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I literally got monsters and mazes as a surprise gift for my buddy's birthday because he didn't know it existed and now he saw this and wants to get a copy -__________-
I grew up in this era, suffered from anxiety and depression as well. Some church folks found out and confronted my mother about why she let me play this evil game. Her response, "Shes interacting with people and doing math!" one of her cool moments.
May I borrow your mother? 😉 Mine demonized (and also hugely exacerbated) my depression, and would have surely burned me at the stake had I been a tabletop gamer. I'm glad your mom had your back, friend.
@@semperfi818 I’ll adopt you. I’m not a tabletop gamer but my boyfriend is and wants to teach our kids various games when they get older. He’s already got our three old obsessed with Breath of the Wild.
Lady: These games are so violence oriented Every DnD game I have ever played: please stop trying to seduce the gelatinous cube I’m not going to let it work
And when that's stated outright, the bard goes "what do I have to multiclass to so I can get it as a pet then?". People really want a gelatinous cube as a pet NPC...
dm: will you stop trying to have sex with everything! me: show the rule where it says i can't! dm: i keep telling you that's no........ me: YOU'RE JUST SCARED OF NEW METHODS! dm: *sighs* ok fine your fighter pulls down his pants...........
My DM: please don’t a Me: I must! DM: You’re trying to help this man! Me: There is no other way! DM: Roll constitution! Me: 12! DM: The farmer simply stares in horror as the dragon born bard jester from the party he hired to kill werewolves, inhales about one ounce of table salt into his nostril.
My dm had trouble finding the powers and moves used in Naruto because one of my dnd members turned into an anime girl from a magical orb and wanted to blast open a door by using anime powers …yknow maybe they weren’t far off when saying that dnd was satanic- /j
Or if you wanna go with video games instead, play any Mario Party game. Or if you want something different and more obscure, break out the PS2 or Wii and play Dokapon Kingdom.
Wait a minute don't you also roll dice every time you try to do something to determine whether you'll intentionally fuck up or try your hardest to succeed? Or is that just me being a masochist.
@gamewizard I "I cast FORCECAGE" *DM reads force cage in a panic, not realizing that the 13th level wizard could cast that, sweating, realizes this cancels out his entire encounter*
@Rechordian Not when you can have the Wizard cast Simulacrum on the Arcane Trickster, have them both hide, make them waste the Tarrasque's legendary resistance, cast polymorph on it until it fails, and then Power Word Kill it.
This guy calling C.S. Lewis's books "occult books" clearly has no idea that the man literally wrote books about his Christian faith...and Tolkien was a self-proclaimed Christian as well...
Yeah. Roman Catholics like me are pretty chill about D&D and books. In fact, we kinda worship Aslan from Narnia as Jesus Christ himself, because he literally is a Jesus allegory
Karens: "Don't let your kids play video games! That'll make them violent!" Also Karens: "Don't let your kids use their imagination! That'll make them violent!"
@@scotthewitt258 my former best friend beileves adolf hitler invinted d and d he thinks d and d is about devil worshipers and killing jews no joke either
I can't remember the name of the movie, but there was a movie I saw that spoke of the real story - how the police simply blamed a murder of a young girl on her brother and his friends because they were D&D players, instead of actually investigating further because it was convenient. They badgered the "suspected" brother of the girl into admiting he committed the crime, which lead to a court case when the parents found out the Police forced they're son into admiting he was the murderer by badgering and lying to him. Meanwhile, the media was spinning the story about how D&D lead to this. Eventually, the real murderer was caught (a typical psychopath that was on parole) and the charges were dropped against the children, but the media continued they're D&D fear mongering.
Sounds like a pretty typical case of a bad cop going for the "obvious" answer instead of following evidence (Its almost always the family, so it's always the family). D&D was just the convenient scapegoat. Poor kid.
@@isauldron4337 That, and possible Police corruption and ignorance. Besides the Investigators in the case not understanding that the toys they found were just toys (like thinking a plastic dagger inspired the kids to use a real knife), there has been cases where the Police would make wrongful arrests and badger people - usually teenagers because they're easier to manipulate - into falsely confessing, and back then it happened quite a lot actually and this story was one such case, because it usually meant less paperwork, less actual work, and extra bucks in they're paychecks for every successful arrest they made. That said, I don't want to give the wrong impression that I believe or say that this happens all the time when it comes to law enforcement - because it doesn't. Just that once in a blue moon it does and has happened before because human beings are human beings, and this was one such case where it came out that it happened.
I can't imagine how nightmarish that would be to DM. Only way I can possibly see playing 16 hours a day is if you have like 30 different campaigns that you jet between every week
Robbie: Obviously has paranoid schizophrenia resulting from the trauma of losing his brother and not receiving closure. This movie: No, Dungeons and - I mean - MAZES AND MONSTERS made him crazy.
I love how in Dark Dungeons they list CS Lewis as one of the occult authors LITERALLY EVERY ASPECT OF THE NARNIA SERIES WERE ALLEGORIES FOR BIBLICAL EVENTS
@@caiawlodarski5339 The movie was, but the comic WAS NOT. The movie was adapted from a Chick Tract. Chick Tracts were a series of comics by Jack T. Chick, who genuinely meant for them to be taken seriously. Also, Chick Publishing (the company that still releases Chick Tracts to this day) is considered an active hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, because of how anti-Muslim and anti-Catholic some of the tracts are.
"Gather up all your occult paraphernalia. The rock music, occult books, including those by C S Lewis and J R R Tolkein!" -- you know, those very publicly Christian writers. These filmmakers were genius, I love it!
The sad thing is, while the movie itself was a parody of a feat-monger comic strip, the actual comic strip DOES specifically call out those two authors. So, yeah...
I heard some guy said Taco Bell was demonic. I can’t even. (Edit: Did I mention that it’s the same guy who dedicated an entire sermon to condemning Pokémon and Magic the Gathering (but more so Pokémon) being demonic while also saying that they’re the same entity because they shared a distributor?)
Kid: is a micromanaged by their parents their entire lives and taught that their self worth is is based entirely on their grades so they block out everything that isn’t work since it’s the only way that they can receive validation from their parents and as a result they become hyper-critical of any flaw that they find in themselves which makes it harder to socialize with others which leads to loneliness which further damages their mental state and reinforces their worldview that the reason no one likes them is because they are failing in someway and when they finally fail due to literally any reason they breakdown believing that since they failed there is no other reason to go on living since no one can ever love them if they are a failure Parents: oh yeah it’s the dnd game that teaches acting skills which have been proven to be good for you oh and creative writing skills, forcing the players into situations where they have to be clever and think on their feet oh also all the math that they have to do
@D Zuke um, did you read my post? I’m saying that if you teach a kid to associate grades with parental love, you are not going to get a healthy person. I’m not saying to cuddle your kids, I’m saying not to emotionally abuse your FRIKIN kids.
My mother once directed a production of “She Kills Monsters,” a D&D gamer girl play that’s also a lesbian coming-out story, and it was performed in a small theater below a church, and the bishop went to see it and wrote my mother a letter about how much he loved it.
That's so cool! I love hearing about obviously religious people who actually love thy neighbor and can see stuff like DnD or Pokemon for what they are - fun ways to spend time with with your imagination and friends.
Most adventures. It's like saying Doom is trying to see you become a devil worshiper. I'm pretty sure Doom is the opposite of that just after 15 seconds of watching the games.
@@alnu8355 doom is a devil worshipping game meanwhile: in doom you stomp on a demons head so hard that it pops like a balloon and rip one in half with your bare hands.
The lawful good paladin who just wants to save all the NPCs, social good druid who I have never seen actually attack any monsters and true neautral cleric who comforts characters with tragic backstories from my campaign...do they sound dangerous???
Can't wait for the sequel: SYNDICATE, the true story of how playing Monopoly turned our youth into ruthless capitalists. *It's not whether you win, it's who you killed to get there*
It's absurd. Lewis was a Christian for much of his life, and was able to incorporate religious themes without his novels turning into a sermon. Similarly, Tolkien also worked religious symbolism into his novels. So no, not occult authors at all.
@@thomasoates3003 Yeah, though I would say that Tolkien wasn't trying to create allegory, rather he used Christianity, along with many other ancient and contemporary religions, as inspiration for his world, especially in the Silmarillion. I can see how these super-fundamentalist evangelicals could see that as "demonic", though it's still stupid.
@@goldh2o543 Tolkien wanted to introduce Christian values in a pagan world, mainly the Christian core ideas on free will. In a way Tolkien shows how non-believers, who have no idea of god, can be proper Christians, which is a point of view actual Christianity desperately needs. Tolkien's work is what makes me respect some Christian values as an atheist, which is quite the accomplishment.
You would think at some point that people would realize that the presence of popular media in someone's home has very little to do with a crime they committed and more to do with the rest of their life that wasn't involved in that crime.
From paper to video games you will always find people complaining that the newest invention is "ruining the youth" (Seriously you can find quotes condemming the use of paper in schools as then kids won't learn to use the small chalk boards and "you won't always have paper to write on", similarly for lined paper)
@@TheLuckySpades I once found old newspaper segment about how two young boys who committed a murder were addicted to dime store novels, and another that explained reading as something that should be done carefully, and by the right people, almost as if reading was drugs.
@@thrawnnoconnection6931 Ancient Greek philosophers used to condemn *writing* . They said it atrophied the brain and harmed memory capacity. Moral of the story: new media will always be portrayed as evil and used as a scapegoat for bad things.
Dungeons and dragons as portrayed in the media: evil satanic worshippers who want to kill themselves and others Dungeons and dragons players irl: I found this goblin named boblin and he’s my best friend
No but really. I wasn't in this campaign, but i got to hear about it. The party basically adopted this small sized humanoid creature (it's been a while, okay?) that they took on all their adventures. One of the characters got blinded and so the npc sat on their shoulder and helped them aim for ranged spells.
I love Bender’s game for mocking the hysteria To quote RationalWiki of all websites “The difference between Gygax and those who believed he promoted Satanism was that when Gygax pretended to be a righteous crusader against evil, he knew it was all in his head.”
Only time I've ever read RationalWiki was when thex criticize the absolute most insane shit ever Seriously Conservipedia's Math is some of the worst I've ever seen, glad they dug through it, I couldn't possibly finish my degree from brain damage if I trued reading the source
Fearmongering back in the day: "It is violent!" My DnD group last session: Our characters spent the most of it in a spa, bonding, while my character seduced the owner's brother.
@@3baxcb We deserved it. Lol. The session before, we got wrecked in a fight, barely managing to pull through. I had to make 2 death saving throws, and even our tank had, like, 20 hp left. Good times.
@@Grindhouseification Not sure where you're getting that last angle from. From the admittedly limited number of Lifetime movies I've seen, they don't seem to care much for either gender.
If Ben Shapiro was in this movie, I'm surprised his dialogue wasn't "Let's say, hypothetically, that you're playing a game. Let's say for the sake of argument that you've been playing the same game now for years. Wouldn't liberals just censor it? Remember this is all based on feelings. Liberals only use feelings, but we have facts and logic"
@@souljastation5463 My entire comment is a silly joke and not to be taken as any genuine political position. I really don't want this comment to spark a political debate, because RU-vid comments are already the absolute worst. Censorship is always bad, it's hard to find anyone rational who disagrees with that, lets not bicker over which side of politics support it more than the other.
I read that in his weaselly smug voice. Then pictured him going on to bitch about the evils of something else equally benign to rally for it's censorship without openly calling for censorship.
@souljastation5463 It always amazes me how conservative types always complain about "Liberal Woke-ism" and "Cancel Culture" when it was Republican, Reagan loving Baby-Boomers who invented it in the first place. They tried to ban EVERYTHING. D&D, video games, horror movies, the entire genre of rap, the entire genre of heavy-metal, you name it.
Holy shit it worked! My tits grew three sizes, my hair turned black, and I wear only tight black and red clothing This isn’t because of my life choices, 100% D&d cult’s fault......definitely
As a D&D player I can assure you, I have accidentally summoned malicious entities from a literal board game. Please help me, there is a Beholder in my basement.
Dungeons and Dragons is improv acting and in the best case a team-building exercise. There are far more desperate people who did NOT kill themselves because of the outlet and comraderie of a D&D group than disturbed people who killed themselves or others because "You have disrespected Valprex the Depraved for the last time."
I can definetely attest that it's done more good than harm. Especially when you feel isolated in your family because no one takes you seriously. The friendships you forge and the self-discovery you're allowed to explore is worth all the trouble of learning the system. lol
I hate to over-simplify things but D&D was pretty much the only way me and my buddies could've hung out together in the 80's without getting into criminal shenanigans like busting windows and smashing mailboxes for kicks LOL --- I think our parents secretly loved the game for keeping us inside the house instead of running around the neighborhood at night causing trouble
4:06 "You become the game, you ARE the game." flashback to when I was DMing for a group of new players and I explained my role as the DM as "yeah basically, I am the game"
"all three of the killers played DnD" WTH ofcourse there is a huge possibility that they played the game but that doesnt mean that it is what caused the crime Its like saying "all three of them ate hotdogs, so it must be the reason"
Its sad and frustrating when parents cant admit they are shit and may have ruined their child life by being to strict and maniac, and throw all the blame at a game.
You claim that D&D is harmless, but I watched a very compelling documentary about a group of kids in the 80's that summoned a pack of demi-gorgons into their town somewhere in Indiana. Don't believe me? Well, stranger things have happened...
So basically, these movies portray adults’ imaginations in such a way that they lose any and all sense of reality and spiral down into insanity... It’s exactly like society telling us to grow up and be boring like the rest, isn’t it?
That reminds me of Tolkien's On Fairy Stories essay where he defends enjoying fantasy and "escapism" by pointing out that the "real" world was pretty intolerable and escapism was comperable to a man wanting to get out of prison.
When I was young it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical. But then they sent me away and taught me how to be sensible, logical, oh responsible, practical
I find it funny because they're railing against people playing D&D because it supposedly makes people lose touch with reality, but the people who are doing it are themselves going on about witches in their churches and the anti-christ being around every corner.
Here in Brazil we also had one case of murder that for some time was said to be motivated by D&D. Because the girl murdered stayed in the same student logging as guys who played it. Doesn't matter that she and they never met or played together or that she was seen going to the place where her corpse was found with a drug dealer to solve a debt. Or that the responsable for this case was being investigated himself and needed something to change the focus on him. And some of players were actually arrested even before judgment and loss a year of their lives because they judiciary system here is slow, before being released due to lack of evidence against them.
This makes me laugh because I’m a Christian who plays DND, went to a Christian college where half the students there played the game, AND one of my professors even plays as a rouge who he insists wasn’t inspired by John Wick (which it was!)
Thank you very much for this video. Short story: my son (6) love to play Minecraft and build houses and pyramids there. He than excitedly described this game to his teacher. The teacher called me and explained me, how dangerous Minecraft is......what can I say. Anyway, we are still playing Minecraft ;)
If they thought that D&D is a gateway to occultism, imagine their reaction if they discovered Mage the Ascension, a game where you can be a literal occultist doing occult things.
Due to the likes of discord, Roll20, and Tabletop Simulator, there is definitely ways to play tabletop stuff online of all forms. The question is just how hackintosh modding you need to do very specific things.
Very true. No matter how bad the source material and production a good actor will give it everything they have and make themselves the best part of it.
You should watch the D&D episode of Dexter's laboratory. It's much better than these scare films. It's my favorite episode, especially the part where Dexter gets burned by a European dragon, digs to China to escape, then gets burned by a Chinese dragon. Hilarious!
When it comes to real life cases 'blaming' D&D, don't forget that they were usually introduced by the defense teams as mitigation and/or motive. The common (misguided) attitude towards RPG's encouraged this as a way to influence the jury.
back in around 81 when i was only like 9 my father rented out our extra bedroom to a friend of his from work, the friend was also a college student and a huge gamer and got my dad and a few other friends into playing D&D which i also got to join in and enjoy. my father had been a big Tolkien fan and he loved the story telling aspect of being the dungeon master. unfortunately my father always had a lot of health problems and one of the times he was in the hospital he had some sort of experience he never went into detail about and became born again. he continued playing D&D and had no problems with it, but a few years later when i was 16 and getting really into thrash metal he was watching the televangelists and completely buying into the 80s satanic panic of metal music. and he was always so worried that i was going to fall under some sort of mind control satanic metal spell, and what makes me sad is that such an intelligent man really believed and worried about that in the last years of his life and i still feel kind of guilty that i contributed to his woes in his sick withering away condition. but i always remember him for how much fun we had role playing when i was a kid, and all those evening watching Star Trek TNG as the episodes premiered, and taking me to see the animated Bakshi Tolkien films in the theatres while the Star Wars mania was happening.
Luckily my parents were cool about D&D in the 80's and they also never fretted when I got into heavy metal music --- but there were certainly plenty of parents like your father and I wonder how people can become so fearful and paranoid of things without taking the time to understand them
I once downloaded the Necronomicon as a PDF. When I opened it, my laptop crashed just after flashing I'LL SWALLOW YOUR SOUL. When I took it to Best Buy, the Geek Squad guy went insane just before meeting a grisly death. . . :)
I believe that those cases of crimes related to D&D mostly boil down to people shunned by society, that due to this develop mental ilnesses (or vice-versa) trying to have some semblance of happiness through escapism provided by media in general, bottling up all their problems and eventually lashing out at the World that rejected them.
The media tried to make dungeons and dragons seem like it was a drug when the reality is the exact opposite. you don't need to know anything to do heroin but if you don't know anything about D&D you can't play it.
Watching this video made me buy "Dark Dungeons". I don't think I've laughed so hard at a movie since the South Park movie came out in 1999. I particularly like the scene with the audience freaking out and chanting "RPG! RPG!" like they're about to watch an MMA fight. Also, all of the players are young and attractive - not a hint of acne or autism there.
Truth."Martin I want you to find those vandals and hang them up by their buster browns!" explains it all.The mans entire career in hollywood was to take away kids fun and let them get eaten by sharks😂
@@chrissawyer1484 Super late reply, but I DM a game where one of my players (who plays a Warlock) has literally never succeeded in hitting an enemy. We've been playing the campaign for three months, and he's never rolled over a 10 on an attack roll. It's hilariously sad. We joke that his character is nearsighted.
Your character trips over a rock when charging into battle and you stab your yourself with any sharp object you had in your possession. Please roll your damaging dice
Players reaching levels instead of the characters actually makes for an imteresting homebrew rule... you only play as paladins, warlocks or clerics and the player acts as their patrons, and every time you finish a short campaign you get a new level and unlock new powers to give your next character. Or something.
Don't even need to homebrew it as a class-exclusive: if you "create" a religion with a character-- even if it's a rogue who cons a tribe of goblins into believing he's a god's representative, you get a special "god character sheet", and can burn up that metacharacter's "god points" to nudge things and give abilities. Other players can also help power your metacharacter if they get in on the religion... and if you get enough pull you can have your metacharacter latch on to a new character of yours by paying specific amounts of points to make your non-religion-origin characters aware of the metacharacter's existence, either via a dream or some sort of proselityzing or discovery of a tome or totem...
Some of the alarmists screeching about this game genuinely thought it taught kids real magic. You really have to wonder who's the ones who can't tell the difference between reality and fiction: kids having harmless fun or idiots who think magic and demons are real.
@@mariofan1ish Ambushed and if the kid is a legit psychopath, he's not gonna care how badly he hurts you before you get back up. He'll also exploit his parent's natural predisposition not to seriously harm him.
I’ve said this about anti-maskers and I’ll say it again about this: if someone on the spectrum like me understands what’s really going on and a neurotypical person doesn’t, you have issues.
@@woaddragon Correction:To a much MUCH lesser extend.The worst that happened was priests being prejudiced about the game and christian communities,like colleges,forbidding members from bringing it or anything related to places where they operated. The Brits handled the situation more maturely and with scepticism.
I actually knew some Canadians who were like this actually. They had to have a church group look at a video game one of them was playing because there was a star symbol in the game that his brother claimed was a Pentagram.
As a catholic D&D player, this shit is hilarious in retrospect. I mean 9/10 times those demons and devils you deal with in games are NOT your character's freinds. You useally end up killing them or banishing them whitch like the video game Doom (another victim of satanic panic) kind of seems like the opposite of devil worship.
You know you've become corrupted by the internet when the second you hear the name "Egbert" you can ONLY think of homestuck, despite the tragedy that was recounted about the kid.
Wow! I knew that the US has had moral panics about masturbation, majiuwana, AIDS, homosexuality, satanism, Doom, heavy metal, Marilyn Manson, transgenderism, communism, horror movies, video games, comic books, and pretty much everything else... But I didn't know they had one about Dungeons and Dragons! (Dr Nick voice: "what a country!")
this is why I loved the movie Dark Dungeons, because it was intentionally meant to laugh at the DnD moral panic (while also staying pretty true to the original anti DnD writing that they took it from, which was an original Chick Track).
The closest I've ever gotten to the "mind being blurred from bad video games" was my first couple hours playing Tf2 I heard my refrigerator peep and I had like a 0.0006 second terror that a sentry was about to hit me.
Having a father that has once or twice voiced his disproved of the game I think I have insight into why the more fanatic people legitimately believe the game is evil, or at least their "reasoning" for it. They probably believe that since stuff like your prayers and thoughts have an effect on you spiritually, it must mean that thinking you're some sort of character that in their religion would be heretical, like a wizard, warlock, or the cleric/priest of another diety (surprisingly that last one especially) would make you more susceptible to such heretical things irl. I brought up that one of my character's was a cleric but seeing as how the god he worships is not capital G 'God' or Jesus, it must be a bad influence on me (I didn't want to bring up the polytheistic in system found in most settings for obvious reasons and I'm agnostic anyway). But it's obvious that they don't understand the fundamental disconnect between fiction and reality that let's the mind go into these spaces without directly stomping on one's actual worldview and worship. I'm an agnostic playing a cleric and being devout in character, yet I'm not that irl. And all actual religious players tend to simply separate their religious figures from the fictional ones.
the narrative about DND making people unstable, out of touch with reality, and violent is really funny to me. I am very out of touch with reality sometimes due to my mental state, and I can 100% guarantee that arguing with my friend on why we should not keep a magic wolf that we had to knock out to not kill us did the opposite of making me worse
On the note of D&D not being therapeutic: I actually meet my group at a group therapy. We're not using D&D for the therapy itself per se, it just keeps us together to support each other and gives us something to enjoy with one another.
I can understand that addictions can be problematic, but did any of them asked themself on why children become addicted? Did anyone ever helped them in case situations got out of hand? I guess not, 'cause many of these adults refuses to be more responsable
Oh man the Dark Dungeons movie is a classic. The best part is, the crew never out and states it's a parody... Because it *isn't.* It is simply presenting the material, exactly as it is described. (BTW if you've never seen the creator's Kickstarter pitch, try to find it. You can tell that the poor bastard is exercising superhuman will to not corpse). Hell, it even references the Necronomicon and Cthulhu, which *isn't* part of Dark Dungeons, but *is* part of Patricia Pulling's insane drivel. It may actually be the most faithful and respectful presentation of Jack Chick's beliefs. ... Which isn't saying a whole fucking lot, if you think about it...
When I was a kid my parents were concerned that I might get involved in D&D, drugs and heavy metal because of all the weird books I read (which included such "occult" works as C.S Lewis but were more inclined towards SF) Now I am 46, and I use CBD to control my PTSD, I watch GOT and listen to R&B and I had to explain to my parents that the PSCs that my son likes are just the modern version of campfire stories. Then they got mad and I decided to GTFO ASAP. I think the problem is that Boomers are confused and intimidated by acronyms!
RoFL, When he handed her a bible at the book burning, I literally said, "Throw it in the fire!" just before you did Cynical. Brilliant minds think alike... Now join my Satanic LARP group, MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Lightning Bolt Lightning Bolt Lightning Bolt indeed.
@@Shenaldrac GURPS? GURPS is The DEVIL! Not the Cool Kind of Devil, just the regular kind of Devil... I know it's Confusing but you know how it is right? It's like a Coke vs Diet Coke vs Diet Crack sort of thing.
