I think the main schools that the Big Ten is looking at are Miami and North Carolina for the most part. ESPN is not letting the opportunity to televise games like Clemson vs Bama,, FSU vs Tennessee, Clemson vs Texas, FSU vs Oklahoma, Clemson vs Florida, FSU vs Auburn slip away. As an LSU fan I wouldn't mind having FSU and Clemson in the SEC. Great video man keep it up.
Both the B1G and SEC will go to 20. NC will not be a Big XII school as they are wanted by both leagues. You are alone on a big hill. NC has a better chance of staying in the ACC than joining us in the XII
@@knumbskullnews3460 Like the CHEESE. Standing alone. Stinky Cheese. How DRUNK do you get when you make all of these videos? Is it Bath Salts? What is it rotting your peabrain?
@@tylernelson3343 Be careful what you wish for, lol. When the downgraded ACC teams get that look, the Big12 will be in the same boat. There will be no room left for a Power 3, only 2 conferences will remain at the highest level.
UNC is supporting FSU & Clemson behind scenes. UNC voted against suing FSU & Clemson. The decades long SEC boycott has been lifted for scheduling home & home series in football with Florida State University. The SEC & the B1G Commissioner’s met awhile back & played the you get/I get game. FOX has been shouting & the B1G is certainly on board: We want Florida State 1st & the talk around Notre Dame coming together has some truth to it. Those two would be one hell of a package! I think that will not happen right away with ND. From the decades of being in the ACC. I would tell the SEC the truth, NC State & Virginia Tech actually care about football, picking them over Virginia & UNC gets them into those two state with a SEC Culture. The B1G only has 2 selections, FSU + UNC or Miami. The SEC would allow FSU as a sacrifice to get the ball rolling. I don’t know who they want, but they could take 4 teams.
I agree, NC State and VTech are able to sell out their 60,000 plus stadiums and their fans also travel very well. In the future the money will be made by subscriptions. The SEC does not want teams that can barely attract 40,000 fans to a game, and with either small or apathetic alumni; specifically regarding football. FSU, Clemson, NC State, and VTech solidifies the Southeastern United States for the SEC, which is what they really want.
Timothy aka Tarheel...once again trying to shed NC in a good light when they are the ones who ruined the ACC with their Tobacco Road mismanagement, Swafford corruption and nepotism....lousy tv ratings, apathetic football fans and bad teams...that is what NC offers to the Big2. You guys are so valuable why not stay and rebuild the ACC?
@@cdray-qy7wp Typical FSU delusion. I am not Tim. As a reminder, FSU pushed for all of those failed expansions with former BIGEAST schools. If FSU is so great, why the CFP snub?
I can’t believe that two years ago the Big12 was dead in the water and now is about to possibly be in such a power position. Damn this world is a trip. Thanks for the video brother
@@tarheel7406 bro lashing out at me isn’t going to fix your conference. In context when your top football programs leave the ACC will be in way worse shape than the Big12. No offense just facts.
@@dnuts4104 Bro.... a) I didn't lash out. BIG12 defenders have no self-awareness of where it stands. b) The BIG12 has ALREADY lost its top 6 (net). c) The BIG12 is the worst in athletics, academics, value and prestige. Even if the ACC depletes down to the BIG12's Tier 2 level in football (and historical basketbal)l, it would still be better on other factors. Just facts and yet another example of no self-awareness.
@@tarheel7406 this only about football and money and if you think otherwise than your not paying attention. Nobody gives a shit about academic prestige when they are watching football. Get off your soapbox and quit drinking the haterade.
I think unc to sec makes the most sense. It’s a state without a power 2 conference, and they bring some good rivalries into the mix in football and basketball
@@knumbskullnews3460 If only 4 teams or fewer leave the ACC, I would consider that light depletion. If only FSU, Clemson, North Carolina, and Miami leave, the ACC can survive much like how the Big 12 survived after Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas A&M, and Missouri left.
@@Patrick-sg7cmFSU and Clemson is everything to the ACC they don't have another great football team besides Notre Dame maybe Miami but they haven't been that good lately.
The general direction of this video is right on - everyone has a bit of leverage and everyone has give to get - quibble - I like Tulane, USF, UCONN and Memphis to ACC
If the Big 12 took the six teams you said at first they could always add pitt and Notre Dame also. Notre Dame would have the same deal that they have with the ACC with a big 12. But if the Big 12 added UNC and Duke they should also find a way to add UConn and try to get a basketball TV deal separate from football. All three of these football teams aren't very good but UConn used to have a decent football team years ago they actually beat South Carolina in a bowl game.
Big 12 is not taking 6 teams. That would put them over 20 teams, which will dilute their revenue for every team in their league. At best, they will take 4 teams.
First thing the ACC wants to do is get its basketball back so they need to go get UConn if available and Gonzaga for basketball only. Then they need to make sure to keep Notre Dame which I think they could because of Stanford. Then add Washington State and Oregon State out west with Gonzaga. Then grab Memphis Southern Florida and Marshall and possibly rice.
@@knumbskullnews3460 Nothing you say "makes sense". Need I remind you AGAIN of the COMPOSITION CLAUSE in the ACC Contract? It says the ACC TV Contract CANNOT be DECREASED in PAYOUT if the ACC has at least 14 All Sports Schools as Members, AND it says it can be ANY 14 SCHOOLS. ANYBODY. That is what it says. AND the ACC has a Pro Rata for as many teams as it wants to ADD to the Conference. So they would ADD BACK enough teams to at least get to 14. Only a FOOL (YOU) would predict a 10 Team ACC. I guess I should also remind you that IF the ACC has 14 teams the per team PAYOUT CANNOT BE DECREASED. So those 6 schools to the Big 12 WILL NOT agree to take what will be AT LEAST a $20 Million PAY CUT. Guess what that ALSO means. 8 + 6 = 14.
ACC has MUCH bigger plans and it WILL NOT need any G5s to make their plan work. Although UConn could squeeze in IF the timing goes WRONG or RIGHT depending on the perspective.
Thevrumor mill was that the B1G wanted FSU and Clemson and that the SEC wanted UNC and UVA for the medua footprint and because they're flagship universities. Then various SEC entities began saying sone nice things about FSU. It looks like this is nowhere close to being settled.
@@tazbo it doesn't matter if Pitt's in the Big 12 or not we're still going to play them every year. Unfortunately for pitt they're going to get embarrassed again this year in Pittsburgh on the Steelers football field. 🤣😂
@@davidframe1613 Pitt has 9 national titles (old as they may be). WVU has 0. Pitt only had 5 wins in 2007. One of them was beating WVU and keeping them out of the NCG.
I love it! Carolina will need incentives from Brett. How far can our incentives go. Take a shot at Miami & Clemson. Smaller incentives required for non-football Gonzaga, Marquette & UConn! Memphis, USF & SDSU could go to Big 12 or ACC.
If we don't get any leftovers from the ACC I'd rather leave the conference as is. Basketball schools and more G5 schools are not going to help the conference. We are stable and in a good spot, expansion only makes sense if we get more P4 schools that can add value, not dilute it.
@@Mike-aka747 In contest, the BIG12 is already dead. Tier 2 football will be fungible. How can the BIG12 be the top non-P2 in a world where that matters?
VA adds academic prestige to the big 12 if they are forced to join. They make more sense in the B1G than the big 12, but hey in this scenario beggars can’t be choosers.
If UNC goes to the SEC then my Mountaineers should go to the NFL would basically be the same because neither team will probably ever get a win again.😂🤣
people said the same thing about Missouri, yet they built their program up. With SEC $$$$$, if UNC chose to build up it's football program, they probably could become very good.
@@jamiethornton6101 there is a huge difference between Georgia and UNC. If UNC was to go into the SEC in do well that would expose the SEC for being weak. UNC does not have a good track record at football.
UNC and NCS will end up in different conferences. They will continue to play each other every year though in football. That's the best they can hope for.
That is EXACTLY what has just been negotiated through the Board of Governors in North Carolina. They have put it into LAW that they will PLAY each other and other Carolina Based teams (which will help them deal with National Scheduling to play IN STATE for Out of Conference games). Dumbskull would factor that into his Narrative if he wanted to look smart. But he is trying to look like a GENIUS instead and it makes him look DUMB .
I think while B1G is interested in UNC & UVA, I think they make a deal with B1G, where A&M goes to B1G, and add Florida State & Clemson to B1G with the 4th spot reserved for Notre Dame, while UNC & UVA go to SEC. Not thinking SEC is interested in Miami, I think Miami goes to BigXII, with Va Tech, NC State, & Louisville. If Notre Dame wants to do Olympic Sports only, they leave ACC when this all happens, joins BigXII in Olympic sports only, then BigXII offers Gonzaga Basketball only, to balance the Notre Dame addition.
@@chrisphillips1974 no way the SEC is going to give Texas A&m up and end up with UNC. University of North Carolina is a basketball school Texas A&m is a football school SEC is a football conference the top dog.
If those 6 teams, UNC, UVA, NCSU, VT lvile and Duke, don't go P2, they can be the basis for a rebuilt ACC that is much better option for them than the Big 12.
@@artpowers812 Big 12 already has a TV contract. ACC will have problems getting a contract the size of the Big 12 in a rebuild without FSU and Clemson. There could actually be no takers just like the pac-12
@@knumbskullnews3460 I disagree with your premise they will make substantially less and especially when you consider the lack of interest most B12 teams would bring on the east coast.
@@artpowers812The Big 12 is getting a new media deal in 2025-2026 for an estimated 50m per school. A rebuilt ACC without Clemson and FSU isn't going to get a deal anywhere close to 50m per school.
I guess the fatal flaw in your hypothesis is that if FSU and Clemson leave then ESPN would or could cut the money. There is no provision to allow ESPN to cut the per school payout, certainly ESPN wouldn't be obligated to pay the FSU/Clemson portions but that wouldn't be a decrease to the other teams. Perhaps ESPN could void the deal all together, but that wouldn't make sense either since the ACC is getting well below the current market value anyway, but should they do that then the MEGA 2 would be forced to make their final moves. AS you mentioned the buyout for FSU and Clemson would be a nice chunk to spread out to perhaps placate UNC and keep the ACC alive until the MEGA 2 are ready to make their final power grab. When the MEGA 2 make their final play then the leftovers of the BIG 12 and ACC will be an afterthought. There will be only 2 conferences in the college big leagues.
@@knumbskullnews3460 The 2025 ESPN look-in clause requires the ACC to agree to any changes. The loss of even UNC FSU and Clemson would not trigger the composition clause in which ESPN could decrease the payout per team. That was the purpose of adding three new teams and why the three most likely teams to leave voted against it. The worst the ACC can do is keep the status quo payout until 2036, or ESPN can pull the plug all together. ESPN has a sweet deal now getting the ACC on the cheap compared to its value, so there is no way ESPN opts out. Infact I wouldn't be so sure that ESPN doesn't decide to offer more money just to stabilize their product.
@@MikeSharpe973 Only the teams in the conference are stuck until 2036 without a buyout. ESPN has the option to terminate the media deal in 2027, it is one of the clauses in the media deal. When teams leave they will terminate the deal and renegotiate. They are not going to keep the same media deal when all their heavy hitters leave the conference.
