The D&D Youtuber Scandal Gets Worse 

Interesting, looks like I’m shouting I fucking love you in some of my friends faces

@@cartergross1716 I legit lol'd, but I also legit love this.

Shouting anything in someone's face is bad. Respect people's space.

And a good thing they don't. Picture the too attached girlfriend that does not allow you time on your own. All excess is bad.

While I COMPLETELY agree with statement, I would not be surprised if any of my bffs came to my house and shouted I love you then ran away. I even see myself doing this to them. 😂

Twitter gota be twitter

"He said he loves women in a gay way" (In reality, the harassment really picked up steam after he did a very successful fundraising stream for a trans charity)

@@fourierfoyer365 Isn't JoCat non-binary? Or were these TERFs? (The "f" stands for failure, because they're not feminists, as feminism is a subset of egalitarianism)

Apparently he was getting it from both sides, the radical feminists and "sigma chad grindset" freaks. He was simultaneously a misogynist objectifier AND a simp placing women up on a pedestal, according to twitter. I can't adequately express how effectively well that video... for lack of a better word, pulled the curtains back on these extreme subgroups, revealing the gross irrationality and mental gymnastics they require to justify themselves and their meritless existence.

@@harrylane4 everything in the universe revolves around transgenders. silly galilei

frankly that description of him already paints a target on his back from certain vile sides of the internet.

No no, you misunderstand. The sustained harassment campaign is because he's "innocuous and genuinely sincere" (and also he supports the LGBT community, which is really the big problem for the kind of people harrsssing him), and I Like Girls was just an easy target for them to use.

that video is one of the cringiest things ive ever seen in my fucking life but its not problematic lol

@@Arbaaltheundefeated Its not even about body positivity, its even simpler than that, someone else in the comments section called it just regular positivity. Like, he just parodied a different song in a near perfect mirror. It makes it even dumber that people are getting mad, like, bro it has exactly zero controversial opinions in it.

It's almost beyond belief, but yes. And not just that, but it has been a fairly obviously planned and calculated campaign, with an actual group of people working together in it. A few independent loonies would be disturbing enough but this... ....personally I suspect it will turn out to be Incels. That lot are rapidly coming up into competition with the fascists for worst people on earth. And I say that as a man who spent substantial amounts of time punching fascists in the face. The Incels have squalid little hate groups and they absolutely plan atrocities and sometimes carry them out. They egg each other on into rapes and harassment and assault. The very idea of a kindly friendly man being able to interact happily with women is offensive to them, because they are incapable of it. It's easier for them to hate decent people than to expend the effort to become decent people themselves, and deep down they KNOW thats what truly makes them worthless: That they don't actually dare to not be worthless.

That's pretty scandalous, it's just a general internet scandal, rather than a JoCat scandal

@@johntheherbalistg8756 No one likes pedants.

@@Michael-bn1oi, good point, no one likes a pedant. Hey quick question though, is it not pedantic is it to say "There is literally no scandal. Only crazy people attacking an innocent creator."?

Dude made a vid saying he likes girls. Wtf is the issue here...@@Michael-bn1oi

@@Michael-bn1oi Wow, immediately resorting to personal attacks the second someone points out how wrong you are. *Classy.*

You mean like generalizing strangers by calling them dirthbags without consequences? You need a mirror, friend.

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj in this case I was referring to the people making death threats and harassing someone over a song....and other such behaviors... That is dirtbaggish behavior, being angered by it and using a rather mild insult in passing is not on the same scale. and another difference is I am fully expecting to get punched in the mouth if I said that face to face, and willing to run that risk...

"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." ~ Mike Tyson.

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj Context is king, friend. Ignoring context for the opportunity to build a strawman, is poo, friend.

@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj You know damn well what he meant. Failed strawman. But what can you expect from someone who liked his own comment.

the same group of people from Final Fantasy 14 who did this to others...Is SE gonna do something about it or are they going to have to get sued before they take action?

Very true, be sure to let us know when the cops decide to do a single thing about it.

@@HopeisAnger oh look a troll a commie troll at that

@@MrAngryMonkey100 imagine defending a pedo

The only difference between the two seems to me to be the lengths people are willing to go to in order to perpetrate it and stop it. In other words, their nature is the same, only the form it takes is different. I wish people would figure out we need to quit hating ourselves.

Did you pick up that term from Jordan Peterson?

I'm not sure you know what "post-modern" means, but I do agree that I always felt like it was more about sexuality-positivity, than body positivity. It's an anthem for every man (or woman) who doesn't restrict their interest in women to only those with the Hugh Hefner approved 38-22-32 figure. He likes what he likes, and he wasn't afraid to say it, and that was liberating for me and a lot of other people. It really sucks that feral normies had to bully him for daring to break the mold. We need to carry his torch forward.

@@MrFelblood you're assuming it was just "feral normies" and not also "non-normies". Crazy comes in a lot of flavors, not just "normie".

@@Arbaaltheundefeated And those people were absolutely wrong.

It was literally just a meme video of a meme that was popular at the time. He was hardly the only youtuber that took part in it.

Gene Hackman you wiley old son of a gun

There are all sorts of people that lack the capacity to simply leave people alone to enjoy life their own way. Most of them come from special interest groups, whether social or religious.

@@jamesmerkel1932 You have any statistics to back that up? I have a feeling that since the odds of any random person belonging to a GROUP is significantly higher than said random person not belonging to a group....kinda like the concept of a group includes multiple individuals, yet somehow individuals don't inherently include groups. Mob mentality is stupid. Don't copy them.

@jefferson7097 yes, all of modern human history is a prime example of special interest groups, whether social or religious, enforcing their personal ideologies on others. The fact you take such a strong defensive attitude towards this implies you may be a participant.

@@jamesmerkel1932 ...and your passive aggressive nature is obvious.

It's not that he acknowledged that women exist, but in how cringe he did it. I'm against the harassment campaign tho, what people did was horrible and beyond anything acceptable. I hope he recovers okay from all of this

@@CCRexKanin Let’s say it how it is, he didn’t get swatted for “being cringe” he got swatted by conservatives and targeted because he supports the LGBTQ+ community and doesn’t ascribe to misogynistic masculinity. (Like making jokes about putting down women, I’m sure being in gaming circles we’ve all seen our share of that.)

@@neonprado9989 That's false. I've watched as people have bullied him relentlessly for finding him cringe, calling him soyboy, a cuck, etc. There are definitely people that hate his beliefs, but calling this a tactical conservative strike bc he's not a misogynistic gamer is incredibly fictitious and fantastical I followed this closely for months, and watched people make fun of him. Most of the people that bullied him were younger teenagers jumping on the "make fun of cringe cat boy" bandwagon

"Conservatives" aren't who went after the guy.@@neonprado9989

@@CCRexKanin cringe is a personal problem, especially when it is people being genuine and authentic to themselves. If *you* cringe at someone that is your problem, not theirs. That isn't even mentioning how strange it is to cringe at someone re-writing a song and just genderflipping it. It was never that deep.

There must be consequences and accountability. These criminals should be brought to justice. If allowed to walk free they will strike again.

Not only did they win, they got him to blame things that people liked. They got to start more arguments.

Yeah, he should have kept going, but no point doing something that's making you miserable.

@@captanblueIm fine with him stopping. Not everyone needs to become a Selena Gomez. Blaming a particular piece of his work over anything else just seems like he wanted to leave arguments as his legacy though.

@@dudere I would have preferred he stuck around just to not show weakness. I respected the influence the guy had since he was popular, he could have been a good example, but he chickened out. All he did was just make the bullies stronger.

I think the harassment happened because twitter freaks cannot accept normal people being straight , for them being straight is a sin so horrible that jocat needed to be destroyed.

It was just a little joke, literally a bonus out of his way fun he put a lot of time into too, wasn't even main content just good years old content.

I read read it as "so much S M I T E"

@@djago9415 Well the peeps harassing him deserve that just like those who harassed Pikamee do.

people need to get off mercia's back... its those durn wessex thugs you wanna watch

He's the reason I got into Monster Hunter (World), legend he was

With how far people took things, Nobody would've won against that.

And now the world is a better place

if he just. didn't listen to them. he would have won@@BramLastname

And now the world is a worse place

Yep. That's how fascism works.

that's why we need to hate the people who hate us even more.

"As a society, we reward assholes and punish the meek." You can add "throw money their way", "laugh when they abuse strangers", "justify borderline inhumane actions", and "fanboi / fangirl over them incessantly.", although that's still not the end of the list. SSSW is an almost perfect example. You just have to be cute and you can do almost anything to anyone. You could be one of the most amazing people on the planet but be plain looking and you get ignored for the next 'hot girl' or 'hot guy'. Primitive lizards indeed.

"We" ? ? ?Did YOU reward SSSNiperworlf? Because, it sounds like you hate her guts. I have never watched her shit even once.

@@mpo48 Cancel the cancellers!

Please don't insult the lizards, or any reptiles for this matter... to make a play of the well known saying - don't attribute to other animals, what is entirely attributable to humans (the most violent of apes).

And all it takes is one of them to do something genuinely dangerous and potentially violent to make the other 99 that much scarier. It's awful and my heart goes out to Jo. I hope he's okay.

@@Smokescale swatting was in the news often a few years back. Sniperwolf literally showed up outside another content creators house and shared his geolocation "picture meta data" and address. Nadia did something similarly. All it takes is 1 unstable person to commit an arson or B&E and murder someone or in the very least scare them so badly they move which could cost tens of thousands or more depending on the house they will end up needing to purchase.

And it's going to keep happening until we start holding famous people accountable for involving their audiences in their personal bullshit. There is a legitimate case of criminal negligence to be made (or at least, there should be) when someone with millions of fans looks into a camera and says shit like, "I would never do anything to this person...but if someone else did, I would be happy." It's like shooting a gun into the air and then saying gravity is to blame when the bullet comes down and kills someone. @@WhatWillYouFind

because the people who do this are conservatives trying to weaponize progressive ideals against us. if the criticism is ideologically inconsistent its probably a right wingers spouting it.

he was being very gay for women and gay women love that shit.

That's awesome, I rem in Highschool some girls called me gross for getting the dudes in class to talk bout their types and dive into the why of it beyond the "booba" and actually understanding themselves more in love language and such in our friend grp and it weirded me out. cause I had talked to the girls bout their types and likes in guys and sht and I was a cool dude when we talked about that, but the guys talking bout their whys in love and types etc was a no no all of a sudden. the thing that made me feel less bad about the sitch was my lesbian friends joining the grp convo with us guys and actually thanking me later cause it made em feeled welcomed that not just me but the guys welcomed em and actually related to their whys and types, miss em, hope they're all doing well out their

bitches be crazy homie@@maducrutz9384

I think the harassment happened because twitter freaks cannot accept normal people being straight , for them being straight is a sin so horrible that jocat needed to be destroyed.

As much as I can relate to this statement I always have to remind myself not to go down to the level of people who started this or possibly lower.

@@N4g4r1d3r Bullshit. Enough "being the bigger person", people need to experience the consequences of their fucking actions

Live by the troonblade, die by the troonblade.

@@TheMythandLegend Troonblade?

@@cas6888 It's a crappy transphobic slur, no doubt these are the kind of people harassing Jo.

thanks hyperbolehyde!

So a straight guy says he is straight and likes girls and the internet loses it? Take a hike! He has just as much right to like women as someone does men or attack helicopters. LEAVE THE MAN ALONE.

@@dungeonsanddiscourse I absolutely agree with Hyperbolehyde and also im sorry you yourself have been subject to total dickhats.. i never heard of you before but was suggested your video because i've been following the jocat debacle with great sadness and just want to say your video was well made and very informative and screw the haters

jesus christ this. this so fucking hard. Hell, I'm one of those Terminally Online Nutjobs, the kind that apparently hated that video, and _I fucking LOVED it!_ It was so genuine, I laughed at how hard it went, I couldn't not love something, some _one,_ that genuine.

It's not help they need---they need jail.

As someone who apologizes way too much, and knows other people who do, I know that feeling of apologizing for something that isn't my fault - or being apologized to for something that isn't their fault. Seeing this happen to someone who I'd probably describe as The Next Walt Disney - seriously, look up his animation of his avatar eating a sandwich, it's fascinatingly detailed! - is kinda heartwrenching.

@@rpgcraftsman520 Apologizing to people who are behaving like this is classic response of someone who has been victimized, where you apologize for making the other person mad. This is a terrible shame. Somehow we have confused freedom of speech with the notion that, "a person can't be made uncomfortable for any reason. And if you say or do anything which makes someone uncomfortable, that's your fault." Nonsense. I know I'm a jaded, cynical, don't-give-a-damn Xer, but at a certain point, you've got to say, "Look Joe..or Judy, Cindy, Nancy, Tom Dick, Harry---it's Joe to me. It sounds like you've got a personal problem and you need to deal with it. Don't lay your personal bull crap on me"

It reminds me of when I got hit by a car when I was biking. While I was lying on the ground the elderly driver came over, all shaking, and I'm telling him (while probably clinically in shock) 'I don't blame you' - even though it was like 99.999% his fault. Looking back, I meant it as 'these things happen and I don't want you to feel bad', but he apparently took it as 'ok so I can tell the insurance company you flew into me at high speed and get you to pay for the damage to the car'. I was horrified beyond belief when his insurance company called me at my work (where I worked with high needs kids at school for essentially minimum wage) to ask me to pay for the car of the guy who turned a blind corner, failed to see someone already on the road, and wiped me out. And at the end of the day it was my apology reflex that contributed to this ridiculous situation. It was a very unfortunate life lesson for me, and I don't think I'm a better person as a result of it.

This.

While I have my doubts on the whole situation, Let me just underline that this post, in it's entirety, is 100% correct. Who cares what the hell goes on in JoCats personal life. You are watching his content, not his profile.

Typically? They're good at their job, room's either absolutely sterile or an absolute dumpster, and they have no social life because they're so close minded and arrogant that nobody likes them IRL. Bathing, eating, and sleeping habits vary.

They sit all day on the computer scrolling to find anything that they hate even if it’s small to the point of nothing, they’ll find a way to get mad at it and do heinous things like doxxing

They'd look exactly like any normal person. Do you think it takes more than five minutes out of someone's day to say something bad on the internet? The very idea that they must be so radically different from normal is exactly what allows such things to flourish so easily. It's the same with any social maladjustment, or hatred, or bigotry. The idea that 'bad must look bad' is harmful to your ability to actually notice bad actors in your social circles.

@@Szriko Stalking people and actively trying to keep up with their online presence wherever they go and trying to find people's home adress is not a normal thing to do. I'm not taking about people just leaving mean comments. I'm not even talking about finding paper trails of someone's decade+ presence on the internet just because they're curious. I'm talking about the people who do it incessantly over the course of years every week, actively seeking out personal channels to directly communicate with the target instead of a random comment that would be lost in the masses of other voices. The type of person who'd have thoughts of visiting them unannounced (because they sure wouldn't get an invitation). When I say stalking and harassing I mean stalking and harassing. Not mean comments.

@@Szriko spitting absolute facts! 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Yeah. I'm not exactly JoCat's biggest fan. But I mean that in the factual sense. Just a matter of taste. They seem like a good enough person though. Which makes this a real shame.

LETS SPAM HIM WITH GIRLS

He's engaged, so maybe a swarm of girls would be uncomfortable, lol

@@darkseraph2009 well, LET'S SPAM HIS PARTNER WITH GIRLS TOO xD

​@@joaopossani3109 *Girlswarm!!!*

he supported those that harassed women off the internet, he deserves no rewards

ShortFatOtaku has been making videos about these problems in the left for years. but for the short, the left has been eating it self for a long time, there is no honor among thieves. You might believe you are leftist but trying to court the left is asking for trouble and JoCat unfortunatly found it, because the left has a purity spiral, if you aren't willing to become more and more leftist, you will be left behind and publicily humiliated for being yourself. In this case, JoCat did the crime of being leftist, pro-trans and not gay or queer, he was straight, and straight people are the bad guys so, he was a bad guy according to them and everything they did was good because you can't be do bad things to bad guys!

Insecurity and lack of self-awareness is what it is

they say that publicly....

@MrAngryMonkey100 Excuse me? I am not even part of that community and I know how much they love Jocat because of his Crap Guide videos on the game's different classes.

@@Impalingthorn no excuse if you dont like what I say then just ignore it but soy cancel pigs like you won't let it go...

It wasn't even just the Crap Guide videos, he organized... what, TWO in-game Lunarcon conventions? He was PASSIONATE about FFXIV, he showed a lot of love to the community. Warms my heart that it was reciprocated.

monster hunter community is also sad we are all sad together

he supported literal nazis doxxing women for wanting to play hogwarts legacy, he will not be missed

He pandered to these harrassers for quite some time note the common FLAG Jocat and them wave around. He got the audience he wanted after driving away his original one. Sorry but I Dont care Jocat got what he wanted and they dug up his history and ate him alive.

and mostly PoC or GNC people, JoCat's confident and soft masculinity was just too much for some people

@@snintendog You're either totally oblivious or part of the problem, the people who harassed him were mostly 4chanees. the kind who were furious about his whole soft masculinity deal and support of trans rights.

@@lawrl777 Proof of Concept or General National Committee?

This isn't about forgetting to accept different opinions. This is people being cruel to others as a form of entertainmen.t

@@darqchild I definitely think it's both. Obviously being cruel just goes along with the horrible package of nastiness. Hell I am an artist and I have honestly been too afraid to make any social media for my artwork for fear of the extremists in the art community. They are honestly terrifying.

The GIFT - Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory: internet anonymity begets online sociopathy in otherwise normal people.

Exactly what OP said. It's soo strange where we have a sorta "us vs them" mentality whenever it comes to people we don't 100% agree with. I have people whom I consider good friends, yet despite that there are things we will never fully agree on (and that's okay). Having social circles where you're able to engage with different opinions and beliefs can help grow and/or reaffirm your own beliefs. Just cause you don't agree with someone, doesn't mean they're now you're enemy. Figured us (as a society) would more than ever be open to at least letting different opinions be, rather than chasing down and essentially trying to cancel people for simply not aligning with their beliefs or ideologies.

yeah, but when you literally say harassing streamers isnt a big deal, you cant really bitch when you get harassed.

JoCat literally supported people doing this to Pikame, Silvervale, and other streamers.

@@luciussvartwulf6630 Source or STFU

@@luciussvartwulf6630 When you lay with snakes.

@@luciussvartwulf6630 If you're gonna say something, say more. Let's get some stories and sources.

To be fair, everyone who exists in a public space has to learn how to handle things they dislike. If they cannot handle them, maybe it is better they are not a public figure. You can be a literal saint, and someone out there will hate you unfoundedly. Someone out there will dislike your personality, attitude, presentation, ideals, or whatever else they are judging you on... but you are the one putting it out there for people to judge. It would be unreasonable to assume you will only get positive feedback. So if you can't handle the nasty side of it by ignoring opinions you yourself disagree with, best stay away from doing the thing that got you those responses. Most importantly though... NEVER apologize for being yourself because someone else dislikes what makes you you. Live and let live.

thanks for the superchat

Please understand they're trying to implement marxism.

… they… they… _wow_ that is a massive reach by them. “Fellas, is it gay to like women?” Some people are just… I swear I don’t know how they can breath air and blink at the same time.

And if he's gay, bi, trans, or whatever, so freaking what he's just a random internet person

How dare he be a femboy and straight. How dare twinks be anything other than a stereotype.

I am stunned by that quote... I could have sworn she was Scottish. As an American, I considered my self an expert on European accents.

​@@RupertMDocwell, u were way off... She is not a Scottish Woman, she is an Irish Man

​@ogaburan she's an Irish woman.

​@@ogaburan Was that really necessary? That's kind of a dick thing to say.

@@clydefmorgan Guese we have that in common. Me and her. Too much dickness.

His channel is missed.

i still look at his vids now and then @@RicardoSantos-oz3uj

I mean, he was also a piece of shit who encouraged harassment himself.

Not by me. I ditched him entirely when he flipped out on someone for asking "are traps gay." Like just say no and move on, but no, we must find that man and throw him out of the convention he said. Dudes whole brand was off color humor and sarcastic comments, but he couldn't take a single such joke.

@MarSprite that was one of Bain's stopped clock moments. But if that made you stop supporting Bain then you probably cheered him on when he supported gamergate and was himself a huge vector for harassment of gamer gate's targets. Mentioning Bain positively under a video about harassing a person off the Internet reveals a special kind of denial of reality.

they are just communists cancel pigs from Final Fantasy 14

unintentionally lol

@@SFTaYZa Agreed. "Open and progressive" is simply not marketable, while "vile, seething, and rage-baiting" are _hugely_ profitable. There are no accidents here.

A term for that already exists, it's called Virtue Signaling.

@@CurlyBruce I think it's not exactly the same thing. Virtue Signaling is too broad and doesn't apply exclusively to this kind of situation. It also became kind of a buzzword that weirdo conservatives like to throw around at everything so it's slowly losing meaning. The new term is useful.

When even hitting a 'dislike' button is seen as an 'offensive' act that might shatter someone's oh so fragile soul, then we as a society have a problem.

it wasnt seen as an offensive act, it was damaging the image of media companies that in other media dont have a public feedback@@Furzkampfbomber, youtube removed the dislike button to protect tv channels publishing on youtube, the content creators still could see the dislikes and the hate messages

@@devforfun5618 I am aware of that and I still think it is a wrong move. What have media companies to be afraid of? What is so problematic when people see a bad like/dislike ratio, I mean, it's not like viewers won't rate crappy content down just because you hide that. I think it was in order to protect certain agendas and narratives, which will almost inevitably lead to bad ratings. Instead of changing the message, the try to gag the messenger.

@@Furzkampfbomber It was 100% done to protect money. Nothing else. RU-vid was pivoting towards providing mainstream media content on top of regular creator content. They wanted the cash flow of being able to have Sports, ABC/NBC/FOX programming on their services. They wanted to court some of that ad revenue, and that legitimacy as a media service instead of just an 'internet thing'. Part of that deal was, no doubt, making it seem like that content belonged here, despite it's rejection by some big enough portion of the youtube user base that wasn't interested, or didn't want to see creators who started here get muscled out by rich, corporate content creation. So, RU-vid squashes dislike ratios being public, the larger media companies provide content to RU-vid. Now, it's a television service, siphoning subscribers away from cable providers. The agenda was capitalism. The narrative was 'We want more of your fucking money'. Nothing else.

From all the other videos I’ve seen on this subject. It wasn’t even the DND community that did this. It was the Twitter hate hive mind that as always wants to destroy everything.

See, you used very funny word, "unjustified". Which means, you consider that there are valid reason for such actions. This is exactly how this rabid mob came to be.

To clarify, I don't think anything justifies persistent, targeted abuse, and I apologize if my choice of words suggested otherwise. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

@@shadram_nz There's nothing to apologize for in this case - i just thought it was worth highlighting the "backdoor" in our perception that may or may not be there due to our biases. Obviously i don't know you, but i known people who had that, myself included.

I'd encourage you to make videos with the comments off, and also to make a GOOD pseudonym account for that (NEVER give out identifying info on the internet: not your real name, not your town, not your county, state/province, or if you live in a small country, said country. Don't disclose your exact age either, keep it to just vague age groups. Also make a burner email if you're asked for one and then promptly never look at it, it's going to be spammed by scammy sponsors and trolls anyway. (This was the general advice I got when I got online (and why my username is not a real name at all), your current username is really identifiable and I'd advise you to change it very quicky to something that doesn't sound like your real name.)

@@neoqwerty Thanks for the advice but I think I will stay away from it all anyway. My username for YT was chosen for me cos all the names I came up with were taken (which I found very strange I mean how many people are called Shash? or Bes Pelargic? etc I tried about 6 different ones) xxx

@@neoqwerty no, comments off makes you weak. People are saying he quit because of harassment. No, he quit because someone mailed a bomb to his house

You think he's a sweetheart? He approved of harassment against Pikamee, another content creator. It was bad enough to the point where she effectively stopped streaming, only having a few contractually obligated streams.

@@pidey that's ironic isn't it? A guy who harassed a content creator off the internet got harassed off the internet by the exact people who harassed the content creator.

That has always been BS, play the same game and play it better, a one sided fight is a lost one

There is some truth to the statement, but only if the party in question is trying to get you, specifically, to pay attention to them, and even then, it only works if you then pay attention to them when they do things you want to encourage more of. If they're doing it for attention/approval from their peer group, then the only thing you can do to discourage them is to make the juice not worth the squeeze and become an unattractive target; often time, that does mean you have to, as highlighted in an earlier comment, play the same game better.

Become rooftop Koreans?

​@@cburn-YT Well, sometimes the odds are so stacked against you no matter how well you play you'll come out battered, in those cases it is indeed better not to play their game.

Make the juice not worth the squeeze. That's an excellent turn of phrase. As a former teacher, I never told someone not to respond to this sort of bullshit, but I realize that my priority of a smooth running classroom is not the same as a kid's priority of social standing. There was very little that I could actually say or do that would both help and not get me fired.@@PhycoKrusk

You should look up the Cult of Celebrity. Not the stuff making fun of the way people treat celebrities, the serious stuff. A lot of language and behaviour surrounding modern celebrity is either taken directly from, or very closely resembles, behaviours and language usually associated with religion. An ICONIC movie STAR is IMMORTALIZED on the big screen. Singers are IDOLIZED by their DEVOTED FANS. RU-vidr-as-totem fits perfectly. Especially when you add in the concept of iconoclasm. There's an awful lot of smashing of icons and tearing down of idols going on on Social Media these days.

@@sokar_rostau very interesting, where can i read more about this?

That's exactly the kind of crap that makes me actually _glad_ I'll probably never amount to anything. Even if it is still soul-crushing regardless.

@@MattwosRandomNonContentwell, maybe you shouldn’t amount to be a celebrity but you should amount to SOMETHING that you genuinely enjoy doing!

@@BlueTyphoon2017 I did have a small following at one point but for various possible reasons, they're gone now.

He's openly a trans supporter, so I think he should have known this king of thing could happen. Great youtubers/streamers get bullied off the internet by trans activists who preach acceptance while outright harassing people they disagree with. It happened to Pikamee, and now it's happening to JoCat. That being said, nobody deserves harassment over completely regular speech, even if they're ignorant.

@@Unblante "he supported trans people so trans people attacked him" ....what? you get a fuckton of hate on the internet for even implying transpeople are human these days, but that hate isnt exactly coming from transpeople ?! what level of brain rot is required for that take

​@@UnblanteAFAIK Pikamee wasn't "harassed off the internet", she just joined a VTuber agency and was rebranded and due to the rules of said agency is forbidden from acknowledging her past persona.

@@thesalvager3020 She was. She did not "just join a vtuber agency" as that happened several months after she was harassed off the internet. She was, for all intents and purposes, bullied by trans activists who saw her playing hogwarts legacy as a threat to their boycott. They organized it on twitter, and there have been plenty of articles about it. Kotaku wrote one and somehow spun it as "This is going to cause even more trans harassment!" but regardless, there's plenty of news coverage on it. I don't blame you for being misled on the whole ordeal though. Twitter tried to wash over the whole thing with like 4 different gaslighting methods. "It never happened. Even if it did happen it wasn’t us. Even if it was us, nothing came of it. Even if something did happen, they deserved it."

@@Unblante what I don't understand is the fact that Jo was *supportive* of the trans community. For me personally, I feel like he was the paragon of "being an ally". And I can't deny that there are assholes in every large group of people, even including queer spaces, which are supposed to be places of acceptance. But I still can't grasp what trans activists have to do with all this.

He did one thing wrong: he enabled the crazy people. It was in his hands to distance himself from the schizos and he instead he tried to listen to them

People out here really sayin' a video about liking girls was gay.

"Dudes, is it gay to like... Girls?"

real hetero men are supposed to hate women with festering incel rage, didn't you know?

I think people REALLY hate the "cat girl" ears his avatar has in the video.... And took it THIS far.

For many of those who use "gay" as a casual pejorative (as in "that's so gay"), it isn't about either of the dictionary definitions of "gay" (i.e. cheery, as in "they were happy and gay", or homosexual) it's about being cringe. In the UK, it's been used like this in schools for years, and it's only when it's explained to teenagers how problematic this use of the word is (i.e. that it will be assumed to be homophobic) that kids stop using it that way. Obviously kids brought up to be homophobic will not care, and keep using the term, but those who are horrified that people might think them homophobic do stop using "gay" this way.

no, that's a defense to distract from him harassing women over a video game

@@Chaplain_Asmodai do you have a source on that? I literally have no clue what you're talking about and I can't find anything on it.

@@kdawg2468 @Chaplain_Asmodai seems to be spreading similar comments all over yet never provides sources to back up the claims.

@@kdawg2468 Effectively saying "What the fuck are you talking about," Has got to be the best response I've seen in a while. Even better that they didn't reply.

@@kdawg2468 he's talking about how JoCat was in full support of the Transcommunity as they literally did everything he complained about happening to him to streamers like Pikame, Silvervale, and dozens of others because of Hogwarts Legacy. Given that Pikame was essentially driven from the Internet, had to create a whole new identity for herself, and still faces harassment to this day (and Silver was nearly pushed to that point as well), JoCat basically suffering the same fate as Pikame feels less sad and more like poetic justice to some.

This isn't the d&d community doing this though. The community has actually gotten a hell of a lot better than it was even 10 years ago. The people doing this are from Kiwi Farms. It's an intentional, organized campaign specifically because of the charity live stream he was gonna be doing.

​@@casteanpreswyn7528 Based on what JoCat said, That is not why this happened. According to his timeline of events This was already an issue by the time he announced that he'd be doing charity stuff.

​@@casteanpreswyn7528 while I'm not denying that isn't the case, he was getting it from both sides. Let's be real

@@casteanpreswyn7528better than 10 years ago??? Nah…it’s getting worse. The DnD community was peak inclusive back in the day. Now it’s been overrun with toxic casuals and the woke crowd that attack everyone that isn’t pushing “updating the game for modern audiences” and “pushing the message”. The same racists that decided orcs are black people. The game space was so much better in the 90’s when it was just a game and was made by nerds, for nerds, and United us in our nerdery

@@LB-yg2br keep up the meth. Also, pfp checks out.

Just by skimming the comment section, it sounds like some people are mad he didn’t include their favorite kind of girl: boys who pretend to be girls.

cringe culture is annoying

​@@abcdefghij337Stop your acting,Aleluyo,we know that we're you,the subhumans that believe semitic mythology to be absolute truth,those who harassed Jocat...

@@abcdefghij337 Except for the fact that he's well known for being openly supportive of trans people. But in order to know that, you'd have to actually do some research on what JoCat's opinions are first and I'm sure I'm not the only one who can understand how a simple google search is probably a difficult task for you.

@@trolldrool Way to insult someone for expressing themselves (albeit foolishly). Comment said literally that they assumed that from *"Just by skimming the comment section..."* So great job telling them that they are too stupid to do a research project when they directly opened with that....but hey reading comprehension isn't for everyone. That insult is allowable because it was subtle, right?

I always wondered what happened to that comic. Looked up the author later and seemed like he just got a bunch of other work and didn't have time. Sad to know it was a bunch of psychotrolls that drove him out. :(

Snap, that's why Ian Q dropped RPGWorld? I read that when I was an absolute child just barely online. I thought he just started working on other stuff. I never caught any of that.

That's wokeness for ya.

@@DolFan316 Lmao its the opposite, the video is TOO WOKE for people, saying the video is "too gay" in liking women, because unlike how men act towards women nowadays, saying things like, "I like women with a big juicy ass" or "if she has a dumpy" it's not really bad to have preferences but it's how men view women nothing more than pieces of meat to be dominated and f*cked. Jocat video is about the sincerity of loving women and how he appreciates all types of different girls, its sensitive and treats women like human beings.

​@@DolFan316what are you going on about? You're woke boogeyman didn't bully this poor dude off of the internet.

@@JasonGulbin Maybe not, but that's just wokeness in general.

@@syrienangel4137 Define Woke

I thought post-sincerity was in the 90s, which was just regular irony, and we had circled back around to new sincerity/post-irony. I can’t keep up anymore.

You want sincerity? Because if you get it you'll just say it's hate speech.

@@digestiveissue7710 Ow, the edge.

@@MattwosRandomNonContentDon't be stupid. The fact that this video was even made in the first place shows that he's being realistic, not "edgy".

@@MattwosRandomNonContent case and point

Technically not, apparently it's quite easy to obtain peoples IP addresses if the people who sent Jo's family hate mail are anything to go by, just show up at their house and deck 'em when they answer.

Just wanted to say that your experience is relatable. I also self-identify as agender and for the longest time had this stupid shame for looking and presenting masculine because I associated everything masculine with evil and monstrous - I’m pretty sure I had internalised misandry. But then I understood that it’s all silly and I can dress and look however I want because I am a good and beautiful human being. This world certainly needs more people like JoeCat to spread positivity and normalise self-love. I will miss them too.

The one addition that needs to be made to that is: If they've found you in real life, You need to take action against it immediately.

Same here, though my main interactions kind of came out with the older WotC forums when they launched them due to TSR's "special" kind of idiocy regarding anything online at times with C&D letters everywhere for any group that got a decent following. I think that part of the issue now is that the expanding popularity of RPGs is creating the mess where you have assholes trying to take over and see everyone else as a threat...and so many people trying to shove others out that there are far more people who are trigger happy over anything and everything now.

@@BramLastname Very true.

"Don't feed the Trolls" is an idiom that used to be all over the internet until about...hm... 2012? 2014? I wish people still used it today because it is DESPERATELY needed. But it's almost like people would rather argue so much that they erased the saying from collective conciousness. It's bad because with the way algorithms work all this hate is getting pushed into people's faces all the time now.

But JoCat never feed the trolls. He, to my knowledge, never announced any of this publicly until now. Additionally he didn't really flaunt his personal identity either. While I agree with your statement, I don't think it really applies here. He did everything right, handling it privately. I think it's important to not let these general tips everyone knows become a sort of victim blaming, implying that he could have done something different to avoid harrasment. I know that's probably not your intention, I just had to add this to your comment.

There NEEDS to be laws for this kind of thing. It's really bad and rapidly getting worse

It started with Chris-chan and Sonicchu and everyone's reaction to it. The entire general consensus that circus created in the Internet's mind and forever changed it was that it was somehow ok to destroy someone's life with all the evil sadism of an obsessive serial killer and for millions of people to justify it because they think "it's funny" or "they have it coming" or even just "yay I was just given the go-ahead by millions of people on internet forums who just made me feel like it's acceptable to indulge my cruel sociopathic depravity and systematically destroy a human beings life, like it's pushing thumbtacks into the back end of a frog or sticking a cat in a pillow case with firecrackers, except it's a real life person". That's where this sick justification came from and continues to this day.

@@thenightstar8312 Correct, very accurate, and I'd like to point out that it's always folks who are "atypical" according to the mainstream paleoliberal and neoliberal ideologies. Sometimes it's neurodiversity, sometimes it's gender expansiveness, sometimes it's both, sometimes it's something else, but you very rarely see cishet white dudes getting put through the ringer to this same degree. And when you do, it's reaction from people who are predominantly not white, cishet, men, etc. Not very much crossfire against people who look and think like them. Funny, that.

I've seen this happen so much too and cancel culture just gets furthered and allowed still. When Hogwarts Legacy came out people were making lists of anyone streaming it or making content on it and sending out death threats, causing problems, etc. All because apparently if you play that game you support everything J.K Rowling has ever said that's "transphobic" when nothing she has said is actually transphobic. What she has *basically* said is that if you're transgender you still are whatever you were born as and labelling yourself as something else *dating* wise is rude. Which I completely agree with. If you're transgender I could care less if you exist, if you're happy, etc. You can do whatever you want.. but if you're on a dating app advertising yourself as male and aren't really male where it counts that's pretty rude. I've seen people get their careers ruined on RU-vid just because people push and push for things. Turps and Sjin from the Yogscast were like that. They constantly had rabid fans accusing them of things like talking with underage girls, sexual harassment, etc. Meanwhile nothing was ever founded but of course since there were accusations they'd have to be investigated every single time.. so eventually they just quit and said they're done. Then all those rabid fans acted like they were justified and suddenly Turps and Sjin are guilty.. no.. you forced them out of the job they love to do because you kept repeatedly accusing them of things and putting them through hell.. that doesn't mean you're right nor justified - far from it. Thing is too there are legitimate issues that need to be fought but here these idiots are causing problems where they don't exist just to try and act like they're so high and mighty. Meanwhile they're the bullies. Like the people sending out death threats over these things.. how does that make you any better than what you *think* you're fighting against? You can't fight fire with fire.. you also don't get to call everything whatever you want. I'm sick of being called things like transphobic or homophobic just because I don't 100% agree on a topic yet I have no problem with trans people nor homosexual people. What's even more funny is being a gay male getting called homophobic.. "cancel culture" needs to be destroyed and not allowed. We need serious harsh punishment for it. It needs to be labelled as cyber bullying as well as defamation. Like you said, these people sending death threats, sending packages, etc all need to be treated as a cyber terrorist and sued for defamation as well. Like they're out here ruining lives on completely unfounded information.

Ah, so you're just a closeted bigot afraid of the facts.

@@Eventide215 I don't give a shit what she "says" she can "say" whatever the fuck she wants to -- she's been galvanizing a small sect of white, middle-class british women and funding, astroturfing, and manufacturing rightist populism. Just ask Kelly Jay-Keen, noted nazi sympathizer and RowlingBux recipient, who infamously held a rally that was overtaken by neonazis whom Kelly let speak and march with no resistance. no, the resistance to the nazis was offered by the COUNTER-protestors, who knew the stakes of letting this shit happen. But FINE, say I'm supposed to ignore her material harm through capital, both social and literal, to the trans community, and pick out something "actually transphobic" she's said. Let me ask you this: what would make you say "Oh yeah, that's transphobic."? What piece of evidence are you looking to see to be convinced of this conclusion?

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We all know that those people don't go the effort of sending packages. Nobody can point their fingers for fear of being next in line

The billion dollars George Lucus was paid for that IP might have also been a factor.

@@lordzaboem dude was making millions just on merch sales dude. add in royalties and ads dude was making that billion easy. even with everything pretending they hate the prequels.

@@Kris-wo4pj No-one was pretending.

Jocat is a man who is comfortable in women's clothing. I don't think you know what you're talking about.

@@AngelusNielson so what? Apparently my original reply didn't sit well with RU-vid, so I'll simplify it. I'm a conservative Christian who is definitely right leaning politically and who has no love for the alphabet community due to personal experiences with them. That being said, as long as children are not being targeted, I don't care what someone's preferences are and support everyone's freedom of speech and expression. Just because he decided to draw his cartoon persona as an effeminate male (and whether or not he dresses the same in real life) does not mean that he should be harassed to the point of being forced to lose his livelihood. I could understand some pushback if he was targeting children with adult themes, but from what I've seen his content was aimed at a more adult audience, and the videos that were aimed at all audiences were usually very PG if not G rated. The typical audience his content is aimed at is the ttrpg or mmo community. Both should consist of teens or adults and no young children in my opinion.

@@Trollsby_Trollin "let me simplify" *Writes another overlong paragraph that rambles about my personal life while not actually addressing the topic I'm supposedly talking about* Do you write cooking blogs? ignoring your completely unrelated anecdote about a celebrity eating at a diner that you decided to include for... reasons? And your weird need to call yourself a conservative christian as if anyone cares, It seems like your position is.. being an asshole is bad? You sure said a whole lot to say so little.

@@Random_Lurker I'm sorry that you don't like reading. I'll try to keep this concise. 1: "Let me simplify," was in response to RU-vid deleting a much longer response that had even more personal anecdotes. 2: For someone who seems to comprehend my message of, "don't be an asshole," you certainly don't seem to care that you are one. And might I ask what your point is? The video was about a RU-vidr that was harassed so much that he quit RU-vid. My point is (and let me say this in a way that you may understand since you don't like reading) "Harassment Bad."

​@@Random_Lurkeryou should stick to your username

Glad to see people are finally reaching the position of "being offended by something doesn't mean anything" about a decade too late. Can't believe I used to get called "cringe" for being ahead of the curb on that.

Yeah really put me off continuing

Yeah...

The culture war being waged by the left can only ever seem to take away from women. The last time I stood up for a woman who was being bullied by these horrible people.. they got upset because she wasn't a "transwoman" and somehow that made her not.. real? People are getting dangerously embedded in their ideology and becoming violent.

Sounds like lefties eating lefties in that aspect. Didn't they do something like that to that adam guy and he had to kiss a bunch of ass.

funnily - no, sadly enough, a lot of this was from straight people who were mad that jocat was not being """masculine enough""" and being """"too gay"""" in a video about LIKING WOMEN

@@ceryxfigmenti5377 Aye. We've learned that the dating "scene" from the left is just nothing but body shaming and wanting men to be either overly masculine and be the "provider", or the simp and be the "yesman slay queen" boot licker. Or, ironically, telling men that they can't be men while screaming that men aren't being men. Dunno why it's so complicated for them.

​@@ceryxfigmenti5377 "dude! it's gay to like women that much. Not cool bro"

That sounds like a fantastic idea, how do you propose we do that?

The problem is these nutjobs dont have any money and if you take them to court they just do a GoFundMe to get the money to counter your lawsuit or to cover for the settlement.

I think it is about time to call for laws that treat any kind of doxxing and threats as a criminal act. Overall I find myself more and more open for institutions that really address this development of toxicity. I think some people need really some time off from the internet or should visit a retreat or something. I mean for real, some need therapy or some fundamental social education.

How do you take legal action against random anonymous internet trolls? If it were possible, it would already been done by now.

@Xfushion2 there's a patchwork of laws and court cases that I think vary from state to state. Why this hasn't been addressed in the last 10 years is a mystery to me.

I've seen worse.. like Paula Deen getting cancelled because over like 40 years ago she used the word "nigger" to a staff member. Then immediately people were rabid and saying how she's racist. When interviewed she said something about of course she's said it before, but she's not racist. Yet of course just because she's said that word way in the past suddenly she's not allowed on Food Network, she was sued, etc.. She got bullied and her career ended because she said a single word..

I noticed the same thing. I strongly suspect that this was done primarily by TERFs and/or alt-right weirdos.

yeah, thats basically what happened unfortunately. Is also why a lot of people are now randomly claiming that transpeople are solely responsible for this all of sudden. Frustrating, but common tactic: Do someting horrible to someone who supports trans people and then blame trans people for it.

Hyper-individualism. Goddamn. I like that one.

I don't doubt it at all. There are definitely groups that go out of their way to find in-roads to harassing people they don't like, whether it's for harmlessly poking fun at a cute video or tracking down one person's "bad take" and harassing them off the internet. I don't think you can separate that type of behavior from behavior that's encouraged when someone is on the road to being violently radicalized one way or the other, either. Like, as a queer person, my thought, from experience with these certain types of people is that the ones who went fuckstruck rabid were the ones that literally buy into the idea that being straight is 'cringe.' It started as a joke but took five minutes for people to blame everything bad in the world on "the straights" and really letting rip on anyone who might occasionally remind people that they're straight-- and not just in cute song-- anything deemed "too" heterosexual. That's my theory on the whole thing. Straight guy reminds random strangers that he's straight, random strangers with very misplaced rage issues go batshit. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of trolls do come from the conservative end of the spectrum, but holy shit there are some fucked up queer liberals.

Really? Seemed like the opposite to me. The group he associated his community with are known for finding the slightest fault in someone and calling for their cancellation and harassment. Everyone thinks it won't be them, but when mob rule determines what is right you'll always be on the chopping block eventually.

@@leonfire99 The community must feed. When they run out of obvious targets, they go looking for one. Jocat has always gotten some flak for his video for one reason or another, mostly criticism even if heated at some points; but the harassment really ramped up when he started pushing his old audience away in favour of a new community that was more ideologically pure.

don't pray for someone that supported a harassment campaign that doxxed and threatened the lives of many others

You mean like what his 'former allies' have been doing to people for years, only now to turn on him.

@@Coconut-219 I watched Discourse's video on him. I went and watched "I Like Girls." I don't care what anyone else is doing, JoCat's stuff is great work, and I'm sad to say I'm only now discovering it. His "Crap Guide to DMing" is brilliant. By the way, I like girls too.

we don't even know if it really happening most of those things tend to be fake

probably could be a 3rd party or it never happen @@Coconut-219

I commented on a vegan recipe vid that it looked delicious and I wished I could try it but the main ingredient gives me tummy troubles. I had to delete the comment because of all the people trying to call me a liar because apparently they were experts in what foods do and don't give me diarrhea.

@@paperip1996 Yepp, that's the vibe I got as well. So much anger over nothing. And the entitlement. Smh...

@@paperip1996 Like the words of the holy prophet Coolee Bravo. "You can say “I like pancakes” and somebody will say “So you hate waffles?” No bitch, that's a whole new sentence wtf is you talkin bout."

Yeah, but saddly laws and police still new in the matter of online harassing, police only gets involved once the harm was done, and honestly, what can they really do? Send a fine or jail like about 200 people for saying "you made liking girls sound gay"? A court would laugh at the situation.

Fair points, just one thing: I don't think anybody calls "being a normal acceptable person" virtue signaling. that term is usually more often attributed to the action of taking some kind of reactionary counter-cultural stance in attempt to normalize their extreme position and present it as some sort of fabricated moral supremacy for political clout and popularity. I've never seen it used to describe ACTUAL virtues.

@@Coconut-219 I entirely agree, a normal sane person would not call anything similar to this "virtue signaling." But the kinds of people who perform acts such as death threats and harassment are anything but.

JoCat committed suicide in a sense. He let them win. If he wasn't weak and just took this to the chin, he would've been fine. He gave them the validation they wanted. and yes, I AM "victim" blaming. I don't care what names I will be getting called because I am not a weak person and I will take it with a grain of salt, names are only names and cannot hurt at the end of the day. Come find my address, IP, all of my info, become the type of people you hate.

@@SilverFang95 So much edgelord cringe

@@SilverFang95 ...All edge no point spotted.

Even ignoring the fact there's nothing wrong with being gay, isn't he literally engaged to a girl?

@@ProjectEkerTest33 You are asking people on the internet to follow logic.

"Hey fellas, is it gay to like girls?"

@@ProjectEkerTest33 redpillers and incels dont like it when ya talk about how much ya love girls they hate girls so much and dont like other men who say "nah theyre great have ya seen them".

i would argue that the first two groups were much of the same as the third group, though they just cared more about optics. None of these people genuinely cared about women here or something.

Yeah. "The D&D community" has a problem with people not wanting to hear opposing thoughts. Definitely just the D&D community, the rest of the world is safe from this, luckily.

Try delicious and dungeon

I see 2024 as season 2 of Earth, lots of shit (especially rn with jocat quiting) but it has some good moments

i sure some of the huge names like unbox ltt critical role etc hire moderators they just dont advertise it

I think you seriously overestimate how much the average creator makes. Aside from the tiny percentage who become huge names, most of us are still just barely making rent and bills or at best just enough to hire an assistant of some kind to help us speed up production. Meanwhile you could have an entire team working overtime and still not keep up with all the comments.

@@aurhiaseelund I did say I didn't know how expensive it was, and you don't have to keep up with every single comment, if the creator just avoids reading their comments section/twitter replies/etc they can get one person to skim them for relevant stuff. Wouldn't be optimal but it's one way to do it.

Labor is the highest cost, this is hundreds of dollars minimum per month for a job like this parttime. Most creators that do this fulltime can't miss hundreds of dollars a month.

thats gotta be a shitty job but similar stuff does exist i think

"people"

It always strikes me as weird that someone will take time out of their day to go to someone they don't like and spend time/money/effort just to say they don't like them. The Karen life is real. If the person isn't breaking the law and isn't forcing you or your family to do things, then change the "channel" and piss off. Maybe channel that energy into making yourself better.

@@DarthPoyner even if someone is breaking the law, they should mind their own business tbh

he crossed those lines first when he supported a harassment campaign over a video game

@@Chaplain_Asmodai that's unrelated. Even if he had a braindead take, that doesn't have any bearing on this.

@@fettbub92 And to my knowledge is also a false statement, the guy that responded to you is spewing this shit in most comment chains (and apparently some single comments too) and is not the only one. I didn't manage to find ANYTHING that supports that statement and when he's asked for a source he just doesn't answer (at least for now). So yeah, it wouldn't have justified anything, but I find that trying to tarnish the image of a sweet guy such as JoCat when he's a victim of harassment, is part of the harassment itself >.

he supported the harassment campaign against streamers playing a video game, he's scum wearing a mask

Him supporting the harassment campaign of Pikamee is NOT A GOOD PERSON. he pandered to the piranhas and then got ate alive. Pure Karmic Retribution.

or anyone that supports the lbgt@@snintendog

Dark and bitter, 99% cocoa solids? 😃👍

@@euansmith3699 😄😄😄😇

I expect nothing different from the "party of love and tolerance" after so many years they've been doing this - I'm just surprised that it was somebody who'd I have thought was part of their protected class.

@@Coconut-219 Cannibalizing their own people pretty par for the course with them. You either die a hero or live long enough to have everyone turn on you and get told that you were always terrible.