The CREEPIEST Cases of People Disappearing #2 

Mine shafts, when you are hiking in the dessert, ALWAYS be on the look out for mine shafts. The things are EVERYWHERE. Its actually extremely dangerous and does need to be addressed. (sadly it is only addressed when someone actually dies in one.)

I read somewhere that certain mountains have gaps n stuff that can shift, opening and closing right under you, i cant remember the specific details, but its spooky Edit: Like from unstable earth, shifting rocks, gorges and fissures that collapse and refill with dirt, snow, ect, mini sink holes, landslides, lots of scenarios where people can be swallowed by the earth and make them seemingly disappear

@@EllesGhost13 tell me more!

@@EllesGhost13 i totally just pictured that and it creeped me out bad

Not going to lie, it’s also scary how easy it is to avoid searchers if you really want to - I ran away once as a child due to abuse and I lived in a rural area. There were police, dogs, helicopters, and half the village out looking for me, and I was literally dodging police cars, misleading the sniffer dogs and had helicopters flying right over my head without a single person noticing where I was hidden. A determined person, especially one who knows their way around the area, can slip by unnoticed disturbingly easily.

I dont get, why any1 would let a 14y old go on alone. If the guy going with her turned around, surely her father shouldve insisted, that she could only go, if she stayed with him all the time, and the guy shouldve insisted, that she turn around with him? Not trying to cast blame, I just dont understand why....

@@dfuher968each parent has their own risk assessment to make all day every day, but I wouldn’t have let her out of my sight (or let a random dude accompany her no matter how many old he was). I wandered a lot as a kid and in hindsight I feel very lucky to be alive.

yeah no shit

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​@jkfnp your not the main ch your life wasn't in as much danger as you think hindsight is 20/20 but intill you have a kid and have cared for her every day you learn to trust their judgment she was said to be responsible but no lol you think you know right cause you have context could happen to anyone and judging is actual zero iq behavior like grow up you actual kidless loser maybe if you spent less time on here commenting about what you would you you might actually have a kid

Absolutely agree!! I think his body was hidden up that chimney (or lowered down, that would explain why his hips were dislocated!). You would think that Josh's body would have scrapes and abrasions all over it from him trying to wriggle and shimmy his way out of that chimney, IF he had been stuck in there while alive?

@@gNOme_5 They found him ten years later so he'd be too decomposed for that.

@@AyeliaGDoren I see, even though he was mummified? They said they didn't see any bullet or stab wounds, so I guess I just assumed they would've been able to determine the other possible abrasions as well!

I also agree. Poor kid, maybe he forced him on the roof and made him get inside the chimney. Def foul play with that story, every odd detail was suspicious as heck.

For the law speculation isn't good enough. Only evidence. For example a judge wouldn't say "he seems guilty" or "it doesn't look like ___" Which is why they had to conclude with such a statement. Circumstantial evidence isn't any good.

they stated he was in the fetal position, so the depiction isnt really true to the story

The metal criss-crossing bars were mortared into the chimney and not even removable.

The dude was a mental case

@@Ford17x yeah, andy was a piece of work for sure. Poor Josh.

@@nightcall6386 - maybe Ford17x is Andy

I honestly don't care. Everyone here is a morbidity junkie, it's stupid to pretend these people's deaths are anything but entertainment to us.

Yes, this is one extremely good channel!

Yes. Too many channels like these put emphasis on the gruesome details of disappearances and murders, or even worse, the killers themself. Sadly most of the times the victims get downgraded to a footnote in a story that should be about them.

Some of them cherry pick details that may or may not be a fact.

This is one of my favorite channels!

Yes , I found that story quite baffling , how can someone go missing while walking a couple of blocks to get a lift to work ? And in the day time ? He sounded like a lovely guy too ! Very sad !

Why isn't the brother being questioned? We only have his word that Jason left. The neighbor only reported seeing the brothers getting the garbage in, not Jason leaving.

And why did Jason's brother pretend to be Jason on the phone if only for a little while.

I live in Omaha, I’ve never heard this story. Absolutely baffled me also.

@@Juliet7245Idk if you have family that like to mess with people but answering the phone pretending to be someone else is seen as a pretty harmless prank by most. I’ve answered my relatives’ phones pretending to be them, or speak in a weird voice, just because. Lighthearted trolling? I don’t think he was trying to “cover up his tracks” by pretending to be his brother lol.

She couldn't have gotten very far even if she wanted to because she was wearing flip flops in some rugged terrain. She was with 6 other people plus her father and they had encouraged her to put on hiking boots before venturing out to the lake. Lake itself sits at the bottom of a funnel, so it doesn't take a whole lot of skill to stay on the lake's edge and go around it. Also, there were about 50 other campers on site and the lake's edge is visible from the campsite, so this definitely looks like something unexpected took her.

​@@SunRabbitShe wasn't wearing flip flops, she changed to hiking boots just before going out, on her father's request. Keeping the flip flops may have saved her life...

I agree. Even if you ended up a 20 yards off of some of the trails up there you could easily fall and get injured and disappear into a ravine or something. People underestimate how dangerous the terrain is up there

"she got lost, it started to get dark and she panicked. Very easy to do, trust me." Only if she was a citydweller. "When people panic they tend to go faster and don't think straight." 14 year old me was scared of the dark, but having gown up in the wilds I would not panic. "She may have fallen down a cliff or revine in the dark, maybe even into a river." Fear of getting stuck in a swamp or poking an eye out on a branch is the reason why I would have stayed put when it got dark.

@@baltulielkungsgunarsmiezis9714 But just because something is your experience, that doesn't mean it would be someone else's experience.

Oh God, the CAVES!!!!

And dont dive headfirst into chimneys

Don't forget (if you're a woman) don't use outhouses / vault toilets

@@briggeebee didint the woman live tho?

It's safest to just stay home.

I ate a large breakfast bar before hiking.

From my point of view, it’s a serial killer. Look up Harley Dilly - he was found in the same way. He “shimmied out of his clothes while in the chimney to get more room to breathe” according to investigators. And that someone must have neatly folded them, put his glasses on top, and hung his hoodie on the door. Checks out. 🙄

Unfortunately, I agree with the coroner. This case has all the hallmarks of classic terminal burrowing syndrome. A unique and rare form of hypothermia that can occur in temperatures as high as 60 degrees. More or less, the brain cools down so gradually that the victim doesnt realize its happening. The victim becomes more and more confused and disoriented as their brain shuts down from the body temperature slowly dropping. One of the symptoms is paradoxical undressing where the individual removes their clothes because the primal part of the brain believes they are contributing to the hypothermia, though as seen in many cases, they still might have enough rational thought left to fold the clothes or lay them out. They start exhibiting erratic behavior. And the final hallmark is, as higher brain function closes off, the person will build a shelter, hide behind an object, find a tree or find a cave, curl up in the fetal position and go to sleep, believed to be the brain stem protecting the body in case it warms back up. The existence of terminal burrowing is one reason for my disgust with pallides about the missing 411. He cites serial killers and weird forces, but the reality is, most of the US parks will meet the temperature ranges for TBS or gradual hypothermia at some or all of the year. And many of his strangest cases exhibit all the hallmarks of someone suffering from the condition. Underdressed for the weather, outdoors for extended periods, alone or in an area where they can easily become disoriented or lost.

@@JKSSubstandard but in this case the clothes were found in the cabin and not in the chimney next to the body

​@@JKSSubstandard But would terminal burrowing make you take off your pants, leaving on your shirt, and go climb up on top of a cabin, pantsless, then wriggle headfirst into a chimney, dislocating your hips in the process? To me, that sequence of behaviors seems farfetched, even for a person no longer in their right mind and seeking shelter.

The direct information, not saying the same thing repeatedly, or explaining it as if for toddlers, the diagrams and images Others will jus sit talking in front of their camera, i dont really wanna just watch someone talk Theres also some who will make assumptions without having enough knowledge on the subject This channel is well put together, informative, and still one of my faves

Omm I follow all creepy cases and the only person who holds a chance against SI is wendigoon and they don’t have the same style. But all the other channels that are only the same wave don’t even come close. Goat youtuber goat comment.

It’s his voice.

Believe it or not, it’s the voice that is the why

@@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934 Nah, it's definetely not just the voice for me, but the content of every video

they obviously not alive

@@Blox117never say obviously. People going missing only to turn up alive later do exist.

Some people that go missing are found alive and well, sometimes decades later.

Thank you! I'm always confused when people take the fact that a missing person hasn't been found (or has been found later inside the previously searched area) as proof of someting "weird" or supernatural going on. I once lost my keys in my tiny garden and found it only after half an hour of searching even though it has a bright orange keychain... All I want to say is that it is extremely easy to overlook things, even more so in huge and sprawling landscapes with millions of nooks and crannies.

suicide, obviously

When you lay out the actual concrete details and scrub away the stuff that's unfortunately been added in on the internet over the years, it's not too mysterious. There's some misinformation that's been added in over time, like in a game of telephone, with the retelling of the story and people just repeat stuff without verification because it sounds more compelling and people like mysteries. For one thing, it's never been proven that his clothes were neatly folded inside and the rebar was likely rusted away or easily removable after a few decades past installation; I doubt the 80 something year old man ever checked to see if it was still there. I used to do shit like that as a stupid teenager with my dumb friends - we'd wriggle our ways into abandoned homes/buildings at night to hang out in and check them out. Joshua seems to have been doing the same thing we did back in the day. He tried to slide down the chimney like a worm head first, got wedged in and died a deeply tragic, miserable death. Death by misadventure. I've learned over the years - after many, MANY times - to stop taking everything I hear on the internet at face value, and try to decipher as best I can what's fact and what's likely just been unwittingly added into stories by people on the internet. Sometimes "mysteries" are just simple cases that have been twisted and gnarled by strangers repeating the story over a long period of time and the kernels of truth get buried.

​@@donnydogpiss4533 Did you ever come close to getting stuck down any chimneys?

Well said fren.

@@donnydogpiss4533 Ok, But why would anyone go down a chimney headfirst? That just seems counterintuitive. I feel it would be more likely that he slipped in headfirst and got wedged. I just can't see anybody willingly going down a vertical drop headfirst.

Dont forget naked also trying to go down a chimney.

exactly what I thought, I could just imagine a neighbor he sort of knew asking him for help moving furniture or something to lure him in and that's it..

He's someone's Mr. Gimp now

@@BesoffenerIslamistwhy did his brother joke it was Jason??? Strange?

@@teresaames7902 Uh, no, it's not "strange" lmao.

@@donnydogpiss4533 It is abit weird for the brother to pick up the phone pretending to be his brother the same time he goes missing, not knowing the extent of the convo he might have only given up that "gag" as he got called on it, some people who have done crimes do this kinda think to change the time of disappearance ect. It is a little strange.

Maybe the police was involved.

Not true. A camera lens or cap was found however they are not sure if it was hers.

@@shrimpflea source?

This Man child is spreading misinformation the lens was indeed found by searchers don't let stupid people like this misinform you with their usless lies and if you read the report it was the one she was last said to have on said cam so please do research don't be like Aidan he's a lie spreading loser

@@shrimpflea Even back then they sold generic lens caps for a variety of cameras simply because lens caps tend to get lost. I know this for a fact because my father's been a professional photographer since the 60s. The fact that the lens cap's manufacturer didn't match the camera Stacy was using doesn't mean it wasn't hers.

​@@shrimpflea Nope. Never found. Cite primary source or BTFO.

We don't know that. The first 24 hours are the most crucial in finding a missing person alive. If they knew he was missing, and encountered him in some suspicious situation or with suspicious people, they might have found him.

About what? National Parks are huge, often rugged and mountainous wilderness areas that a lot of people travel to specifically to hike and experience nature. So I would say that it is only logical that more people disappear there than elsewhere...

Would make for good "hunting grounds" for crazy people looking for victims. Just wait for a lone hiker and then do whatever bad thing you wanted. At least some of these cases involve foul play.

@@consciousobserver629The serial killer Israel Keyes had kill kits hidden at state parks around the US.

We have many missing people in state parks in Alaska.

They're called wilderness for a reason. Vast areas of land that's mainly been left alone, no people, lots of animals, dangerous conditions.

Probably wouldn't even need a weapon. Lots of people are willing to help strangers with things. Just think of the girl that gets abducted in Silence of the Lambs. In the movie she willingly walks into the van because she wanted to help.

Good thing Im not a gentle soul. Grandfather has taught me to never ever allow myself to be restrained and fight with ferrosity. For element of surprise I would fain complyance until the oponent lowers his guard.

Hopefully you don’t end up put in an unwilling spelling bee. Cuz you’d be puckt.

Ok, let's walk through stashing a body. You just suffocated somebody for some reason or another. You try to think where to put them. You have an entire woodland to dig a hole. But you insanely assume that dragging a grown adult onto a roof and shoving it down the chimney is a better alternative. A method that not only exposes the body to air to maximize smell, but could rot, come loose, and fall at any point. Plus you keep just a shirt on his body but keep his other clothing neatly folded inside. And you drag furniture in front of the fireplace, maximizing suspiciousness. At the very least would you not toss the clothes down the chimney? I never buy somebody being completely insane but having the presence of mind to dispose of a body. If you are insane you just run off. Disposing of a body makes no sense

@@skeetsmcgrew3282 I'm with you for most of that. But the alternative is someone doing something significantly more insane. I can imagine myself coming up with some ridiculous body stash plan if I'm insane. I can't fathom a level of insanity that has me folding my clothes, then climbing onto the roof, going down the chimney face first, and curling up into a ball. What can we come up with that makes sense? Pointing a gun at him and telling him to dive face first into the chimney?

@@ahrengroesch8774 Someone had the idea that he got locked out while taking a piss or arguing with a secret lover, decided the best way back in was down the chimney, and fell in by accident while climbing over the lip of the chimney. Certainly better than any other idea I've seen

@@skeetsmcgrew3282Maybe his “buddy” who turned out to be a murderer perhaps didn’t have a shovel or is like me and doesn’t like digging. Much easier just to plop someone in an already made hole somewhere and put a “do not disturb” sign over it.

@@joshuahawkins8627 You ever tried to drag 150-250lbs up a ladder onto a steep roof? Most people struggle with a paint can and a brush. Nope, just no way

That couldn't be covered in one episode. It's an epidemic at this point.

@@queenie.lawyergirl.pittymom ive heard about it with the woman in Canada involving a highway where woman just disappear in mass.

Highway 16 / Highway of tears, many cases and doccies about this. Some say there is evidence of multiple serial killers using that area as a "hunting ground". Interesting sht

@truckerrawb4895 they don't dissappear "in mass" lol they dissappear at the same rate as any other group but get much more attention due to their special status.

@taariqkhanoflegend4622 yep, there's thousands of documentaries about it.

@@presidenteden6498 The other guy, Samuel Sherman, has been found. He didn't even know that he is considered as a missing person.

​@@1arttudamn, do you know if there are any videos that cover that case? I thought it was odd that it was glossed over in this video.

Holy sweet motion!!

I worry about that for myself, too, as an autistic person. People can be pretty awful sometimes, and with my decreased ability to read social cues, it’s difficult for me to tell whether someone’s being authentic or not. It’s one of the reasons why we’re at a higher risk of being taken advantage of. (It’s not because we’re stupid.)

@@regularly_priced So carry weapons, and never ever allow yourself to be restrained. If your body is strong the moment they show unmistakable hostility you can take them.

unfortunately lots of people underestimate nature. Popular parks are gonna be especially bad for this because they are visited by many people and include huge swaths of mostly untouched land. Naturally people will have accidents and never be found purely due to the size of the area. Its sad but not very surprising

I believe that a certain type of alien made a deal with the government that they could have bodies without any persecution. This is some bizarre exchange and that's why it happens so often in national parks. Phil Schneider said he built tunnels for high speed transit of aliens and government officials. It's all tied together.

michael salla has a video about project bluebeam that explains a piece of the puzzle.

Over the last half century or so, people have UTTERLY FORGOTTEN how to live in or around the wild places. They don't remember to STICK FRIGGIN' CLOSE to their parties when out there. They're too busy dehumanizing those few of us who have or keep firearms and know what the f*ck we're doing, to stop and THINK once in a while. You'd like to think a bear is a 500+ pound behemoth and EASY to notice a mile away... that a pack of wolves or coyotes are EXACTLY like those damn dogs down the street that just WON'T shut up for 5 damn minutes... Surely, even a bobcat or puma is still BIG, and your neighbor's stupid tabby only weighs about 10 or 15 pounds and sounds like a small ELEPHANT romping over your roof or across your porch raising all manners of hell... Nope... That's just not how Maw Nature likes to play. In the wild places, acoustics are a weird and fickle bitch! Predators "on the prowl" are deathly silent, and you might only get a couple seconds, and you're either doing something (like shoot or fight) or you're already dead. Half rotted trees drop branches regularly, and widow-makers fall from time to time, completely unnoticed by the nearest humans, IN SPITE of the fact that anywhere from 500 pounds to several TONS of wood just crashed down in the woods... That STUPID riddle asks, "If nobody's around when a tree falls in the woods, does it still make a sound?" Well, from personal experience, about half the time, the g** d*** thing doesn't make a PEEP even when you're RIGHT THERE to hear it! SO what can WE learn??? Well, for starters, NEVER EVER be out of eye-sight from the rest of your party for more than a couple minutes... long enough to poop and stand back up to wave... You don't have to be chained together at the hips, but keep EYES on each other. MAYBE 100 feet or at most (while you're armed) even 100 yards distance is good enough for some space to breathe when you're out there... Otherwise, ALWAYS move in at least pairs... You're better off in 3's, if we're honest. With pairs, at least, one person CAN go get help after doing what little they can to stabilize the injured... BUT it's not great. In 3's, one can sit aside, keep a watch and defend the injured as much as anything, while the third runs for help... DO THAT as much as you can. You can be alone in your thoughts with someone else just about 100 feet off, keeping an eye out for you, making sure you don't slip or get attacked. AND FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST... Get something to defend yourself with. It doesn't have to be a 9mm... An old shotgun or hunting rifle is fair enough, from a lever action 30-30 to a 12 gauge... or anything in between, as far as firearms go, it's plenty... Keep it in good working order, well oiled and clean, and KNOW WHAT THE F*CK YOU'RE DOING WITH IT! YOU bear the full responsibility for it, once it's in your possession. "I'm sorry" doesn't fix what you can f*ck-up hopeless with a gun... so no, it's not a magic cure-all for everything. Those do NOT exist. It's not a mark against you as a human being to have a weapon. It's a mark of stupidity when something is eating your ass with their baked potato because you went stumbling around alone, in the woods, in the friggin' dark, armed with nothing... not even a d*ck in your hands to show for yourself. It's ALWAYS better to have the tool and not need it, than it's ever going to be to need it and NOT have one... I don't care what it is. ;o)

TBF, it's not that weird in Yosemite's case due to its massive visitor influx. My top guess for the particular girl's case is abduction. I know from a bit of experience that wilderness areas attract a high bad-person-per-capita ratio; then add the variables that she was 14, by herself, and according to a Google Maps scan there's a paved road cutting right through the area.

Location beacon

Must be lactose intolerant 😂

Absolutely golden comment

You've heard from my dad?

He didn’t get disappear, he just got lost on his way back from the interview. It’s been 24 years, I’m sure sure he’ll be back any minute now.

my dad be like

Can't answer to all of it but his brother pretending to be him doesn't really surprise me. Brothers do dumb things to screw with one another.

I know. It was what he said about Jason's brother pretending to be his brother on the phone. Then when the person sounds confused and you realize your plan isn't working "ah, I was just joking. Nah, he'll be there soon!"

Yep me too

Where did a kitten learn to type? Now I'm mildly concerned lol

@@abunchahoopla4392 A very specific RU-vid tutorial years ago with only 13 subscribers and 8 views

Advice - Stay away from Missing 411. Paulides distorts a lot of facts to fit his narrative. Also, there is no such thing as "evil". Don't fall for superstitious ideas just because the real answer isn't obvious.

The Missing Enigma is a better channel for these cases.

@@winterhaydn The majority of us know this about missing 411 and look up the info anyway, and the idea of something evil being a serial killer/etc in the forests is still something akin to most peoples definition of evil. I wasn't suggesting ghosts or bigfoot, but something just horrible, hence my word choicing?

Extra if the innocent person was a minority in the South. Because we simply must be terrible.

Par for the course.

@@CaptainRufus as much as I love hating on the South due to them being terrible people that can’t drive, I do have to say that the North isn’t exempt from being racist either. The North can be just as racist in its own way.

@@lealta1481 that may be but its an artform there.

@@CaptainRufus wouldn’t say anything about the South is art.

dude, spoilers...

@@roosterjackson7258 Too effing bad! That will teach you to read the comments before watching the video, genius! LOL!

@@GLING17 tbh i was trying to make a morbid joke about callously treating real people's deaths like the plot of a film...now ive explained the joke, and thus failed

@@roosterjackson7258Insert fart noise [here]

@@roosterjackson7258Good sense of humour though. Even though the first person didn’t appreciate.

I don't think I've heard of that one 🤔 what happens?

@@pandat581 This mother and daughter go on an elevator in this apartment complex, go to the top floor and disappear. The police did a full search of every room in the apartment and surrounding area in case of a s*****e but, they were never seen or found to this day. Happened in 2008 and I think it might have appeared in a Scary Interesting vid at some point

My best theory for that one is that the woman was trying to get herself and her child away from her husband, who I read somewhere else was abusive. She did remove their jackets and shoes in the elevator & when she 3xited, it was on the 11th floor and she then entered a stairwell (that apparently didn't have a camera, nor did most of the hallways or anything). A suitcase was also found at the top of those stairs. It's very possible she knew someone in the building (it was mixed business and residential) and they disguised them and got back k out of the building before the building security started searching for them, which wasn't until a good bit after they'd left the elevator. It wasn't until then that they started looking closely at everyone leaving so they easily could have dressed the woman completely different and even ma6be hidden the little girl in a case or something so it didn't look like a woman and child leaving the building in the time before the search started.

Did they check the elevator shaft above and below? Some dodgy elevators in asia

​@@mommy2libras sounds most plausible scenario

He „ax“identially fell on an ax

As he was trying to pull the axe out of a piece of wood it flew out of his hands over his head and landed directly on it. It could happen.

Did he have information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton? Or was he a Boeing whistleblower?

Ever see the movie Desent ? about a young man and his brother go caving in Nutty Putty Caves and he gets stuck. It's a sad and heavy case, not for light viewing.

​@@lorimiller4301that's not what the movie Descent is about at all, it's about a group of women who are going cave exploring and run into supernatural killer creatures, nothing based in reality at all.

@@Kayla4217 I thought the creatures were perhaps offspring of trapped cave explorers who'd basically spent their whole lives in that cave, as really old caving equipment was found which implies this.

@@abigail3383u really missed the boat on that one, the old caving equipment (and the fucking human remains) implied that the cave HAD been explored previously but no one made it out hence no maps, the creatures were there all along and it's believed such things actually exist there is interdimensional beings that come and go from uninhabited places all the time idk about savagely killing people but sometimes they take them with them hence the disappearances IRL

@@abigail3383 the old cave equipments just to show that people have been there before the girls when they thought they were going to unexplored caves, the creatures would have needed millions of years to evolve that much, pretty sure the accepted theory is that they were ancient humans like cavemen that went in and just didnt come back out

But they saw him say goodbye so there's no way

@@justmanic9673 Who saw him say goodbye?

@@denilla8034 The other campers

@@justmanic9673 I don't see how that's possible when he "walked with her for a half mile to a mile". I've never been to that campsite, but it's hard to imagine that visibility would allow them to see that far

@@denilla8034 It was the guides who saw them separate.

exactly! especially on that owner covering his own ass smh.

I agree, who is going to hide a body in a chimney, when the outdoor provides millions of acres of forest. I believe the most logical conclusion is that the young man entered the chimney on his own.

@@benworsham1466 Not really. It doesn't explain WHY he entered on his own. Why take off all of his clothes except the shirt? The video also mentioned that Josh preferred alone time on his walks, so the idea that he ran into someone or a group who dared him to do it is quite weak. Also, asking "who is going to hide a body in a chimney" is a rather useless question, because obviously many killers are known to leave the bodies of victims in strange places (for f*ck's sake, a suspect mentioned that a body was stuffed in a barrel instead of buried). Sorry, but I'm not buying it. I also rather believe that the rebar grid was installed, because 1) it does make sense to keep out pesky animals, and 2) there is likely at least some financial record of the owner ordering the rebar to be installed. Many of these ideas just seem more like excuses than true reasoning.

If he was able to get inside and leave his clothes, then why would he go back out to climb in through the chimney? What's the whole point in that?

If Jason already had access to the cabin in order to put his clothes there then why would he ever enter the chimney? Also if breakfast bar was already in front of it he'd know he wouldn't be able to get out. If some innocent person moved the breakfast bar later, they would have noticed the clothes and either disposed of them or called the police. Most likely he was murdered, shoved in the chimney and the bar moved to further hide the body in the event it fell all the way down at some point. Clothes were probably there before and left as an oversight by the killer.

Do you… not understand what an accident is? If the clothes were folded yes he intended to come back to them. He died *accidentally* so he couldn’t do that.

@@TysonRex37 the clothes were found inside the cabin plus why the hell would he climb into the blocked chimney head first and half naked it doesn’t make any sense at all let alone be considered an accident

@@Imaslutforpuns Got lost in the woods on his hike. Found the cabin. Went inside, took his clothes off. Had to run outside to take a piss and accidentally locked himself out. Decided to try to get back in through the chimney. The rest is history. That’s my theory.

@@hustl3bot the cabin was locked dude there would be no way to get inside besides the chimney and even then the chimney was blocked off on the inside no way you try to spin this it doesn’t sound like a accident also why would he get completely naked from the waist down if he could just whip out his bird and go anywhere he want 💀

@@Imaslutforpuns and you think a more plausible explanation is someone stripped him and shoved him into the chimney? Lmao

I got lost in wilderness area. I was hiking near a lake and somehow messed up on which trail I was on. Luckily I was by a lake and used the lake to guide me back ( still on trail). I kept the lake in sight and knew parking lot was near lake. Your experience would be frightening mine not so much. There were people in the area so if i got deperate i could have yelled for help and the lake wasn't that big. This little experience for me outs in perspective how easy it can be to get lost in large park.

The problem with that is the missing person went in a line but you as a search team have to search the entire circle since you don't know which direction they went in. The wider the radius the more impossible it becomes to search the area properly.

Occams Razor. The simplest explanation is the most likely.

How could he have locked himself in a cabin that was already locked. And why would you fold your pants? Where was his underwear?

Wouldn’t you just kick the door in or break a window? No way that Andy scumbag stuffed his body down the chimney. Can’t believe the POS got away with three murders.

makes no sense since the chimney was blocked off, meaning that if he was alone in that house all this time he would be the one to do that and it wouldnt make no sense for him to try and enter through the chimney given that it was blocked

But why Head first?

What the music called ?

Alaska, Washington and Oregon are some strange places when it comes to missing people.

What part of Alaska?

I have hiked alone in the Sierra Nevada mountains for over 25 years. Never had any issues.

You lucky sole

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Idk man I think its more plausible that he was inside the cabin, took off his pants then went outside for something, but found the door had locked/ was stuck and decided that he could get back in through the chimney and got stuck as a result. Then the fireplace could have been blocked later on by someone else trying to contain the smell of a dead animal not realizing that someone's loved one was inside. I just can't see why a person or multiple people who committed a homicide would go through all the work and risk of getting caught/spotted by hauling a body onto the roof and into the chimney.

@@RRMarzz144 - I definitely hear you on the whole chimney issue. In fact I dont think I can ever remember when a person was murdered then neartly stuffed down a chimney. Wasn't he the guy who also had some serious emotional problems also, my memory is a little off today because of the 2 stories back to back with 2 males about the same age. So yes. That being said I tend to agree with your theory the more I think about it. I mean you hear about people getting stuck in much stranger places right.

I’m so happy

@@michaelatracey9076 Congrats?

Or better yet, say no. They just got there and had plenty of time plus he was the parent.

​​@kennethbryant5819 helicopter parents to the rescue 🎉

@@kennethbryant5819 was she underage? I thought she was an adult. If so, how could he parent an adult

I highly recommend the podcast called The Vanished for missing person cases. It’s soooo good

Thank you both !! I want to follow more channels like these but don’t know where to start or what to search sometimes. I also would like to recommend “MrBallen” he has two channels i believe i only follow one where he tells story’s of the “missing 411” cases & also other stories. If you enjoy podcasts videos his second channel is all about it 🙂👍🏽

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😆😂😂😂 right....(ahhh sarcasm 👏👏👏 This channel is the best but....some of the comments are freaking bonus.😢

" You can't see the forest for the trees" I can when driving down road with no intentions of stopping.

Most of em are just unsolved murder or kidnapping cases. When nature is involved usually it's just a case of them getting lost or stuck somewhere. Or an accident occurs like a rock slide or they have a fall or something that kills or injures them.

But think of the literal billions of things people do every day and nothing bad happens. Billions.

LIAR

You will make a great missing 411 case, Stevie

@@BesoffenerIslamist Things went silent for a moment and a wave of dizziness came about. Now things are different. I look around and the post office lady has a mustache and gas prices are in hogshead measurements. Have I leaped into your dimension?

Oh, it was abduction for sure! Of the extraterrestrial 👽 kind!

Yeah, the "It's too remote to get abducted" explanation doesn't sit well. I guess they couldn't find enough evidence to pursue the idea, because it's completely possible. Maybe less likely than getting stuck or attacked by animals, but not unheard of.

Seems plausible but I still think the most likely theory is that she got lost and fell into a hole of some kind. If she got lost it wouldnt be very hard for her to end up way outside of the expected search area. Then with the rough terrain and vegetation cover it doesn't seem unlikely she wouldn't be easily found.

I have been in that area before. I don't see how anyone could be abducted and not noticed. It's not like there is a road where you can just trow someone in a van and drive off. They would have had to carry her out many miles. Seems highly unlikely.

@@shrimpfleayou have to literally ride in on horseback all these people with their stupid ass theories clearly have never seen the actual area and think they know better than the FBI and 30+ years of searching and investigation lmao there's much to suggest something is not of the ordinary in that case

Most missing people are found safe and well.

@@mjanny6330 and some go off to commit suicide

I mean it basically is a podcast. Just open up the RU-vid app and click a video and set it to 144p. That's what I do at my job

I feel like that mindset it more confirmation bias. Plenty of people go missing and are then found by police rapidly. We just only hear about the times where they aren't found because "Local adult reported missing by family, found two hours later by police at the store" isn't a very good story.

This is such stupid thinking, yes over generalize and not get help that has proven to be necessary in many cases. Shit even in the stories told her on this channel police to engage and find people like the boy who was found in the snow and because they did have a search he lived...

You're suffering from what's called "algorithm induced psychosis" continuous exposure to rare events through internet usage has led you to believe they much more common then they actually are.

@@et3182 If they were found two hours later at the store, the police weren't really needed, were they? So there's still no point calling them.