Agreed. But I have to say, not from experience but that he had 13 years in the SD to learn to control that and temper it into pure calculated revenge and hatred.
Edmond was never a cuckold to return to this Helen of Troy. He was like Odysseus and found happiness in a faithful girl like Penelope personified and haydee. Edmond was never Menelaus who took Helen back.
@@jeankierkegaard642 Oh, no! Don't start spewing that bullshit on one of my comment threads! I can't speak for the book, but in this version, Edmond and Mercédès are soulmates! And like Penelope, Mercédès was always faithful to Edmond.
The scene where he finally confessed who he was and was upset that she was ruining his vengeance plans because of love..that scene ooooooommmmgggg FIREWORKS!!!
@@esmeralda1703 It's been quite some time since I read the book 20+ years. I remember Haydee being middle eastern. I also remember her being much younger than Edmond, which could account for her beauty.
The book did not give Mercedes an excuse for WHY she married Fernand so quickly either. The "I had to get married as cover for a pregnancy... by Edmond," was something the scriptwriters came up with so she would be more of a victim.
The 1988 version is superior to the 2002 version. The 2002 version approximates the count of Monte-Cristo of zorro, the 1988 version approximates the story od Master and Margarita by Bukgakov. You cannot compare Zorro with the Bulgakov classic. Edmond with Jim Cavizell is closer to zorro, Edmond by Viktor Avivlov is closer to Woland of Master and Margarita. The two characters are not compared. Cavizeel's revenge is mere violence like zorro, Avivlov's revenge is like Woland who unmasks society's vices and punishes them. Mercedes doesn't fight to protect a man she loves like Margarita or is devotional like dea in the Man who laughs, but Haydee is devotional like Dea. A version that transforms story as a Master and Margarita is superior to one that transforms as The mask of zorro.
Hollywood writers know absolutely nothing about human psychology and how anyone in Edmond's situation would react. Alexandre Dumas was a genius. Alexandre Soljenítsin, who won the novel d eliteratura, in a similar experience, he was cold with his first wife who married another while he was in prison and never forgave her. He married a woman 20 years younger. Hollywood writers should be less cocaine and try to get to know a person's mentality much more in order to better develop their personality after this superficial film.
@@rharris4736 Quick question for you. How would a SINGLE mother in mid-18th century France support herself and provide for her child? She married Fennon Mondego so that her child would be provided for. In that period and world that was really the only viable option she had open to her.
In the book, Edmond abandons Mercedes for a younger girl. And son doesn't keep a Frenchman in a relationship. Just remember Natalie Portman's French husband who had an affair with a younger girl and the marriage ended.
There are three things in life most men want - Money Power and Women and the pursuit of any of the three can ruin a man. This is the message of this great book and movie.
Facts, I just wish there was a better upload of the scene on Elba with Napoleon. Just watched a history documentary on him and it reminded me of that pivotal scene of this amazing film.
In the book, Edmond had become jaded and ruthless due to the years he spent locked up. At the end, he and Mercedes had become different people and thus were not going to get back together.
And then there's the golden rule: if anyone wants a good adaptation of the book you love, that movie can't be hollywood. There's the 1964 BBC miniseries with Allan Badel, the French adaptations of 1929, 1943, 1954 and the 1979 miniseries, the film The Prisoner of Château d'If (1988).
In the 1979 French miniseries we have Benedetto's wedding to Eugenie, the death of Edouard, valentine and Maixmilien. We have Edmond leaving with haydee. In the BBC miniseries we have Eugenie running away with her teacher.
book is more realistic. would you just go back to your "loved ones" who forgot you and married another not too soon after you have "deceased"? hell no.
@@cothinker680dude i had finished The whole Thucydides history in 4 days which is much bigger.Its really spectacular what the human mind can do when its stimulated.
Yep total slip up!! And then she’s at his house with a veil over her head a black one if you think about it crazy right and then she’s off I never said Dante’s -- ( he had said that) uh oh - caught!
As if a rich and powerful man wanted an old woman almost 40 years old. In the book, the count wants an 18-year-old girl. Only in fictional stories would a rich and powerful man return to his ex-fiancee. In films based on true stories, everything is different. we see Julkius Caesar with young queen of Egypt.
@@FernandoSilva-cr6qo For starters, Dantes didn't initiate the relationship with Haydee in the books either, as he viewed her as a daughter. Second, real rich men don't typically give a huge chunk of their fortune to their nemesis' son and leave town.
It ripped my heart out to see him reject her when she has him she still loves him and will never let him go I wanted him to take her away love her like 20 men
And why would the count want her? He is rich and powerful like the great Julius Caesar who had the young queen Cleopatra as his lover. Why would the count want his ex-fiancée when he could have a young lover just like Caesar. In his book he had a young princess as lover. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z3JKAe_1mAs.html&rco=1
How can I just let you walk away? Just let you leave without a trace? When I stand here takin' every breath with you, ooh You're the only one who really knew me at all How can you just walk away from me When all I can do is watch you leave? 'Cause we've shared the laughter and the pain And even shared the tears You're the only one who really knew me at all So take a look at me now Oh, there's just an empty space And there's nothin' left here to remind me Just the memory of your face Ooh, take a look at me now Well, there's just an empty space And you comin' back to me is against the odds And that's what I've got to face I wish I could just make you turn around Turn around and see me cry There's so much I need to say to you So many reasons why You're the only one who really knew me at all
I prefer the movie which is a first lol. Especially when it comes to these two. In the book her child was Mondegos and not Edmonds, and he was a lot colder to her, and also she moved on pretty quickly from him. The movie makes their relationship so much better.
The book is much better. The Prisoner of Château d'If (1988) is the best adaptation of the book. Edmond is rich and powerful like Julius Caesar, why would he want Mercedes? Julius Caesar had a wife and this did not stop him from having an affair with the young Cleopatra. Why would a former fiancé prevent Edmond from having a young and beautiful lover?
@@irrumnaaz And why wouldn't Edmond have a young and beautiful lover like Julius Caesar with Cleopatra in the movie with Liz Taylor? Remember that the film Cleopatra is based on a true story.
The 2002 film fails to show extreme sadism in the count to exact its revenge. He almost loses his humanity. the years of imprisonment had hardened his heart. Chapter 35. The impossibility of Edmond and mercedes getting back together. “For myself I want nothing. I live, as it were, between two graves. One is that of Edmond Dantès, lost to me long, long since. He had my love! That word ill becomes my faded lip now, but it is a memory dear to my heart, and one that I would not lose for all that the world contains. The other grave is that of the man who met his death from the hand of Edmond Dantès. I approve of the deed, but I must pray for the dead.” - - chapter 112- the counto f monte cristo by Alexandre Dumas
This version was beautiful but storywise unrealistic in that Edmond and Mercedes were two different people at this point and thus were never going together again.
@@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459 This film is a succession of mistakes. The writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who was arrested for political reasons as Edmond, his first love marries another man, when he was released he married another woman. I compare Edmond's life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's to show how Alexandre Dumas' decision was absolutely correct in the book. And watching this film, I understand the contempt of the French for this adaptation. And his preference for the 1979 miniseries by Denys de La Patelliere and with jacques weber as Edmond. And next year we will have a new adaptation made by France and it will be much better than this one. "this point and thus were never going together again." But someone in real life, acted the same way Edmond acted with Mercedes and married someone like haydee (an orphan of political persecution like him).
@@bartolomeestebanmurillo4459 This film is a succession of mistakes. The writer Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn who was arrested for political reasons as Edmond, his first love marries another man, when he was released he married another woman. I compare Edmond's life with Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn's to show how Alexandre Dumas' decision was absolutely correct in the book.
Oh … The drama of it all! The best part of the story is that he learned so much from the old man- (the romantic love interest part is secondary to his own personal journey).
O conde no livro mete o pé na buda da Mercedes. Essa porcaria que acha que filho é o suficiente para segurar um francês em um casamento. Os chifres que a Natalie Portman teve mostram que não. O marido dela é francês.
And why wouldn't Edmond have a young and beautiful lover like Julius Caesar with Cleopatra in the movie with Liz Taylor? Remember that the film Cleopatra is based on a true story. In his book, Edmond preferred his young lover to Princess Haydee. There will be a miniseries with Sam Claflin that will show both of them.
She knows it’s him I would’ve said to him in that carriage stop it stop it you know I know with you the only reason I married him with because *our son needed a father* that is the only reason why I’ve married him I don’t love him and they told me you were dead I didn’t know what to do except for this do you think I like this life?
@Διομήδης If she was told he (Edmond) was executed what was he supposed to do? In that day and age a woman who had a son without a father was considered a whore( in case you didn’t know) OK? women didn’t have much of a choice being a woman myself I realize that not only could I not own property but I would be A man’s property ( thats how it was) and dude you really destroyed the whole thing OK why can’t you just shut up the movie is good as it is it may not be exactly as the book (I read it required reading) but do you really have to say every damn thing that happens in the book compared to the movie?? that happens a lot with movies versus books I mean take a look at the shining Stephen King hated the movie it didn’t line up completely with the book OK and there’s tons of others like that that’s Hollyweird for you so dude don’t ruin it for everyone🙄🙄🙄🙄
I came here because The Nevada earthquake has been named the "M6.5 Monte Cristo Range Earthquake", or as Univ of Nevada, Reno staff like to call it, "The Earthquake of Monte Cristo". xD
Jim Caviezel wonderful as usual, even before actung in " The Passion of The Christ" , he was here giving a mesmerizing performance as Count de Mont Cristo with all the subtlety, nuances and very hard & deep dimensions of this character as presented in the novel by Alexandre Dumas. Dagmara also captured the emotional overcome when she saw her love again with great depth and brilliance in performance. This is for me by far the best ever depiction of this epic of a novel that is considered as one of the greatest novels of world literature together with novels like " Tale of two cities " by Charkes Dickers, " Karamazov Brother, and Crime & punishment " by Fyodor Dostoevsky, " War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy etc etc etc. The ability of this movie to capture the brilliance of the main characters far surpasses all the others that tried before or after becausein this depiction the performance of Jim Caviezel and Dagmara gave the story much more of a heart , and allowed for redemption rather than just depicting the revenge. Thank you for uploading this gem. May Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Bless you. ❤❤❤❤
Bruh..... I liked the book's version better. He was justifiably cold towards Mercedes, did not have love in his heart but only remorse in his eyes. Here he seems like a lost boyfriend still stalking over his married crush.
In the 19th century, the writer Alexandre Dumas found the raw material for one of his greatest adventure novels in the injustice suffered by Gardois François Picaud: The Count of Monte Cristo. Behind the famous novel hides news as tragic as it is sordid, which Alexandre Dumas discovers thanks to his collaborator Auguste Marquet, who consulted the police files. The writer, however, adapts some facts to remain in line with his own Bonapartist convictions. He thus places the facts a few years after reality in order to further attack Louis XVIII's police. This is how François Picaud passes to posterity, under the name of Edmond Dantès. Picaud never forgave his ex-fiancée for marrying one of those responsible for his arrest and took revenge on the entire family. In the book, Edmond doesn't forgive Mercedes, but he doesn't hurt her and Albert. He marries another woman. It's very strange that people expected a happy ending in this story and that Edmond would reconcile with his enemy's wife. And in real life the attitude was one of hatred and resentment.
@@swagsukeuchiha7599 She didn’t. She thought he was dead and she was pregnant with his child in a time where classy women weren’t supposed to have sex before marriage, so she married Mondego to cover the pregnancy.
@@ScarredRomeo yep she was a true rider, but of course the count viewed his revenge as more important than the possibility of rekindling something with her. They could’ve worked out but his plans superseded his love life
@@ScarredRomeo That, and also because she needed an income, lest she and her child succumb to starvation. The patriarchy’s terrible like that. Let’s agree to never go back.
@walrus2515 You’re right, woman can go to war and be outmatched, Take 2nd in sports constantly, the family is ruined , women have little respect for men and are narcissists in the west and Now they have only fans ! YAY
