"The Date of Christmas" by Father Panayiotis, Ph.D.

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The date of the birth of Jesus Christ has been talked about often. How accurate is the date of December 25th? In the following video, Fr. Panayiotis presents an overview of the debate and comes to some conclusions based on historical and biblical perspectives while also describing the available evidence.
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@sophrapsune 5 лет назад

Is there anything that St John Chrysostom didn’t do? He is worth a video in himself. Thanks so much for this open and transparent review of the sources.

@MD.orion1 Год назад

He surely sounds like St John was his time's ecumenist

@BaikalTii Год назад

@@MD.orion1 in the 4th century the one true Church was still winnowing out heresies and establishing dogma. Ecumenism was not a thing.

@Peter_Crow 6 месяцев назад

Thank you so much for this talk

@orthodoxrocks9644 2 года назад

Excellent teaching Fr. Pananyiotis!! It covered everything; the pagan holiday and various theories about the addition of the shepherds and angles times and seasons!! As I was listening and meditating on the teaching I couldn't help but remember that according to Holy Tradition the devil has ALWAYS try to counterfeit what is to come in God's Self Revelation. This was spoken of by The Lord Himself in Gen. 3. "I will put enmity between you and The Woman, and between your seed and Her Seed. He shall bruise your head and you shall be on guard for His Heel."-Gen. 3:15 And so we can notice in subsequent years and centuries right up until the Blessed Incarnation satan's attempt to convolute the Story of Redemption. The enemy moved through Pharoah in the edict to kill all the infants that were male to try to destroy Moses. The enemy under Herod did the same thing when Christ was an infant. So then, is it any wonder that the enemy would deceive a particular people group to worship apotheothize the sun around the same time Christ was born? No!! Not one bit!! God be Magnified no one can stand or thwart God's Plan of Salvation!! Amen!! The earth is being filled with the Knowledge of The Glory of The Lord as the waters cover the seas!!"-Habakuk 2:14. Restoration is happening and Creation is being brought back to God. Everything! Amen!! A blessed Nativity and Merry Christmas to all!! Amen!!

@PeterBovat Год назад

Thank you for this video. This is meat in due season for me! I'm a recent Orthodox convert, I grew up a JW, converted to the Hebrew Roots Movement/Messianic Judaism, and was totally swept up into the Dec 25th is paganism and Yeshua's (Jesus's) true birthday was during Sukkot/Feast of Tabernacles in Sept or Oct. This info here presented is truly mind blowing for me. Answers allot of questions. I'm going to have to watch it multiple times. God bless. Christ is born! ☦️

@paulwilliams9207 4 года назад

Really fascinating! Thank you Fr Panayiotis. St John Chrysostom, pray for us. God bless 💙💙💙💙🙏🙏🙏

@Trisagionfilms 4 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@mihaimarinescu88 5 лет назад

Besides the historical evidence, there is nothing wrong with pointing out the symbolism of the winter solstice- which St Gregory of Nyssa actually does in his Homily on the feast of the Nativity. The winter solstice is recognized in many religions as the most beneficial time of the year, the moment when the descending movement of the Sun is halted and the ascending cycle begins- with a gradual victory for light over darkness. So the Son of God is born when darkness engulfed the world and seemed triumphant and through His Birth, the victory of the true Light of God begins. If we understand natural symbolism and we understand that certain significances of this symbolism were understood by pre-Christian peoples as well, then there is nothing surprising that the pagans also held this date in honor, although from a merely naturalistic reason. As always, Christianity transfigures both nature and the old law, raising them to an entirely new level.

@fisherstrong6 5 лет назад

Mihai Marinescu Great explanation! I spend a lot of time trying to explain such things to my brethren Who believe in the pagan origins fallacy.

@ivygarcia9525 4 года назад

Excellent point! Thank you

@thefremddingeguy6058 4 года назад

Good point! Well, that's less applicable in the southern hemisphere, where the December solstice is actually the summer solstice. But the symbolism behind the establishment of the date still is neat to know about.

@palikariatl 2 года назад

@@thefremddingeguy6058, we’ll Christianity was born and existed most of its history in the Northern Hemisphere.

@milkamustakylytar5204 5 лет назад

B a s i m a . 1 marginal note, regarding the farming in historical times : even here at Finland, all husbandry animals were kept outdoors all around year. it was perhaps only 500 - 600 years ago, when people started to build first separate shelters also to their husbandry animals. - at least, in Finland's area. [ solid-housing-people started to move here from south, perhaps ~1000-1500 years ago? ] [[ at Scandinavia, we still have at least one live-proof about that outdoor-breeding : at Norway, there is still living a wild-sheep: middle of stormy snows! ]]

@jesus.christis.lord.foreve899 Год назад

♡ i am grateful for this sermon thank you

@nancyincanada5553 2 года назад

At my parish, Christmas on Dec. 25th is not recognized. This is something I've struggled with and prayed for answers. God in His mercy has given me the answer in this homily. Thank you, Fr. Panayiotis, these answers have brought great peace. Blessed Christmas.

@TsaristCossack 2 года назад

Have you considered looking into Orthodoxy

@ht7461 5 лет назад

Respected Sir, outstanding discourse! Superb conclusion, Christmas 25th Dec, if not many of us would probably have to buy 2x gifts... Thank you very much!

@buster2188 5 лет назад

God bless you Father.

@stevepa999 6 месяцев назад

During the time of Christ's birth was a period known as the Roman Warm Period, when temperatures were two degrees warmer than today. If people do not believe me, do an internet search for Roman Warm Period.

@ApolloLeRoux 2 года назад

Anyone else watching this around Christmas time?

@tallmikbcroft6937 Год назад

Bless us Father. Thank you for this. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge.

@ianp.7536 3 года назад

Thank you Fr. for this blessed teaching...Prayers for you all during this Nativity Season.

@GCOUNDOU 5 лет назад

Bravo... great scholarship and explanation. Thank you Pater!

@patrickhartnett7253 5 лет назад

Very informative video, 10,000 thank yous

@francisfernandes4609 2 года назад

🙏🙏🙏. Merry Christmas Brother in Jesus Christ.

@roberthambly9926 6 месяцев назад

Outstanding!

@rastamish2192 2 года назад

Give Thanks 🙏

@peacepage 5 лет назад

We celebrate on 7th of January

@palikariatl 2 года назад

You celebrate on 25 December. For you and all of us using the traditional Patristic calendar, we celebrate Christmas on 25 December on our calendar, while the New/Papist/Civil calendar says 07 January.

@thattimestampguy Год назад

0:00 The Birth of Christ 1:01 2 Pieces of Evidence that Christ was Not Born on December 25th 1. Luke Chapter 2, Verse 8 3:44 2. Ancient Pagans celebrate on December 25 4:43 Where do we go? When was The Feast of Christmas 1st celebrated? Rome 336 AD 5:19 St. John Chrysostom in Antioch presents New Testament Evidence 6:12 Luke Chapter 2 Verse 1-7 6:58 Entering The Holy of Holies during The Feast of the Tabernacle in December 8:55 9 months from March is … December. 9:18 Biblically And Historically Based 10:17 Birth of The Son of God 11:06 Christmas Unites Us All In The One Faith

@tessalogan586 4 года назад

Jesus was born at midnight 6th of January.🙏

@Trisagionfilms 4 года назад

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@SonuYadav-hd5qk 4 года назад

Amen

@SonuYadav-hd5qk 4 года назад

Jesus " lamb of God".

@hermitruben4032 3 года назад

From Misión Cruz Hermitage in Somerset, Texas. Blessings

@Muself2 6 месяцев назад

The fact Saint Chrysostom didn't mention the choice of the date was made to replace a pagan feast is a proof that the calendar identity between the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ and the pagan feast was arranged by the providence

@benboulet1724 Год назад

Israel has weather similar to Florida you get hot days and cold days throughout December and January

@anthonyboneta 5 лет назад

the early Church celebrated the Nativity on the Julian Calendar on January 7th

@anthonyboneta 5 лет назад

December 25 on the Julian calendar actually falls on January 7 on the Gregorian calendar. So strictly speaking, Christmas is still kept on December 25, which just happens to fall 13 days later on the Julian calendar

@joshua_finch 4 года назад

perakole you are missing Anthony's point about how two calendars line up. Notice that you speak of events pertaining to one calendar.

@ivygarcia9525 4 года назад

perakole thank you that is an excellent point!

@leem3299 3 года назад

When you say "early church", you mean after 300 ad, right? No evidence the early church (before 300 ad) celebrated Christmas at all, right?

@jairiske 2 года назад

They didn't celebrate it that far because December 25th on the julian calendar wasn't out of sync yet.

@paulhudson4254 Год назад

The cross, tomb, resurrection on the 3rd day, ascension, awaits the second coming! Date of Christmas? Don’t really know, don’t matter! My faith is in the event as a whole! 🌺☦️🌺

@alexk2675 5 лет назад

Where can I read these writings of Saint John Chrysostom, particularly those around the 6 minute mark onwards? Do you have a link to this? Thank you.

@Trisagionfilms 3 года назад

There is no English translation that I know of. Fr. Panayiotis worked from the original Greek text.

@palikariatl 2 года назад

@@Trisagionfilms What is the original Greek text, for those of us who can read Greek??

@lornadoone8887 6 месяцев назад

I had read Emperor Julian the Apostate instituted the Pagan feast to obscure the Feast of the Nativity that had already been established by then because he was trying to erase Christianity from the Empire. I do not know the source for this, unfortunately.

@maureen348 Год назад

Here in the UK the King or Queen has a private birthday on the day they were born, celebrated with family privately and a public birthday with a 25 gun salute and marching bands ect.

@jamesm5462 4 года назад

Catholics celebrate the Feast of the Annunciation on March 25. Go figure after 9 month. St John Chrys' "observation" was not that far from faith and logic.

@truantj 3 года назад

Does anyone know where I can find the text for John Chrysostom's sermon on the date of Christmas?

@Trisagionfilms 3 года назад

There is no English translation that I know of. Fr. Panayiotis worked from the original Greek text.

@truantj Год назад

@@Trisagionfilms where can we find the original Greek text?

@7csstone541 4 года назад

Its the on 7th

@Trisagionfilms 4 года назад

Which is December 25th according to the Julian calendar

@7csstone541 4 года назад

@@Trisagionfilms ooo sorry then i must not have paid enough attention. thanks for that information and for your channel ! Give thanks for life

@Trisagionfilms 4 года назад

I am not sure if Fr. Panayioti mentions that specifically but I am sure he realises that finer point. (its been a while since I've listened to the video haha)

@paulhudson4254 Год назад

December 25, January 7, or April 15? Who cares, Jesus arrived and the world will never be the same! Free, just BELIEVE...✝️

@konnorporter5115 2 года назад

Interesting tidbit: His math is a bit wrong, but it still comes out right. "In the sixth month" means 5 months have passed, putting Gabrielle's visit to late february, early march. A pregnancy lasts almost 10 months putting the birth of Jesus around the end of December. (p.s. the reason people think a pregnancy lasts 9 months is because it usually takes a month for a woman to realize she is with child)

@Katholikos78 2 года назад

No. 9 solar months, 10 lunar months.

@adeedas 4 года назад

Whenever Christ was born, I think December/January is a good time to celebrate the Birth of Christ, because He is the Light in the midst of darkness! (Isaiah 60) However I wonder about a few things concerning St. Chrysostom's interpretation: Luke 1 it does not say that Zacharias was (loted) HIGH Priest nor that he was minstering in the Holy of Holies - it only says he was priest and offered incense at the altar in the Temple. As far as I know, all priests did that any time of the year (please correct me if i'm wrong), so it was not necessarily the Day of Atonement (around September).