The Corporate Treatment of LGBT Representation in Animation 

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@@theconductoresplin8092 its a card you use in a standard game of Durak /s

Thanks for make this video

Did I tell you about what happened in Florida after Disney opposed the "Don't say gay" bill.

@@Edmeister Oh ok

Agreed

If it people weren't this excepting of LGBTQ+ today companies would still be having the same mindset that they had in the 50s. It genuinely sucks how it all boils down to the money :(

*cough june 1st cough*

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Yeah like when there’s a background gay kiss Disney is like “OMG we’re so progressive even though we’re gonna ban this in china uwu!”

The owl house

lightyear

wish i lived in the countries where lgbtq was banned, theres no point of it in shows

That's basically it so is why I don't blame Disney because is difficult to make profit worldwide to fit everyone culture -- US-Americans needs to know usa ain't the world.

@@aintnoway5005 "Wish I lived in a place where straight representation was banned, there's no point of it in shows" see how stupid you sound?

It's funny because that's not the reason

based disney

@@justaturky2890 stevan universe was on cn and ran for 6 seasons and a movie

@@makinyoumad9498 no actually they said it wasn’t their brand

@@donxx1206 yeah that show lasted longer than the owl house 😭

Gladly here in latam Ruby had a voice actress

​@@luisnavarro1614Cool

It was the case in russian dub (I'm in Ukraine, so the CN channel here is russian-speaking)

That’s amazing

Those countries are a w

"lgbt has become a marketing strategy" you use that word... i dont think you know what it means

@@idkidc2573 why do you say that

@@idkidc2573 it kind of literally is, what companies do during pride month isn’t them actually being helpful or supportive, they’re trying to get more money

we have the spending money!

It’s less marketing and more morality.

thank you.

I care about Star vs The Forces of Evil.

Amphibia would've met the same fate if Season 3 wasn't almost completed at the time

@@clashman7564 I feel bad for you

@@clashman7564 FUCK THAT SEASON FINALE I STILL HAVENT RECOVERED

That is the worst bait-and-switch LGBT coverage ever done by Disney since Beauty and The Beast live action remake

There's an LGBT list?

@@endamcnabola Yes, during Pride Month (or as in my country as Pancasila Day)

Ok, yeah no. I can kinda understand why Gravity Falls is there, but that's just fucking retarded. "HeY, gUyS, tHiS mOvIe HaS lGtBq ChArAcTeRs!" "Sweet, who are they?" "This one female cop that shows up for 3 minutes who has one line mentioning her girlfriend's daughter." *"What the fu-"*

@KnightLite I don't know the exact one but it was something about the character mention "her girlfriend and her kid" and that was it she played no part to the story and was never seen after that

For example She-ra

If homosexual relationships and more can't be In shows, then no relationships are allowed at all

Pucca I couldn't even laugh at.

Edit: because it will make the kids have question

@@Sapphire_7 you'd be surprised how easy it'd be to tell a kid that some boys like girls, and others like boys

Wait till this guy here's about Lightyear

@@jamesthegoo7600 what

@@jamesthegoo7600 hears*

@@jamesthegoo7600 there are also other reasons for the movie failing

@@jamesthegoo7600 1 movie vs the douzens of shows that have gotten extremely popular cuz of lgbt rep

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Then are you mad at Lightyear?

As someone who's LGBT I agree I don't want to be pandered to my sexuality isn't who I am it's a small aspect of who I am

You see the issue is that they shoehorn agendas rather than let the damn thing exist without it being as flashy as advertisements. Because not everyone is interested in advertisements and they have the choice to not be interested in advertisements.

@@silashurd3597 Lightyear was a mess of a movie. It's not a mess for having lesbians in it; It's a mess because it's an awful movie

Expect more LGBT-Hate. The Daily-Wire, a known Hategroup, is Expanding. They are literally growing, not shrinking. Its that simple.

Voltron's situation was shit, especially when they could've written a Klance ship so much better than Allurance and get their LGBTQ+ rep in, AND satsfy the fans

​@@randomcake1435 didn't something like this also happen to Korrasami hence why people thought their relationship was so sudden even though they wrote letters only to each other during those three years Korra and Asami were separated from each other when Korra was recovering from the poisoning

Exactly, Dana Terrace (the creator of the owl house) said how she and her crew had to fight tooth and nail to get lgbt rep into the show only for it to get canceled 2 years into its run and before the 2nd season even finished airing.

True: a lot of the time, creators are only allowed to outright say their characters are lgbt+ at the end of the show because that’s the only time the studio can’t cancel the show over it, as it’s already ending. So many “last minute gay” characters are likely characters who have been planned to be such for a while, but not allowed to actually show it.

That's because they support wokeness, not things happening naturally if the creator can find a way to not just create it but also make it woke (in a corporate sense) they will definitely have a better chance with the studio then if they just write it naturally. Despite what they believe on the inside, they still have an agenda to push publicly so if the writer and Disney can shake hands on the agenda to push, they would most likely have a good chance of getting it in there.

@@nathanielwilliams6042 You have just seen a video that explains that representation is fought for by creatives and is not pushed by the company.

@@nathanielwilliams6042 what's so "woke" about the romanticization(?) of toxic relationships and commodification of stereotypes that only exist to further marginalize the communities these pieces of media claim they want to represent & even empower? tl;dr what the hell does "woke" mean anyway?

Because those are the sorts of relationships Twitter/Tumblr and most online fandoms glorify, therefore it's what sells best for companies.

@@wakkaseta8351 No, those are the only sorts of relationships Twitter/Tumblr have.

You are the kind of ally we need. Thank you

Sucks really, like I'd for my community to be in the show without being seen as a marketing strategy for a month than get censored a few weeks later

@@ogcolumbinakinnie6556 Yes, the ally we need more of

Im the same way

@@payt00n same

I used to think the "Disney Brand" was just not wanting shows that were too dark for kids which I found hypocritical because of Gravity Falls and all the villain deaths from past Disney movies.

Tadashi dying in Big Hero 6 broke me but yet Amity and Luz kissing and becoming a couple was a big no no 😂☠️

I mean the falling to their death one isn’t that violent since more often than not we never see them go splat and become a skin,flesh, and bone pancake upon impact.

@@HogBurger If falling to your death is the least gruesome death type in all of their cartoons, then that should tell you something

@@Nipotazzi yeah I remember full well, you could see him fall straight into lava.

No

Okay, let's be a little more clear. Getting slapped or stabbed are both, generally, negative outcomes. I'd rather have a full course meal if I'm starving, but I'm not going to say no to a slice of toast. Nobody is getting complacent. People in the industry are fighting harder than ever to get better representation in cartoons and media. With each bit of representation, it gets better on the next run. There's not really any holding Disney to a higher standard. It's a capitalist company, it's always going to fluctuate. Remember how we used to have a lot of movies in the 90's about random black families, sometimes even discussing racism? Yeah, post-9/11 Disney had almost no black characters except side characters or one lead amongst mostly white ones. Because Disney wanted to appeal to a "neutral" American demographic. We had a few things like That's So Raven and The Proud Family, but those could get booted to ABC Family in a minute if they got "too ethnic". Anyway, point is, let's stop relying on companies. Let's support the creators who are often risking their jobs and their passion projects to get this representation out there. There's plenty more representation out there that could use some uplifting, especially when it's not tied to a company that doesn't need our dollar.

You're clearly living under a rock, because LGBTQ+ characters are going right back to being ridiculous stereotypes, and it's people like you who think it's still this grand struggle for survival if you don't have them shoved into everything that regressed things. The flaming queen caricature is back in the form of "YaSs QuEeN sLaY" characters.

@@muntu1221 Spot on

There is a LOT of room for improvement but like I said in my own comment, I come from a time when the lesbians in Sailor Moon had to be dubbed as "cousins" so the idea that there is even this much is actually still a big deal from my perspective.

I mean you only have to look at Lightyear to understand why. Cartoon Network and Disney are businesses, making money is a crucial part of their day to day. When they showed Lightyear which only had a couple of minutes worth of gay kissing in it it was banned in 14 countries whose combined population likely equates to almost 10 times that of the US population and as a result of that it flopped hard. People seeking LGBT rep generally aren't as big as people make them out to be and if the story isn't that good anyway then the company will have effectively wasted time, money and resources on something that ultimately fails.

Rebecca Sugar: It was for goofs, for laughs. Why are you not laughing? It is lesbian rocks getting married, isn't that a silly funny joke?

@@thefanwithoutaface8105 then they shouldn't be fucking hypocritical to begin with

@@JESSEM19987 ?

@@Innerpandora it is called penguinz0 and playing on to the comment

@@birelestirmenindusunceleri4347 aynı muameleyi hetero ilişkilere de uygulamadıkları sürece mantıklı bir açıklaması yok. çocuklar her zaman televizyonda bir kadın ve bir erkeğin ilişki yaşadığını, öpüştüğünü, evlenip çocuk yaptığını görüyor. ister inan ister inanma çocuklar karşı cinslerinden hoşlandıkları kadar kendi cinslerinden de hoşlanabilirler. gey, biseksüel, trans çocuklar (aynı şekilde ebeveynleri eşcinsel olan çocuklar) var ve eğer bu çocukların hetero ilişkilere maruz kalması hayal güçlerini kötü etkilemiyorsa hetero bir çocuğun da gey iki insan görmesi onun hayal gücünü kötü filan etkilemez. video da dediği gibi bu ilişkileri çizgi filmlerde göstermemiz lazım. bunlar normal şeyler.

I loved SU as a kid too. I never felt like it was pushing an agenda. As a matter of fact, I always thought that Ruby was a boy lmao. But it didn’t matter, because the gems literally have no gender

@@katlyndobransky2419 Ruby actually was a boy in all countries that had laws against lgbt! But that got shattered when "he" wore a dress to the wedding..

@@birelestirmenindusunceleri4347 katılıyorum, LGBTQ çocuklara gösterilmesine karşıyım kesinlike ama bence normal fillm veya dhaa ciddi büyük yaş animasyon filmlerde olması o kadar k9tü değil

Yup, I love Steven Universe too. Thankfully it wasn't banned in my country, mainly because there's not a lot censoring in kids' series and most of the media is focused on our cringey telenovelas

@bruh moment uh what???

No wonder it ended kinda weird compared to the rest of the shows pacing

Pretty much. Sugar realized Cartoon Network will torch any queer scenes, so she purposefully had the diamonds return during the wedding. "Oh, you're gonna cut the wedding episode? Well then you're also gonna have to cut the diamonds return, the biggest moment in the show! Ha, checkmate. Show the wedding or ALL of your fans will suffer." She also had Sapphire wear a suit and Ruby wear a dress because in some languages Ruby was called "he". Because space crystals NEED TO BE HETEROSEXUAL. "You can dub the show to erase lesbians, but you can't edit out an entire design! Ha." Cartoon network saw she wasn't going on her knees so they forced a rushed ending. The rushed ending to Steven Universe is Cartoon Network's fault. But it was still popular enough to get a movie and a sequel series. They could have just let her finish the show but nooooo.....

@bruh moment Pretty much. Sugar realized Cartoon Network will torch any queer scenes, so she purposefully had the diamonds return during the wedding. "Oh, you're gonna cut the wedding episode? Well then you're also gonna have to cut the diamonds return, the biggest moment in the show! Ha, checkmate. Show the wedding or ALL of your fans will suffer." She also had Sapphire wear a suit and Ruby wear a dress because in some languages Ruby was called "he". Because space crystals NEED TO BE HETEROSEXUAL. "You can dub the show to erase lesbians, but you can't edit out an entire design! Ha." Cartoon network saw she wasn't going on her knees so they forced a rushed ending. The rushed ending to Steven Universe is Cartoon Network's fault. But it was still popular enough to get a movie and a sequel series. They could have just let her finish the show but nooooo.....

*disney moment*

Agreed, the possibility of what they could've done with a full 3rd season or even a 4th keeps me up at night.

Well, even with all the flaws, we do have better rep today than we had years ago, so let's hope things keep improving.

@@AmbarGriss That's the spirit, think hopeful, not pessimistic. Some things improve with time, and I think (and hope) this is one of them

@@AmbarGriss I hope so, though it seems it gonna be a LONG, HARD road.

Maybe the next step could be male gay couples not getting the parent to parent treatment lmao

@@goodboi1725 That would be nice

"Bye, [homophobic slur]" - every company on July first

Pride month is over. Does this mean we can have wrath month now?

More like "Death is coming closer to you, going at the speed of 88,954 miles a second".

@@judeblack4360 lust month 😏

LMAO

Painfuly accurate

Correction; Two opposing sexes passionately kissing: aight cool Two of the same sex kiss located so far in the background it's like playing Where's Waldo: That's a fucking crime

@@mpc7540 reminds me when the republicans were screaming on twitter over that 1 millisecond lesbian kiss in lightyear 💀

@@cyberkkult I mean it was stupid and unnecessary Imo

@@katlyndobransky2419 yeah but they wouldn’t be saying anything if it was a man and a woman kissing, which is why it’s hella stupid lol. they’re just complaining over nothin

Sounds like your mom really doesn’t understand how media works (no offense)

@@WDB2005 none taken I agree

My mom wouldn't let me watch the show "Sanjay and Craig" because they said the word "stupid". I'm honestly glad she wouldn't let me watch that show, it wasn't that good anyways.

@@saulgoodman6457 Does your mom seriously think stupid is a really bad word or something?

@@saulgoodman6457 bruh that’s crazy but yeah would have been a waste of time

Amphibia and Owl House reference

@@WDB2005 on spot lmao

They pulled "True Colors" from air for a week and made them put a content warning and also something at the end of the episode showing that they were okay. I get your point but they very much did try to censor that.

@@intergalactic-oboist i kinda meant like marcy getting stabed and Disney allowing that

@@AgentNero9 marcy getting stabbed and sasha getting slashed in the back is allowed but not this 💀

You're right and you should say it

@CrazyNendo Well to be fair, I won't want to trust NBC in the 1st place since they were the first of the 3 big networks to discontinue airing Saturday Morning cartoons.

Hooty looks so goofy in your pfp 😭

Even in every Islamic country

Second one is worse. Glad Disney came to their senses and deleted that stupid shit.

@@azizshamsi6044I live in one of those countries, so proud

​@@LeaderOfSkibidiToiletsHow tf are 2 people loving eachother worse than attempted murder?

Well, my work here is done. What do you mean you’re work is done, you didnt do anything. Hehehe… Didn’t I?

@James Crombie Many things; an old Jimmy Neutron episode immediately comes to mind.

@James Crombie Also prominently, sailor moon abridged.

Idk man ,what happened to SU is CN's fault

Nah, they both got overshadowed by TTG

@@Trist233 TTG honestly isn't spammed as much as it once was. They still play it a lot, but as of late I've also been seeing Craig of the Creek and We Bare Bears a lot too. Hopefully I don't jinx this, but stuff like "TTG, all week long, nonstop" seems to be in the past now.

I do belive they were supposed to or at least very likely to get a cross-over as there is references to each other as they exist in the same earth

@@Commenter839 Meanwhile, CN Turkey airs 24h TTG Marathon today

Right!? I've been watching shows from my childhood and Lumitys relationship takes the cake for the most natural. I did know that they kissed and became a couple before watching the show. But I still loved seeing the progression

Honestly a huge fan they didn't do like others and hold the relationship off till the end with all the unnecessary tension..really refreshing to see the relationship blossom and bloom throughout the series. Instead of a "will they break up?!" at every difficult moment in their relationship they talk it out like a healthy relationship SHOULD and they in turn grow closer and better themselves.

It’s one of the most healthy animated relationships I’ve ever seen, both LGBTQ+ and in general, and Disney fucking cancels it.

Exactly, even as a little kid the whole "will they, won't they" deal in cartoons pissed me off. I can understand wanting to develop a relationship and not rush right into it but come on! Danny Phantom was the worst offender of all.

Shouldn't really be lgbt propaganda in kids shows honestly

Exactly. I wasn't a fan of his original Owl House video, but he's grown a lot, and I'm starting to like his videos.

​@@saulgoodman6457 agreed, the fact that this show is so good that it can give someone irl character development is truly awe-inspiring.

It’s Hunter or Gus ?

@@daniapfel2825 I think they’re referring to Cartoonshi himself, as his original Owl House video is something he (currently, not at the time) deems mildly offensive as you can see in the pinned comment of that video.

Wasn't there a finale? (I don't know, I don't watch)

@@epRivera there was. It’s posted on their main channel. But Disney hates the gays so much that they canceled the show with plenty of time to wrap up it’s story and made it more accessible to wider audience’s to make sure that it would never be associated with the Disney brand. Just like Cartoon Network when they canceled Steven universe and gave them a whole epilogue season and movie. These companies just can’t stand these gay having shows.

​@@epRiveraYes. And it was GREAT! But still, most would've enjoyed a whole 3rd season, me included. The finale was the ending it deserved but when it comes to the story, it happens a bit too fast.

Like it was great but I don't support lgbtq

​@@Yowaimo110gamerWtf does that mean

too many lesbian rocks, not enough Gay male rocks. 4/10 wouldn't recommend.

@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 mlm get more rep than any other group in the community this has to be a joke

Things like that makes me wonder what the show would have been if they scrapped the wedding and had more episodes

Even still they could have attempted to replicate with what little time they had instead of skipping from Season 5 to Season 7. Hella missed opportunity. You should watch a certain video by myself (it has scarf man in it)

@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 TRUE

This is why I’m baffled by people who claim that the media is pushing an LBGT agenda onto people. There’s no agenda here, they’re just saying they care about LGBT people to get more revenue.

They say it in Kipo and the age of wonderbeasts!! It's on minute 8:21 The protagonist girl tells her friend that she might have a crush on him and he goes like "oh, I mean you're awesome and I really like you, but I'm gay :)" and then later on the show he gets a boyfriend and they kiss it's really wholesome

Dead End: Paranormal Park's main character straight up says he's trans in the second episode. It's a relatively new Netflix cartoon (although the original pilot's pretty old). It's interesting that Netflix doesn't seem to have an issue with labels while tv networks still do

@@onaippiano3491 My best guess is because more karens and people of similar views watch tv networks (and by watch I mean use as a babysitter) than netflix, so they can't go as far with lgbt rep than netflix can.

There not your allys. There pretending to be so that you guys don't cancel them and because of that nobody does cancel them because they put on the act of allyship. They get paid by investments to push these messages. They don't actually care. What you gotta do is make your own company and start produce media to compete with the big guys. Because they aren't gonna change because all they care about is money.

No

Yeah i think that show had more of the case of bad writing, sure dreamworks can have its part in it too but many scenes in she ra should definetly get a rewrite for catradora to work

@@tealover4013 character traits could use some work too

yupp it really sucks that one of the very few queer couples we have in cartoons is that of an abusive relationship being romanticized :( And the worst part is She-ra had gotten Netflix/Dreamworks' approval for 5 seasons from the beginning, so they didn't face any problems like cancelation or shortening of the last seasons like Steven Universe or The Olw House had, the writers just wanted to write their relationship like that and saw no problem in it being this way. So sad.

@@tealover4013 not mentioning they are adoptive sisters like... they both are raised together since childhood by the same person who they both see as their mother figure... they are sisters in every way possible without explicitly saying the word

@@manuba_ the 5 seasons is a lie, it had less 30 minute episodes then the original she-ra. It was really just 2 seasons split apart to make people think it was a good show, that people demanded more. Netflix does this trick to alot of its properties, like cuphead.

For the US, blame Christianity for having the worst freakin' fandom in the histoy of fandoms pal.

Cardcaptor Sakura is one of my favorites. Probably the first and only time I've seen the protagonist and her eventual love interest have a long standing crush on the same person, who himself ends up in a gay relationship with the protagonist's brother. And it's not treated as a joke, either. The gay crushes and relationships are just as normal as the straight ones. Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha also had the titular character adopt a child with another woman in the future. Nanoha and Fate are shown to live in the same house, sleep in the same bed, and their daughter calls them both mom, which is pretty insanely progressive for a 2007 show that doesn't even have romance as a selling point. I'm surprised it isn't talked about more. There's also Chivalry of a Failed Knight, which has a MtF trans girl in the main cast. It was pretty cool to see her introduce herself and tell the main characters that she goes by female pronouns; I don't think I'd ever seen that in a show before. They even included little details like her using the girl's bathrooms at school, but using the boy's bathrooms in areas where people wouldn't know her. For how progressive it seemed though, I was pretty disappointed that the show had to include a throwaway gag about how she looked in a swimsuit. Anime did tend to have an issue with either fetishizing LGBT people or making them jokes, but shows that treat them seriously tend to do it pretty well.

Ah yes, back when two of the characters that were romantically involved in Sailor Moon were labeled as "cousins" in the US translation. Can't believe that whoever translated it preferred for it to look like incest rather than a normal healthy lesbian couple lol

@@wolfyrichards I think in the German version they also labelled them as cousins.

@@Nonjola Oh dang

She think toh is racist??? Can elaborate more on this?

@@slabman6262 She didn’t. She was talking about how the fan base was a little more focused on the non POC characters like Amity to the point that they ignored Luz being present.

She has never once called TOH racist. She has said that the fandom has a racism problem, because so many fans pretend that Hunter or Amity are the main characters while ignoring Luz, Willow, and Gus.

Also, what is everyone’s problem with Lily Orchard? I never hear her name mentioned anywhere outside her own videos except as a punchline, but this very video is going over many of the exact same points that she’s been raising for years.

@@gizoginjr I know, right? She literally put this up years ago about how Disney treats these decisions. The other problem is that, even if someone did have actual criticism, so many people have been dishonest in their critiques when their rebuttals can be refuted by the videos they criticise. Honestly, I think it’s because she’s popular and an easy target.

IKR? The show has some pretty amazing animation, especially in the second season.

That seems like more than enough reason to cancel it cause it always sometimes you will forget that kids are going to watch this shit

(even tho luz is bi canonically)

@@noboloboski what?

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@@usuallyangry Is that an analogy or something?

@@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678 [redacted]

@@usuallyangry I don't understand the point of that notion. Do you somehow think parents don't care about human trafficking because they also hold conservative values? It's possible to be against both without contradicting yourself.

@@imnotfromfrancewheeler2678 Okay, fine. I was being racist again. I will pull it.

Lol Straight characters are allowed to be as open with the fact that they're straight as possible, but the second a gay character is introduced, then suddenly you act as if being gay is their only personality and that they're "shoving it down your throat" lmao.

@@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee The moment you see a conservative, you suddenly act as if being a bigot is their only personality and that they're opressing you, so what's your point?

@@teeveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yep, absolutely. I don't get these types of people, these people actually can't stand gay characters in their media and call it "fOrcEd repResnTaTIon" .

Examples?

Idk about it feeling forced, but I do hate when it takes precedence over personality or story

Fr!

Kipo is so underrated it makes me sad

Id say its more akin to dangling food infront of a starving homeless person

@@kit40tatoon its not that dire. if you want to normalize gay you don't point it out at every turn.

@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 Because the moment a straight protagonist gets into a relationship with someone, it's definitely not being "pointed out."

@@thedeadpoolwhochuckles.6852 straight people are allowed to get excited about straight relationships in media but if a gay person does it with gay ships suddenly its "oh so you think being gay shouldnt be normalized?"

Oh we have a envy in this section Besides sexual minority are small % of population so it is not that they are important but why they act like they are at top of the word wich piss off people of

Gay characters shouldn't be political at all which is the sad part, me existing isn't political 💀💀💀

@@payt00n Fr

If Disney and other entertainment companies only care about _politics_ now, then they have forgotten what it really means to be an _entertainment_ company because otherwise, they are failing their job by giving us the opposite of representation. July 2, 2022, 12:15pm

@@adampkalb A company just looks to make money. If their show gets banned from too many countries because they hate the gays or something, they lose money. Therefore they try to strike the perfect balance of allowing minor amount of representation that can be easily reversed/censored in countries where they stand to gain money, and allow it in places there it'll be accepted or at least tolerated in hopes of gaining a bit of extra money from it too. It is in the very nature of companies/corporations to be fuelled by greed, and that's a bigger focus than politics-although they certainly wouldn't have to do this if their sources of income weren't taking a political stance against LGBT.

@@NuniaBiznaz Well, those entertainment companies still need to watch out if their greed actually prevents them from entertaining anyone. This is why nobody likes The Emoji Movie and Space Jam: A New Legacy when the stories of those movies were just soulless advertisements for many other products. July 4, 2022, 6:38pm

too bad those two are filled to the brim with tropes & cliches

@@smingus101 Filled to the brim with tropes and cliches? Please elaborate.

​@freerobux49 or maybe they actually watched the show and realised, it's not actually great as some people say it is, especially after S1.

​@@RXTwister Hazbin Hotel definitely floundered due to it's pacing. I believe that the team had more episodes lined up for the first season but Amazon cut it to eight. I feel like the Hazbin would have been so much better if they went a similar route as Helluva Boss.

it wasn’t though?

@@starfieldgames5976it was cancelled for ‘not fitting the brand’ by one guy (theorised to be the ceo guy I forgot the name of(who is infamous for not liking lgbt themes)) after they showed lgbt themes. Make up your own mind

@@rfurthegamer3412 they showed lgbtq+ themes LONG before that, and dana has said herself it was to save costs during the pandemic.

@@starfieldgames5976 link? And I don’t think Dana would say it was homophobia while on paytoll

we respect people like you ❤

Same it only annoys me when a show has a great overarcing plot that nobody talks about because someone in there is gay. If the goal is to make LGBTQ a common and widely accepted thing, pointing it out, underlining it in red and drawing a circle around it undermines the entire concept of representation.

Now your speaking my language

I like you 🤗

I'm a barbsexual of the LGBBQ+ community (i'm actually bi, take a joke)

Idk anyone who's like that

@@granda3649 yeah same

@@toorurururu5911 Clearly the one million moms

The hypocrisy :/

@@KokaKola633 it's not hypocrisy to like the default setting

I’m very glad you were able to come to that realization ❤️

Same, I don't want any companies taking control of my projects. All of my works are better off as a web series like Helluva Boss.

From the looks of it, Nickelodeon is the only network actually worth dealing with.

@@WDB2005 that's terrible because if a show isn't an instant success on Nick, then it will be quickly axed out

You'll be a lot better off with like Netflix or something

If your point of your characters is being not straight then you will never succeed it not because of company but of being typical left entertainment wich is politics and boredom wich audience

Dana did what? What is the name of the show?

It’s insulting to compare pandering trash that’s really just a glorified Harry Potter fanfiction like Foul House to something like Samurai Jack.

The 1st of June, Disney XD ran a marathon of The Owl House consisting of episodes focused on the development of Luz and Amity's relationship.

That’s literally what I’ve been saying, literally movies or such like Lightyear (I haven’t seen Baymax) has something minimal and played normally is enough to cause an entire army of people to try to murder it but you have shows like some of the ones Cartoonshi shows and literally no one cares and is fine with it and even celebrates it. It’s massively hypocritical and I just don’t get it. Btw I saw Lightyear and I actually thought it was good, as for Baymax, that is for the future

@@silashurd3597 I feel like Disney is at least partially "egging them on" to get mad.

Uh Lightyear was banned in countries like the Middle East and China who are fervently anti LGBT. That's a cultural thing and you getting mad about it won't help anything and it won't change any time soon. You have to accept most countries aren't very accepting of things.

It's not a complicated or new thing. It's a religious thing. It's not the fact there's kissing involved, it's the LGBT aspect that people reject. It's hypocritical, yes. But people are acting as if religion or similar preferences are a new phenomenon that only began surfacing yesterday.

@@toon4thought Bro wtf when I saw it at my theater there was no kiss

gay couples have more rep than lesbians in any medium besides children's cartoons

@@idkidc2573 Then lets switch it up, get some gays in the cartoons and get some lesbians in the other mediums

Same here

This is why I'm homophobic. The day I learned I couldn't summon Satan from my chest was the day I decided to hate the gays.

Oof on the Hazbin Hotel. I liked it but it did not deliver on the hype. They didn't censor relationships but the amount of corporate meddling definitely stunted the show from being amazing.

im all up for ace and aroace characters, gay or bi characters influence kids badly.

@@ManiaMusics2007 Then we should also not put straight couples, they influence childrens as well.

@@lovelygurlz7883 yeah but they influence in a normal way, same sex marriages arent that normal for me, keep whining.

@@ManiaMusics2007 just because you think it's strange doesn't mean it's bad. Keep dreaming.

@@ManiaMusics2007 your argument is "Mom me not likey, that's yucky"

Its true. Black, white, gay, straight, you can't rely on any soulless corporation for true, genuine representation.

Its for the love of money.

That doesn't make it right, to use "companies want money" as a scapegoat for said companies being shitty is dumb.

sorry if its a bit personal, but is it like an adopt situation?

@@cubefromblender Not really, because one is my real mom and the other 1 Her girlfriend, but being honest Her girlfriend Does feel like a real mom They feel like real parents like straight couples So not really different I'm always glad I have to amazing mother who take care of me and my brother.

I have to agree man or mam it's rather refreshing.

I get where where those people are coming from but I think I can summarize it." The exist of gay characters isn't problem the is that you make a big deal out of it when we've have been doing it for the past decades. To say that here and now is where we finally get representation is dishonest." There simple as that.

I always assumed it was a big bro little bro relationship since one of them was significantly older

Plus we got the Collector and Season 2 being much better paced.

Yeah Disney is pathetic

Roman Catholic here. I feel you. Honestly, between the homophobia, transphobia, apathy to mass shooting victims, apathy to rape ("God wanted you to get raped, it was God's plan for you to be forced to have a child") and casual discarding of women's rights for "thuh unborn bbys" while the world just keeps becoming a shittier place for babies to grow up in (assuming they don't kill themselves and the mother during birth), I have become totally disillusioned with my faith. Catholics strike me now as hypocrites and, if you pardon me for the overused term, sheep. What's pissing me off is that these supposedly loving religious folk are spreading hysteria about how trans people and allies are groomers even if none of them ever have the chance to interact with kids. The fuck happened to "Thou shalt not spread falsehoods". And how is downplaying actual pedophilia a loving saintly thing to do? Do they really think kids are just so impressionable that one gay kiss will turn them gay? Are drag queens really just chaining these kids in front of them and forcing them to listen to their storytimes? Anyway, there is zero hope of my parents becoming in favor of LGBT+. They're in their 60's, of course gay people are scary. My mom even once compared their "propaganda" to *nazi propaganda*. My three brothers have become phobic as well. I think I was only spared because I gained my internet addiction and gained acquaintances and friends who are either LGBT+ or allies. Now I couldn't think of lining up with "my people" and hating gays. I don't regret harshly telling off the people who think trans people are groomers or abused into becoming that way. Because they're just fucking people. That's it. And so I get a headache when mom and dad start ranting to each other about LGBT+ matters and tune it out with music or RU-vid, that's how sick I am of all these homophobic excuses.

Thanks for being an ally < 3

Did you even consider if lgbt is wrong on some level?

@@amberrichards2778 You're very welcome

@@usuallyangry Thankfully, my own mother is more open-minded...but only a little when it comes to the LGBT. For example, she's been an Ellen fan for years and never felt disturbed by the fact she was a lesbian nor was she put off by the numerous LGBTQ+ guests Ellen had on the show. However, she DOES seem to have difficulty understanding the nature of non-binary people and their mindset of being "genderless"

its a sin in my religion anyway, go become islamophobic if u hate that.

Agreed. Despite my dad completely wrecking me in every match of any fighting game we play, having something to share with him feels amazing.

Video games are actually more likely to prevent violence, since kids will be at home playing games, not out doing crime

@VanquisherOfTroons that's the username and pfp of someone to take seriously

they're saying heterosexuality is extremely fragile without realizing it.

@@quaxlyquixote4003 exactly

Sorry, I just like to think of a billboard advertising a show, and it just says “SEE! WE HAVE GAYS!”

Honestly I’m not much of a fan of Helluva Boss but I really like the representation in that show. I really think there’s legitimate chemistry and an interesting story with the main (sorta) pairing. They just so happen to be gay and that’s EXACTLY how it should be And there’s a focus on mlm representation in it which isn’t really focused in many other shows (beside Kipo)