favourite ever clough moment was when they were losing to Dynamo Berlin in the Quarter Finals in 1980 and he gets interviewed after the first leg and says "no one should even think to write us off" and just looks at the camera with that amused smile of his as if to say "go on write us off, please write us off" course we all know how that one ended.
To sack the old dear for no reason was petty and cruel, and a breach of employment law. Clough wouldn't have done that in real life, hence why they deleted it..
Nah. Clough’s successes rested upon having people who were all-subservient to him. He could accommodate the odd big character to act as a lieutenant, but he persistently belittled even his main players. When players had little power that was sustainable at club level, but international players wouldn’t stand for it; they would simply make themselves unavailable and wouldn’t have the same loyalty to him. England’s true lost genius was Bob Paisley.
@@giovanni6636I highly doubt, this happened but it makes the point that Clough did not like Revie. And didn't want any association with him. This represents the resentment and hatred for Leeds
ive been searching for this ; as am sure i saw it on film when it first came out - but its not on my DVD = ditto the scene where he meets Duncan McKenize at the hotel he's staying at (Midland hotel ?)
At 1:17 "I wouldnt want to get off on the wrong foot" He was hinting to her and she carried on with the snotty attitude. She failed. Only thing she got right was refering to him as Mr Clough.
He would have respected her more if she’d immediately shown her willingness to abandon all old ties and loyalty, and get rid of every hint of a man who had been her friend for 13 years? A power flex, no more no less.
@@ronb5714 Never the less she got off on the wrong foot from the moment she stood at the door watching him. She was an employee of Leeds United AFC and her job was to serve Cloughy. She should have knocked on. Introduced her self and tell him abit about what she does and she would probably have not been booted out.
John McGovern said in a documentary once that Clough "wasn't his type of man, the type he'd go for a pint with, but he'd walk across the Sahara to work for him." That's a believable take on a guy who had a lot of character flaws for all his genius. This, however, is a load of absolute bollocks.
Regardless of whether this scene took place or not…..which is so bizarre that I seriously doubt it ever did! Cloughie’s failure at Leeds was almost certainly helped by him being so consumed in his rivalry with Revie!
it's a dramatisation - i doubt he'd be able to get rid of a member of admin staff either; it's all showing the loathing. To be fair, Clough had a point....
An old Hollywood lawyer called Fred Leopold put it best. "If you have real people as characters, they can have lattes and muffins but they can't say, 'Let's go for a f*ck in the bushes.'"
@@wroot1 Well, f'ing a work colleague within working hours and on the premises, even consensually, is disreputable behaviour. So unless it happened beyond doubt, you open yourself to legal action if you invent such a scenario, or even if you exaggerate a real-life situation to make it seem as if they did. However, having lattes and muffins at work, whether or not they had any taste for them, or whether or not they could or should have consumed them, is not classed as disreputable behaviour and any legal action over this would backfire. In this situation, sacking a secretary still loyal to the old boss may not be disreputable but taking it out on the furniture is a little strange. So, if it didn't happen or is an exaggeration of what did happen, they should leave it out- at least, if Clough were still alive, which he isn't.
Stuart Pierce was playing for Nottingham Forest and one game suffered a head injury. The physio told Brian Clough that he would have to be subbed because he was so concussed he didn't know who he was. Clough told the physio. "Tell him he's Pele and send him back on". 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That was John Lambie, the manager of Partick Thistle, talking about his striker Colin McGlashan. Why would any manager tell a concussed full back that he was a striker?
This scene is pathetic, Clough absolutely did not act like this. That book is so full of outrageous lies and Johnny Giles (no friend of Clough's) rightly sued the author and won damages.
@@TheStockportHatter1986 the burning of Don Revies desk. Nor the snub where revie refused to shake Clough hand at beginning of the amongst the other historical inaccuracies in the film. The one positive was Michael Sheen portrayal of cloughie in the movie.
You either love Clough and the cult of personality fostered by him and his supporters or you hated him. I have aupported Leeds since i was a kid im 54 now. I hear he vocie , i hear or read thsie who love or loved him but i aint one. This night be the Damned United but its ours and i say Damn Clough.
the book covers the Derby side of things and alternates between chapters. Got to say though this movie/book doesn't serve Clough, Leeds, Forest, Revie, or Derby the way it deserves.
I'm glad it wasn't just me then.I was watching it before reading the comments and i couldn't for the life of me remember this scene in the film.I really had a shiver down my spine thinking my long term memory was going!!! It's a pity they edited out this scene in the final production as it helps in the understanding of the character of the man.
Because it's Leeds United & it was full of dirty little b's just like Don Revie liked it. My understanding is Don liked to lap up the players before training & after training it lead to some very sticky situations but Don was the man with the mouth for the job I understand he was extremely hands on aswell he liked to get a grip of his players. But Cloughy that was not his style he would rather have a cup of tea them but you in the balls.
@@owens164I watched a video not long ago of Clough refusing to let the Leeds players have their complimentary cars. Be nice see a few more if there is any
If anyone knows the facts this never happend and was in the book and everyone at the time even nigel said that didnt happen and is fiction even a the leeds player said what was put in that book was wrong
I remember his first European final, he took ten players off and only left me on. Went on to win it!…….that didn't happen did it? I get this type of thing going on in my head all the time. Anyhoo must dash, i have a gunfight at noon in the town centre.
Why don't film producers do their research properly. The desk burning never happened. It portrays nothing but disrespect to a great man. This film was awful in rotten tomatoes I would give it 10/10. The book was even worse, full of lies.
One of the Brian Clough documentary go into detail about the Dammed United especially the book. The book was originally written and was sued by I think pretty much everyone even the former Leeds players backed Brian, the books portrayl was horrific so when they made the film yeah they kept some bits in for the drama but apparently they had to reassure the Clough family it was going to distance itself from the book as much as they could. Either way I wish it made it alot clearer how fiction this is and it no way portrays the story accurately
I would say it’s good that they cut this out but it’s quite shocking that they even filmed it in the first place. Not only did it simply not happen, but it paints Clough as a deranged man. He was many things and he was extremely tough on his players but not towards regular staff at the club or any other walk of life and as incredibly ambitious as he was, he wasn’t a lunatic.
"fiction based on fact" is the most egregiously dishonest art form. By mixing truth in with lies the audience or some of it will accept the full package.
I enjoyed this film but its a pity that, just like the book, it is 90% bullshit... even jonny Giles defends clough from this movie/book and clough stole his job 😂😂😂
It was a marriage made in hell .As much as I like Clough the burning of the desk in the car park was not rational nor smart .Clough wad insecure without Taylor and that contributed greatly to his downfall
Clough never burnt the desk. Complete fiction in the warped head of David Peace. Both Johnny Giles and Dave Mackay successfully sued Peace. Had Clough, Revie and Billy Bremner been alive at the time of the books release, they could have done the same and won easily.That scene was cut from the film. There's a reason for that......
he never burnt the desk! in any car park? Im surprised if you are a fan of Clough you would surely make it your business to know this movie is shite based fiction? and Talyor joined him afterwards at Forest for their most spectacular era.
Might be in the minority but i don't like Sheens portrayal of Clough which is total arrogance without the charm and charisma that Clough had and i can't believe he would have behaved this way to this woman
