The CW Arrowverse Shows Were Never Good 

Daredevil Solos the whole Arrowverse. Althought really like Superman and Lois Did my math wrong. 23, 45 minute long episodes is over 10 hours.

Personally I just like the overall story in Flash Seasons 1-2 and some of the execution. Whenever there's an episode that hits it does HIT but the filler kind of overshadows it

Madvocate explaining why The Flash is bad: "Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk. Don't stop to talk." "There's no where to run!" *villain runs away*

I really hope that Superman & Lois doesn’t go down with the CW.

Hello, Tex. I love the Arrowverse, even though, shows like - Batwoman, Supergirl and Naomi are largely disappointments. The rest of them, I love. Some of the shows get worse over time, but when you really take the time, to watch all the seasons of the respective shows, it gives you a full scope, of everything that they've done. The Flash season 1 and 2, along with Legends of Tomorrow season 1, Arrow Season 1 and 2, Superman and Lois and Stargirl, I think are top tier comic book shows. However, I understand if someone watched the bad part of those shows, but there is alot of good, with in that universe. So many episodes and seasons, the universe is still going as well, with no signs of stopping. Well, Terrance will be there for it all, as I've been there since Arrow Season 1 episode 1. TERRANCE OUT

Stargirl and Superman & Lois are some of the best comic book shows. The sad thing is that people tend to avoid them after getting to know that they are on the CW. Stargirl is literally written by the creators of the character and comic book writers who have written the JSA for years. You should give it a chance.

Superman and Lois is legit a great show and is probably the best and most mature thing they've ever made. Beats the other arrowverse shows easily and I'm surprised that not a lot of people really talking about it. Wacks like CW arrowverse shows have dedicated fanbases who go crazy over the dumbest things they show. They just accept whatever is shown to them but unfortunately, comparatively, Superman and Lois isn't getting the same amount of love from fans.

Sorry but I have to disagree. I know they're mostly garbage now, but for what they were back in the early Arrow and Flash days they were fun to watch at the very least. Black Lightning was solid and Legends of Tomorrow knows it's stupid at this point and that's what makes it fun and I still watch it to this day. And of course Stargirl and S&L are good.

You should watch Gotham, the cgi holds up, and the story and character development is much more noticeably better than the cw shows. Not to mention gave us a badass Alfred and a perfect Joker

You should definitely make a video about the Netflix Marvel shows, more specifically Daredevil and The Punisher

Arrow season 1 and 2 would've definitely benefitted from being tv ma to fully delve into the darker moments it was trying to portray. They are a lot like Daredevil in that aspect aside from the filler episodes. They have dark and very nuanced villains much like Kingpin in season 1, and a hero that is willing to go far to stop the villain. I would've like to see Green Arrow do more with his bow rather than everything being neck snaps

The main problem with the Arrowverse is that the episodes are too long. Arrow only needs 30 minutes and maybe a To Be Continued to catch the criminal(s). Flash and Supergirl don't need 45 minutes, which might be 3 to 4 days to catch the criminal(s). Two fifteen minute shorts per week and a To be Continued would greatly improve the CGI and actors performance.

One big problem is that even with low cg budget, they could do so much with what they have. Each episode is 45 mins. Most seasons are around 20 episodes. That’s an insane amount of time to adapt a ton of stories. They could adapt like 3 stories in one season, and blend it so that they don’t need to bring a new villain every week. I could only wish the shows (mostly talking about animated shows) could have this much screen time.

I used to love these shows until it got too overwhelming to keep up, since they decided to add like 20,000 separate heroes to 50 different shows. I just didn’t have the time, and since the quality of writing dropped significantly, I just didn’t bother.

They need to make more DCEU shows like Peacemaker.

The biggest problem (as with a lot of shows) is the number of episodes. Cut the number down to 13 or so and a lot of the issues with these shows will be fixed. The Story will get better, the CGI will improve (since there is a lot less VFX shots), and viewership will increase because of this. Look at any show *stares at Breaking Bad* that uses around 13 episodes and you will notice this.

"RUN, BARRY, RUN!!!" "THINK, BARRY, THINK!!!"

Dude, if we had a Flash show on HBO Max, that'd be amazing. Superman and Lois is already pretty great, if it had a better budget, it'd be up there with Doom Patrol and Swamp Thing imo.

Once the Arrowverse actually started to have competition, they were immedietely blown outta the water. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. and Daredevil singlehandedly put the entire Arrowverse to shame. Not to mention the later DC shows like Doom Patrol.

My main problem with the flash (this is the cw show I watched the most) is that he didn’t use his powers correctly for example when fighting someone he’d run and stop even though even if wasn’t running his reaction would still be insane and would never get punched but he still somehow loses and if the show went by their own logic then most of the villains Barry fights wouldn’t even be a fight and Barry would win with no difficulty (Tho not against Thrawn)

I would pick the dceu over the arrowverse anytime

I’d be curious as hell to hear what Tex thinks about Smallville. Since it was the show that preceded the whole Arrowverse.

Season 1 flash villains of the week did contribute to the storyline a lot lol like when Thawne helped him phase or when he beat that one dude with sonic Gauntlet’s or Snart and his partner

For Arrow I was a fan until S5, then I stopped watching because real life caught up with me. Same with The Flash, except in that case it was s4. Legends of Tomorrow I stopped watching halfway through S3 because it was getting just too crazy. Never got into the others.

Would love to see you review Stargirl. It is really different than the other CW shows, though that makes sense since it originally wasn't. As for me, I was all in on the Arrowverse, at least in the beginning. Alays still liked Arrow decently enough, even though it did some big stupid stuff, and Flash was decent outside of its main vallains, most seasons. What killed it for me, besides them ending Arrow was all the political and social commentary. Not saying I'd ever agree with most of the political views of the writers, but they just did it so badly. Like it'd just take you out of watever stroy was going on at the time. I've heard talks of some continuation projects and if those do come about, I'll likely watch them, but besides that, the universe is dead to me.

That bit at the end was great.

I was a bigger fan of the majority of the earlier seasons, and I can agree that the newer seasons of a lot of the older shows have gotten pretty bad. However, I honestly feel like I've invested too much time into this universe that if I just stop now before it ends then all of that time will have been a waste. And I mean, I probably would never have actually watched Superman and Lois or Stargirl if I never kept up with the shows which would be a big shame because both are great. Stargirl is a little cheesy due to it literally being a bunch of high school students either fighting other high school students or just fighting adults, but it's still great. So I'm more or less just going to see it through to the end (unless I die before it ends, in which case, nice knowing you, Tex).

I gotta disagree with you here. Arrow and The Flash were great and refreshing during the first two seasons, the quality did take a huge dive though.

I like your videos, Tex. Subscribed👍

I'd say I had the same mindset as your friend. I was hyped when I discovered Arrow because the character only ever had appearances in DC animated movies/shows and while I love them I longed to see the Green Arrow appear in a live action feature. When it did, I was in. I fell off the show, not because of time, but like you mentioned, realized it was more of a melodrama soap opera rather than an actual story about the hero itself. Same goes for Flash, before the show, his live action appearances were scarce and not so well done in my opinion. Slightly before they announced the show, I was in some sort of "Flash craze" where I was interested in the hero and its power and was reading a lot on him. I was in because of that. What made me leave the show (I think it was season 4 with the brain dude) was the number of episodes, the anecdotal "freak of the week" villains and very cheap budget, I mean Savitar (season 3) had like just a few running animations that were constantly being reused and his normal appearance was, and I'm not joking, some sort of plastic-cardboard costume

Smallville is the DC series that Truly paved the way for the Arrowverse. It's why there have been specific moments in crossovers like elseworlds such as using the Kent farm set and playing the "Save Me" theme song as ways to honor the show. It was the Godfather of the modern DC shows especially ones on the CW. It wasn't perfect but still an incredible show. One that I grew up with and made me love the character of Superman and the DC world as a whole.

I heavily disagree. The CW was AMAZING in 2012-2014. Arrow’s early days are the DC version of Daredevil to that fanbase to me.

Nice Madvocate reference near the end

At the time Arrow Season 1 and 2 and Flash season 1 and 2 were great. But then shows like Daredevil came out and set the bar higher then any series out there. It was the breaking bad of superhero television and after it came out small cracks became ravines of problems. It’s too long Story is mediocre Bad CGI or fight scenes So much filler Horrible horrible show runners(I mean the new show runner literally threatened to make more seasons of the flash after the backlash of season 7…yikes) As for recently HBO has done a great job at reinventing the arrow verse. S&L and Stargirl while aren’t Daredevil level are great in their own right. They fix all the problems mentioned above and I genuinely get excited when they come on every week. So hopefully HBO buys the CW and they can build a new and better universe in the coming years. But only time will tell. Great video! :)

Arrow had its flaws but when u complete all 8 seasons it was one of the greatest journeys to follow!

Even as someone who liked the arrowverse I agree. I think what made the arrow verse so special for me at the time was it was one of the first networks really attempting to have a shared universe on the big screen. But then Daredevil happened and it blew everything out the water lol. As a former fan I really do like a lot of the ideas the arrowverse have but even after all these years it really seems like the cw doesn't understand that just having 13 episodes on these shows and not streching out the runtime would do them so much good.

i’m still an arrowverse fan, though i’ve dropped some shows and am either not watching them or slowly getting through em. like supergirl. i watched the first few episodes of season 6, and then dropped it for awhile as it’s a literal trainwreck. i watched naomi’s first episode and thought it was super boring so i dropped that. batwoman is a slog to get through, usually just watch it when i want to turn off my brain. legends is ok, but they’re going the doom patrol route and making everything meta and a little too jokey. flash the past 4 seasons was AWFUL, but season 8 so far has been fantastic, a big return to form i think. superman and lois is definitely my favorite show of them all, feels much more like a superhero show, since there’s no huge team where everyone has powers, i.e. no “Team Superman”. i was caught up on everything pre-crisis, but ever since COIE, it’s like the quality on most of the arrowverse shows took a nosedive. like they had this whole event “destroying” the multiverse to put supergirl and black lightning on earth-prime, but then they went and canceled both of their shows, so what was the point of it? feels like there’s little to no stakes now in the current arrowverse lol

The thing is people started watching these shows when they were teenagers and didn’t realize how bad they were until they grew up, but still had the fond memories of watching the earlier seasons.

completely agree with your friend, i liked the early seasons of arrow and the flash because there weren't many other forms of media for those characters at the time. i personally really like season 1 of arrow, although i do skip some of the fillers

Tex, I want to hear your opinion on Smallville.

I used to love the Arrowverse but now I'm getting tired of it and it honestly getting worse overtime that all I want is to end it all because let's face it Crisis should have ended and it was a terrible Crossover that it was the last straw,CW deserves what's about to happen.

I became a fan of the arrowverse shows after the flash started (I only watched a little bit of arrow) and that was the one that I kept up with the most. I did eventually move over to certain shows like arrow, but never fully committed to watching them and I was pretty much slowing down how much of the flash that I watched after season 5 or 6. Tbh I can't even watch a full season or episode on Netflix without skipping to an episode/fight that I really enjoyed (I'll also just randomly look up clips and watch them on RU-vid). Edit: Like a lot of people have already said, Superman and Lois is the exception and maybe stargirl, but I haven't watched it.

I used to like series like Arrow and The Flash. Then I saw Daredevil.....

You should watch Madvocate's videos on The Flash. They are gold on how convoluted the logic is

CW DC shows for me are very dragging. The story mostly started really good but then sinking slowly like Titanic. Like you said, too much fillers. Should've been made like 10 or 12 episodes per season instead of 22 or 23. Making it more compact & more focused, thus the story could've been more engaging.

I love the cw arrowverse shows and I still watch them because there are good parts about It. I think something that would get rid of most of the problems would be the amount of episodes, there’s a reason why shows like daredevil are so much better. They have less episodes, if the flash had less episodes they wouldn’t need a lot of filler which would solve a huge problem and since the budget will stay the same it will make the cgi better since there’s less episodes and on top of all that the writers won’t be very stressed because they won’t have to write as much as before, so this would mean the quality of writing would increase. In the flash season 8 there was a lot of good parts so I think with less episodes that would solve alot of problems (potentially)

I agree with some of your points, and I really appreciate that you werent one of those idiots who tried to claim these shows were *objectively* bad, because objective quality is a myth. I’ll also readily admit that there’s been some truly awful stuff in these shows. Most of them are riddled with flaws. And yet, I find myself enjoying them more than I currently am the marvel cinematic universe. I love these shows, in part *because* of their flaws, because it makes them feel less like a machine put them out the way big-budget films with similar characters do these days. These shows aren’t created by committee and pushed out for global appeal, and I love that about them. And yeah, some of them are a joy to watch for me-Batwoman and Superman & Lois are currently some of my favorite shows airing. A story doesn’t have to be perfect for us to love it, and someone else not understanding why I might love Batwoman doesn’t mean I’m wrong to love that show anymore than me hating Ryan Reynolds’ Deadpool films means there isn’t a legion of fans begging for more. We don’t have to love the things someone else loves, but we should respect that they love it and not try to prove them “wrong” somehow.

Tried watching the entire Arrowverse a couple years ago, and it took me an entire year to get to the point in the chronological order of the first season of Black Lightning. The filler was the main issue for me and I could never pick up the show after skipping a lot of the Arrowverse for Crisis on Infinite Earths, which even then was mediocre and disappointing.

Nothing can beat DareDevil

I got the first four seasons of the flash to rewatch the show. I couldn't finish season 2.

Daredevil makes these shows look like Dogwater i’m sorry that was an insult To the dog water

BRUH BLACK LIGHTNING WAS ⚡️⚡️⚡️10/10 #FACTS

I watched the Flask until season 5. I checked in during the first half of season 6, pretty good, and I watch the crossovers but apart from that it dropped completely and I never watched the other shows.

What’s your opinion of Legends of Tomorrow. That’s the only one I watch anymore.

It's one of those things like Titans were it has potential and is good at times, but keeps disappointing me to the point where I give up on it entirely

what do you think of the netflix marvel shows tex?

You hit the nail on the head with this one. I began to notice how terrible the writing, storylines, villains, and filler episodes there were until I was well into season 5 of Arrow and like season 4 of Flash. I was turned off at the melodramatic scenes and it’s characters. Then it’s this narrative that everybody shared: “I lied to protect you” mess.. it got tiring at that point. However I thought the crossovers were cool until they tried to do Crisis on Infinite Earths WITHOUT Batman, Wonder Woman and the main Justice League characters. It was cringy to watch ESPECIALLY when some of the storylines didn’t add up to the comic books. And I think that’s what most of us wanted to see at least. Sn: we were robbed of an Oliver and Laurel relationship. They got Barry and Iris right but dang…. I’m just saying lol

I agree that the seasons are way too long but I do love the first two seasons of the flash and I love Arrow with the exception of season 4 and 6, legends of tomorrow was good for the first three seasons and I don't care about supergirl, but it's nice to see another opinion even if it's pretty close to yours.

I love arrow and the flash seasons 1-2 but you are right about the seasons being too long and having random filler content. I gave up on all the cw shows 3 years ago.

I overall enjoyed the first couple seasons of flash. After a while they introduced too many side characters. The got more boring and boring

Season 1 flash was really good and I liked. How much of a menace reverse flash was and arrow season 1 was great

I never really understood people comparing streaming shows to tv shows. Compare daredevil to the hbo max shows like doom patrol or titans And compare arrowverse to agents of shield, runaways, inhumans etc🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

The main problem with the Arrowverse to me is BAD WRITING. I do agree that the shows are long and they have 22 to 23 episode seasons but the horrible writing and dialogue is on a new level of cringe I've never seen before. Best Example of a show with good writing and dialogue but 22 episode seasons is Supernatural seasons 1-5 when the CW was known as WB. Yeah they had filler episodes but they were so damn good and engaging.

I haven’t ever heard your opinion on the Netflix marvel verse. Do you like it?

I liked the first seasons of Arrow and Flash, and didn't mind watching Supergirl because of the crossovers, as well as Legends. What I liked most was that they were the only DC with a connected universe that was also expanding and adding old universes, like 90s Flash, Smallville, 2005 Superman, and all the other small ones like Constantine. Watching the last seasons was difficult because they were trash, but I had put so much time to it that I felt that if I didn't end the story it would have been in vain. I left the Arrowverse after Crisis on Infinite Earths. I would have love a good Suicide Squad and Justice League in the Universe.

I’m one of them people who are obsessed with Arrowverse. I have seen all shows up until Superman and Lois. Currently rewatching it all up until Superman and Lois. On Arrow S1

I think season 1 and 2 of Arrow was really good, was good for Season 3 with Ra's al Ghoul, then meh for season 4 and 6, got good again in season 5 with Prometheus and season 7 was alright with Ricardo Diaz. Season 8 was ok, but it was basically just filler lead up to the meh Crisis event. The Flash, Bad CGI aside except for Grodd and King Shark, Season 1 and 2 I thought were really good and had surprises, but unlike Arrow, Flash never got back to being good, each season had moments but ultimately were worse than the last. I usually like to say that Arrow and Flash Season 1 and 2 threw out the cliche super hero book, Main characters died and good guys lose badly, but (mainly for The Flash) they brought the cliche book back and lost their creativity.

Flash was great but since the 5th season everything has changed

Could you do a video series on the Netflix shows?

8:05 - 8:07 - I see you've watched Madvocate's videos breaking down the Flash fight scenes?

Im still a fan andd am currently watching...

I love how infamous "There's Nowhere to Run" has become amongst The. Flash critiques😂😂😂

Even though Superman & Lois is TECHNICALLY an Arrowverse show, HBO MAX produces it, they just air live on the CW. That’s why the production of the show is so much better in the first season. I haven’t checked out season 2 yet, because I’m waiting on it to be put on HBO MAX

The DC CW shows is what happens when DC is using the MCU formula with a TV budget.

I got a Madvocate recommendation because of this Video nice... Imma watch it again!

Have you seen the madvocate flash videos

So we all know how you feel about the CW shows, is there a chance we'll see videos about the DCAU and the Marvel Netflix Universe next?

I 100% agree with you on this and I never gave a single shit about this channel

On the topic of The Flash being like a soap opera, it felt like every couple of episodes at least in the first two seasons, Barry would say to Joe West that he isn't his father, or Team Flash have some fight for no reason.

Do you have an opinion on Gotham?

I couldn't tell whether it was a clickbait title or your actual opinion until I realized, there were no quotes

Off topic but when are u going to review Scream 5? My movie?

I hear what your saying but I would have to disagree but I respect your opinion The cgi never really bothered me to much and neither did the fight scenes or the costumes and I found some of the filler fun some of it boring I liked the villain of the week idea but I feel like it would work better with 10 to 13 episodes

That ending at this video got me.

My favourite Superhero TV show is still Smallville. It wasn't perfect by any means but it holds tons of nostalgic value for me.

I mainly only watched the flash, up until season 5, which i only watched two episodes of. While i somewhat liked the story and characters, (i prefer grant gustin's flash over ezra miller's) i always thought the fight scenes were slow and underwhelming. Season 3 was my favourite, 2 had my favourite episode, 1 was a decent start and somewhat true to the character's comic story, and i could barely finish season 4 because it was so boring, although it did have 1 or 2 funny episodes. I have always preferred the comic series of the flash instead of the tv show. (On a side note, i also attempted to watch legends of tomorrow - didnt end up watching the last epiode lol)

It is the Berlanti method. Step 1. Establish a main character like Arrow, Flash, Supergirl or Nightwing. Step 2. Establish a group of supporting characters like Team Arrow, Team Flash, the Superfriends or the Titans. Step 3. Pad the series with episodes that focus on side characters. Step 4. Profit.

I will always like The Arrow and the Flash first 5 season

none of the shows will be cancelled since they're literally what makes the CW worth buying.

The crossover episodes are really good tho

I liked Arrow at the beginning, but Flash… Can’t sit thought a single episode. I think the stigma of the later season reinforce my laziness on watching the show, my friend loves the CW shows too and always tells me to give it a shot. Back when Arrow was just starting it all made sense and the story was able to match the budget. But now I think the story and concepts have become way way too bloated and don’t fit the budget they have.

At one point I was trying to watch everyone of the shows just for crossovers and crap like that. But there was just to much to watch and I eventually fell off watching them. I was struggling when there was only four shows I couldn’t imagine trying to watch the six of them. But you kinda have to watch them all just cause of the crossovers. Not only that but the quality for the shows have went down significantly

Legends S1 & 2 are the only rewatchable seasons of the Arrowverse. Now that DC are trying their hand at Superhero shows even in the DCEU I've found myself either waying HBO Max DC shows like Doom Patrol or Titans.

First 2 seasons of arrow are awesome I think if I rewatched early episodes of the flash id probs hate it nowadays and seasons 2-4 of legends are always fun

I watched Arrow Season 1 and 2. Never watched a full of episode of the Flash. I did watch Season 3 of Legends of Tomorrow. I think that covers everything

Checked out of Flash after season 5 although it started dropping off long before then. Checked out of Legends Of Tomorrow around season 3 and Supergirl after season 4. Was always off & on with Arrow and never liked Batwoman. I did enjoy Black Lightning but that had its flaws too. But yeah, looking back the Arrowverse was decent to mediocre to bad. And the Flash's costumes were *always* terrible. After seeing how great Superman & Lois is in both writing and production quality (I know it's technically an HBO Max presentation), the Arrowverse looks like something from the 90s compared to that.

Being a lot younger definitely played a big factor in the enjoyment. In retrospect they weren't abhorrent but weren't very good either. The current state is a different story...

These shows (even Smallville) have always ran much closer to One Tree Hill than their blockbuster superhero counterparts or even other superhero shows (Daredevil, Doom Patrol ect.) to which I actually appreciate as it feels much different than the aforementioned superhero media out there. This is not a comment about the shows quality but more of it's categorization.

I was literally just about to watch legends of tomorrow and then this video caught my attention

I probably used to be one of the biggest arrowverse fanboys mostly because of flash season 1-2 and arrow season 1,2 and 5. But now they’re all bad. I used to watch every show but now I don’t watch legends, couldn’t stand bat woman, stoped black lightning after season 1, supergirl was always bad and I’m glad arrow finally ended. I only watch the flash cause it’s one of those shows that I need to finish. Season 1 and 2 of it are my favorite tv seasons ever. But I can see why people wouldn’t like the shows at all and I won’t try and argue that you’re wrong cause everyone had their own opinion. At one point they were good and about superheroes developing themselves over a season so that they can eventually beat the big bad. Just gonna say the flash season one had those filler episodes so that Barry could learn how to use his powers to his full extent and defeat reverse flash eventually because he learned from those experiences . But now all the shows are drowned out by this character needing a love interest and it’s about feelings and it’s just bad. That’s my take on it