very natural to take it slow and play the game at its own pace.

Absolutely agree. Its even better if youre playing online. Couple days ago me and my friends joined a small server. Almost everyone around us already has elytra and diamond tools but we are just enjoying the game, looting ancient cities with iron gear, building stupid things etc. It really feels kinda melancholic...

Agreed, I started a new survival world a few days ago and I still haven't touched the nether or end yet. I don't even have a full set of iron armor or even touched diamonds either.

The newer versions are pretty much a different game entirely. Playing a newer version of minecraft feels like playing a total conversion mod made by someone with no idea what players actuality want. New blocks are neat now and again but we have so many that it's kinda ridiculous. New mobs that offer nothing, a new armor and tool upgrade with no new bosses or ore to use it on. New combat that just sucks and a broken rework to villagers that encourages sweatshops. Meanwhile the enchanting system remains broken.

@@corbinallen4562 I agree, there's too many new blocks, the new mobs trend toward being garbage, and the lack of bosses is disappointing. I disagree completely on the combat "just sucking." Its better, sorry you can't button mash and win now. The villager rework was fine imo. I would say mojang is squandering the franchise, but I fail to see how these changes lead to a worse game. A more fair complaint is that the new additions are just lame or half-assed.

@@corbinallen4562caves and cliffs was great though

@@theolwinkledink village and pillage ruined the difficulty of the game by introducing farmable totems(effectively making hardcore meaningless once you get far enough into the game), naturally spawning beds and hay bales, and other less noteworthy shenanigans i genuinely think it’s the worst update to the game and one of the few that’s an objective downgrade despite all the good it adds to the game i wish mojang could rebalance it somewhat but people would complain if totems were no longer farmable(people are already complaining that raid farms are no longer automatic, imagine what’d happen if totems became actually valuable again)

@@theolwinkledink The new combat is arguably easier than the older versions due to shields just making you invincible to most attacks.

Is that the modpack with the CRT TV shaders? If so, really liked the feeling of that pack because the shaders essentially brought back the old beta fog

@@genericcatgirl Yes, that's the pack i was referring too

its a 15 year old game having been manhandled by a major corporation for well over half of that, what do you expect?

They've been around for like the last 10 years.

Game has received continuous updates for 15 years. It's a given.

​@@Irizathylia15 years*

Oh goodness, and I am one of them. Every time the launcher tries to warn me about installing mods I just pay it on the head and remind it I was modding before it was a twinkle in a developer's eye.

Vanilla dungeons used to spawn like that pretty often in beta and early releases, in the "extreme hills" biome. Unfortunately that biome has been renamed, removed, readded and remodeled many times since then and functionally no longer exists. They used to spawn sunken in deserts too which was pretty cool, but I'm pretty sure that was just a bug.

@@Computerdude323 I remember finding once a dungeon in a mountain. I have been playing the game since Beta 1.7.3. But even then, dungeons in mountains were rare. But I found so many desert dungeons.

Sorry, I tell it like it is wily lol

that will just force you to do nothing in your dirt shelter while waiting

@@weedGato yeah... Ideas sound cool when you think of them, but there's always something you don't consider... I still hope the night actually becomes threatening beyond the 1st playthrough one day

@@gamejitzu have you tried the epic siege mod it makes it so that most mobs can actually break through blocks so you can't just put yourself in a dirt shelter every night

but if you’re in a dark closed room it will still spawn an enemy there, even if no monster is able to pathfind there

@@matheuscabral9618 Nope, be aware that the pathfinding cuts corners literally, it can go diagonally and doesn't check nearby blocks to make sure it's actually physically possible. The room might look closed but if you forget to add blocks to the corners on the outside, the pathfinding considers it an open room.

@@LB_ really? That's interesting, also do you have a source?

@@matheuscabral9618 My source is I was playing the game and viewing community content when these features were being implemented and reverse-engineered by the community. You could probably see if older versions of the Minecraft Wiki pages mention it, but a lot of info related to older versions is difficult to come by. You could also just decompile the game yourself and check the one true source: the source code.

@@matheuscabral9618 Also I forgot to mention, if your wall is 1 block thick and you place the bed directly next to it, that allows enemies to pathfind within 2 blocks of the bed which triggers the teleport.

come on, the cave noises are essential

I don't understand why some people dislike the aquatic update. Also, choosing not to have cave noises is actually crazy

did they change the lighting? that explains a lot of memories i had thinking it was just my imagination it looked better back then

except the old minecraft versions. they'll be there forever

@@vinesthemonkey Forever is a very...very long time...

Id be every concerned if there was a modder out there that is writing mods in javascript. I think its _technically_ possible? There _is_ a transpiler that lets you write java programs in javascript, but i have no idea if it would handle all the custom libraries you need to use when modding correctly. Still, why would anyone willingly subject themselves to writing their mods in javascript?

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You’ve left five comments on this video lol you might as well make a reaction video! I love the comments, though. Thanks for watching

@@TheGeekFactor_ Hey btw I'd like to correct my self, what I perceived as bias is actually just how you directed this video. I'm not used to people containing a single concise sequence of opinions related to a single topic in the video, and then moving on to the next topic in the video and keeping that part contained aswell. It's very, interestingly formatted. I like. 👍