The Conditions For War | The Conquest of Shu Han Let's Talk Lore E01 

Happiness will end and i will cry in fetal position

Jokes aside, i am looking for forward to all the videos

@@SeriousTrivia hooray

I wish we can see the conquest of Wu one day.

@@alanfate09 it will be called The Surrender of Wu and will come in the future

Then the sima clan imploded and half of China came under the rule of steppe tribes

Qin was marching out against six main opponents who did not trust each other and sometimes even fought amongst themselves. Han was marching out against one main opponent that was far away from the west and a litter of smaller opponents who were less than capable and lacked incentive to resist when the going got tough. Shu was marching out against one giant consolidated power that enjoyed the Han's four hundred year of administrative development in the central plains while committing massive amount of resources to keep them in Shu.

When i was a kid playing DW2 and 3 i always liked Shu, but as i got older i began to dislike it more and more and now i like it the least of the 3w,w shu was just a failed state waiting to fall. Now i love Wei and Wu and Shu is a DISTANT 3rd for me

I mean that can be done with a conquest of Wu as well. The general desire is for unification (because of the glory that comes with that). Chinese people care about history and the chance to leave behind a page in history.

TV shows tend to do that when in reality, by 263, Liu Shan was already 57

It's a great question and the short answer is that religion or ideology is viewed much differently in Chinese society compared to how it is viewed in the west. You can be a Taoist believer and follow the principles of Confucianism and even practice a bit of Buddhism all at the same time without any conflicts of faith because these ideologies are not set up like many other world religions. The practice of Taoism also have many sects. So not all Taoist practitioners would be the same. For example, in the same period, you have Zhang Lu and the Five Peck of Rice Taoism sect that was still active. After Zhang Lu's surrender to Cao Cao, he and many of his followers migrated to Ye and spread the Five Peck of Rice sect to the north. By the Jin Dynasty, you have even one of the Eight Princes in Sima Lun being a follower of the Five Peck of Rice. Now here, you have to understand that when you say someone is a follower, it might just mean that they are superstitious and simply believe that following certain taoism rituals will bring them good fortune or cure a sickness. It is not a blind faith. When the rituals work, you bring more incense and more money to the temple to thank the gods and when it doesn't work, you might turn to a different temple or even a Buddhist ritual. Because of this, the Yellow Turban movement was more of a cult following that linked itself to Taoism which extends into many many fields from rituals for weather, for health, for money, for how to governor a country through the idea of balance and not doing, for exorcism, for five phase harmony, for alchemy, for living longer, for how to have sex better, etc. So when the Yellow Turban was put down, the government did not feel like the people were Taoist and therefore were bad, but rather, you have people turning an organized cult into a rebellion. You kind of see how the remaining rebels basically turned themselves into bandits to understand how Taoism was just a mythical banner used by the Zhang brothers to give themselves a sense of divine rather than something that people followed with blind faith.

the difference is much like how Liu Bei defeated Liu Zhang, Gongsun Shu lost through an invasion from the Jing Province and not through a march through the Qinling mountain range.

I mean military campaigns are not 100% events. Just because you think it’s hard doesn’t mean you don’t try it. Even if this campaign had failed, it wouldn’t have been that bad for Wei.

1. I would refer you to our Jiang Wei’s northern expedition let’s talk lore series for the answer. 2. Cao Pi’s first invasion of Wu was a mixed result with all three fronts making decent in roads. The western front did get stalled with a siege at Jiangling but the whole campaign eventually ended only because Cao Ren took heavy losses in the center front. The eastern front pushed quite deep pass Guangling

In my early days of fandom for 3K, I always feel heartbroken by the fall of Shu. But as I went through more details, I can’t help but applaud the Sima and Wei for their capabilities. But ST, do you think Jiang Wei is arrogant? I mean from the novels, he showed a lot of disdain toward Deng Ai and Zhang Hui, and often downplay their ability even if Xiahou Ba warned him many times. Or is this purely fiction to paint some negative traits on Jiang Wei?

Jiang Wei historically did not seem arrogant towards either party. Deng Ai repeatedly beat him out west and the moment Zhong Hui was assigned to Chang'an, Jiang Wei remembered Xiahou Ba's warning years ago and reported it to the Shu Han imperial court asking for reinforcements but at this point, Jiang Wei was rather unpopular at home so his plea was ignored.

@@SeriousTrivia Utterly tragic :'(

They don't hate each other and that is not why they turned on each other!

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The Qin and Han arguably both did it.

Retreating to Sichuan worked for the KMT during the sino japanese war lol

if you can guess from episode titles, then you should know what Jiang Wei's Last Plot + Chaos in Chengdu mean!

​@@SeriousTrivia Jiang Wei truly was a loyalist to the end. Even if it kind of backfired on him.

@@jamesthach2504 Liu Shan is unfairly portrayed in most media. He was a very normal ruler. We will talk about his family

I see.

Shi just mean gentlemen and in the case of style names, the first character is often just a fluff word and for different time period, different fluff word were fashionable. For example you will see a lot 子 Zi being used around this time period too in the case of Zilong or 公 Gong in the case of Gongjin. All three 士 Shi, 子 Zi, 公 Gong are male identifying fluff words. So it does not mean they were both students of Sima Yi. In Deng Ai's case, he was discovered by Sima Yi. Their relationship is like if one of your managers at the company found an intern that he really liked and started to mentor and help that intern. Zhong Hui was born into a very esteemed clan with his father Zhong Yao being a much more respected scholar than Sima Yi, so if anything Zhong Hui would think his clan is even slightly superior to the Sima clan. And given that Zhong Hui was born in 225, it is unlikely that Sima Yi in his more advanced age would ever have much interaction with him.

Lmao, I can understand that. Usually it's Shu Han green, Wei blue, and Wu red.

The map that we're watching about (that of the kingdoms and their provinces [tad shame for Shu tbh]) is why kek

what is a "location picture their skeleton photos"

@@SeriousTrivia mean like guan yu caocao tomb , and their body maybe hahaha

@@cuikemoi7227 oh like known tombs of three kingdoms characters. Most tombs from that period are heavily robbed over the centuries and there are no known complete skeleton. Cao Cao’s tomb ended up only containing two bones fragments and some very simple burial vessels. We don’t know where Guan Yu’s body is actually buried.

@@SeriousTrivia what a shame