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I used to play Dee and it certainly isn't as easy as it sounds. Once you master it though, oh, the feeling of accomplishment... I haven't played guitar professionally for 20 years and oh boy I miss what I used to be able to play back then. Randy, what an untimely death :(
@@TheArtofGuitar That was funny, but no kidding, I never knew this, but now that I do, it makes total sense. I’m a crap house rhythm acoustic player, been playing for years and that’s put me next to a bunch of guys that have driven themselves crazy trying to replicate Randy. Awesome video and explanation!
@@TheArtofGuitar that's sad, this definitely falls under fair use, but yeah, can't take the risk to have the video taken down and waste some precious time trying to dispute the claim
excellent video bro. since I have learned theory I have really come to love accenting with different degrees of the key to create solid/sweet/ dissonant tones depending on the song.
I learned about this from dimebag, he was talking about how he doubled his tracks and tweaked each track a bit to give it that tone. He even said he learned these tricks from Randy. RIP to both legends!
If you look into Randys musical education history you'll see there's no way the differences in the solo tracks are accidental or mistakes. He was that good.
He truly was. His musical brain was such a sponge and really absorbed everything in a masterful way. His classical guitar background/lessons ( in which was continuously ongoing) showed so much in his playing and was getting better so fast. He was just getting started of what he could’ve achieved if his life wasn’t cut short. Much respect to Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, SRV is probably my favorite guitarist of all time if I was forced to pick just one. With that said if I had a choice between them three guitarist to have not died too soon I’d pick Randy just because he had so much more to prove and to achieve as a guitar player. As I felt Hendrix and SRV had pretty much peeked in playing and writing ability in comparison to Randy....if that makes sense lol idk just my opinion. Don’t misunderstand...I’m not comparing the three in a way of whom was “better”, that would be stupid as they all had different styles
Yes. But the real question is why do dissonant notes sound like harmonies. If you tried to play them together they don't sound good. How can that happen.
While I’m sure the different parts were intentional...I’m not unconvinced that the reason they ended up together was because of an engineer muting the wrong track and then everyone jus went “hey that’s cool!”
Randy was a music teacher like his Mother. He was planning on leaving Ozzie to improve his guitar playing to study advanced Spanish Guitar. So he did everything on purpose.
@@5roundsrapid263 the Beatles were famous for making chord sounds with their instruments and voices… you play this note, I play this note, we sing these notes like this and it would be a wall of chord tones layered together… genius.
just picked up my guitar again after 5 years after 're discovering' Randy, and found this channel recently, love this channel, keep up the great videos!
It's strange to me how these videos can be demonetized when in reality it will only generate more revenue for the artists since listeners (especially new listeners) will go back to listen to the actual tracks.
They claim the songwriting credits from the song being used in the video, the moneys still happening, it’s just ending up in a major record labels pocket.
It has nothing at all to do with the artists, and everything to do with the publishers (copyright holders). If the copyright holders are like the plantation owners, the artists are like the cotton plants.
The fact that it is on separate channels vs the same channel. ( two different directions ), it probably doesn't have the compounding effect which causes the dissonance as you call it. Much like how hot and cold can not be mixed, but separate they have their own feeling of bliss. Its5hard to explain but separating things sometimes makes them better.
Not only was Randy creative, he was a clever Guitarist... If you notice, in all of the songs from Blizzard and Diary, he made all the solos designed that no other Guitar solo, no matter how good a soloist you are... It won’t match! Rose solos were cleverly composed, that you have no choice but play it the way Randy plays those solos. I miss him so much, just imagine if he was with us today, he’d probably still be the top notch Guitarist of today running and blazing at the top of the list.
I played this live many times, dead on. Except for the final line = improvised it every time! I’d start on the f# and end up on that bended note, but that’s as close as it got. We used to play the tribute version because of the guitar parts at the intro and outdo which are great, but that final line on the studio album = well, that’s Randy fuckin Rhoads!!!
I tried to master this solo when I was a teenager and was never able to do so to any satisfaction. Thank you for explaining why. Grateful. All I had to use back then was tablature from guitar magazine.
I'm not even a musician and have no idea how I got here.....but I loved watching you explain this, which I'll admit I never noticed and I've seen it done at a hundred Ozzy shows! LoL Nice work. Wish I was a guitarist!
This is awesome... I think Randy meant to do this. That dissonance is Randy. He had a massive brain for interpreting which notes could create this dissonant unison. Love him. Thank you for this.
'Killer Girls" when Randy was in Quiet Riot is my favorite solo by him. The whole multi tracked solo thing where the notes are different was more common in the 1970's.
No guitar song has ever been played the same twice by any person ever. The electrons, protons, neutrons will never be the same from take to take. There will always be anomalies. This is part of what makes live shows so amazing.
Awesome dude. I love your videos. And justice for all was my first book which taught me how to play. It may have been wrong but it got my fingers working lol… thanks for the great content
I was really worried that my ears were failing when you first played with the backing track because I was listening out for the dissonant notes and couldn't hear them... that would be because they weren't there lol. My ears still work!
I'd say the double tracked solo is still technically a modulation style effect. But the delays would be so much slower, so I'd say it makes the effect a "true chorus" effect, rather than the sound the pedals make. All in all, it just makes the bends sound a lot bigger.
I had read an interview where he had described what he had done with his with his solos, recording two takes, a millisecond of delay between the tracks, using dissonance in certain passages. He never recorded the written solo for Suicide Solution because there was no time, nor budget for him to get on tape what he had written. So what is recorded on that piece is the dummy solo. Thus his using it in concert as his solo set piece.
Really glad this popped up in my recommendations, very fascinating video. It also makes me wanna start playing again, maybe I'll go browse for that Ibanez again. Keep up the good work. :)
I just subscribed! You’re kinda special, yourself, for figuring this out! And i know you know what you’re talking about cause you’re playing a GIBSON! I like SG, but Les Pauls can’t be denied. Thanks, John Cusack!
i remember being so discouraged as a kid in the 80's not being able to perfectly play some solo's as transcribed - trying to slow cassette tapes down, stretch the tape, etc... only to finally see a live show and what they played live was literally about 2/3 the notes on most of the fast runs.... i couldn't believe it - my initial instinct as a kid was that they did it "wrong" (but how could they? they were literally the artist!) then I thought the transcribers were wrong.... ah, live and learn...
In orchestra, as second chair I would tune my D string just between d and d flat to create dissonance to make the section sound larger. It worked for like 3 years until I got a prick of a director that hated creativity. By itself it sounded horrendous, but when the section would play together it gave it a distinct tone.
That is super cool. I believe it is 100% intentional since he already double tracked the solo note for note. While double tracking the solo however he may been playing around and stumbled on to it. I guess we will never know, but you are the first person I have come across to find that, nice job man.
OTHER THINGS TO CONSIIDER: Randy wasn't the mixing and editing engineer, and he may have done 20 passes recording the solo. To assume it was just two and done demonstrates a lack of comprehending the recording process, much less how tedious is was in the early 80s before digital equipment was around. The engineers could have easily chosen two passes that didn't quite match, unknowingly or intentionally. To think that the solo we hear is a single pass is also not logical: The solos and added riffs and licks were all separate overdubs, and likely have edited splices we the listener do not hear. ALSO: A touring musician in the studio may be rushed, could be under the influence, wherein memory is not as sharp, and this doesn't even account for using multiple guitars during the recording process. Maybe the notes were played intentionally, maybe by accident (i forget small parts of solos all the time) and i imagine there were a fantastic amount of trendy chemical amusement aides on hand while in the company of Ozzy and crew. Bottom line is we don't, and won't ever, know why the double, triple, and quadruple tracked solos differ slightly on all of Randy's work.
Whether it was intentional or not is hard to say - Randy might not have conceptualized his solos as very strict sequences of notes like we often do when we're transcribing. He might have just been thinking "trill, bend, walk down the scale, then play this lick" without specifically thinking that he was going to to play D C# B or E D B as the scale. If it was a mistake, it is the sign of a good musician that it was a very musical mistake. It's feasible that he recorded the solo once and was perfectly happy with it, then the producer asked for a second take just in case and played another one that he was perfectly happily with, maybe not even realizing that he changed a few notes here or there. It could have been decided later on by the producer that his takes were close enough that it would sound great with 3 playing at the same time.
If you take 2 tones and play each individually in each ear your brain combines them and you hear a tone that is the subtraction of one from the other, this is used in Binaural mp3s and such
I’m a professional guitarist and I’ve done the same thing you did. Randy was my biggest influence and I learned every sone he played with Ozzy by the official music books. They are wrong!I did the same thing you did, I slowed it down and heard the same thing. Hey, he’s Randy F’n Rhoads! Randy was way ahead of his time and had he not died so young I have no doubt he would have been even more revered and legendary than he already is.
I had the same problem, never figured out crowley but I figured out crazy train, I had an amp that would record and loop, id used my dad's old arbor for two solo tracks then used my personal best setup to play along and I'd make sure I'd play the 1981 live version, couldn't get much closer if I tried today
I just realized how ridiculous it is to pander to those who get upset for speaking negatively about someone with significant skill. Randy Rhodes was an amazing guitarist to have created all he had at such a young age. Becoming overtly aggressive to others for their contemptuous remarks against Randy Rhodes vacuum seals an otherwise open environment of an already limited field such as music. Cultists are disgusting people. Go back to your beehive. Speak freely, orator! Teach as freely as required to soundly lecture.
I think part of why the dissonance is so much worse when playing 2 notes at once is that each note feeds off the vibration of the other string, reinforcing said dissonance. When double-tracking the notes don't interfere with each other as much, resulting in a much smoother sound.
I love how much you see this nowadays. Especially artists like Avenged Sevenfold (look at their song Save Me if you wanna hear it more). Overall, cool technique and I hope metal doesn't lose it any time soon.
I'm curious about the missing truss rod cover and those "boomerang-shaped" string trees on the headstock, if that's what they are? An interesting looking mod, for sure.
You typically have a DEMO Take Recording Take A Live Take a DEMO Take typically is more like what you hear in live performances. Artist freedom. The recording track has a lot of record label corporate idiots say what stays in what goes. Also the equipment the room recorded in the humidity etc all play a role in the sound. Cheers 🍻 a lot
So in cases like this, something that also happens with Iommi solos, as a performer you just have to decide which take sounds more dominant, and play that one. Otherwise, you have to figure out how to play those notes together, as a type pf dissonant chord. Might be a fun challenge though.
Not only that, but the two tracks aren't exact either. You can hear the ever so slightest separation in the two on occasion almost adding an echo bit to it.
"Randy would never make a mistake!" Why not? What, is he some kind of superhuman entity that somehow lives his entire life to absolute perfection and never falters even slightly? No? He's human like the rest of us? Then he makes mistakes. Both in his playing as well as in other aspects of life. Making mistakes is not a failure. It's the natural consequence of being human. Now, was this a mistake or was it planned? Who the hell knows. Only Randy Rhoads, and he isn't talking. Could have been a mistake, could also not have been a mistake. We'll never know for sure. What we CAN know for sure though, is that the result sounds amazing and it's a lesson for guitarrists everywhere on another way that you can use your instrument to make music, and for that Rhoads deserves credit. Whether he made it that way on purpose or by accident is irrelevant.
It's why rock is so different of classical music, it's more spontaneous, it don't need to be perfect, it's perfect because its imperfections, this is rock and roll. I liked the video, but me myself don't like to theorize too much about it. It just need to sound great, no metter if it's metal, grounge, pop or trash... and it don't need to sound exactly always the same, the expression of each person is also important. Well just my point of view ;) But thanks for the videos it's very helpful, maybe Randy did that dissonance on purpose... I love how it sounds too
Max Norman has done interviews where he said everything Randy did was planned out and very particular about. this is why he is not a fan of the album Diary of a Madman he cringes when he heard the track solos that he did not have time to work on
Go study pretty much any Rachmaninov symphonic piece or piano concerto.. think of it as a master class in this type of stuff. There are some passages in the 3rd and 4th piano concertos that are mind blowing regarding what our ears will accept, vs. the actual dissonance and what is being presented to the ear of the listener. Some Romantic period classical composers (especially Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Rachmaninov), stopped slavishly following the 'rules' of harmony, and just started looking for harmony that still sounded great to the ears, but could fly in the face of the rules known from before Bach.
Randy just played it wrong. That's the reason for the anomaly. He didn't only doubled it, he trippled it. Left, right, and middle. If you listen well, the volume increases significantly when solo begins. It's fast and has a lot of tappings, so he also made timing mistakes. He obviously didn't care about the details since high distortion covers most of his mistakes. It's still a good solo and a good song.
I have to wonder though if Randy did it intentionally because he is a classically trained musician and I know on piano it's a lot more common to hit minor and major second intervals near each other I think it also sounds better because there's a width in the sound of the intervals between the two guitars that you'd never be able to get if you played the notes together on the same take
Um , no the solo is triple tracked. There is one in the middle and 2 separate ones in the right and left. Watch his producer, Max Norman talk about it. He also says how the many versions that followed, most recording engineers didn't know which were the center guitar and the right and left on the releases post 1980's.
Chaz...you are exactly right. That's obvious. But all of it worked perfectly, IMO. Randy is my favorite and Dime is second. Those types of players can never be completely figured out because when it all comes down, it's in the hands, emotions and personality.
I always knew that the solo was double tracked but never realized that some of the notes were different. I always thought he was just off on timing by a few milliseconds. thanks for bringing it to my attention
Anything with heavy distortion in equal tempered instruments is dissonant in the harmonic series of single notes, even if the melody/chords aren't theoretically dissonant.
