The CONFUSING HISTORY Of MAXWELL LORD 

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My issue isn't his being evil but the retcon to say he was always evil. They have an event that changes his mind on Super Heroes and can create an interesting dynamic as he struggles with wanting Heroes gone but he was friends with a lot of them but instead they go for generic, "Rich business man was always evil and manipulating you. Mwahaha!"

Lord's working with Diana now? Must be a real pain in the neck for him.

Casually Comics: Max Lord is great villain for Wonder Woman. He can control minds and show the worst of humanity. Dr. Psycho: Sonnovabitch!

I don’t think I can ever forgive Max Lord for separating the two best friends ever, Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. #JusticeForTedKord

That Didio quote was perfect. He had this ridiculous way of spinning how he wanted things to go at DC and making out it was for the best and wrapping the giant middle finger to fans in a sweet 'it's what we all want' monologue at Comic Cons etc. You chose the best one!

"Superboy Prime punched a wall. Can't he punch it again?" lmao

Honestly I think his character benefit with him being a slightly sleezy business man who had fate in superhero and deem them necessary for humanity.

"Maxwell Lord is a fascinating character." Whoa, whoa whoa. If he was so fascinating, wouldn't Lois have tried to marry him?

Shady good guy sounds so much more appealing than another archetype. Though super interested in him vs Wonder Woman now

If I were to write this character, I would want a good Maxwell Lord who has the "Purple Man"-level persuasion powers. He discovers them fairly early on in his life, and isolates as a result. In adolescence, he uses the last of his childhood innocence to persuade himself to forget his powers. (He's a teen, and he just wants to fit in.) This does not render them ineffective, but just erases his own knowledge that he's doing anything, and this is how he rises to power. He starts making friends and influencing people. He sees himself as a good person, and he does good works--like with the JLI--so for a while he does little to no damage to anyone. But increased pressure to remain on his perch, in concert with old childhood wounds (he was still a lonely child, but now he doesn't know that he was doing it to protect people), and an accidental death cause Lord to do more and more sketchy things. He is finally confronted by his hero friends, and he eventually goes on to kill Ted Cord. Diana snaps his neck, ending the battle. What no one, not even Diana, knows is that Max persuaded her to do it. He knew he needed to be stopped. The end.

Maxwell Lord isn’t the only one to get nosebleeds as we all try to figure out DC continuity.

Max being just another "Meta humans are a danger for humanity and should die" character is boring. Like, I get it, this is how many would react if superheroes existed, but it happens so often.

Max is another example of how Dan Didio, and even Geoff Johns, wrecked DC with their endless retcons/reboots/restarts mixed with grim-dark stories. DC waited way too late to get rid of Didio.

Machinations? Don’t you mean MAXinations? Ba-dum crash! Hahaha...I’m not funny...

Still love the delivery "Lord was dead, right? "So that's it we're done" "Heh, heh, hahahahahah!" 12:51.

When Maxwell Lord isn't being a Justice League villain, he's terrorizing female characters it seems. From Wonder Woman, his daughter, Supergirl in Season 1 (Dude freakin' vanished after that), and in Smallville, he couldn't face Clark the first time, so he went after Tess Mercer, but that was all a plan set up by "The Red Queen", aka, Now US Senator Martha Kent... I loved that damn reveal lol

god I miss heroic Maxwell Lord, JLI was so good, I miss when comics were allowed to have some fun XD

So basically the movie didn't portray him very differently than his 80s comic book characters and if we consider the trend that you have mentioned too, the one where the movie portrayal of a character influences the comics, we might see him again as more sympathetic and human.

What would the comic book industry do without retcons? Of coarse we want that video, I like many others look forward to these.

Wait, someone else remembers Legends AND Invasion!? I thought it was just me and Psycho Pirate...

Any time you say “let me know if you want to see that” the answer is always “yes, yes, 1k times yes”

Post Future State he comes back as an angsty teen: Edge Lord

Never really new about Maxwell Lord before. I will say I do love the idea of his more altruistic manipulator version, trying to establish political and popular favor of the Justice League through any means possible.

I do want a wonder woman maxwell lord video ... I'd be a snap ! ....... I'll leave, thank you

Never let something as trivial as being a cyborg stand in the way of your dreams

Generally, I like characters to have complex motivations and flaws. I also don’t think you should go the “pure evil” route for most villains unless they’re supernatural or completely alien. Villains generally don’t think that they’re villains, despite what the Comics Code Authority wanted you to believe.

Wow old Max sounds so much more layered and interesting. I don't mind the heel turn (also pleasant surprise you know smark lingo) and felt like it would be great having him slide between babyface and heel..

oh what a tangled web we weave when we retcon everything

"I don't know did anybody read, did anybody liked it"

I would really want a Booster Gold movie if I wasn’t worried they’d make him a StarLord clone

Man, this is exactly the type of thing that led me to stop reading comics. Do you like a character? Wait five years; they'll be changed or dead.

I was waiting for this video! I love your character histories! It is hard to find videos with so much data on the long and conplex dc universe history... Most of them are just about modern incarnations or only one single old comic the maker of the video read... Not you, you know your stuff! I love and hate the history of dc retcons!! You should do more of this kind of videos, they are fantastic!

"Superboy-Prime punched a wall. Can't he punch it again?" Best line ever🤣👊🏾👊🏾

I’m a fan of the Giffen, DeMateis good hearted, driven businessman. He can be morally ambiguous as a means to an end, but with good intentions overall. I didn’t recognize that guy in WW84.

Maxwell Lord vs Lex Luther. How has it not happened yet?

Maxwell Lord: I'm the most retconned character. Mon-El: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I just wanted to say that I've learned of you recently and began watching your videos constantly. You are a classy, sassy, entertaining host for our comic book journeys, and your open-mindedness in sharing with the community is awesome! To add to others, please do a video detailing the events. I love Wonder Woman, plus I know your analysis would be a great watch! Also, Max sounds more interesting as an overall good guy with a hint of shade. It makes him sound more unique than "typical evil businessman" in my opinion.

I really like videos like this when you dive into a character and see their evolution through the comic book ages. I love all your vids by the way. You are my favorite channel! I must also say thank you for all the time it took you to do all this research. Well done. I don’t know if anyone ever gives you credit for that, but I will. If your heart desires, I would love to see a vid talking about Wonder Woman in the Legends story. Especially her introduction. Was that when they reintroduced her when Superman past away? Also, I would like to see a vid of your thoughts of Wonder Woman after the neck snap. Thank you Sasha for what you do. I mean that! You should do a vid of your version of Hamlet: To neck snap or not to neck snap. Ha ha ha. Have a wonderful day Sasha!

After watching this I realize who Lord reminded me of Gyrich from the Avengers.

"If someone invites you to go to a cave, don't go! It's a trap!" Amen, Sasha! Amen! 😂🤣😂🤣

@casually comics, Please never change that ending graphic of you smiling and holding the Titans Comic. You look like a cute, tiny, little girl who is excited to have her Titans comic!

you could explain a lot of the changes away by saying the evil version isn't Max, but Darren Hondor! Well it made me laugh. [For those who've not read the current Wonder Woman run, see that] There was also of course 'Formerly known as the Justice league, a 2003 [ i think] mini from Keith Giffen which had max reuniting the old leaguers and them starting again small time. That was an interesting look at fame for those who have had their fifteen mins. All the changes though meant dc decided they couldnt really put the sequel 'I can't believe it's not the justice league' out on it's own, so that ended up in the pages of the anthology series Justice league confidential instead. I did love the end of that: 'and they all lived bwah hah happily ever after.'

I look at Lord as a counter balance to Booster Gold's time as a Sponsorship hound. They approach the meta community's powers much the same with very different outcomes. Max's take is "I can use the meta's as a powerbase" whereas Gold's is "I can make some money off of this". While Booster eventually got a focus on what is place is Max just never seemed to gel beyond the now. This was played very well in the lead up to Lord's killing of Ted Cord, kicking off Booster's rise to a hero.

IMO Max should be that personification of the saying "Power corrupts- and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Lex Luthor needs a rival in business machinations- why not Max?

Fun fact: Kevin Maguire based the look of Maxwell Lord on actor Sam Neil, who had at that time just recently played an adult Damien Thorne in Omen III.

I'm glad you did this video on Max Lord his personal favorite of mine, complex villain. I kinda like fact what they did with him in Wonder Woman 1984. As a fan I have to admit I did not know about the eclipse part of his history this is one of the things I love about this channel is you're always learning something new about characters you love thank you. Also I would love for you to do a post neck snap aftermath video please

Oh my lord his lore is confusing

[Sigh] I miss the non-evil Maxwell Lord from the JLI days. I've gotta say, it's certainly not the first time a Justice League comic has rejected having non-powered, non-costumed characters. Like back in the '60s when they had Snapper Carr betray the team rather than just making the character more palatable.

Maybe have the Donna Troy Wonder Girl act as his foil too; one massive pile of retcon after retcon vs another massive pile of retcon after retcon.

Great video. It's interesting that Max seemingly had a more complex character in 30 + years ago. I like the slimy businessman who actually helps heroes; kinda by doing the dirty political backroom dealings they are seemingly above. One-dimensional mustache twirling villain seems both a dramatic downgrade and redundant in a world that features both Lex Luthor and Vandal Savage.

Thanks for reminding me why I mostly stopped reading superhero comics years ago, even before current trends. They become trashy junk. One of the reasons I liked them originally (in the 80s and 90s) was because they were about realistic people.

okay, um... yeah.. i did not know all that about mr lord. aaand i'm confused as heck LOL. BUT! one thing that did interest me, who is "Liar Liar"? She sounds interesting! Having a father/daughter rivalry both with social and psychic manipulation powers is kinda rad! I wonder if Liar Liar and Punchline could team up? that would be intresting.. to me at least.

I think Giffen and DeMatteis threw some shade at DiDio in JL3001: "And just to be clear, I'm not the psycho Maxwell Lord who put a bullet through Blue Beetle's head. I'm the sweet and lovable Max from the zany glory days of the Justice League Internationa*" Not only would I love to see Sasha cover the Legion of Superheroes, but I'd love to see her cover Justice League 3000 & Justice League 3001!

You know what, it's high time someone thanks YOU for taking some time out of your day to discuss comics with us. I was really hoping you'd do a Maxwell Lord video, so thanks. Skimming through his history on Wikipedia is just a nightmare. 😅

I always appreciate your confusing history videos because comics have a lot of lore and it can be hard to sift through it all. I’m also so fascinated by hero/villain pairs shifting over time like how a villain can be introduced as one thing and then become a specific character’s nemesis later on

Great video! Subscribed!

Hey I would think it would be cool if you made your own reconstruction of superheroes videos or dive into the weird "what if Stan Lee created superman" and anagram comics.

Another Deep Dive. Great!

Hey I know this is an older video, but thanks for having all of these awesome videos for me to watch during my boring work day.

Looking good Sasha! Yeah, I didn't know much about this guy until now

Happy New year an glad to see you still putting out content 🙂

Gonna be fun! Also like the top! Goes well with your hair. ♥️ I was expecting the neck snap at the end of WW84, but I liked what they had.

Just wanted to say started watching your content about two months ago by chance but keep watching your videos weekly! I enjoy your casual and fun takes on (ooooooooohhhhhh CASUALY comics ) stories and characters. Keep up the great work and its nice to hear another take comics other than the usual cynical, general "whatever, seen it & comics are dumb" takes that i usually hear.

I love your sassiness by way of the word pronunciation. Had no idea this guy's character/story was so deep.

Girl at this point you should know that as long as you are into a topic we are into hearing your thoughts on it Talk about the Maxwell shenanigans as long as it's fun for you to talk about it

Ooooooo, you didn't wave bye-bye. You are gonna get it. LOL

Really liked the video. Also you mentioned something DC has been talking about and avoiding for years...the booster gold blue beetle movie

Thanks for this. I lost track of Max after the JLI disbanded until Infinite Crisis, so I completely missed the Max Lord Havok era. I'd heard about it but never knew what it was about. Thanks for filling in the blanks.

Nice video Sasha. And the type of Maxwell Lord I prefer is the kind where you never know what he will do next. I thought the CW depicted him quite well. I was really sorry when he just suddenly disappeared without a trace from that series. I was pretty anxious to see where his character would go.

Love your combination of facts and opinions, makes your videos much more interesting. Your jokes are sometimes corny, but all the more endearing for it. You keep making them, I'll keep watching them ( homage to Stan Lee).

This was such an interesting video and I have no idea why.

Wow! Who knew the history of Max Lord would be such a wild ride. I I still need to catch up on wonder woman 1984. Thanks for everything Sasha.

Ah, the machinations never end in this story. Your videos make my day. Thank you!

Excellent video as always! Max Lord is a huge favorite of mine, and of course, having "met" him when he was brand new, I prefer a more conflicted, but trying to redeem himself, totally human, no-powers version of him. However, he's been the "Purple Man" for so long now that, well, that's just kind of who he is at the point, eh? ....Unless it's really Lord Havok in a temporally cloned body with a history manufactured by Dr. Manhattan but somehow influenced by Havok's use of Lord's powers to it seems "believable" in the new multiverse! Yeah! Anyway: great video! :)

You should cover Pymtron from the recent Avengers comics. God that was some _time_ I'd love to see what your take would be on that.

I love the Purple man shout out, big fan big fan...

It would be kinda interesting if Lord was around after the recent Omniverse thing made all past canons canon, and we got a conflicted Maxwell Lord again. Could be cool having a guy that is 'good' again, but all the retcon events having happened and being guilty of some unforgivable stuff. Maybe even have him rendered powerless by the continuity merge, and then have them come back and be some sort of corrupting influence (having him deny that it was the powers that corrupted him originally but a personality flaw like back with the machine) where the sheer power threatens to make him revert to villainous actions. Then you could either have him conquer that and be a good guy, go evil again, or be an anti-hero playing chess games and being villainous as hell but aimed at bad people. Could have been cool.

Batman IS NEVER getting out of that chair. 🤣🤣🤣

Yes, please do a video on infinite crisis!

Thank you, I didn't know what event to read after Crisis on IE

your sound is so much better than most youtubers, you should give them some tutorials

I feel like people put on rose colored glasses with Lord. I recall that in the relaunched Justice League's first arc Max blows up people to hide his machinations

I only know about this character from the comic you mentioned where his neck was snapped, and I have the graphic novel of the blackest night storyline, and I did see this character on the supergirl show when he was on there, and I think I saw him on the smallville show when that was on too, and I never read the the justice league international comics at the time I had gotten out of comic books then, and I was more interested in girls then, but I did read one of the justice league Europe comic though at the time, and Happy New Year to you and yours Sasha🎉🎊.!

I miss the Maxwell Lord from the JLI days. He was a well rounded character. And I wouldn't have minded AS much if they actively shown him going evil, tho I don't know if I would have liked it but one never knows. The whole idea of him hating superheroes after losing his mother in coast city if I remember was an after the fact explanation, a handwaving away thing that they just threw in to shut people up, tho I could be wrong about that. Tho the whole idea of them just ignoring his being a cyborg was typical then and typical to an extent now, the idea of taking a character and making them be and doing whatever the creators want even if it doesn't make sense to the continuity and characterization of the character and books. At least come up with some half ass reason why he was human again. Something something Thanagarian technology something something cloned body something something mind transfer.... A one or two panel thing or when a couple of lines of dialog or something. You don't have to have like a six issue mini or anything. Line of dialog is fine. Any explanation even half assed as long as it makes some sort of sense.

Loved the video! As for the history, count me out after the Blue Beetle head shot. Not my kind of HERO comic books. However, I am a fan of Potts/Dixon/Ennis Punisher, where such things are to be expected.

Donna Troy's confusing history sounds like it could be fun to watch.

I had never read any of the comics he was in, and somehow thought of him as connected to Blue Beetle somehow, so when he turned up in the recent WW movie, I had no frame of reference about him at all, but now I see where the movie character came from. Thanks!

There's also his appearances in the _Formerly Known As The Justice League_ minis, although I read them when they came out (2003 & 2005) and my memory's a bit shady, so don't know if you included them in this summary, IIRC _Infinite Crisis,_ which took place very shortly after the second mini pretty much erased their content or made them moot.

I want the moment. I want the moment that follows to be a video! (Secretly patiently eagerly awaiting).

Future scene at a hospital. Doctor: Maxwell Lord has passed away. Batman: What did he die of? Doctor: Complications.

Who could be such a cool character if fleshed out correctly. I liked that he became the wish maker in Wonder Woman 1984. They could’ve gone places with that concept and he could’ve grown to be a formidable recurring enemy.

Yes! Please do Infinite Crisis!

While I loved seeing the mandalorian as maxwell lord I loved him as a shady good guy But honestly I’m not the biggest fan of ww84

I miss heroic Max, honestly, but I'm really glad that the WW84 movie managed to make him not a bad person. He wanted to make things good for his son but then got caught up in the power thanks to the rock taking something in exchange for your wish. Then in the end he redeems himself, no neck snapping required. I wish we could get a heroic Max again but I know that's probably never going to happen. Feels like it's hard to take a villain and turn them back into a hero, especially if they've been bad for so long.

Thanks for this one, found him rather confusing in "WW 1984" if not downright annoying.

My favorite Batman moment is directly linked to Maxwell Lord. It happened when Power Girl started suspecting he was not what he seemed to be, and somehow got not one, but two Batmans to examine the corpse of the Blue Beetle you mentioned he killed. That moment when Bruce Wayne tells Dick Grayson (SPOILER ALERT) "You are obviously under mind control" (or at least that's what I remember he said) is my favorite Batman moment. I use it to win arguments ;)

More colourful than his history and the one bright spot in all this....his argyle jacket(?) ...at 7:24. A bold fashion choice, I'm quite intrigued by the care and effort that went into its creation.

I just reread Countdown to Infinite Crisis for my blog and I forgot that's where all my love for Blue & Gold comes from

That Max Lord story during Brightest Day storyline is my absolute favorite.